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(Telegraph)   Huge increase in women having children over 50 raises fears of mother's heath among doctors, who say two patients in diapers will double their workloads   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 51
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2014-03-31 09:12:19 AM
Yes, I would think carrying a baby for 50 years would be bad for a woman's health
 
2014-03-31 09:36:12 AM
Pro:  The baby just flies right out of there.

Con:  Mom can only produce powdered milk.
 
2014-03-31 09:52:52 AM
mother's heath

www.jottercms.com?
 
2014-03-31 10:02:24 AM
What if women stop after having 49 babies? Is that safer?
 
2014-03-31 10:02:32 AM
I do think it's funny that among the list of horrors in TFA were not having much time to enjoy being a grandparent and an increase risk of birth defects yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men and in addition, the children of older fathers have an increased risk of cancer and schizophrenia.

Neither were men mentioned when the cause of delaying parenting was attributed to spending the early years concentrating on career during the younger years.

They pointed out that older mothers are at higher risk of miscarriage and ectopic pregnancies but did not see fit to inform the reader that older fathers are also associated with an increased risk of miscarriage as well as stillbirth and pre-eclampsia.

I wonder if those 75% who believe women should not try IVF to conceive after their "natural" childbearing years have any opinion about older men who need the medical interventions as their fertility decrease? Apparently, the polling company didn't ask. or the author didn't think that relevant.

Diogenes: Pro:  The baby just flies right out of there.

Con:  Mom can only produce powdered milk.


I am a disappointed to see such misogyny from you.
 
2014-03-31 10:07:34 AM

raises fears of mother's heath among doctors


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2014-03-31 10:11:09 AM

ginandbacon: Diogenes: Pro:  The baby just flies right out of there.

Con:  Mom can only produce powdered milk.


I am a disappointed to see such misogyny from you.


I'm in a mood.
 
2014-03-31 10:13:58 AM

Diogenes: ginandbacon: Diogenes: Pro:  The baby just flies right out of there.

Con:  Mom can only produce powdered milk.


I am a disappointed to see such misogyny from you.

I'm in a mood.


To mock women? That seems...stupid.
 
2014-03-31 10:16:43 AM

ginandbacon: I do think it's funny that among the list of horrors in TFA were not having much time to enjoy being a grandparent and an increase risk of birth defects yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men and in addition, the children of older fathers have an increased risk of cancer and schizophrenia.

Neither were men mentioned when the cause of delaying parenting was attributed to spending the early years concentrating on career during the younger years.

They pointed out that older mothers are at higher risk of miscarriage and ectopic pregnancies but did not see fit to inform the reader that older fathers are also associated with an increased risk of miscarriage as well as stillbirth and pre-eclampsia.

I wonder if those 75% who believe women should not try IVF to conceive after their "natural" childbearing years have any opinion about older men who need the medical interventions as their fertility decrease? Apparently, the polling company didn't ask. or the author didn't think that relevant.


www.inbedwithjoan.com.au

This wasn't a documentary.

Plus it's a correlation, not a causation.  You don't know if the father being older caused the stillbirth, or if the stillbirth just really really aged the father.
 
2014-03-31 10:26:52 AM

ginandbacon: yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men


For some reason you got really derped up about this one and read the article with your rage glasses on.  Take them off for just a moment, and re-read the article.  The article is about the health of the mother.  Who gives a shiat if it applies to men, the article is about the health of the mother.

Article:  Women over 50 have more health complications in pregnancy and may require a higher level of care.
You:  OH YEAH WELL MALE SPERM MUTATE AS MEN AGE WTF ASSHOLES Y U NO SAY THAT?!??!?!
 
2014-03-31 10:30:38 AM

ginandbacon: I do think it's funny that among the list of horrors in TFA were not having much time to enjoy being a grandparent and an increase risk of birth defects yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men and in addition, the children of older fathers have an increased risk of cancer and schizophrenia.


Probably more because the elevation of risk factors with age is pretty minor for the male parent, and much more severe for the female parent.  Things don't start getting really dodgy until the father is in his 70s, where it's already getting bad when the woman's in her 40s.  Big magnitude difference there.

I mean, you have something of a point with the male partner contributing to the decision to have a kid later, but on the medical thing you don't, really.
 
