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2014-03-31 12:03:37 PM
Well, before we declare the whole thing a failure and whargable everywhere what would actually constitute a "failure" of the plan? In my opinion:

1. If the number of uninsured doesn't drop in any significant way. The number is estimated at 30m. I think dropping that number to 20m would be a success.

2. If the price of healthcare increases. Reducing emergency room visits by the uninsured was one of the major goals of the program. If the price of healthcare increases then frankly everyone was monetarily better off sending the poor to the ER when they get ill.
 
2014-03-31 12:04:21 PM

Dafatone: dittybopper: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.


Doesn't mean they won't get charged with something else, or that they IRS won't dun them, or that in a year or two the law will be changed so that they can be prosecuted/liened/levied.

How the fark is this an argument!?!?

"It's not true.  But it could be true in the future if they change it!"

Wtf is this shiat?  Seriously.  What the fark is this shiat.


A friend who's a cop told me that all those radar enforced roadways are taking pictures of you plates and later they are going to change the speed limit and send out retro active speeding tickets.

He's pretty sure it's going to happen in the near future.

Trust me
 
2014-03-31 12:05:18 PM
Well that settles it. Obamacare is a failure. Institute single player at once.
 
2014-03-31 12:05:38 PM

manbart: adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....

It's to discourage people from not buying any insurance until they get sick, get treated and cancel. That kinda defeats the whole model of for profit insurance.


Except that buying insurance directly from the provider, or say through ehealthinsurance.com, doesn't HAVE "enrollment periods".  Only the exchanges do.  So, you get sick, you go buy a policy directly when you need it.

Oh, and if you lose your job, that qualifies as Hardship #14 that hasn't been widely publicized, which is essentially you state that you had "some other hardship" that prevented you from being insured, provide documentation if available.

I just got laid off, so that's my Hardship #14.  Not sure how I'm going to provide documentation of not receiving a paycheck anymore though.
 
2014-03-31 12:06:42 PM
Does one have the right to complain that the website is down when one has actively tried to bring it down?

Seriously, this is why I don't trust anyone who claims to be a Republican. This is how far they're willing to go to prevent the opposition from having a single victory.

They're not scared of the ACA because they think it'll fail. They're scared because they think it'll succeed.
 
2014-03-31 12:07:19 PM

coffeeplease: Waiting patiently to see the $2,500 in cost savings Obama promised I would see.


Small business owners. Family of four. Before ACA, $1200+ a month for shiatty coverage. After ACA, $230 a month for silver coverage. So that's a savings of  $11,640 a year for us. Except $1200 a month wasn't in the budget while also living in a home with walls, so we were without. I guess we can only estimate our savings based on the $6500*+ we spent out of pocket for medical expenses last year.

*Nothing chronic or life threatening in that number, just the average shiat that happens to an active family.
 
2014-03-31 12:08:15 PM

dok9874: Except that buying insurance directly from the provider, or say through ehealthinsurance.com, doesn't HAVE "enrollment periods".


Go to ehealthinsurance.com right now. Just the front page. Take a look at what it says.
 
2014-03-31 12:08:48 PM

JolobinSmokin: Chris Ween: Somacandra: Chris Ween: f I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others

Agreed. While we're at it, We should get rid of all fire departments because fires still happen. The best way to solve a problem is by ignoring it.

Government option or single payer.  The ACA is needlessly complicated and solves one problem while creating 10.

But, as I said, don't hurt yourself patting your back.  Most of those enrolled may have selected the marketplace options instead of their employer options.  So, this isn't even 7 million of the 30 million uninsured.  I think we will see that the ACA made some things more affordable, many things more complicated, and fixed very little in terms of obtaining coverage for the uninsured.

actually it has been estimated that 9.5 million new ppl have insurance that didn't previously.

75% of the ppl who signed up in the state of Kentucky alone previously had no insurance.


http://touch.latimes.com/#story/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-2 01 40331/


Don't you remember? Yesterday we were told that Obama was "cooking the books"... I don't recall if he was grilling them, maybe roasting them under the broiler. Either way, we were ASSURED that there was cooking going on. No evidence of this cooking, but being "assured" is enough, right?
 
2014-03-31 12:08:49 PM

Aldon: 6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.

Thanks Obama!


It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.
 
2014-03-31 12:09:00 PM
My brother falls into the Medicaid hole here in Kansas. Thanks Republicans! You may be responsible for bureaucratic delays that could lead to his death!

