Carn: It's awesome that you can work your whole life, paying insurance premiums and making them oodles of money, and then finally when you get really sick and need real care they kick you to the curb and piss on your head and then people cheer them for it.
Launch Code: barry has been focused like a laser beam on his signature scheme for about 5 years. That's why obamacare is so great. Yes lies were told about keeping your plan, keeping your doctor, saving you money, costing under a trillion at only 900 billion. The most transparent administration can't tell anyone how many obamacare sign ups actually paid, how many signups are young/healthy types, how many signups got kicked off plans and had to get obamacare. This is because most Americans are too stupid to understand how great obamacare is. It has to be great because barry has been telling us how great it is for years. Dems only had to spend about 600 million tax dollars promoting it. That's less than 600 Super Bowl commercials. That alone should tell you how great obamacare is. It's darn near perfect if you ask me. It's so great that every single democrat in congress voted for obamacare. That includes all the Senators up for reelection in the fall of 2014. They wouldn't support this knowing their cushy political careers were in jeopardy if it wasn't great.Get your lazy selves in gear and sign up for this free healthcare. It only costs about $250 - $1000 a month. Think of it as paying your fair share.If you don't sign up, then you're a RACIST!
Chris Ween: f I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance. How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others
Aldon: 6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.Thanks Obama!
mrshowrules: DamnYankees: So the site was down or a few minutes and its a headline?Obama lied. He will always betray you. The Obamacare implosion continues./amidoingitirght
sritzhaupt: [img.fark.net image 402x337]
Epic Fap Session: I just went to healthcare.gov and now my screen says, "WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS!" in what appears to be lipstick.
Level5: Well this is what Im seeing when I try to login. Cool stuff, thanks obama.[img.fark.net image 800x346]
Witty_Retort: coffeeplease: Waiting patiently to see the $2,500 in cost savings Obama promised I would see.Considering your comments, I doubt you are an Average American./i saved only $2,200 per year, so Obama is a big fat poopyhead liar.
Rincewind53: Um, it works perfectly fine.
Chris Ween: James!: Chris Ween: Government optionYou know, they tried to include that. Those folks you vote for decided it was a back door to single payer and blocked it.Doesn't change that I wanted it, and it was the best option.I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either. But I still support Michigan.
R.A.Danny: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.Tell Obama that.
DamnYankees: So the site was down or a few minutes
jigger: Dusk-You-n-Me: jigger: hahaowow.jpgPeople who supported the passage and implementation of Medicare and Social Security heard the same thing.And Obamacare is JUST like those programs.
Witty_Retort: bunner: Witty_Retort: you have demonstrated that you know not how either the ACA or sovereign debt work.Just fine until somebody changes the rules or comes to collect.Nobody can 'call-in' our debt. It is sold in treasury notes. If you cash them in early, you lose most of the interest that they have accumulated.Please, tell me moar of the infromative sources you have access to.
Thrag: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844][2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?It's...Beautiful
WiredMann: Summercat: WiredMann: jst3p: lolwutJust call your doctor and ask them if they take ObamaCare. Chances are they don't.I can't tell if you are completely stupid, or utterly brilliant.Brilliant of course, and of course you are utterly stupid.
Summercat: jst3p: Summercat: WiredMann: jst3p: lolwutJust call your doctor and ask them if they take ObamaCare. Chances are they don't.I can't tell if you are completely stupid, or utterly brilliant.I think it is the latter actually. But that one tipped his hand.It's like... Oh gods, I know I'm an optimist because I'm betting it's the latter...That was well done. Hook, line, sinker, and even with the hand being tipped PEOPLE ARE STILL BITING.
