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2014-03-31 03:35:04 PM
i970.photobucket.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-31 03:43:59 PM
Considering the sort of people who join the NRA I wouldn't want to be associate with them either.  They already threaten to kill people at the drop of a hat.


thumbs3.ebaystatic.com
 
2014-03-31 04:03:49 PM
Wonder how he'd handle a Fark forum?
 
2014-03-31 04:31:58 PM

reprobate1125: Wonder how he'd handle a Fark forum?


He wouldn't.
 
2014-03-31 04:36:10 PM

2wolves: reprobate1125: Wonder how he'd handle a Fark forum?

He wouldn't.


True. A lot of posters can really hurt the delicate sensitivities of those fragile NRA members who need constant reassurance that they're manly men.
 
2014-03-31 04:36:40 PM
Wild speculation -- he's thinking the potential for embarrassment is going to be too high for comfort. Maybe, in the process of trying to get stuff done with legislators or in the courts, he's had to spend too much time disassociating himself from things that were said at certain events. If he doesn't attend an event where controversy ensues, he won't need to explain anything away.
 
2014-03-31 04:36:46 PM
Pussies. Every single one of them.
 
2014-03-31 04:45:42 PM
i57.tinypic.com

Skelos?
 
2014-03-31 04:53:08 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-03-31 04:55:15 PM
What's he scared of? He'll have a gun or two with him, he'll be safe.
 
2014-03-31 04:56:42 PM
LOL

+1 Subby, would read again.
 
2014-03-31 04:57:34 PM
images.sodahead.com
 
2014-03-31 05:00:59 PM
Originally designed as NRA strength Depends.

www.vamworld.com
 
2014-03-31 05:02:09 PM
We do not make threats, we do not tell people to prepare for war, nor do we sell bumper stickers that proclaim 'BALLOTS or BULLETS'

If only, Thomas King. If only.

// what's the opposite of painting with a broad brush?
// not quite "No True Scotsman", but along that line
 
2014-03-31 05:04:12 PM

Dr Dreidel: We do not make threats, we do not tell people to prepare for war, nor do we sell bumper stickers that proclaim 'BALLOTS or BULLETS'

If only, Thomas King. If only.

// what's the opposite of painting with a broad brush?
// not quite "No True Scotsman", but along that line


Your pointillism is well taken.
 
2014-03-31 05:06:52 PM
Well, it's the same as someone that's anti-gun not wanting to appear on Limbaugh's show. Seriously, why scream into a wind tunnel stuck on "hurricane", no matter which side you take in this particular debate?

Neither side wants to give ground, and all they do is scream at each other.
 
2014-03-31 05:12:12 PM
hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"
 
2014-03-31 05:20:20 PM

voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"


hah!
it is an invitation.
 
2014-03-31 05:22:05 PM
what's an anti-gun and why do we need to control them?
 
2014-03-31 05:23:15 PM
img.fark.net

I just like this .gif, I dunno.


also this,


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-31 05:24:07 PM

Mikey1969: Well, it's the same as someone that's anti-gun not wanting to appear on Limbaugh's show.


No..  It's actually the opposite of that.

(my advice:  try reading the headline and/or the article again.  ask an adult to help you sound-out the hard words)
 
2014-03-31 05:25:55 PM

JolobinSmokin: [img.fark.net image 300x225]

I just like this .gif, I dunno.


also this,


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img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-31 05:34:57 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Mikey1969: Well, it's the same as someone that's anti-gun not wanting to appear on Limbaugh's show.

No..  It's actually the opposite of that.

(my advice:  try reading the headline and/or the article again.  ask an adult to help you sound-out the hard words)


No, it's not. He said he doesn't want to go talk to a bunch of people who don't want to listen. He also mentioned that tempers flare at these events, and he doesn't want to deal with it.

WOW, that sounds just like why someone who was anti gun wouldn't want to go on to the farking Limbaugh show.

And people who suggest reading the headline for their "correct" take on an article are either brain dead, or it's their first day on Fark, since only about 3/4 of the headlines accurately reflect the story they are linking to, and a portion of the ones that DO reflect the story get it bass-ackwards.
 
2014-03-31 05:36:37 PM
You reap what you sow, dickweed.
 
2014-03-31 05:39:20 PM

Mikey1969: WOW, that sounds just like why someone who was anti gun wouldn't want to go on to the farking Limbaugh show.


...except all these people are supposed to be on the same side.  The "anti gun" guy and Limbaugh in your analogy are already sworn enemies.

To include Limbaugh in an analogy you'd have to say "This would be like a GOP politician refusing to go on Limbaugh's show because they consider him to be a divisive, reactionary, racist, gay-bashing, sexist, money-grubbing pompous pigman."

Of course GOP politicians don't often have a problem with those positions or with the way Rush "cleverly" outlines those positions.
 
2014-03-31 05:41:37 PM
Can't he stand his ground? Like defending himself?
Moar guns!!
 
2014-03-31 05:44:40 PM

fusillade762: [i57.tinypic.com image 652x365]

Skelos?


Dean Skelos, Republican Majority Leader of the NY State Senate.
 
2014-03-31 05:45:01 PM

fusillade762: [i57.tinypic.com image 652x365]

Skelos?


Dean Skelos. Republican NY State Senator and current Majority Leader. Here's the part that probably provoked that sign: "In 2013, as Senate Leader, Skelos was responsible for suspending Senate rules and bringing the NY SAFE Act to the floor. He later voted for the SAFE Act and advocated its passage."

Now, to me, that's kind of a ballsy move. Especially for a Republican.
 
2014-03-31 05:54:22 PM
The NRA really does need to tone their shiat down.

Before the non-gun nut majority does it for them.
 
2014-03-31 06:05:29 PM
If we could just get rid of all the anti-guns, the world would be a safer place.
 
2014-03-31 06:16:14 PM

voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"


The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.
 
2014-03-31 06:24:53 PM
Half of me is happy that there's a leader of a gun advocacy group stating that the violent rhetoric is bad juju. Half of me says fark him for being a part of what brought it to this point, as if he didn't expect it to grow out of control.