Hey its all about being right isn't? Beating off to the mantra? Right up until you are wrong and people die. Unfortunately the GOP cares little about American Deaths.
 
2014-03-31 12:09:07 PM

Summercat: Things get complex for a reason.


And that reason is that big campaign donors want tax breaks tailored to their situation and they get them.  Another reason:  politicians design tax codes in order to get themselves and/or their party re-elected.

To believe otherwise is naive.
 
2014-03-31 12:09:09 PM

dok9874: I just got laid off, so that's my Hardship #14. Not sure how I'm going to provide documentation of not receiving a paycheck anymore though.


File for unemployment.  They typically confirm with your employer that you were really laid off, and they include a statement about your earnings, and the date of your last paycheck in the info packets they mail you.

Whether you qualify or not it's a convenient way to obtain proof that you're unemployed as far as the state is concerned.
 
2014-03-31 12:09:31 PM

DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


The IRS has never worked that way.  Don't pay any of your taxes.  They won't do anything but send you a sternly  worded letter, but they WILL get around to prosecuting you in the next couple of years, and you will lose.


Possibly. Except if I were the sort of person who wasn't likely to sign up anyway, I would be willing to wait 3-6 months on the bet that they waive any penalty for 2014.
 
2014-03-31 12:09:33 PM

dok9874: Except that buying insurance directly from the provider, or say through ehealthinsurance.com, doesn't HAVE "enrollment periods".


Um, no. Private insurers have always had enrollment periods.
 
2014-03-31 12:11:30 PM

MemeSlave: James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?

Because it's "The Republicans" which are the problem.


or the last 10-12 years, they have been. They and their offspring the Tea Party. Oh, and those other morons who left the Republican party to become "Libertarians" without bothering to pay attention to what it entails. These splitoffs were both originally part of the Republican Party.
 
2014-03-31 12:11:32 PM

I alone am best: Aldon: 6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.

Thanks Obama!

It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.


Yeah all those people got was possibly life saving health insurance protection, what suckers!
 
2014-03-31 12:11:44 PM

whistleridge: DarnoKonrad: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


The IRS has never worked that way.  Don't pay any of your taxes.  They won't do anything but send you a sternly  worded letter, but they WILL get around to prosecuting you in the next couple of years, and you will lose.

Possibly. Except if I were the sort of person who wasn't likely to sign up anyway, I would be willing to wait 3-6 months on the bet that they waive any penalty for 2014.



Are you being paid by the GOP to spread this FUD?
 
2014-03-31 12:11:59 PM

dok9874: manbart: adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....

It's to discourage people from not buying any insurance until they get sick, get treated and cancel. That kinda defeats the whole model of for profit insurance.

Except that buying insurance directly from the provider, or say through ehealthinsurance.com, doesn't HAVE "enrollment periods".  Only the exchanges do.  So, you get sick, you go buy a policy directly when you need it.

Oh, and if you lose your job, that qualifies as Hardship #14 that hasn't been widely publicized, which is essentially you state that you had "some other hardship" that prevented you from being insured, provide documentation if available.

I just got laid off, so that's my Hardship #14.  Not sure how I'm going to provide documentation of not receiving a paycheck anymore though.


I think you are mistaken about purchasing a plan directly form an insurance provider not having an enrollment period. Here are Anthem's open enrollment dates for individual plans (which are the same as the dates on the exchange websites).

Can't you get some documentation from your former employer that you are no longer an employee? Seems like it should be a common enough request for numerous reasons.
 
2014-03-31 12:12:45 PM
Well this is what Im seeing when I try to login. Cool stuff, thanks obama.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-31 12:12:59 PM

BeesNuts: dok9874: I just got laid off, so that's my Hardship #14. Not sure how I'm going to provide documentation of not receiving a paycheck anymore though.

File for unemployment.  They typically confirm with your employer that you were really laid off, and they include a statement about your earnings, and the date of your last paycheck in the info packets they mail you.

Whether you qualify or not it's a convenient way to obtain proof that you're unemployed as far as the state is concerned.


He should probably receive info about COBRA regardless. Granted, it probably doesn't make financial sense to go with COBRA now that the exchanges exist, but that packet should have enough info to prove the recent change in employment status. Also, if he "just got laid off", then he can head on over to the exchange website and sign up without having to bother with any of this. This guy's not trying to get answers, he's trying to spread FUD.
 
