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2014-03-31 09:00:12 AM
thanks, whalebama
 
2014-03-31 09:05:45 AM
So how will we ever find out why whales die when they're harpooned and dragged into a processing ship to be cut into small pieces?  The scientific world demands answers.
 
2014-03-31 09:25:27 AM
Whale is pretty good, but it's not that popular here.  It'd probably die out on it's own if there weren't so many people constantly trying to turn it into a nationalist dick-waving contest.  Sea Shepherd's antics will probably keep demand up for another 50 years, though.
 
2014-03-31 09:30:08 AM
So what's to stop Japan from just saying they're now whaling for commercial porpoises? Norway and Iceland seem to do that without any consequence.
 
2014-03-31 09:38:43 AM

ThunderPelvis: Whale is pretty good, but it's not that popular here.  It'd probably die out on it's own if there weren't so many people constantly trying to turn it into a nationalist dick-waving contest.  Sea Shepherd's antics will probably keep demand up for another 50 years, though.


Have heard this said as well.  It's main done as a "fark you" measure and they pretty much have to give away the whale / massively subsidize it.
 
2014-03-31 09:41:53 AM
Moderately rare potential whale trifecta in play.
 
2014-03-31 09:42:11 AM

scottydoesntknow: So what's to stop Japan from just saying they're now whaling for commercial porpoises? Norway and Iceland seem to do that without any consequence.


Pulling this firmly out of my ass, I guess that Iceland and Norway whale for different whales and keep their numbers down at sustainable levels according to demand, while Japan basically loathes the whale products and only does it because they hate everyone else more.

I believe they have also been told to stop doing it repeatedly and have found stupid loopholes each time (like scientific study).
 
2014-03-31 09:46:51 AM
southparkfarkyouwhales.jpg
 
2014-03-31 09:48:19 AM
Researching the perfect whale sandwich
 
2014-03-31 09:49:07 AM

scottydoesntknow: So what's to stop Japan from just saying they're now whaling for commercial porpoises? Norway and Iceland seem to do that without any consequence.


I sea what you did there
 
2014-03-31 09:50:12 AM
This won't stop these shiat birds.
 
2014-03-31 09:52:19 AM
Nuke the whales.
 
2014-03-31 09:52:31 AM
Wow, kroomer.

The Sea Shepherds are farking idiots and assholes.  Japan's whaling "research" is actually sustainable.  Yeah, it's not really research, but who the hell cares?

Nuke the whales!
 
2014-03-31 09:52:59 AM

kroonermanblack: scottydoesntknow: So what's to stop Japan from just saying they're now whaling for commercial porpoises? Norway and Iceland seem to do that without any consequence.

Pulling this firmly out of my ass, I guess that Iceland and Norway whale for different whales and keep their numbers down at sustainable levels according to demand, while Japan basically loathes the whale products and only does it because they hate everyone else more.

I believe they have also been told to stop doing it repeatedly and have found stupid loopholes each time (like scientific study).


It's the same type of whale. The major legal difference is that Japan agreed to stop whaling except for scientific purposes and Norway didn't.

This decision decision means Japan is not allowed to continue killing whales for as long as it is part of the agreement not to kill whales, but it's only part of that agreement as long as it wants to be.
 
2014-03-31 09:53:38 AM
Japan had argued it has complied with the moratorium despite its 2,000-year tradition of whale hunting, leaving coastal communities in "anguish" because they can no longer practise their ancestral traditions.

Somehow I don't think the 2,000 year old tradition for those coastal communities involved hunting off the coast of Antarctica.

Sad that there is no 'anguish' over the apparent total lack of whales in what I assume is their traditional hunting grounds closer to home.
 
2014-03-31 09:54:51 AM

SpdrJay: Nuke the whales.


heh, QFT
 
2014-03-31 09:58:38 AM

kroonermanblack: I guess that Iceland and Norway whale for different whales and keep their numbers down at sustainable levels according to demand, while Japan basically loathes the whale products and only does it because they hate everyone else more.


It's basically a legacy jobs program for Japan; they have to make it nationalistic because it's not like anyone gives a damn.  As for Iceland and Norway, they couldn't care less about the whales' "sustainable levels".  We don't really use whales for anything anymore.  Methinks the idea here is that humans like to harvest fish at levels where we have to throw a lot of them away, but whales eat a lot of fish (or the krill that fish eat), so it's basically a resource war.  We slaughter them for our right to waste food.

