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2014-03-31 12:45:23 PM  

verbaltoxin: bunner: Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.

There are plenty of republics with low taxes, low government overhead, and all the personal freedom you and a private army can buy. Feel free to go there.


Gee, if YOU say it's OK.  *snort*  You own one of those crying eagle T-shirtsm, don't you?
 
2014-03-31 12:46:24 PM  

bunner: verbaltoxin: bunner: Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.

There are plenty of republics with low taxes, low government overhead, and all the personal freedom you and a private army can buy. Feel free to go there.

Gee, if YOU say it's OK.  *snort*  You own one of those crying eagle T-shirtsm, don't you?


You're just jealous because I'm more freedomer than you.
 
2014-03-31 12:46:35 PM  
Sorry, but if the best America can do is "Hey, at least we're not Somalia", America is f*cked.
 
2014-03-31 12:46:36 PM  
Yeah, 0bummercare is great.  It might help my family.  Circus performers, and other high-risk groups not so much.  In the Bizarro-world of left-wing blog posts, I suppose this counts as a success.  But wisdom is like pearls before swine for you social parasites.  I suppose you think what's good for urban populations is what is good for real Americans living in the boondocks.  The impact hits close to home when you realize that if you merely miss a date to sign up, you could now be a criminal.  Or, sign up with all those other millions of new patients, and end up only being able to get into see a doctor who prescribes pickles if you're pregnant. But appealing to the betterment of the downtrodden is red meat to limousine liberals, and so now every welfare queen with a Cadillac full of rugrats can now afford to go overboard on their healthcare without ending up in the penalty box.  Of course, when our nation is sinking like the Titanic under the fifth wave of debt, it will take all of you out of the gene pool.  Don't cry to me when the debt dunes bury this nation.
 
2014-03-31 12:47:01 PM  

vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.


Citation needed.  And make sure you exclude from the count all the people that lost insurance.
 
2014-03-31 12:47:16 PM  

verbaltoxin: You're just jealous because I'm more freedomer than you.


That must be it.
 
2014-03-31 12:48:11 PM  

DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


The IRS has never worked that way.  Don't pay any of your taxes.  They won't do anything but send you a sternly  worded letter, but they WILL get around to prosecuting you in the next couple of years, and you will lose.

Possibly. Except if I were the sort of person who wasn't likely to sign up anyway, I would be willing to wait 3-6 months on the bet that they waive any penalty for 2014.


Are you being paid by the GOP to spread this FUD?

If by 'paid by the GOP' you mean 'am a fan of ACA who is generally disappointed and cynical about the enforcement being any more effective than the rollout', then sure.

I hope I'm wrong. But I doubt it.


Even Drudge is paying the tax.  Calling it his "liberty tax."   If the mouthpieces of the wingnut nation can't be bothered with tax evasion, I doubt it's going to get any traction with the rank and file dullard.


Because one rich douchebag trying and failing to score political points is a good point of measure for the whole system?

Even if everything goes perfectly, millions are going to miss the deadline. It's unavoidable. A bunch are going to plausibly claim they were unable to comply for technical reasons. Will they be penalized?

I doubt it. Next year, yes. But not during the trial year.
 
2014-03-31 12:48:59 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


There have been several good responses to your question, but the bottom line is if you are currently enrolled in VA healthcare (not just eligible- you must be enrolled) you meet the qualifications for healthcare under the ACA. If you are not enrolled- GET ENROLLED!  The process takes months. (about 6 months for me).
 
2014-03-31 12:49:07 PM  
I just went to healthcare.gov and now my screen says, "WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS!" in what appears to be lipstick.
 
2014-03-31 12:49:42 PM  

whistleridge: Because one rich douchebag trying and failing to score political points is a good point of measure for the whole system?


No, but when 90% of the people with a useful pen fit that description, it is.
 
2014-03-31 12:50:23 PM  

Epic Fap Session: I just went to healthcare.gov and now my screen says, "WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS!" in what appears to be lipstick.


i371.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-31 12:50:48 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Summercat: Mr. Right: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.

The real problem is that there actually is a Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986.  Can we simplify the damned thing, eliminate all the loopholes (which only the rich have enough tax liability to use), reduce the percentage of our national productivity consumed by tax tracking and preparation, and reduce the necessity of armies of IRS workers?