WiredMann: Dusk-You-n-Me: WiredMann: ust call your doctor and ask them if they take ObamaCare.Obamacare isn't an insurance plan. That's important to remember. Or in your case, to ignore.Duhh!!!! I am talking about any plan that is bought through the health care exchanges. There is a big problem with any of these "plans" as far as what doctors will take those plans. Same things goes with hospitals. But then again you probably chose to ignore that. My doctor won't take any plan from Aetna, but will take Cigna. He also won't take any plan associated with ObamaCare as well. How good is the insurance if few doctors or hospitals will accept it? Wake up and smell the failure/
jst3p: WiredMann: doctors and hospitals aren't taking the insurance in any large numbers,lolwut?
WiredMann: Soup4Bonnie: WiredMann: I applaud you debate skills.You should. I am infinitely better than you at it.Your post assumes that nobody has ever heard of let alone had to pay a high deductible before. It fails to address that many people could not even get coverage before and are happy to pay the deductible just so they can get the treatment they weren't getting before. It also doesn't mention the cap on out of pocket expenses, creates an imaginary scenario where the government is bailing people out and treats "Obamacare" as if it is thing that can be sold or used by hospitals and not a law that creates exchanges for private insurers to offer a product.And this isn't an "epic fail". Millions of people now have insurance that couldn't get it before. There are a bunch of other new benefits, too, but again, I don't have time to explain to you what you should have been learning over the past four years.You do know I was kidding, right? I think you are as dumb as a brick. From what I can tell you just seem to be here to promote ObamaCare despite the facts, but that's ok, it's problably your job. The evidence is not quite in how big an epic fail ObamaCare is, but all of the signs are there you just have to open your eyes. The facts are that this was all built on a lie. We are already know that the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" were outright lies so anything else said by this administration is basically without credibility. The website is still a disaster, doctors and hospitals aren't taking the insurance in any large numbers, healthcare cost are going up and on and on. But people who could never afford insurance before are going to gladly pay for a 5,000 deductible? How? Far too often they won't pay the deductible and the rest of us will be bearing the cost. I could go on and on about how delusional you are but I am sure it wouldn't matter.
WiredMann: doctors and hospitals aren't taking the insurance in any large numbers,
bunner: Is anybody else getting their browsers randomly hijacked here and then needing to click their back button to return to this thread?
Soup4Bonnie: WiredMann: Just wait a few months and we will start hearing horror stories about people who have bought this wonderful insurance and then when they have something besides preventative care, such as a broken arm, they will be horrified when the insurance won't pay for anything until those high deductibles have been reached. All those people who could not pay for a monthly premium without a subsidy are going to expect the government to bail them out, right? The hospitals are going to have to write off those losses when those bills aren't paid and so fewer and fewer hospitals will take Obamacare in the following years. The epic fail continues...What you don't know would take quite some time to explain.
sdd2000: How about "un-signing up" by not paying the premium?
jst3p: I bet he still has it.
Daraymann: Me needing insurance is my decision, not a bunch of follow the leader government officials.
dok9874: I'll hang on to my $17k+ and continue to pay for my healthcare like I always have: with cash.
dok9874: And then there's the issue that once you sign up for Obamacare, there is no mechanism to UN-sign up if say, you get a job that offers health insurance. (they didn't quite think that one through).
Deftoons: The slogan for Healthcare.gov is "Take your health care into your own hands." Yes, by putting the government in control of it. What a huge relief!
Soup4Bonnie: MechaPyx: it's my understanding that because I live under the roof of a relative who does earn a wage and has health coverage through their employer I don't qualify for any kind of subsidy.Who told you that? Have you even tried to get insurance on the exchange?
namegoeshere: MechaPyx: Sign up for healthcare or they're going fine me. Yeah sure. I don't have any money so go for it. Fine me. See if you can get blood from a stone. And because of my circumstances no I don't qualify for any kind of subsidy. My state is one of those that didn't extend Medicaid among other things.Seriously, mandating that I have to buy stuff when I have no job or income is not helping. Excuse the fark out of me for being poor.As has been pointed out several times so far, if you have no job or income, you are exempt from the penalty. Feel free to keep not having insurance.