2014-03-31 10:33:28 AM

lennavan: ginandbacon: yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men

For some reason you got really derped up about this one and read the article with your rage glasses on.  Take them off for just a moment, and re-read the article.  The article is about the health of the mother.  Who gives a shiat if it applies to men, the article is about the health of the mother.

Article:  Women over 50 have more health complications in pregnancy and may require a higher level of care.
You:  OH YEAH WELL MALE SPERM MUTATE AS MEN AGE WTF ASSHOLES Y U NO SAY THAT?!??!?!


"The NHS is also being put under increased pressure as older mothers and their babies require a higher level of medical care, according to midwives"

"...a survey found almost three-quarters of people do not think women should receive IVF to help them conceive beyond their natural childbearing years."

"Having a child at such an old age also has implications on the time these mothers will have to enjoying being a grandparent."

"Their babies also face a greater risk of ill-health or abnormalities such as Down's Syndrome."

Perhaps we read different articles?
 
2014-03-31 10:34:38 AM
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I wouldn't worry about Heath--he's got plenty of Tom Barkley's guts in him.
 
2014-03-31 10:38:20 AM

ginandbacon: lennavan: ginandbacon: yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men

For some reason you got really derped up about this one and read the article with your rage glasses on.  Take them off for just a moment, and re-read the article.  The article is about the health of the mother.  Who gives a shiat if it applies to men, the article is about the health of the mother.

Article:  Women over 50 have more health complications in pregnancy and may require a higher level of care.
You:  OH YEAH WELL MALE SPERM MUTATE AS MEN AGE WTF ASSHOLES Y U NO SAY THAT?!??!?!

"The NHS is also being put under increased pressure as older mothers and their babies require a higher level of medical care, according to midwives"

"...a survey found almost three-quarters of people do not think women should receive IVF to help them conceive beyond their natural childbearing years."

"Having a child at such an old age also has implications on the time these mothers will have to enjoying being a grandparent."

"Their babies also face a greater risk of ill-health or abnormalities such as Down's Syndrome."

Perhaps we read different articles?


The article is about mothers.  Don't be shocked when the article discusses things related to mothers.  Also, don't be shocked when the article doesn't discuss things related to fathers.  That will be in a different article.  When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

This isn't the great misogynistic outrage you seem to think it is.
 
2014-03-31 10:39:09 AM

ginandbacon: Diogenes: Pro:  The baby just flies right out of there.

Con:  Mom can only produce powdered milk.


I am a disappointed to see such misogyny from you.


"Misogyny"? If anything, it's a geriatric joke. Jesus, some people are sensitive.
 
2014-03-31 10:42:02 AM

Jim_Callahan: ginandbacon: I do think it's funny that among the list of horrors in TFA were not having much time to enjoy being a grandparent and an increase risk of birth defects yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men and in addition, the children of older fathers have an increased risk of cancer and schizophrenia.

Probably more because the elevation of risk factors with age is pretty minor for the male parent, and much more severe for the female parent.  Things don't start getting really dodgy until the father is in his 70s, where it's already getting bad when the woman's in her 40s.  Big magnitude difference there.

I mean, you have something of a point with the male partner contributing to the decision to have a kid later, but on the medical thing you don't, really.


Ah, so we shouldn't bring it up at all. We should only discuss the health impacts mothers who conceive after 35. It must be especially trivial for children to have a grandfather and it's obviously okay for older men who have low sperm counts with slow swimmers to get medical interventions in order to conceive but women shouldn't resort to IVF.

Thank you. I understand now.
 
2014-03-31 10:45:47 AM

lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.


I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?
 
2014-03-31 10:52:06 AM

ginandbacon: Ah, so we shouldn't bring it up at all. We should only discuss the health impacts mothers who conceive after 35. It must be especially trivial for children to have a grandfather and it's obviously okay for older men who have low sperm counts with slow swimmers to get medical interventions in order to conceive but women shouldn't resort to IVF.


Definitely not something worth bringing up in an article that's explicitly about womens' health, no.

Either way, IVF specifically and fertility treatment in general are more toys for rich people that we tolerate because it allows the expansion of basic science related to reproduction than a real medical thing. If there was an actual societal concern about population replacement we'd be focused on the adoption system rather than biotech.

