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(The Raw Story)   Double whammy. Step one: forbid food trucks in order to protect the local restaurant industry. Step two: make the law apply to all trucks so churches cannot feed the homeless   (rawstory.com) divider line 127
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2014-03-30 09:59:21 PM  
 
2014-03-30 10:13:44 PM  
What about delivery trucks like Schwans or Omaha steaks? And the Girl Scout cookie mafia? And that guy from Nogales that sells shrimp out of his trunk or the nice door to door lady selling tamales from 5 gallon paint buckets? Oh wait, that'd be AZ and CA, not Alabama. Get rid of that tamale lady and it'll be war.
 
2014-03-30 11:07:10 PM  

EngineerAU: Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons  and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.


What is your idea here, that churches feed the homeless to keep them out of white suburbs??

That's the dumbest idea I ever heard. Why would you spend time and money feeding them when it's much cheaper to pay cops to harass them?
 
2014-03-30 11:15:38 PM  
I see a lot of folks getting mad at the GOP and conservatives in regards to this story.  Well in the interest of keeping folks well-informed....just look at the demographics of the region.  These folks ain't Republican, much as they'd love people to think they are and get mad about it.  Not that I give a damn about defending Republicans but in this case they are just not a part of this equation.

This scheme is run by old school conservative Dixiecrats Southern Democrats, in collusion with big corporate carpetbaggers restaurant chains.  It's also a good bet that the Mob has got their meat hooks in on this as well, but that's just speculation on my part.

It works like this:  Big, corporate carpetbaggers restaurant chains want to stick their fingers in a local economy and shill a cheap, crappy product so they put money into getting Dixiecrats politicians who are friendly to their interests elected.  Those local Dixiecrats politicians then pass laws which make it difficult and cost prohibitive to start a local business due to burdensome licensing requirements and high overhead.

Local businesses get around this by operating out of a truck or a trailer, which lowers their overhead.  This allows them to not only pay their workers a living wage and decrease their employee turnover rate (leading to less homeless people), but also offer a better product for a comparable, if not better price than the carpetbaggers brick-and-mortar businesses.

The consumer public is naturally going to be drawn to the kitschy little food truck with far better food, which also has the advantage of being new and novel, over the big corporate chain that makes OK food which only makes them a little sick to their stomachs.  The carpetbaggers corporate chains that run the brick-and-mortar stores don't like the competition, nor do they like a level playing field.  And they don't particularly like local money being funneled back into the local economy instead of their out-of-state pockets.

So the carpetbaggers corporations put the local Dixiecrat quislings politicians to work passing more draconian laws against food trucks.  As a bonus, they get to label the homeless shelter trucks as "food trucks" and run off all those unsightly homeless people ...into the next town which has a debtor's prison, from what I've been reading on this thread.  Prison's are of course a growth industry in the 21st Century so the folks that operate them get a piece of the pie as well.

How could they possibly get away with it?  The answer is simple...YOU!  All of you well-meaning dupes that are blaming the Republican conservatives for this sort of thing in the most knee jerk hysterical fashion possible.  You think, small town in Alabama and immediately you have this image of gun-totin', pickup truck drivin', Duck Dynasty watching, George W. votin' rednecks with their racist, misogynist good old boy network.

Well the Dixiecrats conservative Democrats want you to have that image in your head.  And they want you to tie that good old boy image to Republicans.  And they want you to confuse the terms "Republican" and "conservative" so that they are one in the same in your mind.  And while they're at it they want you to tie that image to the church (y'know, the ones that are actually feeding the homeless). And they want you to stay mad about it so that you act impulsively and never stop to think it through.  And if you are the sort to think it through then they want to appeal to your ego...they want you to be convinced of your own intellectual superiority and to think that there's no way you can generalize or give in to a mob mentality...you're too intellectual for that.  You're too smart for that!

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

See while you're busy being mad at Republicans, you're letting your situational awareness go to shiat.  You are also voting out the Dixiecrats' conservative Democrats' main competition.  You're doing their dirty work for them.  Your well-intentioned anger becomes their greatest asset.  Meanwhile both local economies like this, as well as the national economy, goes down the crapper.  Ordinary people are put out of business. they are put out on the street, and they are incarcerated all because the Dixiecrats the Devil that doesn't want you to know it exists is able to manipulate you all like children.

But what do I know, I'm just a troll on the internet.
 
2014-03-30 11:22:19 PM  

lostcat: So the local government is trying to protect local restaurants by making it harder for food trucks to compete with them?

And yet a search for Walmarts in Birmingham, AL, turns up THREE locations?



