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(Buzzfeed)   A $400,000 fiberglass sculpture of a camel staring at a needle will be put up in Pakistan, where the average yearly income is about $1,250 per year. Guess who is paying for the sculpture? Take a guess   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 117
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2014-03-31 12:41:32 PM  
That's a beautiful piece.
 
2014-03-31 12:45:02 PM  
IIRC, there's some law about incorporating art into federal building projects.
 
2014-03-31 12:46:05 PM  
Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.
 
2014-03-31 12:50:34 PM  

Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.


I believe that would be Boston City Hall.
 
2014-03-31 12:56:21 PM  
oh hey, I've been to that winery. It's an amazing place.
 
2014-03-31 01:00:19 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.


That building and the plaza (designed by no other than I.M. Pei) have got to be the ugliest examples of city planning in the country.
 
2014-03-31 01:01:24 PM  

Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.


No, they should be wattle and daub huts, built by the workers on their own time
 
2014-03-31 01:22:56 PM  
Frank Stallone?
 
2014-03-31 01:23:24 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.


Boston city hall is a great example of Brutalist Architecture. I get that it's a love it or hate it thing, but I love it.
 
2014-03-31 01:34:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.

Boston city hall is a great example of Brutalist Architecture. I get that it's a love it or hate it thing, but I love it.


Really? What do you like about it? I actually think the interior is very nice. It's light and open and the colors are pleasant. But the exterior and the plaza? Oh boy...
 
2014-03-31 01:57:35 PM  

gnosis301: Frank Stallone?


This.
 
2014-03-31 02:12:21 PM  
Is this a lot? What's the average art budget for an embassy? Some context would be helpful.
 
2014-03-31 02:29:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Is this a lot? What's the average art budget for an embassy? Some context would be helpful.


According to the British tabloids the budget request for this year was $2.5 million for the department overhead and the art. I saw a figure from a few years ago that said the budget was $4.5. So if we cut the funding we could erase the debt.
 
2014-03-31 02:53:18 PM  
H-... Hitler?
 
2014-03-31 02:59:04 PM  

ginandbacon: TuteTibiImperes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.

Boston city hall is a great example of Brutalist Architecture. I get that it's a love it or hate it thing, but I love it.

Really? What do you like about it? I actually think the interior is very nice. It's light and open and the colors are pleasant. But the exterior and the plaza? Oh boy...


It looks imposing and monumental. It looks like it could shrug off a direct hit from a hurricane or a nuclear weapon.

I like the assymmetry and industrial 'fark you, this is what a building looks like' attitude it seems to have.

If I ever get to design my own house, and have the money to pull it off, I'm going to take inspiration from designs like that. All concrete, metal, and glass on the outside, with more exposed concrete, brick, and metal on the inside, with touches of wood for warmth.
 
2014-03-31 03:00:23 PM  
Cool, I don't see what the outrage is over.  I hope the Afghanis & embassy people enjoy it.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.


Ugh, it's the ugliest city hall I can imagine.
 
2014-03-31 03:03:21 PM  
I think we actually need that sculpture here in the states.  Maybe right smack dab in the middle of Wall St.
 
2014-03-31 03:04:02 PM  
Is it paid by MY TAX dollars?  because I'm the only person who's ever paid taxes ever?
 
2014-03-31 03:04:52 PM  

SphericalTime: Cool, I don't see what the outrage is over.  I hope the Afghanis & embassy people enjoy it.


What would Afghanis be doing in a US Embassy in Pakistan?

Bin Laden's family meeting with the CIA in a backroom somewhere?
 
2014-03-31 03:04:57 PM  
Least that money didn't go to those freeloading american taxpayers.
 
2014-03-31 03:07:57 PM  
If they would put one of these outside Congress, on Wall Street, and in front of every obnoxious Megachurch, I would be happy my money was going to good use.

Seems kind of a dick move to put it up in a really poor nation, though.
 
2014-03-31 03:09:40 PM  
I second the motion to put one on Wall Street.
 
