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2014-03-31 11:45:07 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....

If you can enroll at any time you want there would be no reason for you to enroll before you got sick/injured.  But there are exceptions..............if you get married, divorced, have a kid, gain or lose access to other insurance you can enroll or unenroll in coverage within 30 days of the event.

 
2014-03-31 11:46:17 AM  

whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


Because this phase gave you total confidence in the government's ability to not screw up single payer just as badly?
 
2014-03-31 11:46:39 AM  

Dafatone: Wtf is this shiat?


utterly predictable and in no way surprising is what it is
 
2014-03-31 11:46:49 AM  

whistleridge: mrshowrules: If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others?  Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?

This is strange.  Maybe there weren't 30 million in need.  Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.

So the problem is that is only reducing the uninsured?  Not clear on what your point is.

Keep in mind that this represents millions of people who couldn't get insurance before but wanted to.  Not sure on the precise number but for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.

Secondly, this reduces the burden on hundreds of millions of responsible insurance holders because they won't have to cover as much in terms of emergency room visits from the uninsured.

Finally, every single American benefits from the consumer protections in Obamacare, not to mention the fringe economic benefits of having your health care security detached from your employer, not to mention the likely reduction in medical bankruptcies going forward.

To say there are still many uninsured is short sighted.  Also, moving the goal post because the actual GOP guarantee was actually that Obamacare was going to destroy the country and cause 1,000 years of darkness

I'm going to go with 'when you're working for $11/hr, paying an average of $1300 for rent with 3 roommates, have a car payment, a student loan payment/kids to feed/both, and zero savings, an extra couple hundred a month for health insurance is one hit to your wallet that you will avoid for as long as possible'. It's not that people are stupid, lazy, or disinterested in their health, it's that the real problems of today (my roommate didn't pay rent, I need $450 TODAY) outweigh the potential problems of tomorrow (I could get sick).

Also...it's complicated. TOO complicated.

Make it cheap, make it easy, and you incentivize people to buy in. Right now, it's pricey, it's complicated, and there's no real penalty for ducking...so they will. I'd bet $5 on it.


Isnt there an excemption if its 8% or more of your income?
 
2014-03-31 11:47:34 AM  

I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?

A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.


Right, because it was presented as "legit commentary from 100% of the country".
 
2014-03-31 11:47:36 AM  

I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?

A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.


If you had bothered to click the provided link, you would see that those are the top rated comments for his page.
But if a conspiracy is much easier for your simple mind to comprehend then that people actually like the law, go let your freak flag fly.
 
2014-03-31 11:47:42 AM  

Serious Black: Too bad healthcare.gov is back up now. Makes the overnight outage seem more like a bit of scheduled maintenance before the last day of signups than anything else.

/who really wanted to work on their application at 3:30am anyway?


Rincewind53: Um, it works perfectly fine.


Maybe we have "special" internet.
 
2014-03-31 11:47:54 AM  
Waiting patiently to see the $2,500 in cost savings Obama promised I would see.
 
2014-03-31 11:48:05 AM  

Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.


The real problem is that there actually is a Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986.  Can we simplify the damned thing, eliminate all the loopholes (which only the rich have enough tax liability to use), reduce the percentage of our national productivity consumed by tax tracking and preparation, and reduce the necessity of armies of IRS workers?

Will Rogers posited that "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has."
 
2014-03-31 11:48:54 AM  

vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.


And probably 75% of those people don't realize they have the ACA to thank for that.
 
2014-03-31 11:49:00 AM  

I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?

A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.


Moonbats with insurance
 
2014-03-31 11:49:26 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


There is an enrollment period because you shouldn't be able to wait to sign up right until you need it to cover something. If you break your leg you can't crawl back into the house and buy a plan.

If you lose your job, move out of state, get married, get divorced, or have a kid, it triggers another enrollment period during which you can enroll.
 
2014-03-31 11:49:30 AM  
Wait until the employer mandate kicks in, almost everyone who works for a living will only be able to afford a $5000 deductible plan. That's a tax folks, the largest in the history of our country.
 