2014-03-31 12:13:12 PM

I alone am best: Aldon: 6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.

Thanks Obama!

It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.


Considering the estimates on uninsured driving, a crime which CAN lead to jail time btw, yeah...  people definitely follow the rules when threatened with less than a hundred dollar penalty if caught.  Yup.  We were coerced.  By gun point.  And jack boot.

Eat it, best.  The more you flail, the harder I find to not enjoy it.
 
2014-03-31 12:14:37 PM

I alone am best: Witty_Retort: I alone am best: Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post.

Sorry reality doesn't match your pre-approved talking points.

Says the guy who is cyber stalking a Senator from another state so he can upvote anecdotal stories from other people cyber stalking the same senator.


assets.diylol.com
 
2014-03-31 12:15:00 PM
Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe
 
2014-03-31 12:15:25 PM

I alone am best: It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.


Delude yourself into thinking all 6 million people were dragged into buying insurance by the power of legislation if you'd like, but many of those people (whether they made a cameo on Cruz's fb or not) are happily signing up and thankful that they are now allowed to buy insurance.  The young invincibles will eventually figure out that getting subsidized insurance is a hell of a lot better than not being covered and paying a fine.  The enrollments will swell over time and people will wonder why it took us so long to get some reform.
 
2014-03-31 12:15:31 PM

Mr. Right: Summercat: Things get complex for a reason.

And that reason is that big campaign donors want tax breaks tailored to their situation and they get them.  Another reason:  politicians design tax codes in order to get themselves and/or their party re-elected.

To believe otherwise is naive.


Sorry, thatsabout seventy percent paranoia. Rules not just tax code - get complex the larger and more diverse a group they are supposed to cover.

I used to admin a large site. When it was smaller the rules were simple. The larger t got the more complex the rules got in reaction to events, decisions, and issues that came up.

Ive seen it time and time again, online andni person, and it is generally how history develops.

Complex shiat needs comex rules and we live in a complex society. You are kidding yourself if you think simple answers will be flexable enough to work.
 
2014-03-31 12:15:35 PM

jjorsett: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?

Because this phase gave you total confidence in the government's ability to not screw up single payer just as badly?


ACA's had screw ups. Oh well. It's the first run of the damn thing. But since you will pin any error in a website as a catastrophic failure, then my only choice is to say, "F*ck you, single payer." Because your alternative (My MS-stricken wife getting underwritten, not affording her medication, and dying while we go broke) is a no-go in the Toxin house.
 
2014-03-31 12:15:54 PM

Serious Black: xanadian: FTFA:  An administration spokesman said the website is usually offline for maintenance overnight, and was brought down for four extra hours by a technical glitch

Good thing there isn't a deadline or anything that could end up costing individual taxpayers $95 or 1% of their annual income, whichever is higher...

*facepalm*

/of course, there's something to be said for not procrastinating, but still

Once again, I ask who the hell was actually awake and desperate to work on their health insurance application at 3:30am? I can understand being desperate to work on it today at some point, but in the wee hours of the morning?


My friend and I were playing reaper of souls last night and he tried to finish his app when we took a break. Lol

/fun game
//crusader op.
 
2014-03-31 12:16:33 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


call this number 1-800-318-2596 rather than asking trolls on Fark.
 
2014-03-31 12:16:58 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


If you are currently unemployed and without an income, you are exempt from the penalty.
 
2014-03-31 12:17:31 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


I don't think so, but you're on a computer, so go to va.gov and search for further information.
 
2014-03-31 12:17:48 PM

I alone am best: Witty_Retort: I alone am best: Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post.

Sorry reality doesn't match your pre-approved talking points.

Says the guy who is cyber stalking a Senator from another state so he can upvote anecdotal stories from other people cyber stalking the same senator.


I was going to read your comment, but I'm afraid you'd report me for stalking.
 
2014-03-31 12:18:13 PM

TheNewJesus: My brother falls into the Medicaid hole here in Kansas. Thanks Republicans! You may be responsible for bureaucratic delays that could lead to his death!

Hey its all about being right isn't? Beating off to the mantra? Right up until you are wrong and people die. Unfortunately the GOP cares little about American Deaths.


My mom is screwed by Indiana rejecting the Medicare expansion.  She's a month from retirement age with multiple health issues preventing her from working any more and she has been denied insurance because of her conditions for the past two years.  Her and my dad are currently filing for bankruptcy because they've been paying thousands a month out of pocket for her medications and treatments.  I feel your pain.
 
