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2014-03-31 07:34:47 PM

BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).



Bless  your heart.
 
2014-03-31 07:43:15 PM

BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).


thank you BSABSVR but what i really want to know (and i should have been more specific) is what rights have been taken away (or even threatened to be taken away for that matter).

and i had to google the Fudds because you sparked my interest in that & found the following Urban Dictionary meaning;
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.
 
2014-03-31 07:46:01 PM
Cannot wait for November.
 
2014-03-31 07:51:21 PM

Dr Dreidel: We do not make threats, we do not tell people to prepare for war, nor do we sell bumper stickers that proclaim 'BALLOTS or BULLETS'

If only, Thomas King. If only.

// what's the opposite of painting with a broad brush?
// not quite "No True Scotsman", but along that line


Splitting hairs?
 
2014-03-31 07:58:35 PM

Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.



I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.
 
2014-03-31 08:06:49 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.


I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?
 
2014-03-31 08:11:01 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?



Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.
 
2014-03-31 08:14:59 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?


Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.


I acknowledge and support that right but i don't go around starting arguments over who owns guns and why.
typically, you 2nd Amendment nutters are just that! proudly displaying your firearms while proclaiming "they're comin't take'em!" which is silly.
(now we move the goal posts and claim that some regulation is an infringement upon your constitutional rights!, you see? crazy.)
 
2014-03-31 08:15:21 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?



Such as certain portions of the New York "SAFE" Act.

One example:

Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013.[8][9] Originally the law allowed only seven rounds to be loaded into a magazine, but this provision was struck down by a federal judge on December 21, 2013.[10]
 
2014-03-31 08:16:55 PM

Isitoveryet: (now we move the goal posts and claim that some regulation is an infringement upon your constitutional rights!, you see? crazy.)



Oh..."some regulation".  By all means....tell me which regulations I should accept?
 
2014-03-31 08:17:21 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?


Such as certain portions of the New York "SAFE" Act.

One example:

Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013.[8][9] Originally the law allowed only seven rounds to be loaded into a magazine, but this provision was struck down by a federal judge on December 21, 2013.[10]


listen Sponge, i like you (based on your profile page) and i've supported your 2nd amendment arguments in gun threads in the past BUT i knew you were going to take it in this direction.

can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?
 
2014-03-31 08:19:05 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: (now we move the goal posts and claim that some regulation is an infringement upon your constitutional rights!, you see? crazy.)


Oh..."some regulation".  By all means....tell me which regulations I should accept?


pretty interesting how i was able to foresee the future like that huh? all without the use of my assault Glock.
 
2014-03-31 08:22:17 PM

Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?



I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.
 
2014-03-31 08:26:24 PM
And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.
 
2014-03-31 08:42:36 PM
I don't blame the NRA for staying out of New York. Those anti-gun politicians are busy trafficking guns from terrorists and putting them in the hands of Asian gangbangers. Dangerous territory to be in without your own firearm.
 
2014-03-31 08:52:33 PM

The_Sponge: but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.


That's all well and good - no seriously, I mean that. But how do you square that with the fact that most politicians who actively listen to such lobbyist groups that "support your rights" vis a vis firearms are trying desperately to take away even more fundamental rights of a good chunk of other Americans, yourself included in some cases? Because, let's just go through some examples. The politicians who are most favored by gun lobbying groups, such as the NRA, tend to be rather conservative, and typically Republican. Those same politicians, above and beyond their nigh-universal rejection of restrictions on firearm ownership (which is truly a debatable subject where the many sides have valid points to make, I believe), also tend to align themselves thusly:

