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2014-03-31 01:01:49 AM
lolwut

ffs different samples you moops ...

there are less people who are qualified and applied to harvard, whereas pretty much everyone is qualified to work at walmart.
 
2014-03-31 03:02:47 AM
TIL that it's easier to find someone willing to take $50k off your hands than to find someone willing to pay you $25k.
 
2014-03-31 04:57:50 AM
Yeah, but Harvard doesn't have those nice old greeter guys at the front door.
 
2014-03-31 05:01:03 AM

SpdrJay: Yeah, but Harvard doesn't have those nice old greeter guys at the front door.


"Welcome to Haavahd"
 
2014-03-31 05:04:52 AM

SpdrJay: Yeah, but Harvard doesn't have those nice old greeter guys at the front door.


They have the boorish manners of a Yalie!
 
2014-03-31 05:08:06 AM
Welcome to Harvard. I love you.
 
2014-03-31 05:08:09 AM
FTFA: This year's Ivy League admissions totals are in. The 8.9 percent acceptance rate is impressively exclusive, but compared to landing a job at Wal-Mart, getting into the Ivy Leagues is a cakewalk.

Last year when Wal-Mart came to D.C. there were over 23,000 applications for 600 jobs. That's an acceptance rate of 2.6%, twice as selective as Harvard's and over five times as choosy as Cornell.


How does this even mean anything? A university will have as many profs to teach courses as it expects to have qualified students, because it makes them money. Wal-Mart will have as money jobs as it takes to serve their market. While those two situations sound analogous, one is supply-based and one is demand-based.
 
2014-03-31 05:09:46 AM

starsrift: ... makes them many...


Despite the redesign that worked over the preview/add comment boxes was THAT long ago, I still haven't gotten over it. :(
 
2014-03-31 05:11:12 AM

SpdrJay: Yeah, but Harvard doesn't have those nice old greeter guys at the front door.


Home Depot has started doing the greeter thing. That is just plain awkward. You pay someone a low wage to pretend they are happy someone has shown up to further secure this low-wage, awkward situation. Gah.
 
2014-03-31 05:11:19 AM
So you're saying that all those people working at Walmart are actually luckier?
 
2014-03-31 05:29:45 AM
The people applying to Harvard actually want to go there.
 
2014-03-31 05:38:55 AM
I can't believe how pissed off this study makes me, I'm even tempted to email the "columnist". It's as meaningful as saying "It's easier to be a wal-mart customer than it is to become a professor at Harvard".

/ *froths at the mouth*
 
2014-03-31 05:40:32 AM
just because it's a walmart story...

My local walmart fired a lady for "stealing" a $10 gift card from another employee.

when the cops told them there was no crime because the owner of the card, who didn't even know she had a gift card(the fired employee said she only took the card because it had been laying on a shelf in the break room for a couple of weeks) didn't want to press charges, the managers said that walmart was the victim because they reimbursed the owner of the card the $10.

cops said nope. and left. They still fired the lady.

maybe she's moved on to Harvard now.
 
2014-03-31 05:41:37 AM

starsrift: It's as meaningful as saying "It's easier to be a wal-mart customer than it is to become a professor at Harvard".


That sentence actually does have meaning, and it's accurate.
 
2014-03-31 05:50:32 AM

log_jammin: starsrift: It's as meaningful as saying "It's easier to be a wal-mart customer than it is to become a professor at Harvard".

That sentence actually does have meaning, and it's accurate.


You're not accounting for the emotional trauma.
 
2014-03-31 05:51:51 AM

log_jammin: starsrift: It's as meaningful as saying "It's easier to be a wal-mart customer than it is to become a professor at Harvard".

That sentence actually does have meaning, and it's accurate.


Oh, sure, it's accurate, but it's not meaningful. "Being a customer is easier than being an employee". That doesn't mean anything, unless you're going to the philosophical Deep Thoughts machine.
 
2014-03-31 05:52:59 AM

namatad: there are less people who are qualified and applied to harvard, whereas pretty much everyone is qualified to work at walmart.


