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2014-03-31 11:09:05 AM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: dittybopper: If you just ignore section of your tax return on the insurance part, or lie and say you have insurance when you don't actually have it, they'll prosecute you for filing a frivolous return.

You mean to tell me that the Federal government might take a dim view of cheating on one's taxes? Fetch me my laudanum! I have with the vapours!

I was pointing out that the whole "We won't prosecute" thing only applies to a small percentage of the possible cases.

So it's not *QUITE* a lie, but it's not wholly truthful either.


It only applies to cases where you don't break a different law.  Great analysis there.
 
2014-03-31 11:09:50 AM  

Chris Ween: I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either.


Wow. Poking the Modmins in the eye today? Have a good one :-)
 
2014-03-31 11:12:09 AM  

Somacandra: Chris Ween: I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either.

Wow. Poking the Modmins in the eye today? Have a good one :-)


Yeah, Ween. You better watch your ass.
 
2014-03-31 11:12:32 AM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: dittybopper: If you just ignore section of your tax return on the insurance part, or lie and say you have insurance when you don't actually have it, they'll prosecute you for filing a frivolous return.

You mean to tell me that the Federal government might take a dim view of cheating on one's taxes? Fetch me my laudanum! I have with the vapours!

I was pointing out that the whole "We won't prosecute" thing only applies to a small percentage of the possible cases.

So it's not *QUITE* a lie, but it's not wholly truthful either.


Yes, but they won't be prosecuted for not paying the fine in that scenario you described. They'll be prosecuted for a tax issue that is, at the absolute most, tangentially related to them not paying the fine.
 
2014-03-31 11:12:57 AM  

mrshowrules: for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.


Yep. I'm one of them. $3000/mo premiums (pre-ACA) were a little steep. $275/mo (now) I can handle though.

/Self-employed
//Pre-existing conditions
 
2014-03-31 11:14:13 AM  

Somacandra: Chris Ween: Most of those enrolled may have selected the marketplace options instead of their employer options.

That would indeed be interesting if it were true. Especially since those with employer-sponsored coverage (like me) are not eligible for any exchange subsidies.


Some people find it cheaper through the exchange even with the subsidies.  Hard to believe I know.

Somacandra: Chris Ween: I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either.

Wow. Poking the Modmins in the eye today? Have a good one :-)


Heh.  Not to threadjack, but I was amazed at how well Kentucky played.  They will be good for this year and next, then all their Freshman will be in the NBA.
 
2014-03-31 11:15:18 AM  

Somacandra: Serious Black: Obama is in charge of the Kaiser Family Foundation now?

Of course. Hitler inherited the remnants of Kaiser Wilhelm's government, and as we all know ChairMAO Balrog Insane B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein SuperAllah Hussein FartBama Al-Chicago Hussein is History's Greatest MonsterTM so of course he would have already seized the assets of the Third Reich along the way towards establishing the 666 Reich. See, its these things about the Kaiser Family Foundation that no one tells you.


Kaiser Wilhelm!?  He's the most evil German of all time.
 
2014-03-31 11:17:22 AM  
Yeah, maybe don't wait until the last minute to try and use a web site that has had a history of load problems.
 
2014-03-31 11:24:11 AM  

James!: Somacandra: Chris Ween: I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either.

Wow. Poking the Modmins in the eye today? Have a good one :-)

Yeah, Ween. You better watch your ass.


Heh.  I'm afraid all the Modmins know and dislike me already.
 
2014-03-31 11:32:16 AM  

James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?


Because it's "The Republicans" which are the problem.
 
2014-03-31 11:32:34 AM  

mrshowrules: So screw over the people for which the penalty was the deciding factor in getting insurance?


In an election year, absolutely.
 
2014-03-31 11:33:05 AM  

GWSuperfan: mrshowrules: for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.

Yep. I'm one of them. $3000/mo premiums (pre-ACA) were a little steep. $275/mo (now) I can handle though.