The biotech's mostly a road toward growing babies ex vitrio and refining genetic screening and eventually modification.  If the primary people willing to put loads of money in for the privilege of being lab rats are aging rich people, whatever.
 
2014-03-31 10:52:48 AM

ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?


I had to go all the way back to 26 Feb. 2014.

Google is hard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/health/mental-illness-risk-higher- fo r-children-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0
 
2014-03-31 10:57:13 AM
Besides "heath", should it be mothers' ?

I'm 48 and I can't imagine having another baby.  I think it's evolution..meaning that somehow parents' brains forget most of the work involved in having and raising kids (especially the diapers/late nights/daycare...etc) so they decide it's ok to have more..therefore, propagation of the species.
 
2014-03-31 10:59:16 AM

verbaltoxin: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

I had to go all the way back to 26 Feb. 2014.

Google is hard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/health/mental-illness-risk-higher- fo r-children-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0


"Unlike women, who age with a limited number of eggs, men have to replenish their supply of sperm cells."

"But for the children of healthy parents"

I thought you said there would be no mention of mothers?
 
2014-03-31 11:03:21 AM

ginandbacon: verbaltoxin: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

I had to go all the way back to 26 Feb. 2014.

Google is hard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/health/mental-illness-risk-higher- fo r-children-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0

"Unlike women, who age with a limited number of eggs, men have to replenish their supply of sperm cells."

"But for the children of healthy parents"

I thought you said there would be no mention of mothers?


This does not Fempute.
 
2014-03-31 11:05:28 AM

ginandbacon: verbaltoxin: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

I had to go all the way back to 26 Feb. 2014.

Google is hard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/health/mental-illness-risk-higher- fo r-children-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0

"Unlike women, who age with a limited number of eggs, men have to replenish their supply of sperm cells."

"But for the children of healthy parents"

I thought you said there would be no mention of mothers?


I see you're just bound and determined to wham the "misandry" button no matter what.

Good luck with that.

*plonk*
 
2014-03-31 11:07:00 AM

Jim_Callahan: Definitely not something worth bringing up in an article that's explicitly about womens' health, no.


If that's the case than why bring up being a grandmother or birth defects or infertility?

dkimball: Besides "heath", should it be mothers' ?

I'm 48 and I can't imagine having another baby.  I think it's evolution..meaning that somehow parents' brains forget most of the work involved in having and raising kids (especially the diapers/late nights/daycare...etc) so they decide it's ok to have more..therefore, propagation of the species.


I'm 48 and the fact that I never wanted children aside, I definitely don't want to go through that at my age.

But the article refers to all mothers over 35 and I don't think 36 is too old to have children even if you have to get some help to conceive.
 
2014-03-31 11:08:41 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.


I'm still waiting for this part.
 
2014-03-31 11:10:53 AM
Why assume that they will have trouble?

It depends.
 
2014-03-31 11:11:29 AM

Jim_Callahan: ginandbacon: I do think it's funny that among the list of horrors in TFA were not having much time to enjoy being a grandparent and an increase risk of birth defects yet not once did they bother to mention that both of these apply to men and in addition, the children of older fathers have an increased risk of cancer and schizophrenia.

Probably more because the elevation of risk factors with age is pretty minor for the male parent, and much more severe for the female parent.  Things don't start getting really dodgy until the father is in his 70s, where it's already getting bad when the woman's in her 40s.  Big magnitude difference there.



Point of order: any man over 35 is going to have sub-par sperm.  Both sexes should close up shop by their early 40s.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-men-have-b io logical-clocks/
 
2014-03-31 11:17:07 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Both sexes should close up shop by their early 40s.


I basically agree with this but I don't want to see policy decisions that involve making that decision for people. That's a bit Orwellian for my taste.
 
2014-03-31 11:19:58 AM

verbaltoxin: ginandbacon: verbaltoxin: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

I had to go all the way back to 26 Feb. 2014.

Google is hard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/health/mental-illness-risk-higher- fo r-children-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0

"Unlike women, who age with a limited number of eggs, men have to replenish their supply of sperm cells."

"But for the children of healthy parents"

I thought you said there would be no mention of mothers?

I see you're just bound and determined to wham the "misandry" button no matter what.

Good luck with that.