Will Rogers posited that "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has."

Simple answe cause im on my phone:

Real life is a complex biatch if you try to make effective rules, and the more pieces and people involved the more rules you have to have to keep things from flying apart.

Things get complex for a reason.

And that reason is lawyers. Companies hire lawyers to root out every loophole they can find and exploit to improve their bottom line, which means the laws have to be thorough.

I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but if the ACA were ten pages long, the insurance companies' legal departments would have found a way to screw as many people as possible in a matter of days.


Extrapolate this to a larger ruleset. There are ALWAYS people who try to find ways around the rules to do what they want, ways to misinterpret rules, ways to subvert and pervert the intent of the rules to allow themselves to do what the rules were intended to stop, limit, etc.

THAT is a near constant among humans. Lawyers, on both sides of the equation, are just experts in that skill and knowledgebase.

I keep going back to my experience, but used to be on said site I was an admin on, EVERYTHING was allowed. This included drawn images of underaged characters. Then the rules changed to disallow that. We later had to update the rule from "If it's underaged it is not allowed" to "If it looks underaged" because people would go "OH, he's not really 9, he's really a 5000 year old vampire shapeshifter!". I called it the Shippo Rule (after the Inuyasha character who looks 6 but is 900).

Between THAT as a human nature, and the fact that while individuals are good at self-regulating at some things, societies are not, we have rules. And the larger and more diverse a society, the more complex the rules - because as Zero Tolerance has shown, simple rules are farking stupid.

For another example, let's take Roundabouts, also known as Traffic Circles. I recently encountered these while on a trip to Australia (Sydney and Canberra), where they are fairly common - and in low traffic areas, they worked much better  than traffic lights, and so where installed in many places.

But then populations grew, and these traffic circles were no longer working better than traffic lights. They in fact were worse off (even accounting for the fact I'm an American driving in Australia). They hindered traffic and worsened the flow. I was told in many areas that were growing in population they were putting lights up on the traffic circles, and eventually ripping them out and putting in lighted intersections.

/I found that to be a good metaphor for my concepts
//Liberatrianism: Works GREAT with tiny populations
///And Zero Tolerance is a simple solution, isn't it.
 
2014-03-31 12:51:01 PM  

Skleenar: Yeah, 0bummercare is great.  It might help my family.  Circus performers, and other high-risk groups not so much.  In the Bizarro-world of left-wing blog posts, I suppose this counts as a success.  But wisdom is like pearls before swine for you social parasites.  I suppose you think what's good for urban populations is what is good for real Americans living in the boondocks.  The impact hits close to home when you realize that if you merely miss a date to sign up, you could now be a criminal.  Or, sign up with all those other millions of new patients, and end up only being able to get into see a doctor who prescribes pickles if you're pregnant. But appealing to the betterment of the downtrodden is red meat to limousine liberals, and so now every welfare queen with a Cadillac full of rugrats can now afford to go overboard on their healthcare without ending up in the penalty box.  Of course, when our nation is sinking like the Titanic under the fifth wave of debt, it will take all of you out of the gene pool.  Don't cry to me when the debt dunes bury this nation.


Uh, movies? Adult Swim cartoons? I'm not sure.
 
2014-03-31 12:51:21 PM  
From the CBO: Over time, more people are expected to respond to the new coverage options, so enrollment is projected to increase sharply in 2015 and 2016. Starting in 2017, between 24 million and 25 million people are expected to obtain coverage each year through exchanges, and roughly 80 percent of those enrollees are expected to receive subsidies for purchasing that insurance.

It's here. Get used to it.
 
2014-03-31 12:51:49 PM  

thurstonxhowell: RaiderFanMikeP: Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe

IRS response:  move in with someone else or find a cheaper rent.. sell your car and eat less and pay  Pay PAY!!!!!

https://www.healthcare.gov/if-im-a-military-veteran-what-do-i-need-t o- know-about-the-marketplace/

He said he was covered by VA benefits, so your link says roughly the opposite of what you say it does. Which you would know if you had bothered to read the first sentence of the answer provided.


real answer was link.. no he doesn't have to pay for ACA plans if he has VA Coverage

 snarky answer was IRS response which i know they want every penny owed them  (not related to ACA in general if your excuse is "i have rent car note and food to buy"  they would say "screw you and pay"   not ACA premium but tax bill..  sorry for confusion..
 