2014-03-31 11:49:43 AM  

Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?


Ted, don't bring the Internet a stick to beat you with.
 
2014-03-31 11:49:45 AM  
Isnt there an excemption if its 8% or more of your income?

I'm not sure what the exact % is, but you are correct in saying their is a cap.  If the cost of coverage goes above that cap you are not required to buy it.

/ Thanks, Obama
 
2014-03-31 11:49:53 AM  

coffeeplease: Waiting patiently to see the $2,500 in cost savings Obama promised I would see.


Considering your comments, I doubt you are an Average American.

/i saved only $2,200 per year, so Obama is a big fat poopyhead liar.
 
2014-03-31 11:50:54 AM  

ManateeGag: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: So the site was down or a few minutes and its a headline?

Obama lied.  He will always betray you.  The Obamacare implosion continues.

/amidoingitirght

Obamacare raped my mother while pouring sugar into my gas tank.


Why was your mother putting sugar into your gas tank?
 
2014-03-31 11:52:09 AM  

R.A.Danny: This one better? It's from the "other" side.

Or is anyone here going to step and tell us that there will be no tax, fine, or other penalty?


Apparently everyone who pays taxes is a criminal now.  Thanks Danny.  You're helpful.  Full of helpful information that helps people.
 
2014-03-31 11:52:14 AM  

Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).

Uh huh.
As we enter the final days of this historic open enrollment period, more than 6 million Americans have signed up for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplaces since October 1, thanks to the Affordable Care Act.
 
2014-03-31 11:52:48 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


hey, go here for the answer to your question:
https://www.healthcare.gov/what-key-dates-do-i-need-to-know/

A: Open Enrollment resumes on November 15, 2014, not next January
B: Lost your job? Got Married? Got Divorced?  Birth of a Child?  That is a LIFE CHANGING EVENT (see above link) that qualifies you for a SPECIAL ENROLLMENT PERIOD
 
2014-03-31 11:53:09 AM  

Witty_Retort: I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?

A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.

If you had bothered to click the provided link, you would see that those are the top rated comments for his page.
But if a conspiracy is much easier for your simple mind to comprehend then that people actually like the law, go let your freak flag fly.


Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post.

/I am guessing you follow Republicans on Facebook.
 
2014-03-31 11:53:58 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Signed up my mother-in-law a few weeks ago.  It was surprisingly cheap and painless.

I assume this makes me worse than Hitler.


47%er! Welfare Queen!
 
2014-03-31 11:54:57 AM  

I alone am best: Witty_Retort: I alone am best: Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?

A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.

If you had bothered to click the provided link, you would see that those are the top rated comments for his page.
But if a conspiracy is much easier for your simple mind to comprehend then that people actually like the law, go let your freak flag fly.

Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post.

/I am guessing you follow Republicans on Facebook.


You seem extremely concerned about what other people are doing on Facebook.
 
2014-03-31 11:55:53 AM  

MBrady: Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).

then make sure you tell all the news media that, because that is precisely what they are calling it.  Signing up for 0bamacare.


The only people I've ever seen call it Zero-bamacare are idiots.
 
2014-03-31 11:56:15 AM  
You can use this magical website called a "Google" to look for printable versions of the application. Fill out your copy, mail it to the address shown, and some hapless worker in Kentucky will take care of all the website shenanigans for you.
 
2014-03-31 11:56:47 AM  

jjorsett: Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).Uh huh.
As we enter the final days of this historic open enrollment period, more than 6 million Americans have signed up for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplaces since October 1, thanks to the Affordable Care Act.


Now this is a special kind of stupid. Jesus...
 
2014-03-31 11:56:54 AM  
Serves you right for waiting until the last possible minute, slackers.
 
2014-03-31 11:57:16 AM  
People who don't sign up for obamacare need to be rounded up and sent to FEMA camps. We need to start making examples of these scum. The health insurance companies have our best interest at heart here and they aren't concerned with making profits. Why would Obama pass this law then?
 