*plonk*


An article all about them and they still complain!  Wominz.
 
2014-03-31 11:43:59 AM

ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?


If I happen to see one and remember you're interested, I'll happily link them for you.  Try not to seek out outrage in the future, it's pathetic.
 
2014-03-31 11:56:44 AM

lennavan: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

If I happen to see one and remember you're interested, I'll happily link them for you.  Try not to seek out outrage in the future, it's pathetic.


Try not to tell people when they have the right to be offended by the way women are covered in the media. It's disrespectful.
 
2014-03-31 12:06:18 PM

ginandbacon: lennavan: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

If I happen to see one and remember you're interested, I'll happily link them for you.  Try not to seek out outrage in the future, it's pathetic.

Try not to tell people when they have the right to be offended by the way women are covered in the media. It's disrespectful.


You are trying reeeeeaaally hard to be poutraged.

An article about women's health doesn't talk enough about aging male reproductive issues... what an odd thing to be offended by.

You must be a blast at parties!
 
2014-03-31 12:10:10 PM

ginandbacon: lennavan: ginandbacon: lennavan: That will be in a different article. When that article happens, don't be shocked when that article doesn't discuss mothers.

I'm sorry, I must have missed those articles. Would you kindly point me to them?

If I happen to see one and remember you're interested, I'll happily link them for you.  Try not to seek out outrage in the future, it's pathetic.

Try not to tell people when they have the right to be offended by the way women are covered in the media. It's disrespectful.


Oh wow, you're pathetic.
 
2014-03-31 12:11:26 PM
Man, I waited until I was 38 to have a baby. I'm almost 42 now and have a hard time keeping up with him. I couldn't imagine having a baby after 50. That's just nuts. That's when you're supposed to be a grandparent, so you can give them back to the parents when you're tired. It also sucks because you won't get to see much of your child's adult life because you've died from old age.
 
2014-03-31 12:19:37 PM
You are old and you don't have the energy. Join big brothers/sisters or teach a class or activity instead.
 
2014-03-31 12:24:28 PM

dkimball: Besides "heath", should it be mothers' ?

I'm 48 and I can't imagine having another baby.  I think it's evolution..meaning that somehow parents' brains forget most of the work involved in having and raising kids (especially the diapers/late nights/daycare...etc) so they decide it's ok to have more..therefore, propagation of the species.


I can't imagine forgetting that ... my kid's almost five months old and pretty good (decent sleeper, not a picky eater, really doesn't shriek that often) and I can say without a doubt that he will be an only child. Maybe I'm lacking a slice of the maternal instinct pie.

Meanwhile, my sister-in-law has baby fever and is pregnant with baby #3. The other kids will be 4 and 3 by the time the third one arrives.
 
2014-03-31 12:30:15 PM

aevorea: dkimball: Besides "heath", should it be mothers' ?

I'm 48 and I can't imagine having another baby.  I think it's evolution..meaning that somehow parents' brains forget most of the work involved in having and raising kids (especially the diapers/late nights/daycare...etc) so they decide it's ok to have more..therefore, propagation of the species.

I can't imagine forgetting that ... my kid's almost five months old and pretty good (decent sleeper, not a picky eater, really doesn't shriek that often) and I can say without a doubt that he will be an only child. Maybe I'm lacking a slice of the maternal instinct pie.

Meanwhile, my sister-in-law has baby fever and is pregnant with baby #3. The other kids will be 4 and 3 by the time the third one arrives.


Lol just dealing with my wife (2 months pregnant) during this thing (morning sickness and constant pain from cysts) makes me think that we'll be one and done.
 
2014-03-31 12:30:50 PM

LarryDan43: You are old and you don't have the energy. Join big brothers/sisters or teach a class or activity instead.


Or foster. There's a huge need for that.
 
2014-03-31 12:31:19 PM
Since when does The Telegraph care about women's health?
 
2014-03-31 12:51:10 PM
If you haven't popped out your kids by 36, just stop trying.

Either by poor choices, or bad genetics, you missed your window--deal with it.

/All the kids will be out of high school when I'm 46.
//ginandbacon is a loon--or a really bad troll
 
2014-03-31 01:13:47 PM
Still don't want kids, and I can tell you right now that at a couple of weeks shy of 48 there's no way I could have a normal, healthy pregnancy.