I'm so confused by the idea that local stores, where people go to buy goods, didn't need protection from Walmart, but local restaurants, where people go to sit and eat meals, need to be protected from trucks that sell food.


Walmart $ to procure favorable regulation > Foodtruck $ to procure favorable regulation
 
2014-03-30 11:32:02 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: WWRJD


He'd go down to the crossroads, kneel himself right down.
He'd go down to the crossroads, kneel himself right down.

/not Robert Johnson?
 
2014-03-30 11:41:45 PM  

rolladuck: GoldSpider: Are these churches making sure that donated food has adequate nutritional value, no harmful substances like trans fats, or contain known allergens like peanuts , lactose or gluten? No? Tough luck.

Are you seriously proposing that a person should not feed a starving person, because of the chance that the starving person might have a peanut allergy?
Just how much of Michael Bloomberg's kool-aid have you been drinking?


No more than 16 oz., supposedly.
 
2014-03-30 11:45:09 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: hasty ambush: [optimalhumanmodulation.files.wordpress.com image 850x812]

A government of the people, by the people and for the people is governed by, you guessed it, the people.


I don't think quoting Lincoln gets you far in Alabama.
 
2014-03-31 12:25:11 AM  

misterpriapus: But what do I know,


Little
 
2014-03-31 12:55:15 AM  

jnapier: The other side of the coin is Philly.
The suburban churches drive into the center of Philadelphia and feed the homeless.
The homeless congregate in that area where the church serves them three meals a day.  They even go from tent to tent bringing hot meals.

Unfortunately this circumvents social services that actual help people with more than just food.  The homeless dont get the medical and mental health they often need.
Philly has great services including housing, education and assistance.

Having them camp in the downtown plaza and using the fountains as toilets isn't helping the poor.  It's doing more harm than good.


If only there were some kind of truck, like a food truck, but for healthcare, maybe it could even have lights and sirens on it to make it stand out... Then the physical- and mental-healthcare providers for the homeless, if they exist, could get off their asses and do the same thing the churches are doing.
 
2014-03-31 01:12:56 AM  

GoldSpider: Are these churches making sure that donated food has adequate nutritional value, no harmful substances like trans fats, or contain known allergens like peanuts , lactose or gluten? No? Tough luck.


I think you need to get your first-world problems meter checked.
 
2014-03-31 01:23:24 AM  

rmcooper4: Small business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.


It looks like you mistakenly added an SM to the front of your point. I think it should read...

all business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.
 
2014-03-31 01:26:22 AM  
Well, I thought everyone hated the church anyway.
 
2014-03-31 06:52:26 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: rmcooper4: Small business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.

It looks like you mistakenly added an SM to the front of your point. I think it should read...

all business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.


I suppose that's true. My frustration comes from the exaltation of the small business owner to the point where they're above criticism, but your point is well taken.
 
2014-03-31 06:59:48 AM  

trappedspirit: misterpriapus: But what do I know,

Little


Yea, that is the definition of "Off the Mark."

Dixiecrats don't have a thing to do with this. Dixiecrats aren't even really an influence in this state since Republicans finally flipped the rural areas of the state around the time Siegelman got put in jail. I do agree that biatching about conservatives gives these mediocre politicians an out to be incompetent/play favorites, but that's about the only element of that that made any sense in context.
 
2014-03-31 07:31:13 AM  

lostcat: So the local government is trying to protect local restaurants by making it harder for food trucks to compete with them?

And yet a search for Walmarts in Birmingham, AL, turns up THREE locations?



I'm so confused by the idea that local stores, where people go to buy goods, didn't need protection from Walmart, but local restaurants, where people go to sit and eat meals, need to be protected from trucks that sell food.


Agree 100%.

Me thinks the politicians may own some restaurants, ... ... and Walmart stock.
 
2014-03-31 08:37:02 AM  
imagine if they had a "Food Trailer Park" like they do here in Austin. Oh the horror of small businesses working together to help the economy!  And if, (god forbid, and full pun intended on that one, btw) one of them HAPPEN to be one that helps the homeless...omg, they would have several heart attacks there in good ol' birmingham!

/sheesh, Birmingham, grow the fark up and progress a little..it won't hurt ya!
 
2014-03-31 12:47:26 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


What do you even mean? Having a law that isn't enforced on the books is incredibly dangerous, because one day someone may have an axe to grind and conveniently start enforcing it.

Every law should be enforced to its letter IMHO. If that's a problem, then the law needs to be changed.
 
2014-03-31 01:13:51 PM  
I've noticed that, over the past couple of years, that various cities have begun to block handouts of food for the homeless in various ways. If they're in a public park, the food distribution gets stopped through various ways and moved several blocks or miles away.