2014-03-31 12:52:39 PM  

Skleenar: Yeah, 0bummercare is great.  It might help my family.  Circus performers, and other high-risk groups not so much.  In the Bizarro-world of left-wing blog posts, I suppose this counts as a success.  But wisdom is like pearls before swine for you social parasites.  I suppose you think what's good for urban populations is what is good for real Americans living in the boondocks.  The impact hits close to home when you realize that if you merely miss a date to sign up, you could now be a criminal.  Or, sign up with all those other millions of new patients, and end up only being able to get into see a doctor who prescribes pickles if you're pregnant. But appealing to the betterment of the downtrodden is red meat to limousine liberals, and so now every welfare queen with a Cadillac full of rugrats can now afford to go overboard on their healthcare without ending up in the penalty box.  Of course, when our nation is sinking like the Titanic under the fifth wave of debt, it will take all of you out of the gene pool.  Don't cry to me when the debt dunes bury this nation.


I think those are all comics.
 
2014-03-31 12:52:45 PM  

Skleenar: Yeah, 0bummercare is great.  It might help my family.  Circus performers, and other high-risk groups not so much.  In the Bizarro-world of left-wing blog posts, I suppose this counts as a success.  But wisdom is like pearls before swine for you social parasites.  I suppose you think what's good for urban populations is what is good for real Americans living in the boondocks.  The impact hits close to home when you realize that if you merely miss a date to sign up, you could now be a criminal.  Or, sign up with all those other millions of new patients, and end up only being able to get into see a doctor who prescribes pickles if you're pregnant. But appealing to the betterment of the downtrodden is red meat to limousine liberals, and so now every welfare queen with a Cadillac full of rugrats can now afford to go overboard on their healthcare without ending up in the penalty box.  Of course, when our nation is sinking like the Titanic under the fifth wave of debt, it will take all of you out of the gene pool.  Don't cry to me when the debt dunes bury this nation.


you're giving me a headache, would you please stop
 
2014-03-31 12:53:24 PM  

verbaltoxin: Skleenar: Yeah, 0bummercare is great.  It might help my family.  Circus performers, and other high-risk groups not so much.  In the Bizarro-world of left-wing blog posts, I suppose this counts as a success.  But wisdom is like pearls before swine for you social parasites.  I suppose you think what's good for urban populations is what is good for real Americans living in the boondocks.  The impact hits close to home when you realize that if you merely miss a date to sign up, you could now be a criminal.  Or, sign up with all those other millions of new patients, and end up only being able to get into see a doctor who prescribes pickles if you're pregnant. But appealing to the betterment of the downtrodden is red meat to limousine liberals, and so now every welfare queen with a Cadillac full of rugrats can now afford to go overboard on their healthcare without ending up in the penalty box.  Of course, when our nation is sinking like the Titanic under the fifth wave of debt, it will take all of you out of the gene pool.  Don't cry to me when the debt dunes bury this nation.

Uh, movies? Adult Swim cartoons? I'm not sure.


Comic Strips?
 
2014-03-31 12:53:52 PM  
seriously you guys missed like half of them
 
2014-03-31 12:54:20 PM  

Summercat: Comic Strips?


Yeah that makes more sense. I don't know comic strips very well.
 
2014-03-31 12:54:45 PM  

SlothB77: vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.

Citation needed.  And make sure you exclude from the count all the people that lost insurance.


But add in people like me who bought through an insurance broker an ACA compliant plan in that I would not get a subsidy, but am able to now get insurance. Under the prior system due to pre-existing condition my only choices in Texas were employer based insurance (causing me to delay retirement) or the Texas High Risk pool which was nicknamed "Denial Care". I now have a plan that is about 1/2 the cost of the Texas high risk plan, with no lifetime caps, prescription coverage that is better than my employer plan. All in all I must say the ACA has been a godsend to me. For your citation please see.
 
2014-03-31 12:55:02 PM  

Jackson Herring: you're giving me a headache, would you please stop


arresting me?
 
2014-03-31 12:55:10 PM  
Politics tab must have taken the day off to go get health insurance. 3 friggin articles is all I have to read at lunch???
 
