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(The Raw Story)   Double whammy. Step one: forbid food trucks in order to protect the local restaurant industry. Step two: make the law apply to all trucks so churches cannot feed the homeless   (rawstory.com) divider line 127
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2014-03-30 07:59:45 PM  
 
2014-03-30 07:59:48 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: So.... "religious freedom" exemption?

/oh yeah, this is doing something Jesus actually advocated and said in the Bible...


Contrary to modern rhetoric, the free exercise clause doesn't give Blanket protection.

Religious practices are still subject to laws passed for the common good.
 
2014-03-30 08:01:27 PM  

lostcat: So the local government is trying to protect local restaurants by making it harder for food trucks to compete with them?

And yet a search for Walmarts in Birmingham, AL, turns up THREE locations?



I'm so confused by the idea that local stores, where people go to buy goods, didn't need protection from Walmart, but local restaurants, where people go to sit and eat meals, need to be protected from trucks that sell food.


Walmart had more money then mom and pop.

Restaurants have more money then food trucks.
 
2014-03-30 08:03:43 PM  
So what about catering trucks delivering food?
 
2014-03-30 08:04:26 PM  
FTA " even ones which sport Matthew 25, 35-40 on their sides.
"I was hungry, I was thirsty, I was naked, I was sick and in prison," the verses read. "When you do to them, you do to me."


They forgot Matthew 25, 40-45 says "psych!  suck it poor people.  Get a job!"
 
2014-03-30 08:05:32 PM  

chaosweaver: jvl: Damn the Man for making people who feed the homeless conform to basic standards of sanitation and passing a health inspection! Damn him to heck!

This. They are not stopping the church from feeding the homeless. The law simply requires that they hold to the exact same health and safety standards as other people that hand food out of the back of a truck.

/The horror!


There's a difference between a truck that cooks food and one that just hands it out.
 
2014-03-30 08:05:51 PM  
Why is the local restaurant industry any more important than the local food truck industry? And why are politicians protecting industries instead of their constituents?
 
2014-03-30 08:06:59 PM  

eas81: So obvious question, How many food truck are actually in Birmingham?  Can't be that many, can there?  I mean look at Austin or Seattle they have whole city blocks of them and no one cares.


/Austinite
//Some awesome food trucks here.


Not a ton of them, but it's a growing trade. Downtown Birmingham has been going through a pretty significant redevelopment over the last five-ten years. All of the food trucks operate in the downtown area (the closest Wal-Mart to downtown is about 3 miles away. Piggly Wiggly/Western Supermarkets serve downtown for the most part).

I think the Food Truck ordinance is honestly just supposed to be a method of protecting old businesses from new businesses, but it's really hamhandedly implemented. Like, the point is to keep them from operating too close to brick-and-mortar restaurants, but it's simply a poorly designed ordinance, and a lot of business owners are complaining about it and very unhappy with it, well beyond this case.
 
2014-03-30 08:09:00 PM  

shtychkn: OtherLittleGuy: So.... "religious freedom" exemption?

/oh yeah, this is doing something Jesus actually advocated and said in the Bible...

Contrary to modern rhetoric, the free exercise clause doesn't give Blanket protection.

Religious practices are still subject to laws passed for the common good.


Note: only applies to commerce - business or industry engaged in or affecting a public interest. If you don't want to make any money, and you don't want to be open to the public, you're still welcome to serve or deny anyone you want. Of course, if you can't serve the public or deal in money, it's going to be tough to find a business plan.
 
2014-03-30 08:09:03 PM  

untaken_name: Why is the local restaurant industry any more important than the local food truck industry? And why are politicians protecting industries instead of their constituents?


Because industry is part of their constituency.
 
2014-03-30 08:09:40 PM  

wildcardjack: Is this "we hate construction workers" legislation really about the restaurants, which are never actually ON THE JOB SITE, or is it to make more mexicans self deport? The second fits stated goals of legislators.

The real purpose of food trucks is to be a temporary eatery where the workers are. If this was anti-hipster legislation, I can understand. A food truck setting up across the street from a local establishment to serve local business is a practical business concern.


Ah I get it. If a restaurant's business model fails in the Blessed Free Market we need to bring the power of the Law down on those damned hipsters who out-compete them.
 
2014-03-30 08:10:43 PM  
The outrage is misplaced and misdirected. The intent of the law was not to prohibiatcharities from providing food to the homeless. That charities are are now prohibited from providing food to the homeless through food trucks is a completely unintended side-benefit to the law. A serendipitous effect, if you will.
 
2014-03-30 08:11:34 PM  

shtychkn: untaken_name: Why is the local restaurant industry any more important than the local food truck industry? And why are politicians protecting industries instead of their constituents?

Because industry is part of their constituency.


Is it a smaller or larger part of their constituency than "everything but the local restaurant industry"?
If they're supposed to protect only a tiny piece of their constituency, why local restaurants and not local food trucks?
 
2014-03-30 08:12:51 PM  

anuran: wildcardjack: Is this "we hate construction workers" legislation really about the restaurants, which are never actually ON THE JOB SITE, or is it to make more mexicans self deport? The second fits stated goals of legislators.

The real purpose of food trucks is to be a temporary eatery where the workers are. If this was anti-hipster legislation, I can understand. A food truck setting up across the street from a local establishment to serve local business is a practical business concern.