I've read where organizations handing out sandwiches to the homeless while on foot along streets have been stopped due to 'health laws'.

It's like folks have grown tired of the homeless problem, frustrated that the government, which helped start it all, hasn't been able to clean it up and just want it swept under the rug and off their streets.

Donations to food banks have slipped since the price of food has gone up -- which seems to go up these days for any excuse. Like, the price of milk will go up because Congress did not 'have time' to renew the subsidy bill last session, which means everything with milk byproducts in it will go up also, especially cheese -- the latter being, at one time, the 'poor man's food'.
Now it's the very well off's food. (Real cheese, that is.)

Homeless camps are being raided more frequently and shut down. We had a big one here, near the rail road tracks, on land no one really wanted and the city threw them out, bulldozed down their shelters and tents, cleared out most of the wild brush and made it into a public park -- where not even the public is allowed. No trespassing signs went up as soon as they were done.

The fact that the camp had caused no real problem and had been there for years didn't seem to matter.
 
2014-03-31 01:43:32 PM  

Truther: EngineerAU: Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.

You are a clueless fark.

The churches that feed the homeless in Milwaukee are the churches in the inner city.

You sir, are a dumbass.


Go easy on him. If EngineerAU means he has studied engineering at Auburn University, he may be at least mildly retarded.
 
2014-03-31 02:25:31 PM  
I came close to commenting that we have a similar law in Alabama where the restaurants in downtown Birmingham whined and griped. Then I clicked on the link and saw it WAS the one from Alabama. Yep. Competition is REALLY REALLY BAD here in the heart of "free market capitalism" land.

On a side note, Birmingham has some very nice food, and most people not from down here are unaware. One of our local chefs (Chris Hastings) even beat Bobby Flay on ICA. These are some damn good food trucks with five star cuisine for some of them. One of the truck owners opened a brick and mortar last week, and I'm already a regular.
 
2014-03-31 02:29:59 PM  

Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.


Yeah, Birmingham police officers have a certain reputation for being dicks-- even among police officers from elsewhere within the state.
 
2014-03-31 02:41:40 PM  

namatad: step 3: kill everyone who voted for the bill and whoever signed the bill into law
step 4: humanity profits universally


You'd basically end up needing to exterminate the population of Birmingham to truly fix the problem. They have a tendency to vote for a level of gross incompetence and corruption that would make U.S. Congressmen blush. (Google "Larry Langford," sometime. Better yet, expand that search to include "returned shirts" and "dental work." Even better, include "JP Morgan" and "Jefferson County" in that search. The dude was up to his eyeballs in scandal and DIDN'T EVEN FARKING LIVE IN BIRMINGHAM when they made him their mayor. But dammit if he wasn't properly flashy!) The Birmingham neighborhood associations are also nationally infamous for sending huge and unnecessary delegations to NUSA every year on the taxpayer dime. We send more people than almost anyone else, and that's not even the sum total of the neighborhood association budget that the taxpayers give them. If anyone is ever interested in watching this clown show, they do stream the meetings from the city website, now.
 
2014-03-31 02:47:10 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: WWRJD


As much as I would love to agree with you, seeing as how I'm one of the twelve remaining liberals* in the state of Alabama, Birmingham is Democrat land and very much so. And this brand of Democrat is far more Jebus-loving and corrupt than the worst Republican in D.C.

Nope. Not kidding. It's BAD.

*By "liberal" I mean that I'm a moderate, but in Alabama it counts.
 
2014-03-31 02:48:40 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: It's a Birmingham Ordinance. As much as I like bashing southern conservatives when I have a good reason, the city itself if VERY blue. Blame it on general bureaucracy and general incompetence (http://www.birminghamal.gov/citycouncil/).

/Lived here for a decade.
//Red and Blue politics in Alabama are both pretty scummy. Ask Larry Langford.
///IF ATLANTA CAN HAVE A BELUGA WHALE, BIRMINGHAM CAN HAVE A BELUGA WHALE


////And cruise ships. We'll park them at the BJCC.
 
2014-03-31 08:31:35 PM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Yes the leftist politicos who hate faith based movements of any kind, how dare we usurp the governments job of providing for the needy.


You know that those Catholic soup kitchens and probably these food trucks are funded by that evil liberal government.
 
2014-03-31 08:34:23 PM  

rmcooper4: squirrelflavoredyogurt: rmcooper4: Small business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.

It looks like you mistakenly added an SM to the front of your point. I think it should read...

all business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.

I suppose that's true. My frustration comes from the exaltation of the small business owner to the point where they're above criticism, but your point is well taken.


They are job creators and the back bone of the American economy!
 
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