/someone link the oblig Fred Thompson picture.
 
2014-03-31 06:29:53 PM

syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.


I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says "My ObamaCare: Molon labe"

You have never seen so much head scratchin' as when I pull into one of the redneck places that I frequent.
 
2014-03-31 06:31:39 PM

syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.


and the Persians came and took it.
 
2014-03-31 06:38:59 PM
ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be
 
2014-03-31 06:43:45 PM

Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-03-31 06:44:23 PM
"Let all these other groups go out and do what they want to do, because they don't want to listen anyway," King told the newspaper. "I just don't want to be a party to anything that may happen."

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-31 06:44:27 PM

ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be


Le epic meme!
 
2014-03-31 06:45:47 PM

whidbey: The NRA really does need to tone their shiat down.

Before the non-gun nut majority does it for them.


Heh.
 
2014-03-31 06:47:29 PM
The NRA is insignificant compared to the amount of quiet people who own guns and keep it to ourselves. If you feel the need to put an NRA sticker on your truck, I am truly sorry about your penis. Really.
 
2014-03-31 06:49:36 PM

Frank N Stein: ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

Le epic meme!


Well I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight over that one.
 
2014-03-31 07:04:21 PM

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE



 
2014-03-31 07:16:46 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: The NRA is insignificant compared to the amount of quiet people who own guns and keep it to ourselves. If you feel the need to put an NRA sticker on your truck, I am truly sorry about your penis. Really.



Why are gun grabbers so obsessed with dicks?
 
2014-03-31 07:19:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: The NRA is insignificant compared to the amount of quiet people who own guns and keep it to ourselves. If you feel the need to put an NRA sticker on your truck, I am truly sorry about your penis. Really.



You do realize that there are other Second Amendment rights groups you can join, right?

Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?
 
2014-03-31 07:21:00 PM

ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

Le epic meme!

Well I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight over that one.


Cool
 
2014-03-31 07:21:58 PM

The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?


such as?
 
2014-03-31 07:22:47 PM

The_Sponge: ecmoRandomNumbers: The NRA is insignificant compared to the amount of quiet people who own guns and keep it to ourselves. If you feel the need to put an NRA sticker on your truck, I am truly sorry about your penis. Really.


You do realize that there are other Second Amendment rights groups you can join, right?

Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?


Listen, I know about the NRA. Farkers told me all about it. And I even fact checked te claims over at thinkprogress. And let me tell you, not only is the NRA the only gun group, but their the most evilest group in all the land.
 
2014-03-31 07:23:19 PM

Isitoveryet: and the Persians came and took it.



NO SPOILERS!!!! I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEW 300 MOVIE!

/I keed.
 
2014-03-31 07:30:34 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?


"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).
 
2014-03-31 07:34:24 PM
Thomas "we don't do the ballots or bullets gig" King has received an epic number of misspelled emails today telling him that he is either "next" or a fudd. Hell, he'll probably have a "we came unarmed (this time)" sticker stuck to his front door tonight.
 
2014-03-31 07:34:47 PM

BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).



Bless  your heart.
 
2014-03-31 07:43:15 PM

BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).


thank you BSABSVR but what i really want to know (and i should have been more specific) is what rights have been taken away (or even threatened to be taken away for that matter).

and i had to google the Fudds because you sparked my interest in that & found the following Urban Dictionary meaning;
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.
 
2014-03-31 07:46:01 PM
Cannot wait for November.
 
2014-03-31 07:51:21 PM

Dr Dreidel: We do not make threats, we do not tell people to prepare for war, nor do we sell bumper stickers that proclaim 'BALLOTS or BULLETS'

If only, Thomas King. If only.

// what's the opposite of painting with a broad brush?
// not quite "No True Scotsman", but along that line


Splitting hairs?
 
2014-03-31 07:58:35 PM

Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.



I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.
 
2014-03-31 08:06:49 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.


I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?
 
2014-03-31 08:11:01 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?



Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.
 
2014-03-31 08:14:59 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?


Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.


I acknowledge and support that right but i don't go around starting arguments over who owns guns and why.
typically, you 2nd Amendment nutters are just that! proudly displaying your firearms while proclaiming "they're comin't take'em!" which is silly.
(now we move the goal posts and claim that some regulation is an infringement upon your constitutional rights!, you see? crazy.)
 
2014-03-31 08:15:21 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?



Such as certain portions of the New York "SAFE" Act.

One example:

Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013.[8][9] Originally the law allowed only seven rounds to be loaded into a magazine, but this provision was struck down by a federal judge on December 21, 2013.[10]
 
2014-03-31 08:16:55 PM

Isitoveryet: (now we move the goal posts and claim that some regulation is an infringement upon your constitutional rights!, you see? crazy.)



Oh..."some regulation".  By all means....tell me which regulations I should accept?
 
2014-03-31 08:17:21 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?


Such as certain portions of the New York "SAFE" Act.

One example:

Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013.[8][9] Originally the law allowed only seven rounds to be loaded into a magazine, but this provision was struck down by a federal judge on December 21, 2013.[10]


listen Sponge, i like you (based on your profile page) and i've supported your 2nd amendment arguments in gun threads in the past BUT i knew you were going to take it in this direction.

can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?
 
2014-03-31 08:19:05 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: (now we move the goal posts and claim that some regulation is an infringement upon your constitutional rights!, you see? crazy.)


Oh..."some regulation".  By all means....tell me which regulations I should accept?


pretty interesting how i was able to foresee the future like that huh? all without the use of my assault Glock.
 
2014-03-31 08:22:17 PM

Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?



I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.
 
2014-03-31 08:26:24 PM
And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.
 
2014-03-31 08:42:36 PM
I don't blame the NRA for staying out of New York. Those anti-gun politicians are busy trafficking guns from terrorists and putting them in the hands of Asian gangbangers. Dangerous territory to be in without your own firearm.
 
2014-03-31 08:52:33 PM

The_Sponge: but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.