-Preventing the recognition of same sex marriage, thereby prevents hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions, of Americans from enjoying some pretty simple rights and freedoms that most others take for granted, including (but not limited to) visiting sick/dying partner in the hospital, and tax breaks (which could help stimulate the economy if those couples could get the benefits of filing jointly)
-Bans on abortion and contraceptives for women, thereby preventing the rights of tens of millions of women from having the choice about how to govern her body; in many cases a husband or boyfriend is involved too, thereby preventing him from enjoying those same rights about family planning
-Massive support for various hurdles and restrictions on voting - the most basic of civic rights - that have the planned effects on impeding also tens of millions of citizens in the lower socioeconomic brackets from being able to voice their opinion about who should lead the country
-Anti-regulatory stances supported by the bulk of the "pro gun-rights" politicians have resulted in countless environmental disasters that have affected both the entire stability of the natural world and the health and livelihoods of millions of Americans who just want to be able to drink clean water and breath safe air, or, you know, work at a place that won't kill them when it blows up around them because no one has bothered to inspect all the pipes in over two or three decades
-Trying, very hard, nearly 50 times, to deny tens of millions of Americans access to affordable healthcare, which gets at the very first part of the big three in the Declaration of Independent (i.e., "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness")
-Massive amounts of outsourcing by companies that is supported by them, that take jobs away from the United States to places like China and India that exploit essentially slave-labor, because lobbyists for those companies managed to shovel a few extra bucks into those politicians' pockets
-Rampant support that those politicians have given to the Citizens United ruling, which gives a vastly disproportionate amount of political clout to an almost absurd minority of alleged "people" by taking it away from nearly every other individual adult citizen in this country
-Almost universal rejection of most fundamental scientific conclusions, including the teaching of evolution in science classes, instead favoring a very narrow and select religious dogma that is totally and completely unsupported by any set of empirical data to be forced onto the minds of children and teenagers

So, honestly, I am completely and totally in support of firearm rights. I am for commonsense regulation when necessary, and I acknowledge that some regulations and policies that currently exist are not only stupid, but ineffective and need to be rescinded. But, on the other hand, when I have to weigh the pros and cons... yea, I think we're better off, generally speaking, as a country, with the political party that may be a little moonbatty about gun restrictions on occasion, but isn't f*cking evil on damn near every other topic of equal or greater importance. I want to know, truly I am curious, how you can square those things away. Because, me? I can't support the NRA or similar groups because I know the types of politicians they tend to support are simply f*cking wrong for keeping American a f*cking amazing country to live in. I'm willing to make a tiny sacrifice to one of my rights if it means preventing me sacrificing half a dozen or more other rights, and preventing people I care about from losing (or never gaining) enough rights to even remotely be considered equal.
 
2014-03-31 08:53:52 PM

Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).

thank you BSABSVR but what i really want to know (and i should have been more specific) is what rights have been taken away (or even threatened to be taken away for that matter).

and i had to google the Fudds because you sparked my interest in that & found the following Urban Dictionary meaning;
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I always heard Fudd used as a jackass who shouldn't own a gun. Someone who disregards safety and always want to wave the damn thing around.

The exact opposite of what the definition you quoted said.
 
2014-03-31 08:55:53 PM

Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be


I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NRA any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.
 
2014-03-31 08:56:55 PM

Turbo Cojones: I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says "My ObamaCare: Molon labe"You have never seen so much head scratchin' as when I pull into one of the redneck places that I frequent.


Pretty funny.  I have pre-existing conditions and was without insurance for all of 2011 because of them.  Bans on pre-existing condition clauses couldn't get here soon enough for me.
 
2014-03-31 08:58:06 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?


Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.


Actually, I'd say, in terms of important amendments, the 2nd is near the bottom. It was added mostly because America didn't have (and the Founders didn't want) a standing army, so well-armed, well-regulated militia was necessary for defense. Once a standing army was formed, that interpretation became obsolete, and not long after, the 'defense against tyrants' reasoning became obsolete as well, as the military's capabilities rocketed ahead of anything civilians can conceivably muster.
 
2014-03-31 09:00:29 PM
Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.
 
2014-03-31 09:07:16 PM

jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.


Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.
 
2014-03-31 09:07:44 PM

syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.