2014-03-31 03:12:22 PM  
Wow, $400,000. That could have made a real dent in the national debt.
 
2014-03-31 03:12:58 PM  

DemonEater: If they would put one of these outside Congress, on Wall Street, and in front of every obnoxious Megachurch, I would be happy my money was going to good use.


Oh yes,that would be fantastic. Also I like that sculpture.
 
2014-03-31 03:14:03 PM  
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America's religious 1%'ers: Challenge accepted!
 
2014-03-31 03:14:04 PM  
I'm not sure of the wisdom of having a physical representation of a line from the New Testament in Pakistan of all places.
 
2014-03-31 03:14:41 PM  
It's the American embassy so... Also, the "Eye of a needle" reference is the gate into Jerusalem, not a frigging sewing needle.
 
2014-03-31 03:14:48 PM  
So first I thought, "Corrupt Pakistani officials?  That's kind of sad, but not surprising."  Then I saw the headline and thought, "The US government was further bilked for some bullshiat art scam?  That's terrible."  Then I saw it was for the US embassy and I was just relieved because I know we already pay inordinate amounts of money to what is essentially a criminal government in Pakistan to keep them from self-destructing in a way that gets mud on our shoes.

Someone needs their outrage level assessment recalibrated and I'm not sure if it's me or smitty.
 
2014-03-31 03:14:49 PM  
And I should have read the article first....

(Like the Bible, the Qur'an uses the metaphor of a camel passing through the eye of a needle.)
 
2014-03-31 03:15:48 PM  

ginandbacon: TuteTibiImperes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.

Boston city hall is a great example of Brutalist Architecture. I get that it's a love it or hate it thing, but I love it.

Really? What do you like about it? I actually think the interior is very nice. It's light and open and the colors are pleasant. But the exterior and the plaza? Oh boy...


I like it too.  It's overbearing and imposing and oh so cold but it's a hell of a lot more creative than most government buildings are what with the completely backwards tender process that rewards low bids over good design.
 
2014-03-31 03:16:48 PM  
Benghazi?
 
2014-03-31 03:18:17 PM  
feministfiction.com

Stick them with the pointy end?
 
2014-03-31 03:20:27 PM  
This has got to be a premature April 1 gag article.

Expensive art...check
At an embassy...check
Of a poor country...check
Of a Christian allegory...check
In a Muslim nation...check
In bad taste...check

This cannot be real. It is trolling.
 
2014-03-31 03:20:28 PM  

dobro: It's the American embassy so... Also, the "Eye of a needle" reference is the gate into Jerusalem, not a frigging sewing needle.


Nope.  That's a bunch of prosperity gospel BS that's been around for centuries so that Christians could ignore Christ's admonitions to give up their worldly possessions if they wanted salvation.
 
2014-03-31 03:20:46 PM  
I, for one, am outraged! How dare they divert funding from that guy over there with the executioner's axe, the guy with the bag of adultery stones, or pakistan's robust nuclear weapons program slash better coffee maker project?!
 
2014-03-31 03:20:59 PM  
I am still really not sure about the commissioning of this piece - unless it's some sort of "stimulate the local economy" thing, it doesn't seem all that wise an expenditure.

seriously, can anyone defend it?
 
2014-03-31 03:21:04 PM  

kidgenius: SphericalTime: Cool, I don't see what the outrage is over.  I hope the Afghanis & embassy people enjoy it.

What would Afghanis be doing in a US Embassy in Pakistan?

Bin Laden's family meeting with the CIA in a backroom somewhere?


Whoops. My bad.
 
2014-03-31 03:21:44 PM  
Cute toes.
 
2014-03-31 03:21:47 PM  
I've got "Government Center" by the Modern Lovers stuck in my head and this thread is to blame.
 
2014-03-31 03:22:02 PM  

Pincy: I think we actually need that sculpture here in the states.  Maybe right smack dab in the middle of Wall St.


Or on Capitol Hill.
 
2014-03-31 03:23:00 PM  
Is it the John W. Heyward foundation?
 