2014-03-31 11:57:16 AM  

whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


After the freaking mess that this whole thing has caused, you want to give the feds ENTIRE control over all of it?  You unimaginable fool!

single payer = single denier.  And if you want to sign over your entire body to the control of federal government (who can't find their ass from a hole in the ground), fine have fun with that.  The rest of us don't want that nightmare, so don't inflict it on us.

If you don't think the feds will use the healthcare system as a weapon against their political enemies, the way they use the IRS, you're an even bigger fool.  And remember, the Dems won't always be the ones in charge.  So you may be the one with the target on your back.  Don't put it past them.

I don't trust the government enough to give them complete control over everything like that.  But it's cute that you do.
 
2014-03-31 11:57:20 AM  

I alone am best: Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post.


Sorry reality doesn't match your pre-approved talking points.
 
2014-03-31 11:57:23 AM  
I'm already on the government single payer plan. Any meds I might ever need cost me $9/Month. All it took was having my body broken while in service to the United States Army.

/Thanks taxpayers!
//You're welcome.
 
2014-03-31 11:57:23 AM  

Mr. Right: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.

The real problem is that there actually is a Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986.  Can we simplify the damned thing, eliminate all the loopholes (which only the rich have enough tax liability to use), reduce the percentage of our national productivity consumed by tax tracking and preparation, and reduce the necessity of armies of IRS workers?

Will Rogers posited that "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has."


Simple answe cause im on my phone:

Real life is a complex biatch if you try to make effective rules, and the more pieces and people involved the more rules you have to have to keep things from flying apart.

Things get complex for a reason.
 
2014-03-31 11:58:17 AM  
The only thing that matters here as far as whether ACA is going to stay or not is this:  are the insurance companies for it or against it?

If they are for it the Republicans will salute and carry on.  All the while biatching about how it is the death of freedom and liberty.

The most that might come out of it (if the Republicans regain control of the Senate and the Presidency) is that it will become ACA by another name.

When their corporate masters crack the whip, they jump through the flaming hoop.  Simple. (Both parties BTW).
 
2014-03-31 11:59:03 AM  

glassa: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?

After the freaking mess that this whole thing has caused, you want to give the feds ENTIRE control over all of it?  You unimaginable fool!

single payer = single denier.  And if you want to sign over your entire body to the control of federal government (who can't find their ass from a hole in the ground), fine have fun with that.  The rest of us don't want that nightmare, so don't inflict it on us.

If you don't think the feds will use the healthcare system as a weapon against their political enemies, the way they use the IRS, you're an even bigger fool.  And remember, the Dems won't always be the ones in charge.  So you may be the one with the target on your back.  Don't put it past them.

I don't trust the government enough to give them complete control over everything like that.  But it's cute that you do.


Going to suggest you leave this kind of thing to Pocket Ninja and Mike Lowell.
 
2014-03-31 11:59:21 AM  

coffeeplease: Waiting patiently to see the $2,500 in cost savings Obama promised I would see.


Not sure what your annual premium totals are but whatever the net savings/increases are, they should not be based on what you were paying before the law was passed but what you would have paid today if the law was never passed.  This is also assuming that any insurance company would want you as a client today based on your medical history.
 
2014-03-31 11:59:36 AM  
so am I gonna get arrested if I don't sign up?

I don't think so, but will I ave to pay a tax penalty?

Maybe.  I don't know.  I don't really even care.  I hope I die before get old.
 
2014-03-31 12:00:25 PM  
When was it operable?
 
2014-03-31 12:00:49 PM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


Things like getting married, having a baby, getting a giant raise, losing your job, or dying can dramatically effect your healthcare and tax situation.  News at 11.

Snark off/

Perviously, if you lost your job randomly, your options include COBRA or Medicaid.  If you lost your job, or really underwent any serious life-changing event, you get an individual enrollment period.  As it stands, I think you can enroll whenever through the exchange, it's just that we've attached a tax penalty to failure to enroll.  A penalty which demands some kind of deadline before it can be enforced.  They're being extraordinarily fair on this.

