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(Western Journalism)   Spokane coffee shop offers a new drink named Acute Failure of the Victim Selection Process   (westernjournalism.com) divider line 54
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2014-03-31 02:38:20 PM  
You know who else was a cute failure?

Sarah Palin, that's who.
 
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2014-03-31 02:53:14 PM  
I would have read that article instead of watching it, but there was no article.
 
2014-03-31 03:46:22 PM  
Hope that works out better than it sounds like it might
 
2014-03-31 03:56:51 PM  
You know, I would rather lose the money in the coffee shop's till than to point a gun at an armed criminal, but that's just my logic talking. Continue fapping to guns.
 
2014-03-31 03:57:36 PM  
My God. It's finally happened.

Someone took all those "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:@AOL.COM" chain emails your grandmother believed, and made a blog out of them.

cdn.lotoflaughters.com
 
2014-03-31 03:57:40 PM  
Stay classy, Spokompton.
 
2014-03-31 03:58:36 PM  
Is that headline supposed to mean something to me?
 
2014-03-31 04:00:08 PM  
Hero tag, because we don't have a Vigilante one?

Hey, they can pack heat. That's fine. They aren't heroes until they take down the meth-riddled robbers.

/I'm a big fan of rifle whippings
//"Gimme all the mon... ooff..."
///then pick the schmuck's pockets but put it in the till
 
2014-03-31 04:00:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: My God. It's finally happened.

Someone took all those "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:@AOL.COM" chain emails your grandmother believed, and made a blog out of them.

[cdn.lotoflaughters.com image 600x455]


It's called Free Republic, too.
 
2014-03-31 04:03:29 PM  
The redhead owner's eyebrows would be enough to send even the most hardened criminal running away in fear.
 
2014-03-31 04:07:40 PM  

Dragonflew: You know, I would rather lose the money in the coffee shop's till than to point a gun at an armed criminal, but that's just my logic talking. Continue fapping to guns.


Why? I've been assured numerous times that responsible gun owners never experience accidental discharges, and their bullets magically only target people who really, really deserve it.
 
2014-03-31 04:07:57 PM  
We won't be safe until everyone is pointing a gun at everyone, all the time.
 
2014-03-31 04:13:32 PM  
So the coffee shop owner announced to any criminal desperate enough to steal from this coffee shop, or any coffee shop really, to shoot first, then rob?

Jesus Christ people, it's like why you don't open carry.  Sure you can open carry in many places, but you don't because in the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY event something goes down and you don't piss your pants in fear first, you're a nice easy first target.
 
2014-03-31 04:14:40 PM  

clkeagle: Dragonflew: You know, I would rather lose the money in the coffee shop's till than to point a gun at an armed criminal, but that's just my logic talking. Continue fapping to guns.

Why? I've been assured numerous times that responsible gun owners never experience accidental discharges, and their bullets magically target only people who really, really deserve it.


But only when legitimate?
 
2014-03-31 04:16:32 PM  
I grew up in Spokane and though it's a nice city, there are places where I would concealed carry if I had to work there. Glad the management at Jitters are being proactive, everyone has a right to be safe.
i45.tinypic.com
/Also, avoid Brown's Edition, that's the sex offender release point...and coincidentally where many poor single mothers live.
 
2014-03-31 04:18:57 PM  

Dragonflew: Continue fapping to guns.


Gun control..  NOT A FETISH!!
 
2014-03-31 04:19:27 PM  

AspectRatio: We won't be safe until everyone is pointing a gun at everyone, all the time.

 
Mexican American Standoff!
 
2014-03-31 04:20:47 PM  

flyarmy: I grew up in Spokane and though it's a nice city, there are places where I would concealed carry if I had to work there. Glad the management at Jitters are being proactive, everyone has a right to be safe.
[i45.tinypic.com image 850x466]
/Also, avoid Brown's Edition, that's the sex offender release point...and coincidentally where many poor single mothers live.


There be dragons?
 
2014-03-31 04:27:27 PM  
 
2014-03-31 04:31:38 PM  

flyarmy: I grew up in Spokane and though it's a nice city, there are places where I would concealed carry if I had to work there. Glad the management at Jitters are being proactive, everyone has a right to be safe.

/Also, avoid Brown's Edition, that's the sex offender release point...and coincidentally where many poor single mothers live.


Being from Yakima, I think your map should just include most parts of eastern Washington.
 