I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.
 
2014-03-31 09:08:52 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.


Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.
 
2014-03-31 09:11:30 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).

thank you BSABSVR but what i really want to know (and i should have been more specific) is what rights have been taken away (or even threatened to be taken away for that matter).

and i had to google the Fudds because you sparked my interest in that & found the following Urban Dictionary meaning;
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.

I always heard Fudd used as a jackass who shouldn't own a gun. Someone who disregards safety and always want to wave the damn thing around.

The exact opposite of what the definition you quoted said.


You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.
 
2014-03-31 09:13:54 PM

Kome: The_Sponge: but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

That's all well and good - no seriously, I mean that. But how do you square that with the fact that most politicians who actively listen to such lobbyist groups that "support your rights" vis a vis firearms are trying desperately to take away even more fundamental rights of a good chunk of other Americans, yourself included in some cases? Because, let's just go through some examples. The politicians who are most favored by gun lobbying groups, such as the NRA, tend to be rather conservative, and typically Republican. Those same politicians, above and beyond their nigh-universal rejection of restrictions on firearm ownership (which is truly a debatable subject where the many sides have valid points to make, I believe), also tend to align themselves thusly:

-Preventing the recognition of same sex marriage, thereby prevents hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions, of Americans from enjoying some pretty simple rights and freedoms that most others take for granted, including (but not limited to) visiting sick/dying partner in the hospital, and tax breaks (which could help stimulate the economy if those couples could get the benefits of filing jointly)
-Bans on abortion and contraceptives for women, thereby preventing the rights of tens of millions of women from having the choice about how to govern her body; in many cases a husband or boyfriend is involved too, thereby preventing him from enjoying those same rights about family planning
-Massive support for various hurdles and restrictions on voting - the most basic of civic rights - that have the planned effects on impeding also tens of millions of citizens in the lower socioeconomic brackets from being able to voice their opinion about who should lead the country
-Anti-regulatory stances supported by the bulk of the "pro gun-rights" politicians have resulted in countless environmental disasters that have affected both the entire stability of the natural world and the health and livelihoods of millions of Americans who just want to be able to drink clean water and breath safe air, or, you know, work at a place that won't kill them when it blows up around them because no one has bothered to inspect all the pipes in over two or three decades
-Trying, very hard, nearly 50 times, to deny tens of millions of Americans access to affordable healthcare, which gets at the very first part of the big three in the Declaration of Independent (i.e., "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness")
-Massive amounts of outsourcing by companies that is supported by them, that take jobs away from the United States to places like China and India that exploit essentially slave-labor, because lobbyists for those companies managed to shovel a few extra bucks into those politicians' pockets
-Rampant support that those politicians have given to the Citizens United ruling, which gives a vastly disproportionate amount of political clout to an almost absurd minority of alleged "people" by taking it away from nearly every other individual adult citizen in this country
-Almost universal rejection of most fundamental scientific conclusions, including the teaching of evolution in science classes, instead favoring a very narrow and select religious dogma that is totally and completely unsupported by any set of empirical data to be forced onto the minds of children and teenagers

So, honestly, I am completely and totally in support of firearm rights. I am for commonsense regulation when necessary, and I acknowledge that some regulations and policies that currently exist are not only stupid, but ineffective and need to be rescinded. But, on the other hand, when I have to weigh the pros and cons... yea, I think we're better off, generally speaking, as a country, with the political party that may be a little moonbatty about gun restrictions on occasion, but isn't f*cking evil on damn near every other topic of equal or greater importance. I want to know, truly I am curious, how you can square those things away. Because, me? I can't support the NRA or similar groups because I know the types of politicians they tend to support are simply f*cking wrong for keeping American a f*cking amazing country to live in. I'm willing to make a tiny sacrifice to one of my rights if it means preventing me sacrificing half a dozen or more other rights, and preventing people I care about from losing (or never gaining) enough rights to even remotely be considered equal.