/Self-employed
//Pre-existing conditions


What is the GOP counter anecdote to something like this.  What is the rabid chupacabra to this rainbow unicorn?
 
2014-03-31 11:33:29 AM  
I heard I just have to say I tried and I get an extension.

I do not like it.
 
2014-03-31 11:34:01 AM  

Tom_Slick: mrshowrules: So screw over the people for which the penalty was the deciding factor in getting insurance?

In an election year, absolutely.


but every 2nd year in an election year...
 
2014-03-31 11:34:14 AM  
Well, considering open enrollment just started yesterday and the website is the only way you can sign up, this is an outrage.
 
2014-03-31 11:35:33 AM  

vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.


Do tell.
 
2014-03-31 11:35:41 AM  

Chris Ween: James!: Somacandra: Chris Ween: I didn't want Kentucky to be allowed to shoot that three yesterday with 2.3 seconds left either.

Wow. Poking the Modmins in the eye today? Have a good one :-)

Yeah, Ween. You better watch your ass.

Heh.  I'm afraid all the Modmins know and dislike me already.


You too?  Let's grab a beer and eat sushi off a hooker's belly
 
2014-03-31 11:36:11 AM  

Rincewind53: Um, it works perfectly fine.


WRONG!  The healthcare.gov website HAS NEVER WORKED, and WILL NEVER WORK.  Anyone who thinks it works has been hypnotized by the Soros Mind-Control Ray.
 
2014-03-31 11:36:17 AM  
 
2014-03-31 11:36:28 AM  

R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!


You think paying an excise tax makes you a "criminal"? So buying gas or tobacco makes one a "criminal"?
 
2014-03-31 11:36:43 AM  
Lined up to get enrolled at the Alamodome.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-03-31 11:37:22 AM  
Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....
 
2014-03-31 11:37:41 AM  

Serious Black: R.A.Danny: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.

Tell Obama that.

Obama is in charge of the Kaiser Family Foundation now? Shiat, next you'll tell me that he was the guy who oversalted my french fries last night!


You shouldn't be eating salty fried food.
 
2014-03-31 11:37:51 AM  

vernonFL: So far, 10 million more people have health insurance- either privately or through medicaid expansion- than had it before.


is this not a good thing?
 
2014-03-31 11:37:57 AM  

MemeSlave: James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?

Because it's "The Republicans" which are the problem.


Yes.
 
2014-03-31 11:38:16 AM  
If the government can't work flawlessly, it shouldn't waste our money trying.
 
2014-03-31 11:38:32 AM  
We should petition President Romney to put a stop to this!
 
2014-03-31 11:38:34 AM  

whistleridge: Or, you know, just  don't sign up. I'm sure when 25,000,000 people all complain, they'll wind up just waiving it for the year. There's simply no way they try to enforce this in an election year. As bad as it is to cave, it would be far, far worse to fine a bunch of people.

/ can we have single-payer yet?


What about people that need insurance in case they get sick or injured?
 
2014-03-31 11:39:06 AM  
Did the Home For Right-wing Retards let the crew out early today?  This thread literally stinks of conservative desperation.
 
2014-03-31 11:39:08 AM  

dittybopper: Serious Black: R.A.Danny: And tomorrow there will be hundreds of thousands more criminals in the US. YAY!

Section 5000A(g)(2) of Subtitle D of the IRS Code of 1986 says that no taxpayer can be subjected to criminal prosecution or have a lien or levy filed against their property for failure to pay the individual shared responsibility payment.


Doesn't mean they won't get charged with something else, or that they IRS won't dun them, or that in a year or two the law will be changed so that they can be prosecuted/liened/levied.


How the fark is this an argument!?!?

"It's not true.  But it could be true in the future if they change it!"

Wtf is this shiat?  Seriously.  What the fark is this shiat.
 
2014-03-31 11:39:08 AM  

Somacandra: You don't "sign up" for "Obamacare." The Federal and State exchanges merely facilitate the purchase of existing private insurance for those not already otherwise covered, or refer you to the existing Medicaid structure (if your state isn't run by asshats).