Based on a quick look at  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_candi d ates, there's probably an average of around 6 candidates per election, so it's easier to become president of the USA than get a job at Walmart, or be admitted to any of the universities they list.
 
2014-03-31 05:59:15 AM
Welcome to April 1st, people.


Ooooor the author of the article is a complete moron
 
2014-03-31 05:59:50 AM

stratagos: Welcome to April 1st, people.


Ooooor the author of the article is a complete moron


Ooor I can't calendar any more than the author can math
 
2014-03-31 06:06:18 AM
 
2014-03-31 06:21:57 AM
Well yeah, thanks to the Internet every unemployed person within a 100 mile radius applies for basically EVERY SINGLE job. The same people also applied at Staples, Office Max, K Mart, Sears, etc, etc.
 
2014-03-31 06:28:18 AM

log_jammin: when the cops told them there was no crime because the owner of the card, who didn't even know she had a gift card(the fired employee said she only took the card because it had been laying on a shelf in the break room for a couple of weeks) didn't want to press charges, the managers said that walmart was the victim because they reimbursed the owner of the card the $10.

cops said nope. and left. They still fired the lady.


While it's petty and stupid, the lady took something which she knew not to be hers. As long as you follow the rule of "not taking what is not yours", you should be in the clear.
 
2014-03-31 06:28:53 AM

mike_d85: Well yeah, thanks to the Internet every unemployed person within a 100 mile radius applies for basically EVERY SINGLE job. The same people also applied at Staples, Office Max, K Mart, Sears, etc, etc.


Hobby Lobby?
 
2014-03-31 06:29:14 AM

van1ty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias


That bias link reminds me that I tried to read thru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases and it made my head want to implode.  I dare anyone who isn't already a psychologist to get thru it.
 
2014-03-31 06:31:26 AM
www.wearysloth.com

"He was wearing my Harvard tie! Can you believe it?  Like oh, sure, he went to Harvard!"
 
2014-03-31 06:37:03 AM
Well, you can probably fo further in life with Wal*Mart experience.

If you go to Harvard, you probably started at the top and will probably do worse than your parents did to get you there.  If you work at Wal*Mart, the sky is the limit!  Nowhere to go but up.
 
2014-03-31 06:54:11 AM

namatad: there are less people who are qualified and applied to harvard, whereas pretty much everyone is qualified to work at walmart.


that's because harvard gives out all those low income scholarships to the kids of the parents who work at walmart, where if you are middle income and apply to walmart, you have to fight your way past all those parents to get in
 
2014-03-31 06:55:54 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: SpdrJay: Yeah, but Harvard doesn't have those nice old greeter guys at the front door.

"Welcome to Haavahd"


"Don't drive like my brother!"
 
2014-03-31 06:55:54 AM
People of Harvard is a little more pleasant to visit.
 
2014-03-31 06:57:06 AM

Tricky Chicken: Well, you can probably fo further in life with Wal*Mart experience.

If you go to Harvard, you probably started at the top and will probably do worse than your parents did to get you there.  If you work at Wal*Mart, the sky is the limit!  Nowhere to go but up.


Up to what, shift manager? With Harvard you start high and stay high, unless the Duke boys want to make a bet.
 
2014-03-31 07:03:23 AM
 
2014-03-31 07:14:17 AM

verbaltoxin: Up to what, shift manager? With Harvard you start high and stay high, unless the Duke boys want to make a bet.


Like what, whether the General Lee can make another absurdly improbable jump or not?
 
2014-03-31 07:14:35 AM
This article is pretty goddamn stupid.

Remember kids, whenever you hear someone say they got into Harvard, you tell them that you work at Wal*Mart.  Watch their jaw drop with envy.  Because hey, being accepted into Wal*Mart is nothing to shake a stick at.
 
2014-03-31 07:15:45 AM

proteus_b: While it's petty and stupid, the lady took something which she knew not to be hers. As long as you follow the rule of "not taking what is not yours", you should be in the clear.


ok
 
2014-03-31 07:16:17 AM

namatad: lolwut

ffs different samples you moops ...

there are less people who are qualified and applied to harvard, whereas pretty much everyone is qualified to work at walmart.


thanks for clearing that up.  do you think anyone read that article or even the headline and didn't realize that immediately?
 