2014-03-31 03:23:02 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-31 03:23:04 PM  

dobro: Also, the "Eye of a needle" reference is the gate into Jerusalem, not a frigging sewing needle.


No it doesn't.  That's a lie that wealthy "christians" tell themselves so that they can safely ignore the words of their supposed-saviour.  "Camel through the eye of a needle" is a metaphor used in older Hebrew works to mean "impossible".

http://thepaperthinhymn.com/2009/11/02/the-myth-of-the-eye-of-the-ne ed le/

http://www.biblicalhebrew.com/nt/camelneedle.htm
 
2014-03-31 03:23:07 PM  

dobro: It's the American embassy so... Also, the "Eye of a needle" reference is the gate into Jerusalem, not a frigging sewing needle.


Lol. No it's not. That's a lie made up by modern Christians to weasel out of Jesus's teachings on wealth.
 
2014-03-31 03:24:02 PM  

dobro: It's the American embassy so... Also, the "Eye of a needle" reference is the gate into Jerusalem, not a frigging sewing needle.


This is post is bad and you should feel bad.

First: Doesn't matter.  The point was the same, that greed and riches are a hindrance to piety and righteousness.  Period.  End of story.

Second: There is literally NO archaeological or historical evidence backing that story up.  None at all.  It was made up by Prosperity Gospel farktards trying to excuse their embarrassment of riches and gets repeated by people trying to excuse greed.

Third: It seems pretty obvious that any such argument would be desperate quibbling and qualifying to excuse the sin of greed and, therefore, a sin in itself.  But I don't know, critical thinking skills seem to have large gaps where theists and piety are concerned.
 
2014-03-31 03:26:14 PM  

madgonad: This has got to be a premature April 1 gag article.

Expensive art...check
At an embassy...check
Of a poor country...check
Of a Christian allegory...check
In a Muslim nation...check
In bad taste...check

This cannot be real. It is trolling.


It's also a muslim allegory.
 
2014-03-31 03:27:54 PM  
Meanwhile in reality

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-31 03:28:00 PM  
I guess that makes up for killing Osama and those pesky drone strikes we fire off about once a month.
 
2014-03-31 03:28:41 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: TuteTibiImperes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rincewind53: Yeah, art is expensive, better to just have all American government buildings be concrete boxes with no ornamentation and no color.

I believe that would be Boston City Hall.

Boston city hall is a great example of Brutalist Architecture. I get that it's a love it or hate it thing, but I love it.

Really? What do you like about it? I actually think the interior is very nice. It's light and open and the colors are pleasant. But the exterior and the plaza? Oh boy...

It looks imposing and monumental. It looks like it could shrug off a direct hit from a hurricane or a nuclear weapon.

I like the assymmetry and industrial 'fark you, this is what a building looks like' attitude it seems to have.

If I ever get to design my own house, and have the money to pull it off, I'm going to take inspiration from designs like that. All concrete, metal, and glass on the outside, with more exposed concrete, brick, and metal on the inside, with touches of wood for warmth.


That makes sense to me. I love concrete as a material. It reminds me of adobe in some ways. And I love the different surfaces you can get with it, but some many modern architects use it really badly in a residential environment. I'd like to see someone take the lessons from Christopher Alexander and update them instead of always riffing off Le Corbusier. I've seen a lot of straw bale homes that aren't very traditional but still feel homey.

Like this:

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Concrete houses often seem to lack whimsey and practicality. Also, all those farking walls of windows make you really uncomfortable at night and make positioning furniture challenging.
 
2014-03-31 03:29:04 PM  

dobro: It's the American embassy so... Also, the "Eye of a needle" reference is the gate into Jerusalem, not a frigging sewing needle.


No, it isn't. That's a myth people came up with to feel better about being rich and Christian. It has no historical basis.

Remember, Jesus also talked about a guy criticizing his brother for having a speck in his eye, when the guy had a beam/log in his own eye. Hyperbole and metaphor WAS THE POINT, there wasn't a guy literally wandering around with an entire damn tree sticking out of his face.
 
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