2014-03-31 12:18:35 PM

Rincewind53: Um, it works perfectly fine.


The website's not down.  Your browser is racist.
 
2014-03-31 12:18:49 PM

thurstonxhowell: BeesNuts: dok9874: I just got laid off, so that's my Hardship #14. Not sure how I'm going to provide documentation of not receiving a paycheck anymore though.

File for unemployment.  They typically confirm with your employer that you were really laid off, and they include a statement about your earnings, and the date of your last paycheck in the info packets they mail you.

Whether you qualify or not it's a convenient way to obtain proof that you're unemployed as far as the state is concerned.

He should probably receive info about COBRA regardless. Granted, it probably doesn't make financial sense to go with COBRA now that the exchanges exist, but that packet should have enough info to prove the recent change in employment status. Also, if he "just got laid off", then he can head on over to the exchange website and sign up without having to bother with any of this. This guy's not trying to get answers, he's trying to spread FUD.


And I'm happy to alleviate said fake doubts, fears and uncertainties.

Like the one a moment ago complaining about the website.  This is what I see:
i59.tinypic.com

So basically they are being more amenable than any private company has in the history of ever.  But they are incompetent and want you to suffer.

I'm just *loving* the desperation.
 
2014-03-31 12:19:13 PM

Carn: TheNewJesus: My brother falls into the Medicaid hole here in Kansas. Thanks Republicans! You may be responsible for bureaucratic delays that could lead to his death!

Hey its all about being right isn't? Beating off to the mantra? Right up until you are wrong and people die. Unfortunately the GOP cares little about American Deaths.

My mom is screwed by Indiana rejecting the Medicare expansion.  She's a month from retirement age with multiple health issues preventing her from working any more and she has been denied insurance because of her conditions for the past two years.  Her and my dad are currently filing for bankruptcy because they've been paying thousands a month out of pocket for her medications and treatments.  I feel your pain.


images.politico.com
 
2014-03-31 12:19:18 PM

BeesNuts: I alone am best: Aldon: 6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.

Thanks Obama!

It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.

Considering the estimates on uninsured driving, a crime which CAN lead to jail time btw, yeah...  people definitely follow the rules when threatened with less than a hundred dollar penalty if caught.  Yup.  We were coerced.  By gun point.  And jack boot.

Eat it, best.  The more you flail, the harder I find to not enjoy it.



Hey, it could work out. However, pointing to how many people have signed up is in no way indicative of the popularity since it was indeed coerced participation.
 
2014-03-31 12:20:12 PM

DarnoKonrad: Carn: TheNewJesus: My brother falls into the Medicaid hole here in Kansas. Thanks Republicans! You may be responsible for bureaucratic delays that could lead to his death!

Hey its all about being right isn't? Beating off to the mantra? Right up until you are wrong and people die. Unfortunately the GOP cares little about American Deaths.

My mom is screwed by Indiana rejecting the Medicare expansion.  She's a month from retirement age with multiple health issues preventing her from working any more and she has been denied insurance because of her conditions for the past two years.  Her and my dad are currently filing for bankruptcy because they've been paying thousands a month out of pocket for her medications and treatments.  I feel your pain.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]


Exactly.  That motherf*cker can DIAF.
 
2014-03-31 12:20:35 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


IRS response:  move in with someone else or find a cheaper rent.. sell your car and eat less and pay  Pay PAY!!!!!

https://www.healthcare.gov/if-im-a-military-veteran-what-do-i-need-t o- know-about-the-marketplace/
 
2014-03-31 12:20:57 PM

glassa: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?

After the freaking mess that this whole thing has caused, you want to give the feds ENTIRE control over all of it?  You unimaginable fool!

single payer = single denier.  And if you want to sign over your entire body to the control of federal government (who can't find their ass from a hole in the ground), fine have fun with that.  The rest of us don't want that nightmare, so don't inflict it on us.

If you don't think the feds will use the healthcare system as a weapon against their political enemies, the way they use the IRS, you're an even bigger fool.  And remember, the Dems won't always be the ones in charge.  So you may be the one with the target on your back.  Don't put it past them.

I don't trust the government enough to give them complete control over everything like that.  But it's cute that you do.


Don't presume to speak for the rest of "us". We aren't all as ignorant as you are.
 
2014-03-31 12:21:12 PM
I remember when I was back in college, and some poor souls tried to register for classes the day before registration closed. The computers always crashed. Always.

