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2014-03-31 12:25:31 PM  

BeesNuts: thurstonxhowell: BeesNuts: dok9874: I just got laid off, so that's my Hardship #14. Not sure how I'm going to provide documentation of not receiving a paycheck anymore though.

File for unemployment.  They typically confirm with your employer that you were really laid off, and they include a statement about your earnings, and the date of your last paycheck in the info packets they mail you.

Whether you qualify or not it's a convenient way to obtain proof that you're unemployed as far as the state is concerned.

He should probably receive info about COBRA regardless. Granted, it probably doesn't make financial sense to go with COBRA now that the exchanges exist, but that packet should have enough info to prove the recent change in employment status. Also, if he "just got laid off", then he can head on over to the exchange website and sign up without having to bother with any of this. This guy's not trying to get answers, he's trying to spread FUD.

And I'm happy to alleviate said fake doubts, fears and uncertainties.

Like the one a moment ago complaining about the website.  This is what I see:
[i59.tinypic.com image 850x598]

So basically they are being more amenable than any private company has in the history of ever.  But they are incompetent and want you to suffer.

I'm just *loving* the desperation.


Yeah, I'm totally comfortable with that.  Fark no.  I'm more likely
 
2014-03-31 12:25:32 PM  
In my state I can contact any insurance agent and get health insurance that meets the requirements of the ACA.   I can also go to the website of BCBS or Coventry directly and sign up online at either place.

The healthcare.gov is only one of the many many options that one can use to get healthcare.  It's a somewhat useful tool, but it's also not needed to get health insurance through an exchange.

I got my $205/mo gold plan as a 42 year old male by going directly to the BCBS of Kansas web site.  I'm a contractor with a few minor pre-existing conditions (that I don't currently require additional medication or treatment for, but I may someday).
 
2014-03-31 12:26:47 PM  

ManateeGag: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: So the site was down or a few minutes and its a headline?

Obama lied.  He will always betray you.  The Obamacare implosion continues.

/amidoingitirght

Obamacare raped my mother while pouring sugar into my gas tank.


Obamacare raped my gas tank while pouring sugar into my mother.
 
2014-03-31 12:26:54 PM  

MithrandirBooga: I remember when I was back in college, and some poor souls tried to register for classes the day before registration closed. The computers always crashed. Always.

You know what the response was from the administrators?

"Ya'll are dumbshiats for trying to register at the last minute. You've had 4 months to register, and if you really cared about your schooling you would have done it by now."

It amazes me that large swaths of people would put off caring about their health until the very last second.


The administrators of that college are complete idiots and should be fired.  Everyone knows that people do shiat at the last minute and you plan for it.  Its called being human.
 
2014-03-31 12:26:57 PM  

tkwasny: thornhill: vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.

And probably 75% of those people don't realize they have the ACA to thank for that.

In order for you to spout that 10 million gain number I guess you are looking at the list that contains 10 million names. Next to those names is the column that states the last time they had insurance, if ever, and whether they paid their premiums or not yet. If your not looking at this list are you regurgitating someone's talking points recently handed to you? I did not believe anything that came out of the Bush W.H. and will not believe anything that comes out of the Obama W.H.


Yeah, if you didn't personally count each and every one of those 10 million by hand, it's a lie.
 
2014-03-31 12:27:17 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-31 12:27:38 PM  
I have coverage, but I am not going to enroll.
EVERYONE NOT EXEMPT MUST ENROLL...
but I refuse to do so...
 
2014-03-31 12:28:17 PM  

Witty_Retort: coffeeplease: Waiting patiently to see the $2,500 in cost savings Obama promised I would see.

Considering your comments, I doubt you are an Average American.

/i saved only $2,200 per year, so Obama is a big fat poopyhead liar.


^This. I went from no insurance to having free insurance so I saved jack shiat.

/Obama lied. Ben Ghazi died.
 
2014-03-31 12:28:27 PM  
So tomorrow is when the economy collapses and Obama finally reveals his plans to convert all of AMerica to Islam?  That's what Obamacare is going to do right?
 
2014-03-31 12:28:36 PM  

gingerjet: MithrandirBooga: I remember when I was back in college, and some poor souls tried to register for classes the day before registration closed. The computers always crashed. Always.

You know what the response was from the administrators?

"Ya'll are dumbshiats for trying to register at the last minute. You've had 4 months to register, and if you really cared about your schooling you would have done it by now."

It amazes me that large swaths of people would put off caring about their health until the very last second.

The administrators of that college are complete idiots and should be fired.  Everyone knows that people do shiat at the last minute and you plan for it.  Its called being human.


Students procrastinate, therefore, the administrators are all idiots and should be fired. Brilliant!
 