2014-03-31 07:16:35 AM
Nice! I've been teaching my son that you can list a number of true facts in order to create a misleading story. I was using the Dihydrogen Monoxide site, but this works too.
 
2014-03-31 07:17:54 AM

starsrift: FTFA: This year's Ivy League admissions totals are in. The 8.9 percent acceptance rate is impressively exclusive, but compared to landing a job at Wal-Mart, getting into the Ivy Leagues is a cakewalk.

Last year when Wal-Mart came to D.C. there were over 23,000 applications for 600 jobs. That's an acceptance rate of 2.6%, twice as selective as Harvard's and over five times as choosy as Cornell.

How does this even mean anything? A university will have as many profs to teach courses as it expects to have qualified students, because it makes them money. Wal-Mart will have as money jobs as it takes to serve their market. While those two situations sound analogous, one is supply-based and one is demand-based.


have you considered perhaps that this article is a but tongue in cheek?
 
2014-03-31 07:18:45 AM

verbaltoxin: Tricky Chicken: Well, you can probably fo further in life with Wal*Mart experience.

If you go to Harvard, you probably started at the top and will probably do worse than your parents did to get you there.  If you work at Wal*Mart, the sky is the limit!  Nowhere to go but up.

Up to what, shift manager? With Harvard you start high and stay high, unless the Duke boys want to make a bet.


Ah, but the rich guy will either stay rich or screw it up.  If you start out at walmart, you can either stay at the bottom, or you may find a way to go to college or learn a trade.  You could over time either progress in life out of walmart, or get promoted within the walmart corporation.

I am not even remotely saying that starting out at walmart or Harvard are comparable.  I am just saying that if you start at the top, the only way you can go is sideways or down.  If you start at the bottom, the only place you can go is sideways or up.

If you are at the top, having Harvard or another top school in your background is commonplace.  If you are at the bottom, walmart experience shows you are at least willing to work and worth taking a chance on.
 
2014-03-31 07:22:34 AM

Tricky Chicken: Ah, but the rich guy will either stay rich or screw it up.  If you start out at walmart, you can either stay at the bottom, or you may find a way to go to college or learn a trade.  You could over time either progress in life out of walmart, or get promoted within the walmart corporation.

I am not even remotely saying that starting out at walmart or Harvard are comparable.  I am just saying that if you start at the top, the only way you can go is sideways or down.  If you start at the bottom, the only place you can go is sideways or up.

If you are at the top, having Harvard or another top school in your background is commonplace.  If you are at the bottom, walmart experience shows you are at least willing to work and worth taking a chance on.


are you a Vulcan?
 
2014-03-31 07:32:31 AM
So subby believes that if all those Wal-mart applicants were to apply at Harvard, 8.9% of them would get in?
 
2014-03-31 07:37:46 AM
And some legislators  are cutting food stamps and unemployment under the false assumptions that everyone can get a job.    This alone should be used to shame those legislators.
 
2014-03-31 07:41:36 AM

mike_d85: Well yeah, thanks to the Internet every unemployed person within a 100 mile radius applies for basically EVERY SINGLE job. The same people also applied at Staples, Office Max, K Mart, Sears, etc, etc.


Wtf am I reading?
 
2014-03-31 07:44:20 AM
I am enjoying watching people fall all over themselves yelling about how it's actually harder to get into Harvard here.

lol, brilliant work Sherlock
 
2014-03-31 07:45:52 AM

Tricky Chicken: verbaltoxin: Tricky Chicken: Well, you can probably fo further in life with Wal*Mart experience.

If you go to Harvard, you probably started at the top and will probably do worse than your parents did to get you there.  If you work at Wal*Mart, the sky is the limit!  Nowhere to go but up.

Up to what, shift manager? With Harvard you start high and stay high, unless the Duke boys want to make a bet.