2014-03-31 12:55:18 PM  

SlothB77: vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.

Citation needed.  And make sure you exclude from the count all the people that lost insurance.


Do you have a citation on who lost insurance rather than simply signing up for a different plan?
 
2014-03-31 12:55:43 PM  
We're 17,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and we're still cutting checks.  Mostly to the people who already have whatever actual wealth is left in their sock drawers.  This ain't gonna fix sh*t.
 
2014-03-31 12:56:26 PM  

atomic-age: machoprogrammer: How about just nationalize it instead of pushing legislation allowing the insurance companies to profit?

Because a) the Republicans and Medicare recipients shiat their pants over that idea and b) we were in a recession at the time and the insurance industry would have had mass layoffs.


All this talk about Republicans.  Not one single Republican voted for it.  So, can you please stop blaming Republicans?  They had nothing to do with Obamacare. It's 100% Democrat.  For good or ill.
 
2014-03-31 12:56:37 PM  

verbaltoxin: Summercat: Comic Strips?

Yeah that makes more sense. I don't know comic strips very well.


Neither do I; I just don't think there was a Pearls before Swine animation, whereas I know that's a comic. I know Boondocks started as one, and I think there was a Rugrats one. Don't know the others and I haven't read the comics section in years.
 
2014-03-31 12:57:45 PM  

pnome: atomic-age: machoprogrammer: How about just nationalize it instead of pushing legislation allowing the insurance companies to profit?

Because a) the Republicans and Medicare recipients shiat their pants over that idea and b) we were in a recession at the time and the insurance industry would have had mass layoffs.

All this talk about Republicans.  Not one single Republican voted for it.  So, can you please stop blaming Republicans?  They had nothing to do with Obamacare. It's 100% Democrat.  For good or ill.


Was this before or after the ACA was amended/altered in accordance with negotiation with Republicans who then said "No" to the entire deal?
 
2014-03-31 12:58:19 PM  
Less than a million people actually lost health insurance indirectly because of the ACA. There has been a net gain of 9.5 million insured Americans.

Link
 
2014-03-31 12:58:51 PM  

Jackson Herring: seriously you guys missed like half of them


I suck at these things more than people think I suck... other things.

That's a lot.
 
2014-03-31 12:58:58 PM  

Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
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Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?


now THAT is awesome.
 
2014-03-31 01:00:27 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Less than a million people actually lost health insurance indirectly because of the ACA. There has been a net gain of 9.5 million insured Americans.

Link


A quick read of the link doesn't say if the people who lost their plans were rolled over automagically to other plans, as I recall being done a few months ago.
 
2014-03-31 01:00:34 PM  
Healthcare.gov has been spamming my inbox for weeks, and if you click in unsubscribe there is no way to actually unsubscribe on the website.  Intentional?
 
2014-03-31 01:01:29 PM  

CruJones: Healthcare.gov has been spamming my inbox for weeks, and if you click in unsubscribe there is no way to actually unsubscribe on the website.  Intentional?


I think that's healthcare.cx.
 
2014-03-31 01:02:13 PM  

Summercat: Complex shiat needs comex rules and we live in a complex society. You are kidding yourself if you think simple answers will be flexable enough to work.


Systems get more complex as they get more intrusive and controlling.  When it comes to taxes, a sales tax is pretty fair.  The more money you have to spend, the more money you get charged in taxes.  If you want to exclude a necessity like food, that's a pretty simple fix.   If you venture into property taxes, income taxes, and corporate taxes, that will be much more complex.  But when you start passing out favors to various constituent groups and campaign donors is when it explodes beyond comprehension.  There is no way a rational tax code requires 5000 sections just in Title D.  The result is a tax code that is incomprehensible even to those whose job it is to administer it.

The sheer size and complexity of the Affordable Care Act is what will doom it to failure.  Add to that the seemingly weekly changes, delays, waivers, new regulations and there won't even be an agency capable of knowing what the law is, let alone actually administer it.
 
2014-03-31 01:02:15 PM  
Sign up for healthcare or they're going fine me. Yeah sure. I don't have any money so go for it. Fine me. See if you can get blood from a stone. And because of my circumstances no I don't qualify for any kind of subsidy. My state is one of those that didn't extend Medicaid among other things.

