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(Times of Israel)   Egyptian proposes suing Israel for damages from biblical 10 plagues. Israel to counter sue for back wages from 400 years of slavery   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 119
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2014-03-31 11:20:58 AM
Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.
 
2014-03-31 11:31:30 AM
Isn't there a statute of limitations? I know there is no limit for murder but after a couple of thousand years who exactly can you prosecute?
 
2014-03-31 01:16:28 PM

Delawheredad: Isn't there a statute of limitations?


www.personal.psu.edu
 
2014-03-31 01:53:39 PM

Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.


Slavery is a myth then, huh?
 
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2014-03-31 02:04:11 PM
I thought you couldn't sue over acts of god.
 
2014-03-31 02:10:14 PM
I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.
 
2014-03-31 02:15:19 PM
I think it would be excellent watching attorney's for either side trying to prove that these events actually happened.

Amicus briefs in support of both sides from the Catholic Church?
 
2014-03-31 02:16:01 PM
*attorneys

(must preview)
 
2014-03-31 02:16:03 PM

RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.


2nd class citizens yes. Slaves, no.  Some even believe that the Jews were a large part of the Egyptian army.  Nobody cares if your inferior citizens get slaughtered as long as it means your side still get to pillage afterwards.
 
2014-03-31 02:16:36 PM

RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.


Secretly replace evidence of Jewish slavery in Egypt with fake dinosaur bones this week on "Satan's Shenanigans!"
 
2014-03-31 02:16:36 PM

gopher321: Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.

Slavery is a myth then, huh?


I'm not privy to the exact historical details of the Hebrew enslavement in Egypt, but I am certain that it wasn't 400 years.
 
2014-03-31 02:17:14 PM
So let it be written. So let it be done.

Link
 
2014-03-31 02:18:23 PM

RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.


And good luck proving the 10 plagues happened, or were "caused" by the Israelites. Anyway, don't insurance carriers refuse to pay for Acts of God?
 
2014-03-31 02:19:18 PM

Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.


Id sue Israel for disrupting the red sea - that sort of environmental terrorism should not be tolerated.
 
2014-03-31 02:19:25 PM
If Egypt sues, isn't that a tacit admission that the Jehovah is real?
 
2014-03-31 02:20:18 PM

Smeggy Smurf: RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

2nd class citizens yes. Slaves, no.  Some even believe that the Jews were a large part of the Egyptian army.  Nobody cares if your inferior citizens get slaughtered as long as it means your side still get to pillage afterwards.


I can't recall where, but I read/heard some guy's theory that they were a tribe that roamed about offering mercenary services. They became a threat and were told to hit the bricks.
 
2014-03-31 02:21:11 PM
A good Muslim would accept whatever the Almighty did to Egypt. As they say "Inshallah"
 
2014-03-31 02:21:15 PM

Diogenes: Delawheredad: Isn't there a statute of limitations?

[www.personal.psu.edu image 448x540]


www.binnallofamerica.com   sue obama!
he's a clone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkS51wR8LiI
 
2014-03-31 02:21:18 PM

Banned on the Run: If Egypt sues, isn't that a tacit admission that the Jehovah is real?


They already think he's real, they just call him Allah and xtians call him God.  They just differ on the finer details of who else is important and how important they are.


I thought I was reading an Onion article there..... absurd.
 
2014-03-31 02:21:24 PM

LoneWolf343: gopher321: Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.

Slavery is a myth then, huh?

I'm not privy to the exact historical details of the Hebrew enslavement in Egypt, but I am certain that it wasn't 400 years.


Well, to be technical, the account has them living in Egypt for 400 years (from Joseph's time through Moses), not that they were slaves for 400 years.
 
2014-03-31 02:21:28 PM
Ah, the Times of Israel, where would we be without your special flavor of derp?
 
2014-03-31 02:22:03 PM
That's farking hilarious. It means that for starters this dumb journalist is suggesting that the Jewish god is real, and that they're his chosen people - basically unwittingly saying he believes in their religion. Second, he's suggesting they'd even be able to prove that the fictional account in the bible is true, which isn't going to be possible.... which basically puts him in the position of insisting that judeo-christianity end up be exposed in court as a fiction.

He really hasn't thought his clever plan all the way through.
 
2014-03-31 02:22:42 PM

Smeggy Smurf: RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

2nd class citizens yes. Slaves, no.  Some even believe that the Jews were a large part of the Egyptian army.  Nobody cares if your inferior citizens get slaughtered as long as it means your side still get to pillage afterwards.