Like.  Unbelievably reasonable over a $95 dollar tax.  Imagine if the parking authority were this understanding about how you didn't move your car from a handicapped spot for three days cause you were 'busy'.  Or better yet because you have a religious opposition to catering to the handicapped and therefore can't recognize handicapped spots...
 
2014-03-31 12:00:53 PM  

jjorsett: whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?

Because this phase gave you total confidence in the government's ability to not screw up single payer just as badly?


The Republican Obstructionists can go fark themselves and then yes, we'll be just fine implementing new programs.
 
2014-03-31 12:01:28 PM  

advex101: The only thing that matters here as far as whether ACA is going to stay or not is this:  are the insurance companies for it or against it?


I'm assuming they are going to be for it because the only alternative will be single-payer.  They have a vested interest in it and insuring they keep on getting their 30% cut even thought they don't provide any service of actual use.
 
2014-03-31 12:01:55 PM  

MBrady: Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).

then make sure you tell all the news media that, because that is precisely what they are calling it.  Signing up for 0bamacare.


I can't help it that you love being lied to.  Get over that hurdle yourself.
 
2014-03-31 12:02:02 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: When was it operable?


On November 17th when I signed up.
Took 37.4 minutes.
But I was playing solitaire in another window.
 
2014-03-31 12:02:14 PM  
get it

the letter "o" is similar to the arabic numeral 0

it is a joke you see
 
2014-03-31 12:02:53 PM  

GWSuperfan: mrshowrules: for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.

Yep. I'm one of them. $3000/mo premiums (pre-ACA) were a little steep. $275/mo (now) I can handle though.

/Self-employed
//Pre-existing conditions


You obviously mis-typed those numbers... We all know from the news that everyone's premiums are skyrocketing. From what I have been following in the news, for example, I would say that your premiums really went from 7 cents a month to $10,000 a week, thanks to History's Greatest Monster.

amiite? ;-)
 
2014-03-31 12:03:15 PM  

Witty_Retort: I alone am best: Oh, I see. That changes things, or it doesnt. Yeah, I am going to just use the same argument I used last time for this post.

Sorry reality doesn't match your pre-approved talking points.


Says the guy who is cyber stalking a Senator from another state so he can upvote anecdotal stories from other people cyber stalking the same senator.
 
2014-03-31 12:03:25 PM  

whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?



The IRS has never worked that way.  Don't pay any of your taxes.  They won't do anything but send you a sternly  worded letter, but they WILL get around to prosecuting you in the next couple of years, and you will lose.
 
2014-03-31 12:03:26 PM  
6 million sign ups are pretty amazing considering 26 Republican governors actively worked to make the program fail.

Thanks Obama!
 
2014-03-31 12:03:36 PM  

glassa: single payer = single denier. And if you want to sign over your entire body to the control of federal government (who can't find their ass from a hole in the ground), fine have fun with that. The rest of us don't want that nightmare, so don't inflict it on us.


I would much rather put it in the hands of for-profit insurance companies because they really care about me.
 
2014-03-31 12:03:37 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: When was it operable?


When I used it.  When my mom used it.  When my aunt used it. When about 6-10 million people used it.  Successfully.  Seems like it operated just fine.

But I must have imagined that cause the only thing the government can do right is waste money invading other countries or something.
 
2014-03-31 12:03:37 PM  
Well, before we declare the whole thing a failure and whargable everywhere what would actually constitute a "failure" of the plan? In my opinion:

1. If the number of uninsured doesn't drop in any significant way. The number is estimated at 30m. I think dropping that number to 20m would be a success.

2. If the price of healthcare increases. Reducing emergency room visits by the uninsured was one of the major goals of the program. If the price of healthcare increases then frankly everyone was monetarily better off sending the poor to the ER when they get ill.
 
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