2014-03-31 04:35:44 PM  
Gun owners sure love their strap-ons.
 
2014-03-31 04:35:53 PM  

CygnusDarius: hardinparamedic: My God. It's finally happened.

Someone took all those "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:@AOL.COM" chain emails your grandmother believed, and made a blog out of them.

[cdn.lotoflaughters.com image 600x455]

It's called Free Republic, too.


WesternJournalism.com is a blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters by the Western Center for Journalism

In 1997, Farah created the news website WorldNetDaily as a division of the Western Journalism Center. In 1999, WorldNetDaily was spun off as a for-profit division of the Center. The Center and Farah own a majority of WorldNetDaily's stock.
The Center doesn't include either an address or telephone number on its letterhead, but is believed to be headed by conservative author, speaker and media commentator Floyd Brown.

Floyd Brown is a political innovator, writer and speaker.
His latest book,  Obama Enemies List: How Barack Obama Intimidated America and Stole the Election,was released in January 2013.

From 1988 until 2006, Floyd was the founding chairman of Citizens United. The organization, under his leadership, grew to be the largest conservative citizen advocacy group in America. They launched the movement that led to the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

Floyd's topics include: "Ronald Reagan: His Faith Changed the World", "How To Blog for Influence and Income", "Romans 13: Obey God or Government?" and "How To Protect Your Prosperity in The Face of Government Malfeasance."

your fuzzy little nutbag of a blog... sucks.
 
2014-03-31 04:50:08 PM  
Do they know how to use their firearm?
Do they practice drawing from the holster?
Do they practice shooting regularly?

/DNWTFV
 
2014-03-31 04:51:12 PM  
founder of World Nut Daily... and this silly citizen/journalist blog...Joseph Francis Farah, 57, of Centreville, Va.,

In 2010, Farah boycotted the Conservative Political Action Conference, the right's most important annual shindig, because it included an LGBT Republican group. He held his own conservative conference instead. Its lineup was a "Who's Who" of far-right luminaries including U.S. Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.), former "Saturday Night Live" cast member Victoria Jackson, former U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), anti-gay hate group leader and Christian Reconstructionist theologian Gary DeMar, and R.C. Sproul Jr., a mover-and-shaker in the theocratic Christian "patriarchy" movement and a prominent advocate of homeschooling.

Farah's own formula for revolution is simple: Turn on, tune in, and drop out. "Find a good reliable source of news - like WorldNetDaily.com - and be informed." Buy guns - "more than you think you need." (He notes these are for self-defense and to "preserve freedom.") And above all, withdraw your children from "government schools," those "indoctrination centers" and "brainwashing hubs" run by "statists who seek to steal our children and make a mockery of the family."
 
2014-03-31 04:59:51 PM  
Ah Spokane. Where class meets ass.
 
2014-03-31 05:02:19 PM  
It's high time someone would stick up to Starbuck's "no guns please" policy.
 
2014-03-31 05:03:27 PM  

Dragonflew: You know, I would rather lose the money in the coffee shop's till than to point a gun at an armed criminal, but that's just my logic talking. Continue fapping to guns.


Spoken like a true anti-gun, Starbuck's patronizing Farker.

/How is your Prius running?
 
2014-03-31 05:10:42 PM  
Acute Failure Of The Victim Selection Process

Is it just me or is that the name of a ship from an Iain M Banks novel?
 
2014-03-31 05:17:23 PM  

flyarmy: I grew up in Spokane and though it's a nice city, there are places where I would concealed carry if I had to work there. Glad the management at Jitters are being proactive, everyone has a right to be safe.
[i45.tinypic.com image 850x466]
/Also, avoid Brown's Edition, that's the sex offender release point...and coincidentally where many poor single mothers live.


Yeah, Millwood, where all the hardened thugs be, in their middle class homes with yards and fences and RVs parked in their shops....

And don't know how long it's been since you've been there, but Browne's Addition is becoming very hipster, very quickly.  It's the new Perry District.
 
2014-03-31 05:18:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Stay classy, Spokompton.


Whoa, hold on everybody, we've got a 206 badass here.  Stop the thread.  He's got something insightful to add.
 
2014-03-31 06:05:03 PM  

Dragonflew: You know, I would rather lose the money in the coffee shop's till than to point a gun at an armed criminal, but that's just my logic talking. Continue fapping to guns.


If there were any logic to that, you might have a point.

But since there isn't, I'll go with the gun.