We're already at a point where pretty much every other apex predator is somewhere between extinct and endangered and the vast majority of the mammal population is either humans or livestock.  In that sense the Earth is almost completely tapped out.
 
2014-03-31 09:59:07 AM

gfid: SpdrJay: Nuke the whales.

heh, QFT


img4.wikia.nocookie.net

Let me sing you the song of my people...
 
2014-03-31 09:59:14 AM

SpdrJay: Nuke the whales.


just the gay ones
... for jesus
 
2014-03-31 10:00:40 AM
Bleeped out but still possibly NSFW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNvIM2W9Aw
 
2014-03-31 10:08:26 AM
Update: international court now holds cows sacred. You've had your last burger fatty.
 
2014-03-31 10:09:09 AM

Satanic_Hamster: ThunderPelvis: Whale is pretty good, but it's not that popular here.  It'd probably die out on it's own if there weren't so many people constantly trying to turn it into a nationalist dick-waving contest.  Sea Shepherd's antics will probably keep demand up for another 50 years, though.

Have heard this said as well.  It's main done as a "fark you" measure and they pretty much have to give away the whale / massively subsidize it.


They're killing these whales as a passive-aggressive challenge to the rest of the world?

Wow.
 
2014-03-31 10:13:02 AM
I just don't understand how they can rationally justify this.  Well we spend all this money to go and kill these whales to sell as food, but no one wants the whale meat because it tastes like crap, so we'll subsidize the price at the government's expense and then end up throwing most of it away anyhow...

Look at it from a fiscal standpoint... You're wasting all this money killing and selling these whales and no one wants them...

so just stop it already...
 
2014-03-31 10:13:23 AM

dragonchild: We're already at a point where pretty much every other apex predator is somewhere between extinct and endangered and the vast majority of the mammal population is either humans or livestock.


There weren't that many apex predators to begin with.
Humans make more efficient use of the land than than nature does.

/We're just really bad at sustainability.
 
2014-03-31 10:14:10 AM

Gentoolive: Update: international court now holds cows sacred. You've had your last burger fatty.


Except there's plenty of cows in the world and they are farmed. There's only a limited number of whales, which are pretty damn endangered
 
2014-03-31 10:15:05 AM

SpdrJay: Nuke the whales.


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2014-03-31 10:15:15 AM

Cheese eating surrender monkey: southparkfarkyouwhales.jpg


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2014-03-31 10:16:02 AM

pkrzycki: I just don't understand how they can rationally justify this.  Well we spend all this money to go and kill these whales to sell as food, but no one wants the whale meat because it tastes like crap, so we'll subsidize the price at the government's expense and then end up throwing most of it away anyhow...

Look at it from a fiscal standpoint... You're wasting all this money killing and selling these whales and no one wants them...

so just stop it already...


Is the whale meat really not wanted?  I'm not up on this shiat.  It seems to me that someone wants the whale.  Otherwise it's just Japan and that freaky Sea Shepherd dude having a dick-waving contest.
 
2014-03-31 10:19:06 AM

gfid: Otherwise it's just Japan and that freaky Sea Shepherd dude having a dick-waving contest.


Japan doesn't give a shiat about the Sea Shepherd dude. He's like the One Million Moms of whaling. I'm shocked he hasn't already claimed this ruling came about because of his organization.
 
2014-03-31 10:19:12 AM

Jackson Herring: thanks, whalebama


Aww c'mon, we know he's a slimy blow-hole.  But that's a little harsh.......maybe.
 
2014-03-31 10:21:24 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: Moderately rare potential whale trifecta in play.


I haven't been that far down in the threads today.  Were there two other stories featuring Hillary Clinton and Rosie O'Donnel?
 
2014-03-31 10:26:42 AM

gfid: Japan's whaling "research" is actually sustainable.


No, it isn't, not even remotely.

This shouldn't surprise you, since they've managed to kill every fish within 200 miles of their main chain's coastlines in the course of "sustainable" fishing.
 
2014-03-31 10:27:28 AM

SpdrJay: Nuke the whales.


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2014-03-31 10:28:13 AM
Back in the day, there was a restaurant called Haussner's in Baltimore which was known for two things... It's art collection, and a gigantic menu that could have been made for the sole purpose of making PETA member's head asplode. It was great... Whale steak? Terrapin soup? Spotted Owl in aspic?