2014-03-31 12:28:47 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ManateeGag: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: So the site was down or a few minutes and its a headline?

Obama lied.  He will always betray you.  The Obamacare implosion continues.

/amidoingitirght

Obamacare raped my mother while pouring sugar into my gas tank.

Obamacare raped my gas tank while pouring sugar into my mother.


In the name of love though? Because that is acceptable.

t3.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-31 12:29:23 PM  

bullsballs: I have coverage, but I am not going to enroll.
EVERYONE NOT EXEMPT MUST ENROLL...
but I refuse to do so...


Know how I know you don't actually understand what's going on?
 
2014-03-31 12:29:27 PM  

tkwasny: thornhill: vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.

And probably 75% of those people don't realize they have the ACA to thank for that.

In order for you to spout that 10 million gain number I guess you are looking at the list that contains 10 million names. Next to those names is the column that states the last time they had insurance, if ever, and whether they paid their premiums or not yet. If your not looking at this list are you regurgitating someone's talking points recently handed to you? I did not believe anything that came out of the Bush W.H. and will not believe anything that comes out of the Obama W.H.


Then won't you be screaming that the system allows for identity theft?
 
2014-03-31 12:29:30 PM  

bullsballs: I have coverage, but I am not going to enroll.
EVERYONE NOT EXEMPT MUST ENROLL...
but I refuse to do so...


lolwut?
 
2014-03-31 12:30:31 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Carn: My mom is screwed by Indiana rejecting the Medicare expansion.

Many of the states that chose not to expand are reconsidering that decision. Cross your fingers and write your congressional reps.


Sadly, my folks are already screwed, but hopefully the states do come around and less people get screwed in the future.  It's awesome that you can work your whole life, paying insurance premiums and making them oodles of money, and then finally when you get really sick and need real care they kick you to the curb and piss on your head and then people cheer them for it.
 
2014-03-31 12:31:36 PM  
Went to site.  Signed up.  Got usr/pw.  I have no money to buy any of this sh*t.  Wont any time soon.  Site offered me things to do until the site is back up.  Site should install pong game.
 
2014-03-31 12:31:43 PM  
Thanks to all for the info/advice.  I just assumed that, if covered under VA, I wouldn't need it.  I guess I have some research to do.

/rarely get sick
//Going crazy with no job for 3 months
///Probably shouldn't have waited until the last minute
 
2014-03-31 12:31:49 PM  

Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).


My State is ran by asshats.

They have an political party even.

Their mascot is an Ass.
 
2014-03-31 12:32:02 PM  

I alone am best: Hey, it could work out. However, pointing to how many people have signed up is in no way indicative of the popularity since it was indeed coerced participation.


So you want to b*tch for the sake of it, and will find any reason to do it.
 
2014-03-31 12:32:10 PM  

Summercat: Mr. Right: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.

The real problem is that there actually is a Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986.  Can we simplify the damned thing, eliminate all the loopholes (which only the rich have enough tax liability to use), reduce the percentage of our national productivity consumed by tax tracking and preparation, and reduce the necessity of armies of IRS workers?

Will Rogers posited that "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has."

Simple answe cause im on my phone:

Real life is a complex biatch if you try to make effective rules, and the more pieces and people involved the more rules you have to have to keep things from flying apart.

Things get complex for a reason.


And that reason is lawyers. Companies hire lawyers to root out every loophole they can find and exploit to improve their bottom line, which means the laws have to be thorough.

I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but if the ACA were ten pages long, the insurance companies' legal departments would have found a way to screw as many people as possible in a matter of days.
 
2014-03-31 12:33:26 PM  
Health Insurance "Scamming Middleman between you and your doctor since 1930"
 
2014-03-31 12:34:57 PM  

Chris Ween: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?

If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others?  Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?

This is strange.  Maybe there weren't 30 million in need.  Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.


7 million is only the number of people signing up for coverage through public exchanges. The CBO also estimated a roughly equal amount of people signing up for coverage through private insurers outside of the exchanges and an even larger amount were supposed to be covered under Medicaid until the Supreme Court decision in 2012.

It's probably going to be 15 million-20 million covered by the law once this is finished, all told.
 
2014-03-31 12:35:15 PM  

Carn: It's awesome that you can work your whole life, paying insurance premiums and making them oodles of money, and then finally when you get really sick and need real care they kick you to the curb and piss on your head and then people cheer them for it.


Reminds me of this:

comicsidontunderstand.com
 
2014-03-31 12:35:40 PM  
Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.
 
2014-03-31 12:36:05 PM  

sdd2000: [img.fark.net image 403x403]


The DNC political ads write themselves
 
2014-03-31 12:36:26 PM  

DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


The IRS has never worked that way.  Don't pay any of your taxes.  They won't do anything but send you a sternly  worded letter, but they WILL get around to prosecuting you in the next couple of years, and you will lose.