/still waiting for this nuisance called a menstrual cycle to end
//may write a sequel to the Judy Blume book called "Are You There, God?  It's Me, Margaret.  When is this s&^t gonna end?"
 
2014-03-31 01:30:02 PM
I never knew mothers could have 50 year old children.  I guess I should consider myself lucky to get out of there while still a baby.
 
2014-03-31 01:35:06 PM
Whether you're male or female you've got to be crackers to have kids after 40, let alone when you're pushing 50.
 
2014-03-31 01:38:09 PM
Just to toss this out there, the wife and I have had kids later, she in her mid thirties me 40 plus.  It is tiring but both are good, normal and healthy.  At times I can see the advantages of having them younger.

Co-worker had two past 40, second one was at 43 or 44 without help.  Those two are a year and half apart.  She was not trying and was very shell shocked originally.  Her husband I think was in his mid-late 30's.  What made it more interesting was her oldest, who is 12 years older then the young ones need help in being conceived, with her first husband.
 
2014-03-31 01:48:40 PM

fickenchucker: If you haven't popped out your kids by 36, just stop trying.

Either by poor choices, or bad genetics, you missed your window--deal with it.

/All the kids will be out of high school when I'm 46.
//ginandbacon is a loon--or a really bad troll


For real.  If you want kids at that age - or even otherwise - why not ADOPT some unwanted child?  I'd do it myself if I ever find myself with job that pays real money.  This world really does not need more people in it.  You don't need to make another child when there are already so many children out there whose needs are not being met.  Do something good and take care of one of them.  They will make you just as happy as "your own" child.  Plus if you really think about it - the genetic difference between "your child" and someone else's child is so small it should really be considered insignificant.

Hell adopt and you can even skip the diaper phase entirely!  That's EXACTLY what I will do when I am able.  In a related matter, I also intend to get a vasectomy.  I wonder why I haven't gotten one years ago.

KJUW89: /still waiting for this nuisance called a menstrual cycle to end


Just stay on birth control.  Skip the placebo pills.  Women who stay on it constantly have no menstrual cycles and with no apparent health side effects.  Off the top of my head I'm not sure every type can do this, but some types I am sure can.  Ask your doctor.
 
2014-03-31 03:15:44 PM

bk3k: Just stay on birth control. Skip the placebo pills. Women who stay on it constantly have no menstrual cycles and with no apparent health side effects. Off the top of my head I'm not sure every type can do this, but some types I am sure can. Ask your doctor.


My birth control is that my husband had a vasectomy.  Will probably talk to my doctor at some point, although my doctor is no longer practicing in my local clinic, coincidentally enough, because she just had a baby.
 
2014-03-31 03:24:44 PM

fickenchucker: If you haven't popped out your kids by 36, just stop trying.

Either by poor choices, or bad genetics, you missed your window--deal with it.

/All the kids will be out of high school when I'm 46.
//ginandbacon is a loon--or a really bad troll


Sweet, I'll mention that to my 5 year old, and his 45 year old mother tonight.

Judgy.
 
2014-03-31 03:44:17 PM

Hebalo: fickenchucker: If you haven't popped out your kids by 36, just stop trying.

Either by poor choices, or bad genetics, you missed your window--deal with it.

/All the kids will be out of high school when I'm 46.
//ginandbacon is a loon--or a really bad troll

Sweet, I'll mention that to my 5 year old, and his 45 year old mother tonight.

Judgy.


My 4 year old and her 43 year old mother like you.

// I'll will be 44 this year
 
2014-03-31 03:49:20 PM

Hebalo: fickenchucker: If you haven't popped out your kids by 36, just stop trying.

Either by poor choices, or bad genetics, you missed your window--deal with it.

/All the kids will be out of high school when I'm 46.
//ginandbacon is a loon--or a really bad troll

Sweet, I'll mention that to my 5 year old, and his 45 year old mother tonight.

Judgy.



Well...not you guys.  Just the ones who make a big public show about struggling to have kids later in life.  I'm assuming you didn't bore everyone around you while it was going on, unlike half the people I work with.

/Seriously--your co-workers don't care if you're older and have problems conceiving.  Month-old bouquets had their heydays, too.
 
2014-03-31 05:36:24 PM
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