I had whale steak there once. Wouldn't do it twice. From what I understand, the Japanese whaling industry is facing the problem that no one wants to eat that nasty, greasy crap, but they keep harpooning them out of some sort of perverse "fark you" pride thing.
 
2014-03-31 10:30:18 AM

Jim_Callahan: gfid: Japan's whaling "research" is actually sustainable.

No, it isn't, not even remotely.

This shouldn't surprise you, since they've managed to kill every fish within 200 miles of their main chain's coastlines in the course of "sustainable" fishing.


Okay, so why don't you cite some nice graph of how many whales there are and of what type so you can demonstrate how this is unsustainable..

I think the whale population has actually increased over the last couple of decades.  Maybe I'm wrong, but here's your chance to prove it.
 
2014-03-31 10:31:59 AM

Marcus Aurelius: So how will we ever find out why whales die when they're harpooned and dragged into a processing ship to be cut into small pieces?  The scientific world demands answers.


Simple, harpoon one of the whalers and see how that goes
 
2014-03-31 10:34:40 AM
But it impedes their ancestral traditions to stop them from whaling.

/My ancestral traditions (one generation, anyway) include machine gunning the Japs. You can continue yours if I can continue mine.
 
2014-03-31 10:35:51 AM
Damn tree hugging hippies! Tying up the free market with job killing regulations this is. The whales are our enemy! We need to kill more of 'em before they rise up and wage war on us surface dwellers! You know they're planning it!
 
2014-03-31 10:36:31 AM

gfid: Jim_Callahan: gfid: Japan's whaling "research" is actually sustainable.

No, it isn't, not even remotely.

This shouldn't surprise you, since they've managed to kill every fish within 200 miles of their main chain's coastlines in the course of "sustainable" fishing.

Okay, so why don't you cite some nice graph of how many whales there are and of what type so you can demonstrate how this is unsustainable..

I think the whale population has actually increased over the last couple of decades.  Maybe I'm wrong, but here's your chance to prove it.


"I assert that Japan's whaling research is sustainable.  Prove otherwise."

ARGUMENTS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2014-03-31 10:37:33 AM

scottydoesntknow: So what's to stop Japan from just saying they're now whaling for commercial porpoises? Norway and Iceland seem to do that without any consequence.


The Pelly Amendment. It actually requires the United States to impose sanctions against whaling nations, barring the President offering a waiver. We're even considering sanctions against NATO nations for continuing to whale. We won't impose those sanctions against Iceland, but it is one more tool we can use to make them continue to support NATO or reform their banking laws, etc., etc. Leaving the IWC carries a legal cost. Nevermind the international opprobrium which could remove the international support for Japan's possession of the Senkaku Islands and containment of China.

Is all of that worth a money-losing industry that costs money even before factoring in the bribes needed to maintain support in the IWC? Doubtful. They'll rejigger their scientific whaling program to actually do some science and comply with the ICJ ruling.
 
2014-03-31 10:37:43 AM

maxheck: Back in the day, there was a restaurant called Haussner's in Baltimore which was known for two things... It's art collection, and a gigantic menu that could have been made for the sole purpose of making PETA member's head asplode. It was great... Whale steak? Terrapin soup? Spotted Owl in aspic?


Was "the day" the 1950s?
 
2014-03-31 10:39:39 AM

gfid: Is the whale meat really not wanted? I'm not up on this shiat. It seems to me that someone wants the whale. Otherwise it's just Japan and that freaky Sea Shepherd dude having a dick-waving contest.


The whale meat sits in storage until it spoils and is thrown out. Only a very small percentage is eaten by humans. Some makes its way into dog food since the subsidized cost is next to nothing. It's all about pride and tradition. Which I'm fine with... as soon as they give up Playstations, modern medicine, and Pokemon. If they want to play Imperial Japan make-believe, they need to go all the way. Oh, and use wooden ships without engines.
 
2014-03-31 10:50:24 AM

EngineerAU: gfid: Is the whale meat really not wanted? I'm not up on this shiat. It seems to me that someone wants the whale. Otherwise it's just Japan and that freaky Sea Shepherd dude having a dick-waving contest.