/You're talking about an armed criminal.  You have no idea if he's going to take the money and go, or take the money and shoot you anyway.
//If somebody is armed and trying to rob me, I'm not going to just point the gun.
 
2014-03-31 06:11:18 PM  

meat0918: you're a nice easy first target.


Do you have any evidence at all that this is what happens when people carry openly, or did you just make an assumption and run with it?
 
2014-03-31 06:29:10 PM  
When survivalists write blogs. Looks like we need to up the lithium load in Spokane's water supply
 
2014-03-31 06:32:46 PM  
I think it's more about being a deterrent. Your average criminal is looking for the easy and quick buck, not a fight.

There is a guy who owns a little deli/check cashing/store next to the projects here in town, he and his guys all open carry while working. As far as I can remember nobody has been shot and his store has never been robbed, while the fast food joints down the street a few blocks get hit every few months.

/Anecdotal evidence is anectodal
 
2014-03-31 06:57:22 PM  

meat0918: So the coffee shop owner announced to any criminal desperate enough to steal from this coffee shop, or any coffee shop really, to shoot first, then rob?

Jesus Christ people, it's like why you don't open carry.  Sure you can open carry in many places, but you don't because in the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY event something goes down and you don't piss your pants in fear first, you're a nice easy first target.


Follow up: barista shot by own gun during robbery
 
2014-03-31 08:00:03 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: meat0918: you're a nice easy first target.

Do you have any evidence at all that this is what happens when people carry openly, or did you just make an assumption and run with it?


No, I was told that very forcefully at the gun store when asking about him about open carry laws.  He said I  was stupid to consider it, since I'd be making myself a target for both cops and "gangbangers".
 
2014-03-31 08:47:08 PM  
According to one of the last comments in the video, the barista won't use her gun until she has one pointing at her.

I'd like to see that, because in my N=1 experience, when that happens, the average person (of which I consider myself, and like her, I grew up with teh guns) is up shiat creek and any move can get them shot unless they have the speed and appropriate barriers to avoid being hit. Especially when that move is reaching for their own safely-stored holstered sidearm, open-carried or not.

Now, if she means that she will come to the aid of a coworker facing the business end, she might be able to make that work. But drawing your own while being held at gunpoint? Nope.
 
2014-03-31 08:56:41 PM  

TwiztidDream: According to one of the last comments in the video, the barista won't use her gun until she has one pointing at her.

.Now, if she means that she will come to the aid of a coworker facing the business end, she might be able to make that work. But drawing your own while being held at gunpoint? Nope.

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They may as well put the money into some cameras that can get the license plate of the car and a pic of the perp. It would be cheaper, insurance-wise, and cost less in HUMAN LIVES. Duh. Let them have the 78 bucks in the cash register. Why start a shootout?
 
2014-03-31 09:26:28 PM  
rbuzby:  They may as well put the money into some cameras that can get the license plate of the car and a pic of the perp. It would be cheaper, insurance-wise, and cost less in HUMAN LIVES. Duh. Let them have the 78 bucks in the cash register. Why start a shootout?

Not sure why you're rating my opinion a "zero" when I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone who says that, while this may be a DETERRENT, it will pretty much be useless if/when things come down to the wire.

Had I been armed when I was stood up, believe me when I say that something stupid would have gone down, and it probably would have started with my reaching for my sidearm. I was the only employee in the store with no one to help me. It was not time for heroics. Boss installed fake cameras after that, and so far I haven't heard that the place (even though it's moved several locations) has had trouble.
 
2014-03-31 09:43:21 PM  
ts4.mm.bing.net
This will end well.
 
2014-03-31 10:24:13 PM  
I they have insurance their insurer will probably tell them "lose the guns or pay a higher premium".

// I once worked at a company that had armed security guards until they were disarmed after having too many accidental discharges, however I don't know if this disarming was demanded by insurance.
 
2014-03-31 10:48:13 PM  

meat0918: So the coffee shop owner announced to any criminal desperate enough to steal from this coffee shop, or any coffee shop really, to shoot first, then rob?

Jesus Christ people, it's like why you don't open carry.  Sure you can open carry in many places, but you don't because in the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY event something goes down and you don't piss your pants in fear first, you're a nice easy first target.


I think the bigger problem is that now they'll break in or rob the place and demand the gun, which is probably worth several times whatever's in the register. On the other hand, it might keep garden-variety junkies away. Take the good with the bad.
 