That's all well and good - no seriously, I mean that. But how do you square that with the fact that most politicians who actively listen to such lobbyist groups that "support your rights" vis a vis firearms are trying desperately to take away even more fundamental rights of a good chunk of other Americans, yourself included in some cases? Because, let's just go through some examples. The politicians who are most favored by gun lobbying groups, such as the NRA, tend to be rather conservative, and typically Republican. Those same politicians, above and beyond their nigh-universal rejection of restrictions on firearm ownership (which is truly a debatable subject where the many sides have valid points to make, I believe), also tend to align themselves thusly:

-Preventing the recognition of same sex marriage, thereby prevents hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions, of Americans from enjoying some pretty simple rights and freedoms that most others take for granted, including (but not limited to) visiting sick/dying partner in the hospital, and tax breaks (which could help stimulate the economy if those couples could get the benefits of filing jointly)
-Bans on abortion and contraceptives for women, thereby preventing the rights of tens of millions of women from having the choice about how to govern her body; in many cases a husband or boyfriend is involved too, thereby preventing him from enjoying those same rights about family planning
-Massive support for various hurdles and restrictions on voting - the most basic of civic rights - that have the planned effects on impeding also tens of millions of citizens in the lower socioeconomic brackets from being able to voice their opinion about who should lead the country
-Anti-regulatory stances supported by the bulk of the "pro gun-rights" politicians have resulted in countless environmental disasters that have affected both the entire stability of the natural world and the health and livelihoods of millions of Americans who just want to be able to drink clean water and breath safe air, or, you know, work at a place that won't kill them when it blows up around them because no one has bothered to inspect all the pipes in over two or three decades
-Trying, very hard, nearly 50 times, to deny tens of millions of Americans access to affordable healthcare, which gets at the very first part of the big three in the Declaration of Independent (i.e., "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness")
-Massive amounts of outsourcing by companies that is supported by them, that take jobs away from the United States to places like China and India that exploit essentially slave-labor, because lobbyists for those companies managed to shovel a few extra bucks into those politicians' pockets
-Rampant support that those politicians have given to the Citizens United ruling, which gives a vastly disproportionate amount of political clout to an almost absurd minority of alleged "people" by taking it away from nearly every other individual adult citizen in this country
-Almost universal rejection of most fundamental scientific conclusions, including the teaching of evolution in science classes, instead favoring a very narrow and select religious dogma that is totally and completely unsupported by any set of empirical data to be forced onto the minds of children and teenagers

So, honestly, I am completely and totally in support of firearm rights. I am for commonsense regulation when necessary, and I acknowledge that some regulations and policies that currently exist are not only stupid, but ineffective and need to be rescinded. But, on the other hand, when I have to weigh the pros and cons... yea, I think we're better off, generally speaking, as a country, with the political party that may be a little moonbatty about gun restrictions on occasion, but isn't f*cking evil on damn near every other topic of equal or greater importance. I want to know, truly I am curious, how you can square those things away. Because, me? I can't support the NRA or similar groups because I know the types of politicians they tend to support are simply f*cking wrong for keeping American a f*cking amazing country to live in. I'm willing to make a tiny sacrifice to one of my rights if it means preventing me sacrificing half a dozen or more other rights, and preventing people I care about from losing (or never gaining) enough rights to even remotely be considered equal.
 
2014-03-31 08:53:52 PM

Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).

thank you BSABSVR but what i really want to know (and i should have been more specific) is what rights have been taken away (or even threatened to be taken away for that matter).

and i had to google the Fudds because you sparked my interest in that & found the following Urban Dictionary meaning;
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I always heard Fudd used as a jackass who shouldn't own a gun. Someone who disregards safety and always want to wave the damn thing around.

The exact opposite of what the definition you quoted said.
 
2014-03-31 08:55:53 PM

Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be


I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NRA any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.
 
2014-03-31 08:56:55 PM

Turbo Cojones: I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says "My ObamaCare: Molon labe"You have never seen so much head scratchin' as when I pull into one of the redneck places that I frequent.


Pretty funny.  I have pre-existing conditions and was without insurance for all of 2011 because of them.  Bans on pre-existing condition clauses couldn't get here soon enough for me.
 
2014-03-31 08:58:06 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?


Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.


Actually, I'd say, in terms of important amendments, the 2nd is near the bottom. It was added mostly because America didn't have (and the Founders didn't want) a standing army, so well-armed, well-regulated militia was necessary for defense. Once a standing army was formed, that interpretation became obsolete, and not long after, the 'defense against tyrants' reasoning became obsolete as well, as the military's capabilities rocketed ahead of anything civilians can conceivably muster.
 
2014-03-31 09:00:29 PM
Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.
 
2014-03-31 09:07:16 PM

jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.


Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.
 
2014-03-31 09:07:44 PM

syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.


I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.
 
2014-03-31 09:08:52 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.


Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.
 
2014-03-31 09:11:30 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).

thank you BSABSVR but what i really want to know (and i should have been more specific) is what rights have been taken away (or even threatened to be taken away for that matter).

and i had to google the Fudds because you sparked my interest in that & found the following Urban Dictionary meaning;
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.

I always heard Fudd used as a jackass who shouldn't own a gun. Someone who disregards safety and always want to wave the damn thing around.

The exact opposite of what the definition you quoted said.


You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.
 
2014-03-31 09:13:54 PM

Kome: The_Sponge: but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

That's all well and good - no seriously, I mean that. But how do you square that with the fact that most politicians who actively listen to such lobbyist groups that "support your rights" vis a vis firearms are trying desperately to take away even more fundamental rights of a good chunk of other Americans, yourself included in some cases? Because, let's just go through some examples. The politicians who are most favored by gun lobbying groups, such as the NRA, tend to be rather conservative, and typically Republican. Those same politicians, above and beyond their nigh-universal rejection of restrictions on firearm ownership (which is truly a debatable subject where the many sides have valid points to make, I believe), also tend to align themselves thusly:

-Preventing the recognition of same sex marriage, thereby prevents hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions, of Americans from enjoying some pretty simple rights and freedoms that most others take for granted, including (but not limited to) visiting sick/dying partner in the hospital, and tax breaks (which could help stimulate the economy if those couples could get the benefits of filing jointly)
-Bans on abortion and contraceptives for women, thereby preventing the rights of tens of millions of women from having the choice about how to govern her body; in many cases a husband or boyfriend is involved too, thereby preventing him from enjoying those same rights about family planning
-Massive support for various hurdles and restrictions on voting - the most basic of civic rights - that have the planned effects on impeding also tens of millions of citizens in the lower socioeconomic brackets from being able to voice their opinion about who should lead the country
-Anti-regulatory stances supported by the bulk of the "pro gun-rights" politicians have resulted in countless environmental disasters that have affected both the entire stability of the natural world and the health and livelihoods of millions of Americans who just want to be able to drink clean water and breath safe air, or, you know, work at a place that won't kill them when it blows up around them because no one has bothered to inspect all the pipes in over two or three decades
-Trying, very hard, nearly 50 times, to deny tens of millions of Americans access to affordable healthcare, which gets at the very first part of the big three in the Declaration of Independent (i.e., "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness")
-Massive amounts of outsourcing by companies that is supported by them, that take jobs away from the United States to places like China and India that exploit essentially slave-labor, because lobbyists for those companies managed to shovel a few extra bucks into those politicians' pockets
-Rampant support that those politicians have given to the Citizens United ruling, which gives a vastly disproportionate amount of political clout to an almost absurd minority of alleged "people" by taking it away from nearly every other individual adult citizen in this country
-Almost universal rejection of most fundamental scientific conclusions, including the teaching of evolution in science classes, instead favoring a very narrow and select religious dogma that is totally and completely unsupported by any set of empirical data to be forced onto the minds of children and teenagers

So, honestly, I am completely and totally in support of firearm rights. I am for commonsense regulation when necessary, and I acknowledge that some regulations and policies that currently exist are not only stupid, but ineffective and need to be rescinded. But, on the other hand, when I have to weigh the pros and cons... yea, I think we're better off, generally speaking, as a country, with the political party that may be a little moonbatty about gun restrictions on occasion, but isn't f*cking evil on damn near every other topic of equal or greater importance. I want to know, truly I am curious, how you can square those things away. Because, me? I can't support the NRA or similar groups because I know the types of politicians they tend to support are simply f*cking wrong for keeping American a f*cking amazing country to live in. I'm willing to make a tiny sacrifice to one of my rights if it means preventing me sacrificing half a dozen or more other rights, and preventing people I care about from losing (or never gaining) enough rights to even remotely be considered equal.


Vote libertarian
 
2014-03-31 09:15:03 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.


Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.
 
2014-03-31 09:15:47 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.


2014 has been fantastic for CA gun owners. The entire state is getting cleansed.
 
2014-03-31 09:16:10 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: The NRA is insignificant compared to the amount of quiet people who own guns and keep it to ourselves. If you feel the need to put an NRA sticker on your truck, I am truly sorry about your penis. Really.


So much THIS.
 
2014-03-31 09:18:27 PM

tripleseven: syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.

I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.


I don't get the open-carry thing - it's totally counterintuitive to me. I've always been a strict devotee of the "keep it safe, keep it hidden, keep it secret" school of carrying.
For one thing, I don't carry unless I feel it's absolutely necessary - and I have mercifully gone a few decades since I've been in such circumstances. And on those precious few occasions, the LAST thing I have wanted was for anybody else to know I was armed.
It just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
 
2014-03-31 09:20:03 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.


I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.
 
2014-03-31 09:22:10 PM

jso2897: tripleseven: syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.

I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.

I don't get the open-carry thing - it's totally counterintuitive to me. I've always been a strict devotee of the "keep it safe, keep it hidden, keep it secret" school of carrying.
For one thing, I don't carry unless I feel it's absolutely necessary - and I have mercifully gone a few decades since I've been in such circumstances. And on those precious few occasions, the LAST thing I have wanted was for anybody else to know I was armed.
It just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.


Intimidation, that's the only thing I can think of. The same reason black guys go around pantless.
 
2014-03-31 09:26:19 PM
He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.
 
2014-03-31 09:27:00 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.


Me either nor anyone I know.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong :/
 
2014-03-31 09:27:44 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.


And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?
 
2014-03-31 09:28:41 PM

centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.


Knives, fancy toothpicks.
 
2014-03-31 09:35:34 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?


I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.
 
2014-03-31 09:38:09 PM
i see that a certain pony in this thread has almost completely performed his trick.
 
2014-03-31 09:41:06 PM

The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.


I also want to acknowledge that mental health is not something to be made fun of & that is not my intent.

I use the term nutter because enthusiast doesn't quite capture the emotional tenet of the topic.
 
2014-03-31 09:42:18 PM

Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.


Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.
 
2014-03-31 09:44:18 PM

Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.

I also want to acknowledge that mental health is not something to be made fun of & that is not my intent.

I use the term nutter because enthusiast doesn't quite capture the emotional tenet of the topic.


No harm done.
 
2014-03-31 09:45:20 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.

Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.


....your mom's f*ck buddy.
 
2014-03-31 09:47:25 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.


And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?
 
2014-03-31 09:48:33 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.

Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.

....your mom's f*ck buddy.


Which one? That tells me nothing.
 
2014-03-31 09:49:56 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.


My opinion is that the NRA exists today solely to line their pockets under the guise of constitutional proclivity & sure, promote the sales of guns in as many states as possible to as many people as possible.
 
2014-03-31 09:50:04 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Kome: Sincere, well intended attempt to talk sense to a single-issue voter.

Dude - give it up. It doesn't matter whether it's guns, or abortion, or weed, or what it is. A person who will vote for anyone who takes some one position on one thing, and against anybody who disagrees, no matter what other issues are involved, is not a rational person.
Reason is wasted on single-issue voters.

Single-issue voter? Nope....but thanks for playing.

Good - I'm greatly relieved to hear that, whoever the f**k you are.

....your mom's f*ck buddy.

Which one? That tells me nothing.


Hahaha! Eh....you're okay.
 
2014-03-31 09:51:48 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?


Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.
 
2014-03-31 09:53:00 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.


So adults who don't like California's gun laws are either lunatics, criminals, or immature? Come on.

Besides, look what happened to owners of once-legal certain model SKS rifles who had them taken away.
 