More than that - there were no records (the Egyptians were meticulous record keepers) or archaeological evidence that the Israelites described in Exodus (600,000 adult men, not including the women and children) were ever in Egypt.
 
2014-03-31 02:24:09 PM
gopher321:

Slavery is a myth then, huh?

The entire book of Exodus in the Old Testament is a fabrication, with zero supporting evidence. So, yes, mass enslavement of Jews by Egypt is a myth.
 
2014-03-31 02:24:49 PM

MrPleasant: LoneWolf343: gopher321: Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.

Slavery is a myth then, huh?

I'm not privy to the exact historical details of the Hebrew enslavement in Egypt, but I am certain that it wasn't 400 years.

Well, to be technical, the account has them living in Egypt for 400 years (from Joseph's time through Moses), not that they were slaves for 400 years.


There in NO Archeological evidence of an Egyptian captivity.Zero.
 
2014-03-31 02:25:37 PM

whither_apophis: RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

Secretly replace evidence of Jewish slavery in Egypt with fake dinosaur bones this week on "Satan's Shenanigans!"


So amazing how Satan has so many abilities and powers! He can influence you, create stuff, cause evil... all despite it stating explicitely in Job that he can do NOTHING without God and that he asked God to do it because he couldn't. It's almost as if they are admitting there is more than one God.. that Satan.. is.. a.... God.
 
2014-03-31 02:25:41 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Slaves, no. Some even believe that the Jews were a large part of the Egyptian army.


Those aren't exclusive concepts. Much of the later Spartan army was made up of slaves.
 
2014-03-31 02:25:59 PM
Suing Israel for the plagues is like suing George Washington for chopping down a cherry tree.
 
2014-03-31 02:26:51 PM
As an Anglo, I'm still pissed at the Saxons...
 
2014-03-31 02:26:57 PM
"For what is written in the Torah proves that it was Pharaoh who oppressed the children of Israel, rather than the Egyptian people," Gamal continued, "

By this logic Egypt should sue God. God sent the plagues. I wouldn't want to be the one delivering that subpoena.
 
2014-03-31 02:27:13 PM
Where is that Tatsuma fellow?  Is he gone?
 
2014-03-31 02:27:53 PM
Tymast:
[www.binnallofamerica.com image 320x226]   sue obama!
he's a clone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkS51wR8LiI


Thank you for that link. Does he qualify as a birther?
 
2014-03-31 02:29:26 PM
So, what are the odds that any aspect of this story is in any way based on fact? Other than "Egypt" and "Israel" being countries.
 
2014-03-31 02:29:42 PM
Suing us for the 10 Plagues?  10 more plagues for you!
 
2014-03-31 02:30:32 PM
How much did Romans lose after the fall?  How about a fall of %60 in quality of life, across the board? Are we prepared to accept this? Has man evolved the capability of destroying himself?

He's kind of right;

we can't be certain; if you're asking the right set of questions for yourself.
 
2014-03-31 02:31:14 PM

guytoronto: gopher321:

Slavery is a myth then, huh?

The entire book of Exodus in the Old Testament is a fabrication, with zero supporting evidence. So, yes, mass enslavement of Jews by Egypt is a myth.


I wouldn't go so far as to call it a fabrication.  I'd call it a significantly embellished tale.  The historical aspets/records of the book are the only thing I give any weight to. (not that they are all accurate of course)

HotWingConspiracy: ... offering mercenary services. They became a threat and were told to hit the bricks.


If any of their military history is to be believed they were an absolute terror force in the entire region.  According to the Jews, Jehovah pretty much made it open season on almost every other people in the area.  Nothing like deity-sanctioned genocide to remind you of an all-loving God, huh?
 
2014-03-31 02:31:50 PM

Arkanaut: So, what are the odds that any aspect of this story is in any way based on fact? Other than "Egypt" and "Israel" being countries.


"Israel" is an illegitimate occupier of Palestine with no right to exist, not a country.  Please keep up.
 
2014-03-31 02:32:46 PM
Meh, Britain should charge Egypt for the 72 years they wasted trying to improve the place.
 
2014-03-31 02:33:03 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: whither_apophis: RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

Secretly replace evidence of Jewish slavery in Egypt with fake dinosaur bones this week on "Satan's Shenanigans!"

So amazing how Satan has so many abilities and powers! He can influence you, create stuff, cause evil... all despite it stating explicitely in Job that he can do NOTHING without God and that he asked God to do it because he couldn't. It's almost as if they are admitting there is more than one God.. that Satan.. is.. a.... God.


an all-loving deity cannot be responsible for creation an entity responsible for all the evil in existence.  It's like a Venn diagram with zero overlap.
 