I'm really surprised no one has created a product at one of these insurance companies called "Obamacare", just so they can have a talking point "See, you can indeed sign up for Obamacare!"

Of course, the insurance companies like the extra customers, even if they don't like the 80/20 rule.
 
2014-03-31 11:39:15 AM  

mrshowrules: If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others?  Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?

This is strange.  Maybe there weren't 30 million in need.  Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.

So the problem is that is only reducing the uninsured?  Not clear on what your point is.

Keep in mind that this represents millions of people who couldn't get insurance before but wanted to.  Not sure on the precise number but for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.

Secondly, this reduces the burden on hundreds of millions of responsible insurance holders because they won't have to cover as much in terms of emergency room visits from the uninsured.

Finally, every single American benefits from the consumer protections in Obamacare, not to mention the fringe economic benefits of having your health care security detached from your employer, not to mention the likely reduction in medical bankruptcies going forward.

To say there are still many uninsured is short sighted.  Also, moving the goal post because the actual GOP guarantee was actually that Obamacare was going to destroy the country and cause 1,000 years of darkness


I'm going to go with 'when you're working for $11/hr, paying an average of $1300 for rent with 3 roommates, have a car payment, a student loan payment/kids to feed/both, and zero savings, an extra couple hundred a month for health insurance is one hit to your wallet that you will avoid for as long as possible'. It's not that people are stupid, lazy, or disinterested in their health, it's that the real problems of today (my roommate didn't pay rent, I need $450 TODAY) outweigh the potential problems of tomorrow (I could get sick).

Also...it's complicated. TOO complicated.

Make it cheap, make it easy, and you incentivize people to buy in. Right now, it's pricey, it's complicated, and there's no real penalty for ducking...so they will. I'd bet $5 on it.
 
2014-03-31 11:39:23 AM  
I successfully enrolled in a silver Blue Cross plan via the ACA sight last Thursday. The site was fine, but I've yet to receive any type  of confirmation or payment instructions. A littleoff-putting  but I'm figuring they're being bombarded right now. Nonetheless, the Blue Cross has made me a criminal! Don't they want my money?
 
2014-03-31 11:40:04 AM  
OBAMACARE DEATH PANELS ARE REAL!!
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2014-03-31 11:40:34 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


It's still insurance.
 
2014-03-31 11:40:52 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


It's to discourage people from not buying any insurance until they get sick, get treated and cancel. That kinda defeats the whole model of for profit insurance.
 
2014-03-31 11:40:59 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


Qualifying life events like the birth of a child or a major job change entitle you to a special enrollment period where you can change your insurance.
 
2014-03-31 11:41:38 AM  

mrshowrules: Keep in mind that this represents millions of people who couldn't get insurance before but wanted to. Not sure on the precise number but for these people, Obamacare is actually a rainbow shiatting unicorn.


o/
 
2014-03-31 11:41:44 AM  

Chris Ween: If I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance. How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others? Isn't this kinda of a minor milestone since, years after passage, most of those 30 million are still going to be uncovered?

This is strange. Maybe there weren't 30 million in need. Or maybe people just can't be trusted to get their own coverage...even when spoon fed and forced to at tax penalty point.


Keep in mind, 7 million is the number of policies.  A policy can cover more than one person.  Also a lot are being covered by the expansion of Medicaid.

And, of course, some of those seven million are just people who switched policies and were already previously covered.
 
2014-03-31 11:42:41 AM  

MemeSlave: James!: So after tomorrow when the world doesn't end do you think republicans will stop being such morons?

Because it's "The Republicans" which are the problem.


Anyone who stands in the way of the greatest assemblage of political minds in the history of the world is a scourge upon this nation.
 
2014-03-31 11:42:44 AM  
How about just nationalize it instead of pushing legislation allowing the insurance companies to profit?
 