2014-03-31 09:56:14 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?

Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.


Why is it so bad if somebody.....with a clean criminal background....wants to own a semi-auto rifle with 30 round mags?
 
2014-03-31 09:58:04 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

So adults who don't like California's gun laws are either lunatics, criminals, or immature? Come on.


Look - if you are going to put words in my mouth, there's no point in my even being here. I didn't say anything remotely like that, and your sense of persecution is starting to get on my nerves. I am not the enemy. There probably isn't one.
 
2014-03-31 09:59:23 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?

Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.

Why is it so bad if somebody.....with a clean criminal background....wants to own a semi-auto rifle with 30 round mags?


OK - obviously, you are having an argument with an invisible person who lives in your head. There is no point whatsoever in my being here.
 
2014-03-31 10:00:24 PM

jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

So adults who don't like California's gun laws are either lunatics, criminals, or immature? Come on.

Look - if you are going to put words in my mouth, there's no point in my even being here. I didn't say anything remotely like that, and your sense of persecution is starting to get on my nerves. I am not the enemy. There probably isn't one.


Oh really? You didn't stereotype people who take issue with California's gun laws? Get real.
 
2014-03-31 10:05:44 PM
Did any of the NRA execs or Tea Party organizers ever read the ending of Frankenstein?

You can't create the monster and then call time out when it gets out of control.
 
2014-03-31 10:13:29 PM

jso2897: tripleseven: syrynxx: voran: hm, re that flag and 'come and take it', I don't suppose that's legally protective? I mean, if you saw a guy holding that and went up to him and beat him down, and...well...took it (and hey, his guns) from him, why couldn't you go, "Hey, that flag provided the waiver!"

The origin of that phrase is the 300 Spartans' response to the Persian demand that they surrender their weapons - 'Molon labe' - 'Come and take them' implying a fight to the death to keep them. But good luck with your beat-down attempt in a crowd full of those people.  I suspect the forensic evidence will have to try to make your point in court for you.

I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about?  Specifically open carriers?  They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.

I don't get the open-carry thing - it's totally counterintuitive to me. I've always been a strict devotee of the "keep it safe, keep it hidden, keep it secret" school of carrying.
For one thing, I don't carry unless I feel it's absolutely necessary - and I have mercifully gone a few decades since I've been in such circumstances. And on those precious few occasions, the LAST thing I have wanted was for anybody else to know I was armed.
It just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.


It's more comfortable
 
2014-03-31 10:14:22 PM

The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: The_Sponge: jso2897: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Believe me, gun ownership is alive & well here in CA.

I've lived here and owned guns all my life - never had any problems.

And your example is the same for all gun owners in California?

I don't know all the gun owners in California. None that I do know have any problems - including a good friend of mine who is a gun dealer. But then, I choose who I hang around with - I tend to avoid criminals, lunatics, and adults who are still immature.

And your gun friend dealer would've want to see some of the current laws rolled back?

Not that he's mentioned to me. He really deals in a small way - specialty receivers and sight mounts and stuff  like that.
I've known the guy a long time - he's a low key, adaptive sort. Doesn't really have any self created problems in life.
So many people these days seem obsessed with self-defeating behaviors. It's good to be old.

Why is it so bad if somebody.....with a clean criminal background....wants to own a semi-auto rifle with 30 round mags?


Nothing wrong with wanting those things but can you admit that in the wrong hands, they could do some serious evil?
The question is, how do we afford people those wants while at the same time limiting their availability?
 
2014-03-31 10:16:05 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.


It does and they do. Google is your friend.
 
2014-03-31 10:22:48 PM

tripleseven: I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about? Specifically open carriers? They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.


Smarmy?  Do you even know what that word means?  As for 'sticking up for the gun owners', I own about 30 guns and I'm a Benefactor Life Member of the NRA.  That doesn't mean I agree with every word out of LaPierre's mouth and I especially don't like morons who open carry to try to make a political point.  I don't do it.
 
2014-03-31 10:27:25 PM
I live in NYC and as a someone who has never held an actual gun, let alone fired or owned one, i think our gun laws go to far and are asinine and I think these new ones should be repealed soon.

But here are some nice stuff for all the people on fark to start a discussion off with

liberallogic101.com
liberallogic101.com

liberallogic101.com

liberallogic101.com


/to anyone who overreacts to this, while I think my city and states gun laws go too far, right now I am trolling
 
2014-03-31 10:34:08 PM

LordJiro: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.

I'll take your word for it?

 burst my stereotype? which one would that be? 2nd amendment nutters or normal ones who hunt and target and collect because it's fun?


Just like people should take your word that Second Amendment supporters are "insane", right?

Yes....your silly little stereotype that people are insane for supporting an important Constitutional right.

Actually, I'd say, in terms of important amendments, the 2nd is near the bottom. It was added mostly because America didn't have (and the Founders didn't want) a standing army, so well-armed, well-regulated militia was necessary for defense. Once a standing army was formed, that interpretation became obsolete, and not long after, the 'defense against tyrants' reasoning became obsolete as well, as the military's capabilities rocketed ahead of anything civilians can conceivably muster.


You're disgusting for thinking some rights are more important than others
 
2014-03-31 10:35:25 PM

Isitoveryet: jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.

My opinion is that the NRA exists today solely to line their pockets under the guise of constitutional proclivity & sure, promote the sales of guns in as many states as possible to as many people as possible.


The NRA is an uber boogeyman. Where did the feel touch you?
 
2014-03-31 10:35:37 PM

Isitoveryet: My opinion is that the NRA exists today solely to line their pockets


There's certainly plenty of that, and I get frequent hurr-durr-Obama's-coming-for-your-guns emails from them. Got this one just today!

Right now, Barack Obama and his allies in Congress are devising every possible scheme to pass his so-called "universal background checks" plan. But background checks are NOT the real goal behind this effort.

The Obama administration has clearly stated that once their plan is put into place, all law-abiding gun owners LIKE YOU must be forced to submit to mandatory "gun registration" to enforce the new law.

You read that right. GUN REGISTRATION. Not just for every gun you buy, but for every gun you already own!