Seriously, mandating that I have to buy stuff when I have no job or income is not helping. Excuse the fark out of me for being poor.
 
2014-03-31 01:02:44 PM  
barry has been focused like a laser beam on his signature scheme for about 5 years. That's why obamacare is so great. Yes lies were told about keeping your plan, keeping your doctor, saving you money, costing under a trillion at only 900 billion. The most transparent administration can't tell anyone how many obamacare sign ups actually paid, how many signups are young/healthy types, how many signups got kicked off plans and had to get obamacare. This is because most Americans are too stupid to understand how great obamacare is. It has to be great because barry has been telling us how great it is for years. Dems only had to spend about 600 million tax dollars promoting it. That's less than 600 Super Bowl commercials. That alone should tell you how great obamacare is. It's darn near perfect if you ask me. It's so great that every single democrat in congress voted for obamacare. That includes all the Senators up for reelection in the fall of 2014. They wouldn't support this knowing their cushy political careers were in jeopardy if it wasn't great.
Get your lazy selves in gear and sign up for this free healthcare. It only costs about $250 - $1000 a month. Think of it as paying your fair share.
If you don't sign up, then you're a RACIST!
 
2014-03-31 01:03:16 PM  
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2014-03-31 01:03:52 PM  

the_immoral_minority: Wait until the employer mandate kicks in, almost everyone who works for a living will only be able to afford a $5000 deductible plan. That's a tax folks, the largest in the history of our country.




Aren't you special.

googledrive.com
 
2014-03-31 01:05:09 PM  

Serious Black: xanadian: FTFA:  An administration spokesman said the website is usually offline for maintenance overnight, and was brought down for four extra hours by a technical glitch

Good thing there isn't a deadline or anything that could end up costing individual taxpayers $95 or 1% of their annual income, whichever is higher...

*facepalm*

/of course, there's something to be said for not procrastinating, but still

Once again, I ask who the hell was actually awake and desperate to work on their health insurance application at 3:30am? I can understand being desperate to work on it today at some point, but in the wee hours of the morning?


Why would you even risk an update on the night of a deadline...........................
 
2014-03-31 01:05:49 PM  

Launch Code: barry has been focused like a laser beam on his signature scheme for about 5 years. That's why obamacare is so great. Yes lies were told about keeping your plan, keeping your doctor, saving you money, costing under a trillion at only 900 billion. The most transparent administration can't tell anyone how many obamacare sign ups actually paid, how many signups are young/healthy types, how many signups got kicked off plans and had to get obamacare. This is because most Americans are too stupid to understand how great obamacare is. It has to be great because barry has been telling us how great it is for years. Dems only had to spend about 600 million tax dollars promoting it. That's less than 600 Super Bowl commercials. That alone should tell you how great obamacare is. It's darn near perfect if you ask me. It's so great that every single democrat in congress voted for obamacare. That includes all the Senators up for reelection in the fall of 2014. They wouldn't support this knowing their cushy political careers were in jeopardy if it wasn't great.
Get your lazy selves in gear and sign up for this free healthcare. It only costs about $250 - $1000 a month. Think of it as paying your fair share.
If you don't sign up, then you're a RACIST!



Game shows
 
2014-03-31 01:06:15 PM  

MechaPyx: My state is one of those that didn't extend Medicaid among other things.


i'm sorry your representatives cared more about grandstanding, misinforming the general public and sticking it to the dirty Libs rather than your personal needs.
 
2014-03-31 01:06:30 PM  

whistleridge: Because one rich douchebag trying and failing to score political points is a good point of measure for the whole system?

Even if everything goes perfectly, millions are going to miss the deadline. It's unavoidable. A bunch are going to plausibly claim they were unable to comply for technical reasons. Will they be penalized?

I doubt it. Next year, yes. But not during the trial year.


The penalties start low for a reason.   1% of income this year.   Which isn't even a child tax credit.
 
2014-03-31 01:06:47 PM  

MechaPyx: Sign up for healthcare or they're going fine me. Yeah sure. I don't have any money so go for it. Fine me. See if you can get blood from a stone. And because of my circumstances no I don't qualify for any kind of subsidy. My state is one of those that didn't extend Medicaid among other things.