Vote libertarian
 
2014-03-31 09:15:03 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.


Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.
 
2014-03-31 09:15:47 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.


2014 has been fantastic for CA gun owners. The entire state is getting cleansed.
 
2014-03-31 09:16:10 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: The NRA is insignificant compared to the amount of quiet people who own guns and keep it to ourselves. If you feel the need to put an NRA sticker on your truck, I am truly sorry about your penis. Really.


So much THIS.
 
2014-03-31 09:18:27 PM

tripleseven: syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.

I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.


I don't get the open-carry thing - it's totally counterintuitive to me. I've always been a strict devotee of the "keep it safe, keep it hidden, keep it secret" school of carrying.
For one thing, I don't carry unless I feel it's absolutely necessary - and I have mercifully gone a few decades since I've been in such circumstances. And on those precious few occasions, the LAST thing I have wanted was for anybody else to know I was armed.
It just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
 
2014-03-31 09:20:03 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.


I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.
 
2014-03-31 09:22:10 PM

jso2897: tripleseven: syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.

I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.

I don't get the open-carry thing - it's totally counterintuitive to me. I've always been a strict devotee of the "keep it safe, keep it hidden, keep it secret" school of carrying.
For one thing, I don't carry unless I feel it's absolutely necessary - and I have mercifully gone a few decades since I've been in such circumstances. And on those precious few occasions, the LAST thing I have wanted was for anybody else to know I was armed.
It just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.


Intimidation, that's the only thing I can think of. The same reason black guys go around pantless.
 
2014-03-31 09:26:19 PM
He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.
 
2014-03-31 09:27:00 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.


Me either nor anyone I know.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong :/
 
2014-03-31 09:27:44 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.


And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?
 
2014-03-31 09:28:41 PM

centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.


Knives, fancy toothpicks.
 
2014-03-31 09:35:34 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?


I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.
 
2014-03-31 09:38:09 PM
i see that a certain pony in this thread has almost completely performed his trick.
 
2014-03-31 09:41:06 PM

The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.


I also want to acknowledge that mental health is not something to be made fun of & that is not my intent.

I use the term nutter because enthusiast doesn't quite capture the emotional tenet of the topic.
 
2014-03-31 09:42:18 PM

Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.


Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.
 
2014-03-31 09:44:18 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.

I also want to acknowledge that mental health is not something to be made fun of & that is not my intent.

I use the term nutter because enthusiast doesn't quite capture the emotional tenet of the topic.


No harm done.
 
2014-03-31 09:45:20 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.

Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.


....your mom's f*ck buddy.
 
2014-03-31 09:47:25 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.


And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?
 
2014-03-31 09:48:33 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.

Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.

....your mom's f*ck buddy.


Which one? That tells me nothing.
 
2014-03-31 09:49:56 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.


My opinion is that the NRA exists today solely to line their pockets under the guise of constitutional proclivity & sure, promote the sales of guns in as many states as possible to as many people as possible.
 
2014-03-31 09:50:04 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.

Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.

....your mom's f*ck buddy.

Which one? That tells me nothing.


Hahaha! Eh....you're okay.
 
2014-03-31 09:51:48 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?


Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.
 
2014-03-31 09:53:00 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.


So adults who don't like California's gun laws are either lunatics, criminals, or immature? Come on.

Besides, look what happened to owners of once-legal certain model SKS rifles who had them taken away.
 
2014-03-31 09:56:14 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?

Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.


Why is it so bad if somebody.....with a clean criminal background....wants to own a semi-auto rifle with 30 round mags?
 
2014-03-31 09:58:04 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

So adults who don't like California's gun laws are either lunatics, criminals, or immature? Come on.


Look - if you are going to put words in my mouth, there's no point in my even being here. I didn't say anything remotely like that, and your sense of persecution is starting to get on my nerves. I am not the enemy. There probably isn't one.
 
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