Syrynxx, if Obama forces you to register your guns, how long do you think it will be before every firearm you own is banned and confiscated?


It's pretty infantile and I ignore it.  But the NRA offers great firearm training which anyone even considering using a firearm for personal protection should take.  It's fairly expensive - the recent CCW course cost more than several guns I own - but definitely worth it. If I knew how good it was, I'd take that course before I'd ever bought my first gun.
 
2014-03-31 10:37:12 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Pussies. Every single one of them.


Look out, we got a bad ass over here.
 
2014-03-31 10:41:14 PM

syrynxx: tripleseven: I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about? Specifically open carriers? They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Smarmy?  Do you even know what that word means?  As for 'sticking up for the gun owners', I own about 30 guns and I'm a Benefactor Life Member of the NRA.  That doesn't mean I agree with every word out of LaPierre's mouth and I especially don't like morons who open carry to try to make a political point.  I don't do it.


No, but you had no problem asserting that someone would be murdered if he tried to "Come and get them".  Alluding to the "forensic evidence testifying at his trial" was the smarmy part.

FYI:
Full Definition of SMARMY
1:  revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction

The way you white knighted for those gun owners by advocating murder sure was smarmy, my friend.
 
2014-03-31 10:56:13 PM

Turbo Cojones: I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says "My ObamaCare: Molon labe"

You have never seen so much head scratchin' as when I pull into one of the redneck places that I frequent.


Crazed gun nuts who fantasize about killing liberals? I don't know where you got that idea.
 
2014-03-31 11:01:43 PM

tripleseven: The way you white knighted for those gun owners by advocating murder sure was smarmy, my friend.


Not all homocides are murder.  If a firearm owner is lawfully in possession of a firearm and someone tries to take it from him/her, not only is that attempted robbery, but s/he'd be well within reason to assume they mean to shoot the owner with it after gaining control, which constitutes the threat of grave bodily harm and justifies deadly force to protect oneself, assuming the firearm owner had not provoked the confrontation in the first place.  Shooting someone who, without provocation, tries to steal your gun is not murder.  Those words on the flag do not constitute provocation unless you're 12 years old.

You seem to have a problem with words that mean something different in your head than they do in the dictionary. Smug? No.  Ingratiating?  No, I agree with the board member in the article that the type of people that attend these echo-chamber rallies are doing more harm than good.  False? You don't understand what I was saying so any falseness has occurred between your ears.
 
2014-03-31 11:11:02 PM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.


Yup you can't buy any guns in California.
 
2014-03-31 11:13:46 PM

jedihirsch: I live in NYC and as a someone who has never held an actual gun, let alone fired or owned one, i think our gun laws go to far and are asinine and I think these new ones should be repealed soon.

But here are some nice stuff for all the people on fark to start a discussion off with









/to anyone who overreacts to this, while I think my city and states gun laws go too far, right now I am trolling


I see you raided your Facebook wank page.
 
2014-03-31 11:34:57 PM

Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.


Defiantly a bit more difficult with Yee being brought up on charges.
 
2014-03-31 11:37:52 PM

Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: can't you just enjoy the sport without the paranoia of bats attacking you?


I do enjoy it, and I'm damn glad I live in a state with decent gun laws (Washington), but I will keep supporting lobbyist groups that support my rights.

And it's not paranoia.....look at the gun laws passed by New York and California.

And speaking of California, Leland Yee is a piece of garbage.

Yup you can't buy any guns in California.


Just the ones that are approved by hacks in Sacramento.
 
2014-03-31 11:39:39 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.

Defiantly a bit more difficult with Yee being brought up on charges.


I chuckled.
 
2014-03-31 11:45:34 PM

Fart_Machine: jedihirsch: I live in NYC and as a someone who has never held an actual gun, let alone fired or owned one, i think our gun laws go to far and are asinine and I think these new ones should be repealed soon.

But here are some nice stuff for all the people on fark to start a discussion off with

/to anyone who overreacts to this, while I think my city and states gun laws go too far, right now I am trolling

I see you raided your Facebook wank page.


I'm one of the five people in the universe without facebook. Its a compelte waste of time. Kinda like fark, but without the fun
 
2014-04-01 12:07:42 AM

Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.


There's a micro-stamping law that the avocado-eaters have put on the books for continued gun sales in CA despite it being utterly infeasible.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/robert-farago/nssf-saami-fi le -suit-ca-microstamping-law/

There is no existing microstamping technology that meets the requirement of this ill-considered law. It is not technologically possible to microstamp two locations in the gun and have the required information imprint onto the cartridge casing.

"It is not technologically possible" sounds a lot like a complete ban to me.  The last I've heard, handgun manufacturers are stopping CA sales because their (=NO) handguns do not comply with this ridiculous law.  CA representatives are batty as a bunch.
 
2014-04-01 12:10:39 AM

syrynxx: tripleseven: The way you white knighted for those gun owners by advocating murder sure was smarmy, my friend.

Not all homocides are murder.  If a firearm owner is lawfully in possession of a firearm and someone tries to take it from him/her, not only is that attempted robbery, but s/he'd be well within reason to assume they mean to shoot the owner with it after gaining control, which constitutes the threat of grave bodily harm and justifies deadly force to protect oneself, assuming the firearm owner had not provoked the confrontation in the first place.  Shooting someone who, without provocation, tries to steal your gun is not murder.  Those words on the flag do not constitute provocation unless you're 12 years old.

You seem to have a problem with words that mean something different in your head than they do in the dictionary. Smug? No.  Ingratiating?  No, I agree with the board member in the article that the type of people that attend these echo-chamber rallies are doing more harm than good.  False? You don't understand what I was saying so any falseness has occurred between your ears.


Well then, if you say so.
 
2014-04-01 12:24:47 AM

UrukHaiGuyz: Dr Dreidel: We do not make threats, we do not tell people to prepare for war, nor do we sell bumper stickers that proclaim 'BALLOTS or BULLETS'

If only, Thomas King. If only.

// what's the opposite of painting with a broad brush?
// not quite "No True Scotsman", but along that line

Your pointillism is well taken.