2014-03-31 11:43:05 AM  

whistleridge: I'm going to go with 'when you're working for $11/hr, paying an average of $1300 for rent with 3 roommates, have a car payment, a student loan payment/kids to feed/both, and zero savings, an extra couple hundred a month for health insurance is one hit to your wallet that you will avoid for as long as possible'. It's not that people are stupid, lazy, or disinterested in their health, it's that the real problems of today (my roommate didn't pay rent, I need $450 TODAY) outweigh the potential problems of tomorrow (I could get sick).

Also...it's complicated. TOO complicated.

Make it cheap, make it easy, and you incentivize people to buy in. Right now, it's pricey, it's complicated, and there's no real penalty for ducking...so they will. I'd bet $5 on it.


Well the GOP killed the public option.  Anyways, Obamacare had a bumpy start and is doing exactly what it is supposed to.  It is fixing the biggest problems with previous system and is making health care insurance more affordable.
 
2014-03-31 11:43:33 AM  

Chris Ween: Some people find it cheaper through the exchange even with the subsidies. Hard to believe I know.


PARTY UF PERSINUL REPONSIBALITEE!!
 
2014-03-31 11:43:37 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


Thats how insursnce companies work. Theyve always had open enrollment periods even when getting healthcare through a job.

Have you never dealt with this before?
 
2014-03-31 11:43:39 AM  

Chris Ween: Somacandra: Chris Ween: f I recall, Obama ran on the idea that 30 million people were not covered by health insurance.  How is an enrollment goal of 7 million by today going to solve it for the others

Agreed. While we're at it, We should get rid of all fire departments because fires still happen. The best way to solve a problem is by ignoring it.

Government option or single payer.  The ACA is needlessly complicated and solves one problem while creating 10.

But, as I said, don't hurt yourself patting your back.  Most of those enrolled may have selected the marketplace options instead of their employer options.  So, this isn't even 7 million of the 30 million uninsured.  I think we will see that the ACA made some things more affordable, many things more complicated, and fixed very little in terms of obtaining coverage for the uninsured.


actually it has been estimated that 9.5 million new ppl have insurance that didn't previously.

75% of the ppl who signed up in the state of Kentucky alone previously had no insurance.


http://touch.latimes.com/#story/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-2 01 40331/
 
2014-03-31 11:43:56 AM  

Witty_Retort: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 551x844]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x852]
Quick poll: Obamacare was signed into law four years ago yesterday. Are you better off now than you were then?


A bunch of Liberals following a Republican senator on facebook. Seems like a legit commentary from 100% of the country, not a bunch of moonbats who have nothing better to do.
 
2014-03-31 11:44:20 AM  
If you even have to visit healthcare.gov instead of a state exchange website, you have nobody to blame but your obstructionist state legislature.  They are the ones f*cking you over.
 
2014-03-31 11:44:30 AM  

Superjew: Did the Home For Right-wing Retards let the crew out early today?  This thread literally stinks of conservative desperation.


The desperation you smell is every Democrat senator trying to distance themselves from Obamacare
 
2014-03-31 11:44:59 AM  

adamatari: Why is there even an "enrollment period"? Isn't it part of the point of this that people can get healthcare without having to worry about "sorry you can only sign up once a year, so you have to wait 9 months now, newby"? Or is this for tax purposes - "you missed the period, so now you have to pay the tax for the year, though you signed up a day later"?

What about people who lose their jobs randomly and such? If I lose my job in May, will I be able to sign up for Obamacare or do I have to wait until January of next year?

This is the sort of shiat we were trying to get away from....


You can still sign up, but I think you might get a prorated penalty if you wait.
 
2014-03-31 11:45:02 AM  

mrshowrules: Tom_Slick: mrshowrules: So screw over the people for which the penalty was the deciding factor in getting insurance?

In an election year, absolutely.

but every 2nd year in an election year...


Here is what is going to happen, the Administration is going to "Look into issues that may have prevented people from signing up" this will begin sometime in May, around September, they will look at polling numbers to see if it is effecting the House and Senate races.  If it has a negative effect they will roll the fine back for a year.
 
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