The whale meat sits in storage until it spoils and is thrown out. Only a very small percentage is eaten by humans. Some makes its way into dog food since the subsidized cost is next to nothing. It's all about pride and tradition. Which I'm fine with... as soon as they give up Playstations, modern medicine, and Pokemon. If they want to play Imperial Japan make-believe, they need to go all the way. Oh, and use wooden ships without engines.


Meh - citation needed.  Japanese people can be stubborn and hard-headed but I don't see them financing these whaling research missions unless there's some financial gain.


And yeah, sendtodave - feel free to answer.  Arguments don't work that way, my ass.  Feel free to prove the obvious wrong.
 
2014-03-31 10:51:10 AM
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maxheck: Back in the day, there was a restaurant called Haussner's in Baltimore which was known for two things... It's art collection, and a gigantic menu that could have been made for the sole purpose of making PETA member's head asplode. It was great... Whale steak? Terrapin soup? Spotted Owl in aspic?

Was "the day" the 1950s?


Well, '70's. My family used to go there every year for my sister's birthday. I are old. :)

The point being, and I've heard this from several people on Fark and elsewhere who also have had whale... It sucks. There's no reason to harvest it. There have been a few times they tried to make it a dish in school lunches and that didn't work.

Why are they doing it other than dick-waggling?
 
2014-03-31 10:55:46 AM

maxheck: This text is now purple:

maxheck: Back in the day, there was a restaurant called Haussner's in Baltimore which was known for two things... It's art collection, and a gigantic menu that could have been made for the sole purpose of making PETA member's head asplode. It was great... Whale steak? Terrapin soup? Spotted Owl in aspic?

Was "the day" the 1950s?

Well, '70's. My family used to go there every year for my sister's birthday. I are old. :)

The point being, and I've heard this from several people on Fark and elsewhere who also have had whale... It sucks. There's no reason to harvest it. There have been a few times they tried to make it a dish in school lunches and that didn't work.

Why are they doing it other than dick-waggling?


Heh. I know someone that actually likes whale. And yes, she grew up with it in school lunches.
 
2014-03-31 11:01:26 AM

maxheck: Why are they doing it other than dick-waggling?


Why indeed?

I don't think anyone buys the scientific research aspect.

Do you really think it's just so they can say f-u to the world and keep on harvesting whales?

I don't.  It's gotta be expensive to send those ships out halfway across the world to bring whales back.  They do it because it's profitable.
 
2014-03-31 11:06:50 AM
The whaling moratorium comes from a treaty that is entirely voluntary anyway. Even if a court does rule Japan's logic of scientific whaling to be BS, Japan could always just withdraw from the treaty altogether. There are no legal bars to that.
 
2014-03-31 11:09:42 AM

gfid: Why indeed?

I don't think anyone buys the scientific research aspect.

Do you really think it's just so they can say f-u to the world and keep on harvesting whales?

I don't. It's gotta be expensive to send those ships out halfway across the world to bring whales back. They do it because it's profitable.


Are you saying that you discount the possibility that a government would waste tax payer's dollars just to promote nationalism and say fark you to other nations that have told them not to?
 
2014-03-31 11:12:29 AM

sendtodave: gfid: Jim_Callahan: gfid: Japan's whaling "research" is actually sustainable.

No, it isn't, not even remotely.

This shouldn't surprise you, since they've managed to kill every fish within 200 miles of their main chain's coastlines in the course of "sustainable" fishing.

Okay, so why don't you cite some nice graph of how many whales there are and of what type so you can demonstrate how this is unsustainable..

I think the whale population has actually increased over the last couple of decades.  Maybe I'm wrong, but here's your chance to prove it.

"I assert that Japan's whaling research is sustainable.  Prove otherwise."

ARGUMENTS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!


Well, the whaling program has been ongoing for some time. If the population of the whale species in question is stable, then it's sustainable -- it's being sustained.
 
Kiz
2014-03-31 11:13:19 AM

gfid: maxheck: Why are they doing it other than dick-waggling?

Why indeed?

I don't think anyone buys the scientific research aspect.

Do you really think it's just so they can say f-u to the world and keep on harvesting whales?

I don't.  It's gotta be expensive to send those ships out halfway across the world to bring whales back.  They do it because it's profitable.


I expect it's like corn ethanol in the US. It's enormously profitable for whoever gets the government subsidy to do it, but a huge waste of taxpayer money otherwise.
 
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