You know what the response was from the administrators?

"Ya'll are dumbshiats for trying to register at the last minute. You've had 4 months to register, and if you really cared about your schooling you would have done it by now."

It amazes me that large swaths of people would put off caring about their health until the very last second.
 
2014-03-31 12:21:14 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


IDK about VA benefits, but it can't hurt to get on the exchanges, you may qualify for medicaid.  Then again, you might already be covered.  I know this comes across as shocking, but the telephone lines are actually pretty helpful but they have wait times of about 2 hours average.  Probably worse today.
 
2014-03-31 12:22:06 PM

Carn: We should petition President Romney to put a stop to this!


President Romney, on his first day in office, would have repealed Obamacare.... but first he would have set off those fireworks over the Boston Harbor.  Priorities, people!!!!  Priorities!!!!
 
2014-03-31 12:22:30 PM

I alone am best: coerced participation


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-31 12:22:35 PM

I alone am best: BeesNuts: I alone am best: Aldon: 6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.

Thanks Obama!

It is amazing that 6 million people threatened with a penalty actually followed the law! This is just like the amazing popularity that the IRS commands. Just look at how many people filed taxes! The government is on a roll.

Considering the estimates on uninsured driving, a crime which CAN lead to jail time btw, yeah...  people definitely follow the rules when threatened with less than a hundred dollar penalty if caught.  Yup.  We were coerced.  By gun point.  And jack boot.

Eat it, best.  The more you flail, the harder I find to not enjoy it.


Hey, it could work out. However, pointing to how many people have signed up is in no way indicative of the popularity since it was indeed coerced participation.


I don't think people are citing those figures to point out its popularity.  I think it's to point out that it's working.  That people are getting health insurance.  I'm not sure you don't agree, but I'm quite certain it's not what you want to talk about, so carry on.
 
2014-03-31 12:22:46 PM

Chris Ween: Most of those enrolled may have selected the marketplace options instead of their employer options.


Count me as one of these.  Company was paying $450/month for shiatty Aetna coverage, and through the ACA, I found fantastic coverage for $442/month. I managed to convince my boss to give me the $450/month instead of Aetna, and I'm in a much better position today than 3 months ago.  Prescriptions for a chronic condition that cost me thousands a year before will now cost me hundreds a year.

/I know not everyone has a boss who will work with them.  YMMV.
 
2014-03-31 12:23:03 PM

Carn: My mom is screwed by Indiana rejecting the Medicare expansion.


Many of the states that chose not to expand are reconsidering that decision. Cross your fingers and write your congressional reps.
 
2014-03-31 12:23:05 PM

glassa: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?

After the freaking mess that this whole thing has caused, you want to give the feds ENTIRE control over all of it?  You unimaginable fool!

single payer = single denier.  And if you want to sign over your entire body to the control of federal government (who can't find their ass from a hole in the ground), fine have fun with that.  The rest of us don't want that nightmare, so don't inflict it on us.

If you don't think the feds will use the healthcare system as a weapon against their political enemies, the way they use the IRS, you're an even bigger fool.  And remember, the Dems won't always be the ones in charge.  So you may be the one with the target on your back.  Don't put it past them.

I don't trust the government enough to give them complete control over everything like that.  But it's cute that you do.


Is this the way the government in the UK is with their universal healthcare? You would think you'd hear more horror stories coming out of England about their evil, oppressive government controlling the lives of the citizens.
 
2014-03-31 12:23:40 PM
Not happening. I make too much for MassHealth (hint: I don't) and the lowest possible plan they offer is approximately 27 hours' pay before taxes. So as soon as they get it down to, say, 15-20 hours, I'll get right on that....
 
2014-03-31 12:23:41 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: Honest question here:  If, as a vet, I am able to go to a VA hospital, do I still need to sign up for ACA?  Currently unemployed (got laid off in December).  I have ZERO dollars to pay for health insurance.  After rent, car note and groceries, I'm flat broke.  It won't last forever, but for right now, I simply don't have any extra money for insurance.

/another penalty is meaningless...they can get in line for what they say I owe


In the case of ZERO dollars, you are probably eligible for subsidies that may cover most if not all of your premium or as long as you are not living in a Red state with a$$hole legislature and governor, you are probably eligible now for the expanded Medicaid.
 
2014-03-31 12:25:28 PM

James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?


I think we already know that answer.

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