Possibly. Except if I were the sort of person who wasn't likely to sign up anyway, I would be willing to wait 3-6 months on the bet that they waive any penalty for 2014.


Are you being paid by the GOP to spread this FUD?


If by 'paid by the GOP' you mean 'am a fan of ACA who is generally disappointed and cynical about the enforcement being any more effective than the rollout', then sure.

I hope I'm wrong. But I doubt it.
 
2014-03-31 12:36:55 PM  

bunner: Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.


If only the law included exemptions and subsidies for people with little or no income!
 
2014-03-31 12:37:27 PM  

bunner: Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.



If you have no money, you can't be fined.  it's levied against income.  If you have none, you can't pay it.  It's not a poll tax.
 
2014-03-31 12:37:32 PM  
imagine a health insurance card, thwapping into a human face, forever
 
2014-03-31 12:38:32 PM  

DarnoKonrad: bunner: Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.


If you have no money, you can't be fined.  it's levied against income.  If you have none, you can't pay it.  It's not a poll tax.


And if you have no income I am pretty sure you are exempt.
 
2014-03-31 12:39:08 PM  

James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?


About the same chance as the Democrats not being absolute piles of feces.

Slim to none, feces eaters, slim to none.
 
2014-03-31 12:39:17 PM  

whistleridge: DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


The IRS has never worked that way.  Don't pay any of your taxes.  They won't do anything but send you a sternly  worded letter, but they WILL get around to prosecuting you in the next couple of years, and you will lose.

Possibly. Except if I were the sort of person who wasn't likely to sign up anyway, I would be willing to wait 3-6 months on the bet that they waive any penalty for 2014.


Are you being paid by the GOP to spread this FUD?

If by 'paid by the GOP' you mean 'am a fan of ACA who is generally disappointed and cynical about the enforcement being any more effective than the rollout', then sure.

I hope I'm wrong. But I doubt it.



Even Drudge is paying the tax.  Calling it his "liberty tax."   If the mouthpieces of the wingnut nation can't be bothered with tax evasion, I doubt it's going to get any traction with the rank and file dullard.
 
2014-03-31 12:39:45 PM  

qorkfiend: If only the law included exemptions and subsidies for people with little or no income!


You mean like the ones that don't qualify for medicaid but are still poor?  Yeah, I'll look into that if my meds don't run out.
 
2014-03-31 12:39:53 PM  

bunner: Went to site.  Signed up.  Got usr/pw.  I have no money to buy any of this sh*t.  Wont any time soon.  Site offered me things to do until the site is back up.  Site should install pong game.


What's your income level? You may qualify for subsidies that help pay for your insurance.
 
2014-03-31 12:40:56 PM  
a really big one though, like one of those giant novelty sized checks
 
2014-03-31 12:41:13 PM  

verbaltoxin: bunner: Went to site.  Signed up.  Got usr/pw.  I have no money to buy any of this sh*t.  Wont any time soon.  Site offered me things to do until the site is back up.  Site should install pong game.

What's your income level? You may qualify for subsidies that help pay for your insurance.


Entirely too close to f*ck all, atm.  I DO have a Jim dandy 1099 tax bill coming for what little I do make, though,.  This is going to be a seriously sucky month.
 
2014-03-31 12:41:48 PM  

bullsballs: I have coverage, but I am not going to enroll.
EVERYONE NOT EXEMPT MUST ENROLL...
but I refuse to do so...


,,, why?
 
2014-03-31 12:42:27 PM  

James!: R.A.Danny: This one better? It's from the "other" side.

Or is anyone here going to step and tell us that there will be no tax, fine, or other penalty?

From that link.

The only way for the IRS to collect the fee for not having health insurance, if you choose not to pay it, is for them to withhold the money you would get back from the IRS after filing your income tax returns. The IRS cannot enforce the Individual Shared Responsibility provision with jail time, liens, or any other of typical methods of collection.


What happens when I don't get anything back for my tax returns anyways? What if I owe taxes, in fact. Does this suddenly increase my taxes by 1%?
 
2014-03-31 12:42:45 PM  

bunner: verbaltoxin: bunner: Went to site.  Signed up.  Got usr/pw.  I have no money to buy any of this sh*t.  Wont any time soon.  Site offered me things to do until the site is back up.  Site should install pong game.

What's your income level? You may qualify for subsidies that help pay for your insurance.

Entirely too close to f*ck all, atm.  I DO have a Jim dandy 1099 tax bill coming for what little I do make, though,.  This is going to be a seriously sucky month.