Ah, but the rich guy will either stay rich or screw it up.  If you start out at walmart, you can either stay at the bottom, or you may find a way to go to college or learn a trade.  You could over time either progress in life out of walmart, or get promoted within the walmart corporation.

I am not even remotely saying that starting out at walmart or Harvard are comparable.  I am just saying that if you start at the top, the only way you can go is sideways or down.  If you start at the bottom, the only place you can go is sideways or up.

If you are at the top, having Harvard or another top school in your background is commonplace.  If you are at the bottom, walmart experience shows you are at least willing to work and worth taking a chance on.


Find a way to goto college or learn a trade, and make an exciting $30k/yr! If you learn a trade, be prepared to use up your body in 20 years at 15 different jobs, so no pension. College, be saddled with loans for the next 10 years.

Sounds like a brilliant plan!
 
2014-03-31 07:53:49 AM

Belias: So subby believes that if all those Wal-mart applicants were to apply at Harvard, 8.9% of them would get in?


No, subby believes that if a random nitwit fills out an application to work at Walmart, then he has the same chance of getting hired as a random non-nitwit who fills out an application to Harvard has of getting accepted. The point is really twofold: the poor are so poor they covet jobs at Walmart, and competition amongst the poor to be a little less poor is very fierce. No one is saying the set of nitwits is as "good" as the set of non-nitwits. If we want to draw moral conclusions, we could say the two sets are similar in the ways I described, that they want things and they'll compete for them. So in some sense the poor can be considered people. I think that bold a conclusion is probably stretching the study. But at least it's not completely misunderstanding it, like you've done.
 
2014-03-31 07:55:52 AM

Goimir: Tricky Chicken: verbaltoxin: Tricky Chicken:
Find a way to goto college or learn a trade, and make an exciting $30k/yr! If you learn a trade, be prepared to use up your body in 20 years at 15 different jobs, so no pension. College, be saddled with loans for the next 10 years.

Sounds like a brilliant plan!


So, what is the guy on the bottom's alternatives? Give up and not try? (annecdotal) Most of the skilled tradesmen I know have fairly steady jobs and will most likely work for the same company for an entire career.
 
2014-03-31 07:56:26 AM

namatad: lolwut

ffs different samples you moops ...

there are less people who are qualified and applied to harvard, whereas pretty much everyone is qualified to work at walmart.


Fewer. Keep trying. Walmart will take you one day.
 
2014-03-31 08:02:57 AM

Tricky Chicken: Goimir: Tricky Chicken: verbaltoxin: Tricky Chicken:
Find a way to goto college or learn a trade, and make an exciting $30k/yr! If you learn a trade, be prepared to use up your body in 20 years at 15 different jobs, so no pension. College, be saddled with loans for the next 10 years.

Sounds like a brilliant plan!

So, what is the guy on the bottom's alternatives? Give up and not try? (annecdotal) Most of the skilled tradesmen I know have fairly steady jobs and will most likely work for the same company for an entire career.


Cool! Any of them hiring? Can I at least get a company name or two?
 
2014-03-31 08:07:42 AM

nocturnal001: I am enjoying watching people fall all over themselves yelling about how it's actually harder to get into Harvard here.

lol, brilliant work Sherlock


Yeah, the point of the fact went right over their heads, which was silly entertainment.

Wonder if they understand that a Harvard educated man would also stand a good chance of having his application to Walmart tossed out immediately, along with known repeat criminals and people who more or less shiat on the application and turn it in.(commonly happens with over-educated / over-qualified people[ie they're likely to quit the moment a better job comes along, more likely to have the "i'm too good for this" attitude, more likely to not obey supervisors, etc])

Statistically, the information is true.  The same story, explained in terms with generic or fake titles for hypothetical organizations and everyone would be all "What happened to the obvious tag?"

But now they're shoving sand in their crotch because they know the real names, are tainted with the bias of their emotions and their perceptions/preferences about the images of the two organizations.

That's how (non)self aware and (ir)rational most farkers are though, anymore.
 
2014-03-31 08:12:37 AM
Hard to get into Harvard and even harder to get a job at WalMart?

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