Soup4Bonnie: williesleg: Wait 'till they find out health INSURANCE is NOT health CARE.Are you suggesting people don't understand the difference?
whistleridge: I'm going to go with 'when you're working for $11/hr, paying an average of $1300 for rent with 3 roommates, have a car payment, a student loan payment/kids to feed/both, and zero savings, an extra couple hundred a month for health insurance is one hit to your wallet that you will avoid for as long as possible'. It's not that people are stupid, lazy, or disinterested in their health, it's that the real problems of today (my roommate didn't pay rent, I need $450 TODAY) outweigh the potential problems of tomorrow (I could get sick).
"Why don't you just ask your parent's for the money? Or sell some stock, that's what I did when I was 'broke' in college!"
Jackson Herring: you're giving me a headache, would you please stop
qorkfiend: If only the law included exemptions and subsidies for people with little or no income!
Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).
bullsballs: I have coverage, but I am not going to enroll.EVERYONE NOT EXEMPT MUST ENROLL...but I refuse to do so...
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ManateeGag: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: So the site was down or a few minutes and its a headline?Obama lied. He will always betray you. The Obamacare implosion continues./amidoingitirghtObamacare raped my mother while pouring sugar into my gas tank.Obamacare raped my gas tank while pouring sugar into my mother.
MithrandirBooga: I remember when I was back in college, and some poor souls tried to register for classes the day before registration closed. The computers always crashed. Always.You know what the response was from the administrators?"Ya'll are dumbshiats for trying to register at the last minute. You've had 4 months to register, and if you really cared about your schooling you would have done it by now."It amazes me that large swaths of people would put off caring about their health until the very last second.
thornhill: vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.And probably 75% of those people don't realize they have the ACA to thank for that.
James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?
I alone am best: It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.
glassa: single payer = single denier. And if you want to sign over your entire body to the control of federal government (who can't find their ass from a hole in the ground), fine have fun with that. The rest of us don't want that nightmare, so don't inflict it on us.
whistleridge: Or, you know, just don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people./ can we have single-payer yet?
I alone am best: Witty_Retort: I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844][2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.If you had bothered to click the provided link, you would see that those are the top rated comments for his page.But if a conspiracy is much easier for your simple mind to comprehend then that people actually like the law, go let your freak flag fly.Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post./I am guessing you follow Republicans on Facebook.
I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844][2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.
MemeSlave: James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?Because it's "The Republicans" which are the problem.
James!: Somacandra: Chris Ween: I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either.Wow. Poking the Modmins in the eye today? Have a good one :-)Yeah, Ween. You better watch your ass.
Serious Black: Obama is in charge of the Kaiser Family Foundation now?
Chris Ween: whistleridge: Or, you know, just don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people./ can we have single-payer yet?If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance. How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others? Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?This is strange. Maybe there weren't 30 million in need. Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.
Somacandra: Chris Ween: f I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance. How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the othersAgreed. While we're at it, We should get rid of all fire departments because fires still happen. The best way to solve a problem is by ignoring it.
dittybopper: If you just ignore section of your tax return on the insurance part, or lie and say you have insurance when you don't actually have it, they'll prosecute you for filing a frivolous return.
R.A.Danny: James!: R.A.Danny: This one better? It's from the "other" side.Or is anyone here going to step and tell us that there will be no tax, fine, or other penalty?From that link.The only way for the IRS to collect the fee for not having health insurance, if you choose not to pay it, is for them to withhold the money you would get back from the IRS after filing your income tax returns. The IRS cannot enforce the Individual Shared Responsibility provision with jail time, liens, or any other of typical methods of collection.That's my point. Why is there an enumerated penalty if there's no "legal" way to collect?
R.A.Danny: This one better? It's from the "other" side.Or is anyone here going to step and tell us that there will be no tax, fine, or other penalty?
Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.
Jackson Herring: obamacare isn't a service you can sign up for, I hope this helps
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