2014-03-31 02:33:31 PM

Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.


Burden of proof much lower in civil case.
 
2014-03-31 02:34:52 PM
Early April Fools?
 
2014-03-31 02:35:09 PM

RexTalionis: Smeggy Smurf: RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

2nd class citizens yes. Slaves, no.  Some even believe that the Jews were a large part of the Egyptian army.  Nobody cares if your inferior citizens get slaughtered as long as it means your side still get to pillage afterwards.

More than that - there were no records (the Egyptians were meticulous record keepers) or archaeological evidence that the Israelites described in Exodus (600,000 adult men, not including the women and children) were ever in Egypt.


That is true, though there are a couple mentions of a group that resembles the ancient Israelis, but theat group would not have been anywhere near that big, and probably weren't really slaves.
 
2014-03-31 02:36:09 PM
Can you sue for Acts of God?
 
2014-03-31 02:36:18 PM

stuffy: Dinki: Given that neither of those things (The Plagues or the 400 years of slavery) happened, I'd call it a wash.

Burden of proof much lower in civil case.


The things is if essentially Muslim countries start to do crap like that, then aren't they basically admitting Israelis have dibs on the Holy Land due to divine right?
 
2014-03-31 02:36:35 PM

This text is now purple: Smeggy Smurf: Slaves, no. Some even believe that the Jews were a large part of the Egyptian army.

Those aren't exclusive concepts. Much of the later Spartan army was made up of slaves.


(ok, that's been taken care of)
 
2014-03-31 02:37:43 PM
Okay, now see this? This is a four-way road, okay? And dead in the center, is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. Now at the end of each of the streets, are four people, okay? You following? Up here, we got a male-affectionate, easy-to-get-along-with, no political agenda lesbian. Okay? Now down here, we have a money-grubbing, weaselly lawyer. To this side, we got Santa Claus, right? And over to this side - Moses. Which one's going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?...
 
2014-03-31 02:39:58 PM

SquiggsIN: Princess Ryans Knickers: whither_apophis: RexTalionis: I think it's a given with archaeologists that there is essentially zero archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

Secretly replace evidence of Jewish slavery in Egypt with fake dinosaur bones this week on "Satan's Shenanigans!"

So amazing how Satan has so many abilities and powers! He can influence you, create stuff, cause evil... all despite it stating explicitely in Job that he can do NOTHING without God and that he asked God to do it because he couldn't. It's almost as if they are admitting there is more than one God.. that Satan.. is.. a.... God.

an all-loving deity cannot be responsible for creation an entity responsible for all the evil in existence.  It's like a Venn diagram with zero overlap.


What confuses me about Satan and Hell is the idea that it's an unpleasant place, and that Satan is busy torturing all those "lost souls."
After all, don't you get condemned to Hell for breaking God's rules? Why should that piss off Satan? That's what he got kicked out for. I figure he's all "Welcome to the club! Have a cold one! The luau starts in 15 minutes!"
Hell is probably like Key West with better beaches, no bar tabs, and no mosquitos
 
2014-03-31 02:40:23 PM

SquiggsIN: I'd call it a significantly embellished tale. The historical aspets/records of the book are the only thing I give any weight to. (not that they are all accurate of course)


But based on archaeological evidence, very little of the details in Exodus were particularly accurate.

1) There was no historical records or evidence of the population of Israelites living in Egypt.
2) There were no historical records or evidence of some sort of catastrophe which coincides with the plagues.
3) The settlements in the Sinai desert used by the Israelites near Egypt were, in reality, relatively recent settlements.
4) The cities "built" by the Israelites in Exodus were built in completely different time frames.
5) The camels mentioned in Exodus weren't domesticated until way later.

The only accurate parts about Exodus were some cities which were identified, but it's way more likely it was described by somebody way after the fact.
 
2014-03-31 02:41:03 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Tymast:
[www.binnallofamerica.com image 320x226]   sue obama!
he's a clone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkS51wR8LiI

Thank you for that link. Does he qualify as a birther?

I suppose that he is an offshoot of it, I sure hope Issa investigates this one too!
 
2014-03-31 02:42:16 PM

Gwyrddu: Okay, now see this? This is a four-way road, okay? And dead in the center, is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. Now at the end of each of the streets, are four people, okay? You following? Up here, we got a male-affectionate, easy-to-get-along-with, no political agenda lesbian. Okay? Now down here, we have a money-grubbing, weaselly lawyer. To this side, we got Santa Claus, right? And over to this side - Moses. Which one's going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?...


The Easter Bunny?
 
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