From my understanding, if you make under 10k you're exempt, if you're in a state that didn't except Medicaid expansion and you would have qualified for that, you're exempt as well.
 
2014-03-31 12:42:51 PM  

bunner: qorkfiend: If only the law included exemptions and subsidies for people with little or no income!

You mean like the ones that don't qualify for medicaid but are still poor?  Yeah, I'll look into that if my meds don't run out.


Yeah, something like that. I might suggest not having a governor and state legislature who are deliberately farking you, as well.
 
2014-03-31 12:43:18 PM  

Level5: Well this is what Im seeing when I try to login. Cool stuff, thanks obama.

[img.fark.net image 800x346]


If Obama had released his transcripts, we might have found out that he failed his Web Development courses. No wonder he had to be a community organizer...

/derp
 
2014-03-31 12:43:20 PM  

KellyX: bunner: verbaltoxin: bunner: Went to site.  Signed up.  Got usr/pw.  I have no money to buy any of this sh*t.  Wont any time soon.  Site offered me things to do until the site is back up.  Site should install pong game.

What's your income level? You may qualify for subsidies that help pay for your insurance.

Entirely too close to f*ck all, atm.  I DO have a Jim dandy 1099 tax bill coming for what little I do make, though,.  This is going to be a seriously sucky month.

From my understanding, if you make under 10k you're exempt, if you're in a state that didn't except Medicaid expansion and you would have qualified for that, you're exempt as well.


accept... ugh
 
2014-03-31 12:43:32 PM  
At the end of the day, medicine is either about healing or making exorbitant amounts of money.  This is plan A for option B.  And little else.  It  doesn't adress the inherent problem of medicine for profit.  It's just taps a different vein.
 
2014-03-31 12:43:33 PM  

whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


if they do that, then only the old and sick will sign up this year and the prices for plans will skyrocket next year.  death spiral.
 
2014-03-31 12:43:39 PM  

bunner: Barry, all things considered, has done a few useful things in his tenure.  Which, after all, isn't easy because, at the end of the day, he president is a sock puppet / scapegoat.  Forcing people to buy sketchy insurance from a selection of coporate whorehouses instead of working for socialized medicine, however, is not one of them.  This whole thing stinks to high heaven and when your government starts fining you for not having money, it's time to start packing.


There are plenty of republics with low taxes, low government overhead, and all the personal freedom you and a private army can buy. Feel free to go there.
 
2014-03-31 12:43:44 PM  

machoprogrammer: How about just nationalize it instead of pushing legislation allowing the insurance companies to profit?


Because a) the Republicans and Medicare recipients shiat their pants over that idea and b) we were in a recession at the time and the insurance industry would have had mass layoffs.
 
2014-03-31 12:44:10 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe

IRS response:  move in with someone else or find a cheaper rent.. sell your car and eat less and pay  Pay PAY!!!!!

https://www.healthcare.gov/if-im-a-military-veteran-what-do-i-need-t o- know-about-the-marketplace/


He said he was covered by VA benefits, so your link says roughly the opposite of what you say it does. Which you would know if you had bothered to read the first sentence of the answer provided.
 
2014-03-31 12:44:22 PM  

bunner: verbaltoxin: bunner: Went to site.  Signed up.  Got usr/pw.  I have no money to buy any of this sh*t.  Wont any time soon.  Site offered me things to do until the site is back up.  Site should install pong game.

What's your income level? You may qualify for subsidies that help pay for your insurance.

Entirely too close to f*ck all, atm.  I DO have a Jim dandy 1099 tax bill coming for what little I do make, though,.  This is going to be a seriously sucky month.


Then there's a chance you do qualify for the subsidies.
 
2014-03-31 12:45:02 PM  

bunner: At the end of the day, medicine is either about healing or making exorbitant amounts of money.  This is plan A for option B.  And little else.  It  doesn't adress the inherent problem of medicine for profit.  It's just taps a different vein.


Well sure, but it's not supposed to address the problems inherent in medicine for profit.
 
2014-03-31 12:45:10 PM  

Serious Black: xanadian: FTFA:  An administration spokesman said the website is usually offline for maintenance overnight, and was brought down for four extra hours by a technical glitch

Good thing there isn't a deadline or anything that could end up costing individual taxpayers $95 or 1% of their annual income, whichever is higher...

*facepalm*

/of course, there's something to be said for not procrastinating, but still

Once again, I ask who the hell was actually awake and desperate to work on their health insurance application at 3:30am? I can understand being desperate to work on it today at some point, but in the wee hours of the morning?


Not everyone shares the same bedtime as you. There's no curfew stating when people need to be off of their computers. One of the benefits of a website is supposed to be 24/7 availability.

/I was up until about 5am this morning
 
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