ART JOKE PLUS ONE
 
2014-04-01 12:36:14 AM

Isitoveryet: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge:

You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.


It's possible that I misread the context clues, not wanting to believe a poster was enough of a nut to disparage normal, law abiding, background check-passing gun owners who don't feel that having less than 30 rounds in a clip destroys our country.  I've only run across it maybe four times, all in the last year or so.

Honestly I feel like the word fits my definition much better.
 
2014-04-01 12:43:11 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge:

You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.

It's possible that I misread the context clues, not wanting to believe a poster was enough of a nut to disparage normal, law abiding, background check-passing gun owners who don't feel that having less than 30 rounds in a clip destroys our country.  I've only run across it maybe four times, all in the last year or so.

Honestly I feel like the word fits my definition much better.


Guess what, pal? I'm a normal, law-abiding, background check-passing gun owner, too.

But you will have to excuse me when I don't appreciate gun laws that do nothing, and infringe on my rights.
 
2014-04-01 12:44:35 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isitoveryet: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge:

You'd have to take that up with urban dictionary, It's the only submitted definition & has almost a thousand agreeing clicks.
Today is the first I've seen the term.

It's possible that I misread the context clues, not wanting to believe a poster was enough of a nut to disparage normal, law abiding, background check-passing gun owners who don't feel that having less than 30 rounds in a clip destroys our country.  I've only run across it maybe four times, all in the last year or so.

Honestly I feel like the word fits my definition much better.


Magazine, not clip.
 
2014-04-01 12:49:33 AM

jso2897: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NRA any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.


A thousand times *this*. And the constant junk mail and robot calls begging for cash...it never f*cking stops.

The Cal Rifle & Pistol folks are all right, though. They actually have useful info, and they don't beg for money nearly as hard. And you don't get the high grade social conservative derp with cowboys and crying eagles.

But anyway, f*ck the NRA.
 
2014-04-01 12:55:14 AM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: centrifugal bumblepuppy: He must feel threatened by the up and coming National Switchblade Association, looking to legalize concealed-carry spring-loaded knives in all 50 states.

Knives, fancy toothpicks.

Funny how the NRA never wants to defend the right to keep and bear THOSE arms. Seems like the Second would protect them,too.


http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/5fa3c8ed#/5fa3c8ed/103

Yeah never supported those rights and definitely didn't support overturning Indiana' switchblade law.

/bear in mind it is the National rifle association
//not a member
 
2014-04-01 12:58:00 AM

Bonzo_1116: jso2897: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NRA any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.

A thousand times *this*. And the constant junk mail and robot calls begging for cash...it never f*cking stops.

The Cal Rifle & Pistol folks are all right, though. They actually have useful info, and they don't beg for money nearly as hard. And you don't get the high grade social conservative derp with cowboys and crying eagles.

But anyway, f*ck the NRA.


F*ck the Brady Campaign.
F*ck the Million Mom March.
 
2014-04-01 01:03:34 AM
Million Moron March and the Brady people are useless grifters scamming rubes for cash, too.

As a gun owner in California, I just don't find the NRA that useful. WWW.crpa.org is where my donations go.
 
2014-04-01 01:04:31 AM

syrynxx: Fart_Machine: Yup you can't buy any guns in California.

There's a micro-stamping law that the avocado-eaters have put on the books for continued gun sales in CA despite it being utterly infeasible.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/robert-farago/nssf-saami-fi le -suit-ca-microstamping-law/

There is no existing microstamping technology that meets the requirement of this ill-considered law. It is not technologically possible to microstamp two locations in the gun and have the required information imprint onto the cartridge casing.

"It is not technologically possible" sounds a lot like a complete ban to me.  The last I've heard, handgun manufacturers are stopping CA sales because their (=NO) handguns do not comply with this ridiculous law.  CA representatives are batty as a bunch.


Yup, all the gun stores have shut down too.  They don't even have gun shows anymore.  Also your blog sucks.
 
2014-04-01 06:39:28 AM

The_Sponge: Isitoveryet: so it's a word 2nd amendment nutters can use to disassociate themselves from people who own guns and are sane.


I'm sorry to burst your stereotype, but I own firearms, and am totally sane.


If this isn't a cry for mental help, I don't know what is.

Why would you even type those words? Especially on Fark?

The only way you could come across crazier is by claiming your hot homeschooled wife was typing this for you since you were too busy hitting it from behind.
 
2014-04-01 06:45:58 AM

The_Sponge: F*ck the Brady Campaign.
F*ck the Million Mom March.


You guys are truly awesome.
 
2014-04-01 08:01:01 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE


img.izismile.com

Deed Zumvan zay Violent Conzerfativ?
 
2014-04-01 08:11:20 AM

BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).


Yeah...always a sure sign that a movement is reasonable when they alienate their moderates (rather than attempt any discourse).  Good luck to them on all that.

/Wouldn't join the NPR if they paid me
 
2014-04-01 08:14:25 AM

Bonzo_1116: jso2897: Frank N Stein: ITT: farkers discussing what they imagine gun owners to be

I don't have to. I am a gun owner. I support gun rights. I want absolutely nothing to do with the NPR any more, or with what passes for pro-gun activists these days.
Look at those rallys - those people are just plain nuts. These drooling, shrieking maniacs are far more likely to cost me my gun rights than preserve them - and I would no more enter a crowd of them than I would a baboon cage at the zoo.

A thousand times *this*. And the constant junk mail and robot calls begging for cash...it never f*cking stops.

The Cal Rifle & Pistol folks are all right, though. They actually have useful info, and they don't beg for money nearly as hard. And you don't get the high grade social conservative derp with cowboys and crying eagles.

But anyway, f*ck the NPR.


All of this right here.  Especially the last part.
 
2014-04-01 08:31:53 AM

vharshyde: Pants full of macaroni!!: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

[img.izismile.com image 280x448]

Deed Zumvan zay Violent Conzerfativ?


You know as well as I do that Hitler was a greenie-weenie commie-cuddling big-government Libtard.  Nazi means National Socialist, i.e. Libbylib Lib-U-Lardo, and all of history's dictators are firmly on the Left.
 