2014-04-01 12:03:22 AM  
Lots of stupidity in this thread.
 
2014-04-01 02:00:24 AM  

TwiztidDream: rbuzby:  They may as well put the money into some cameras that can get the license plate of the car and a pic of the perp. It would be cheaper, insurance-wise, and cost less in HUMAN LIVES. Duh. Let them have the 78 bucks in the cash register. Why start a shootout?

Not sure why you're rating my opinion a "zero" when I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone who says that, while this may be a DETERRENT, it will pretty much be useless if/when things come down to the wire.

Had I been armed when I was stood up, believe me when I say that something stupid would have gone down, and it probably would have started with my reaching for my sidearm. I was the only employee in the store with no one to help me. It was not time for heroics. Boss installed fake cameras after that, and so far I haven't heard that the place (even though it's moved several locations) has had trouble.


1) Sometimes they kill not to leave witnesses

2) Just because you're armed (CC) doesn't mean you have to use it.
 
2014-04-01 10:20:21 AM  

meat0918: Noticeably F.A.T.: meat0918: you're a nice easy first target.

Do you have any evidence at all that this is what happens when people carry openly, or did you just make an assumption and run with it?

No, I was told that very forcefully at the gun store when asking about him about open carry laws.  He said I  was stupid to consider it, since I'd be making myself a target for both cops and "gangbangers".


Ask whoever told you that if he has any evidence. You'll get one of two responses, either he won't have any thing beyond "everyone know that's how it works", or he'll know a guy who knows a guy who was targeted.

The closest to the truth the guy got is that most cops don't like OC (which is odd, statistically speaking they are the last people they need to worry about), but nobody is going to shoot you first in a bank robbery if you OC. It just. Doesn't. Happen. Quite the opposite, in fact. Criminals tend to be a cowardly bunch, and they have as much as an aversion to getting shot as anyone else, and have a tendency to just walk away and find a softer target.

A lot of people will say they like the element of surprise you have with CC. Personally, I say fark the element of surprise. It's awesome if you plan on attacking, but if you are on defense whoever looks strongest is the last to be attacked. I'd rather forestall an incident in the first place than hope I can react in time.
 
2014-04-01 11:24:35 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: A lot of people will say they like the element of surprise you have with CC. Personally, I say fark the element of surprise. It's awesome if you plan on attacking, but if you are on defense whoever looks strongest is the last to be attacked. I'd rather forestall an incident in the first place than hope I can react in time


We had a guy try to pull a Zimmerman last night and almost get shot by the sheriff department for his troubles. Driving around with open carry, bullet proof vest, and drunk.
 
2014-04-01 01:17:48 PM  

hardinparamedic: We had a guy try to pull a Zimmerman last night and almost get shot by the sheriff department for his troubles. Driving around with open carry, bullet proof vest, and drunk.


That really isn't the same thing at all.
 
2014-04-01 01:25:11 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: That really isn't the same thing at all.


It is when he told the cops he was looking for "prowlers" as a reason for doing so.

As an aside, everyone I know who carries does so concealed. There are a few people I'm aware of that will open carry. Their attitudes make me want to stay far away from them, because IMO experience, they're the ones likely to shoot first.
 
2014-04-01 01:33:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: It is when he told the cops he was looking for "prowlers" as a reason for doing so.


He was going to be targeted by the police OC or not. You could say OC made it somewhat more likely, but that's all. It's not a great example to back up the original statement "OC will make you a target for cops and criminals".

hardinparamedic: As an aside, everyone I know who carries does so concealed. There are a few people I'm aware of that will open carry. Their attitudes make me want to stay far away from them, because IMO experience, they're the ones likely to shoot first.


My experience has been the exact opposite. The OC guys have generally been cool, and the CC guys are the ones who seem to be itching to be a hero. I suspect that has much less to do with OC vs CC, and more to do with who I hang out with. The folks I wanted to hang out with happened to OC, and the jackasses I've run into and was forced to be around just happened to CC.
 
2014-04-01 01:41:05 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: My experience has been the exact opposite. The OC guys have generally been cool, and the CC guys are the ones who seem to be itching to be a hero. I suspect that has much less to do with OC vs CC, and more to do with who I hang out with. The folks I wanted to hang out with happened to OC, and the jackasses I've run into and was forced to be around just happened to CC.


True. Correllation and Causation, and all that.
 
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