Seriously, mandating that I have to buy stuff when I have no job or income is not helping. Excuse the fark out of me for being poor.


If you have no or low income, there is no penalty for you.
 
2014-03-31 01:06:54 PM  

Summercat: Epic Fap Session: Less than a million people actually lost health insurance indirectly because of the ACA. There has been a net gain of 9.5 million insured Americans.

Link

A quick read of the link doesn't say if the people who lost their plans were rolled over automagically to other plans, as I recall being done a few months ago.


From the article (which is a summary of a study): Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.
 
2014-03-31 01:08:23 PM  

whistleridge: mrshowrules: If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others?  Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?

This is strange.  Maybe there weren't 30 million in need.  Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.

So the problem is that is only reducing the uninsured?  Not clear on what your point is.

Keep in mind that this represents millions of people who couldn't get insurance before but wanted to.  Not sure on the precise number but for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.

Secondly, this reduces the burden on hundreds of millions of responsible insurance holders because they won't have to cover as much in terms of emergency room visits from the uninsured.

Finally, every single American benefits from the consumer protections in Obamacare, not to mention the fringe economic benefits of having your health care security detached from your employer, not to mention the likely reduction in medical bankruptcies going forward.

To say there are still many uninsured is short sighted.  Also, moving the goal post because the actual GOP guarantee was actually that Obamacare was going to destroy the country and cause 1,000 years of darkness

I'm going to go with 'when you're working for $11/hr, paying an average of $1300 for rent with 3 roommates, have a car payment, a student loan payment/kids to feed/both, and zero savings, an extra couple hundred a month for health insurance is one hit to your wallet that you will avoid for as long as possible'. It's not that people are stupid, lazy, or disinterested in their health, it's that the real problems of today (my roommate didn't pay rent, I need $450 TODAY) outweigh the potential problems of tomorrow (I could get sick ...


I'm going to go with BS.
Just plugged in a *hypothetical* 28 yo on 22k year income.  Bronze plan @ less than 80 per month.
 
2014-03-31 01:09:03 PM  

Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
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Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?


Thank you Jesus! That was beautiful! Where does this Cruz Moran get all his support?
 
2014-03-31 01:11:45 PM  
Funny how everybody's in a rush to get health INSURANCE.

Wait 'till they find out health INSURANCE is NOT health CARE.
 
2014-03-31 01:11:57 PM  

bunner: We're 17,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and we're still cutting checks.  Mostly to the people who already have whatever actual wealth is left in their sock drawers.  This ain't gonna fix sh*t.


All they have left is this half hearted hate.  Can't even get excited about our debt or call this a tyrannical government takeover.  Just... meh... this doesn't help.. *kicks dirt around a little*
 
2014-03-31 01:12:10 PM  

Leader O'Cola: whistleridge: mrshowrules: If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others?  Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?

This is strange.  Maybe there weren't 30 million in need.  Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.

So the problem is that is only reducing the uninsured?  Not clear on what your point is.

Keep in mind that this represents millions of people who couldn't get insurance before but wanted to.  Not sure on the precise number but for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.

Secondly, this reduces the burden on hundreds of millions of responsible insurance holders because they won't have to cover as much in terms of emergency room visits from the uninsured.

Finally, every single American benefits from the consumer protections in Obamacare, not to mention the fringe economic benefits of having your health care security detached from your employer, not to mention the likely reduction in medical bankruptcies going forward.

To say there are still many uninsured is short sighted.  Also, moving the goal post because the actual GOP guarantee was actually that Obamacare was going to destroy the country and cause 1,000 years of darkness

I'm going to go with 'when you're working for $11/hr, paying an average of $1300 for rent with 3 roommates, have a car payment, a student loan payment/kids to feed/both, and zero savings, an extra couple hundred a month for health insurance is one hit to your wallet that you will avoid for as long as possible'. It's not that people are stupid, lazy, or disinterested in their health, it's that the real problems of today (my roommate didn't pay rent, I need $450 TODAY) outweigh the potential problems of tomorrow (I could get sick ...

I'm going to go with BS.
Just plugged in a *hypothetical* 28 yo on 22k year income.  Bronze plan @ less than 80 per month.


That's the bare minimum. Search 32, 2 kids, pre-existing condition. It's still a very valid price, but...not if you're the kind of person who is looking to duck.
 
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