2014-04-01 08:39:22 AM

born_yesterday: BSABSVR: Isitoveryet: The_Sponge: Or are you one of those Fudds who doesn't care when your rights are taken away?

such as?

"Fudds" are the new "activist judge". It's a completely meaningless phrase designed to allow morons to identify as more pro gun than thou (without having to be articulate or logical).

Yeah...always a sure sign that a movement is reasonable when they alienate their moderates (rather than attempt any discourse).  Good luck to them on all that.

/Wouldn't join the NPR if they paid me


The nation already had a conversation about gun control. The gun control advocates lost.
 
2014-04-01 08:59:02 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: vharshyde: Pants full of macaroni!!: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVETHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE

[img.izismile.com image 280x448]

Deed Zumvan zay Violent Conzerfativ?

You know as well as I do that Hitler was a greenie-weenie commie-cuddling big-government Libtard.  Nazi means National Socialist, i.e. Libbylib Lib-U-Lardo, and all of history's dictators are firmly on the Left.


img.izismile.com 

Nein! Da Leebs kannot rock zees banjo like Ein kampff. Only Leeb Heepsturfs. And dey kannot zolo like Ei zolo.
 
2014-04-01 09:26:26 AM

The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.


Hope you keep your guns away from him.
 
2014-04-01 10:24:49 AM

ckccfa: The_Sponge: And could we please save the sanity/insanity talk for something else?  My younger brother has battled mental illness for quite some time.

Hope you keep your guns away from him.


Absolutely.
 
2014-04-01 10:25:43 AM
You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?
 
2014-04-01 11:59:26 AM

The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?


No.
 
2014-04-01 12:14:25 PM

Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?

No.


So Hitler allowed all people (including Jews) to own guns?  Hmm, that is news to me.
 
2014-04-01 12:31:48 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?

No.

So Hitler allowed all people (including Jews) to own guns?  Hmm, that is news to me.


The laws on firearms were deregulated from what they were under the Treaty of Versailles.  Persecuted classes were prohibited from owning firearms so if we have laws against criminals and the mentally ill buying guns we're just like Hitler.
 
2014-04-01 12:48:06 PM

Fart_Machine: Persecuted classes were prohibited from owning firearms so if we have laws against criminals and the mentally ill buying guns we're just like Hitler.


So, Jews are mentally ill criminals now?  Hmm, not sure I like how you think.
 
2014-04-01 12:51:03 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: Persecuted classes were prohibited from owning firearms so if we have laws against criminals and the mentally ill buying guns we're just like Hitler.

So, Jews are mentally ill criminals now?  Hmm, not sure I like how you think.


No, I'm pointing out how stupid the Hitler comparison is.

Incidentally Israel requires all gun owners to have a license and regards ownership as a privilege rather than a right.  So they're even worse than Hitler.
 
2014-04-01 12:51:37 PM

The_Sponge: You do realize that there are other Second Amendment rights groups you can join, right?


Yes, for example there's Gun Owners of America.  Though I think they're not in the right direction for you...

tripleseven: I bet you feel all smarmy, sticking up for the gun owners. And isn't this what gun carriers are all about? Specifically open carriers? They want everyone who sees them to know, that they can kill them at any time.

Charming.


Not really the message most of those types are trying to convey.  I see them as more trying the same tactics as the LGBT crowd in getting their existance and problems acknowledged.  There's nothing really stopping LGBT people from hiding their condition, but by doing so they enable discrimination against them becaue the true extent of their existance is hidden.  By 'coming out' and holding marches and stuff people get to see how many of them there really are.  Another important aspect is that people get used to them, knowing they're there, and thus lose their fear.

Same idea with OC.  The vast majority of people are okay with Police carrying, and the Police are more likely to murder you than a person with a concealed carry permit(and most militant OC types have one).

I've carried both concealed and open(job duties in this case), and find open carry more comfortable on average, and much easier to draw.  If people didn't panic if I openly carried outside of uniform, I might do so.  That's what the OC types are trying to get you to do - calm down around firearms.

The_Sponge: You guys realize that Hitler supported uber strict gun laws, ja?


Gotta love Godwining the thread, but in actuallity Hitler's position on firearms was more nuanced.  He made it easier to obtain them if you were part of the ubermensch, but pretty much banned them if you were part of a non-protected group like Jews, Gypsies, gay, etc...

Even the NPR has had some history where they briefly supported 'Saturday night special' laws that attempted to ban 'cheap' handguns, which would disproportionately affect the poor from owning firearms, and if you target the poor in the USA you end up targeting blacks(and other minorities) even worse.

On the other hand, you can at least argue that cheap handguns are the ones most used in crimes.  'Assault weapons' like the AR-15 are used in crimes so rarely that when they are it generally makes national news. Meanwhile cheap handguns are used in crime hundreds of times a day.  They're something like 80% of murders.  So I have some respect for gun-grabbers that at least go after the guns used in crime, handguns, but I have very little for those that target rifles, which are used in crime and to commit murder even less than shotguns.  Rifles(323 murders in 2011) are also lower on the list than 'blunt instruments' which includes hammers and baseball bats(496).

That brings up a rather disturbing fact as well:  If you remove murders committed by and against blacks(most of it is black on black), the USA drops down into the midrange for Europe's murder rates. Source

Black Victims: 2695/6131, 44%, Black suspects: 2958/6131, 48%.  They're only 13% of the population!  Without them our murder rate would drop 40%.  Even worse, because I don't actually blame them as a race, but a specific sub-culture that is predominately black, if we could eliminate the inner-city gang culture our violence rates would drop even more.
 
2014-04-01 12:52:53 PM
Laughter OL at the April fools filter

NPR (nat'l pub radio)

NPR (nat'l rifle assn)
 
2014-04-01 05:17:19 PM
NPR had better get its shiat straight . As citizens, we could revoke its non-profit status and charter.
 
2014-04-01 05:46:08 PM

whidbey: NPR had better get its shiat straight . As citizens, we could revoke its non-profit status and charter.


I just might have to save that one.  Thanks for the Laughter OL!
 
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