Ah I get it. If a restaurant's business model fails in the Blessed Free Market we need to bring the power of the Law down on those damned hipsters who out-compete them.


It is a free market till competition ruins my profits. Then we legislate to Protect by Business because you know... Freedom!
 
2014-03-30 08:13:57 PM  

EngineerAU: Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons  and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.


THIS.

/War Eagle
 
2014-03-30 08:14:50 PM  

untaken_name: shtychkn: untaken_name: Why is the local restaurant industry any more important than the local food truck industry? And why are politicians protecting industries instead of their constituents?

Because industry is part of their constituency.

Is it a smaller or larger part of their constituency than "everything but the local restaurant industry"?
If they're supposed to protect only a tiny piece of their constituency, why local restaurants and not local food trucks?


Probably guessing the Legislature owns restaurants or gets significant donations from them.
 
2014-03-30 08:14:55 PM  

Weaver95: ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....

no, authoritarians don't give a f*ck about morality.  they spent good money passing that law and making sure there were no loopholes.  you can damn well be sure they're going to make sure everyone complies.


I'd skirt that law just out of spite. It'd be up to them to figure out how I did it after I already made off with the money and contracts.
 
2014-03-30 08:16:58 PM  

untaken_name: shtychkn: untaken_name: Why is the local restaurant industry any more important than the local food truck industry? And why are politicians protecting industries instead of their constituents?

Because industry is part of their constituency.

Is it a smaller or larger part of their constituency than "everything but the local restaurant industry"?
If they're supposed to protect only a tiny piece of their constituency, why local restaurants and not local food trucks?


It is not led then everyone.

But the people made angry that will vote or donate about it are less then those who were made happy.

Politicians put those who are involved in politics first.
 
2014-03-30 08:17:04 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....


Step 1.  Call the local news station and pitch the story.
Step 2.  Let the camera truck show up.
Step 3.  Let the food truck show up.
Step 4.  Let the police show up.
Step 5.  Do what you want and see who blinks first.
 
2014-03-30 08:20:13 PM  

ZzeusS: ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....

Step 1.  Call the local news station and pitch the story.
Step 2.  Let the camera truck show up.
Step 3.  Let the food truck show up.
Step 4.  Let the police show up.
Step 5.  Do what you want and see who blinks first.


There is a reason that police can choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore.
 
2014-03-30 08:20:20 PM  

EdgeRunner: Cobblestone Flag: It's a Birmingham Ordinance. As much as I like bashing southern conservatives when I have a good reason, the city itself if VERY blue. Blame it on general bureaucracy and general incompetence (http://www.birminghamal.gov/citycouncil/)

Both sides are bad, so vote for hating on the homeless?

/cause, yknow, both sides like to support anti-homeless measures on the local front, so a vote for anyone is usually a vote to stick it to the poorest members of society. NIMBY is about as bipartisan an idea as it gets.


The poor get a lot of lip service from the local government, but it's mostly just talk/pandering for votes. They play the right tune to get the votes come election time, but they are all interested in catering to the same deep pockets.

This is the big scandal right now:  http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/03/new_citizens_coalition_protest.ht m l

A sweetheart deal to pay off a prolific donor.
 
2014-03-30 08:22:03 PM  

Ambivalence: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Why would anyone pass a law they don't mean or want to enforce? (That's a rhetorical quesiton.  Yes I do realize that Christian Conservatives wouldn't want to enforce laws protecting OTHER people's religion and that's a great example, but still)


Oh, there's room for lots more hypocrites than are dreamt of in your imagination, Horatio
 
2014-03-30 08:23:37 PM  

Dimensio: The outrage is misplaced and misdirected. The intent of the law was not to prohibiatcharities from providing food to the homeless. That charities are are now prohibited from providing food to the homeless through food trucks is a completely unintended side-benefit to the law. A serendipitous effect, if you will.


Bingo.

/nice filter pwnage, btw
 
2014-03-30 08:26:37 PM  

shtychkn: gets significant donations from them.


shtychkn: It is not led then everyone.

But the people made angry that will vote or donate about it are less then those who were made happy.

Politicians put those who are involved in politics first.


It's obviously due to blatant bribery. I just wondered if you would admit it.
 
2014-03-30 08:27:41 PM  
Restaurants need protection from food trucks.  Social workers and welfare administrators need protection from churches and other groups that help the poor for free.
 
2014-03-30 08:28:32 PM  

untaken_name: shtychkn: gets significant donations from them.

shtychkn: It is not led then everyone.

But the people made angry that will vote or donate about it are less then those who were made happy.

Politicians put those who are involved in politics first.

It's obviously due to blatant bribery. I just wondered if you would admit it.


Why would I not?

Politicians helping those that help them Hey elected is how a democracy works.
 
2014-03-30 08:30:42 PM  
mobile-cuisine.com
/feels it's about time
 
2014-03-30 08:39:28 PM  
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2014-03-30 08:41:23 PM  
There is no real problem -- they don't mean Christian churches. Because Jesus was an Aryan badass who would give a poor person a gun and teach him to hunt for hisself. Only heathen churches hand out food, that's socialism and downright Anti-American. So if you give food to poor people, you can take your commie religion and GIT OUT.
 
2014-03-30 08:43:00 PM  
It's a strange feeling.
The libertarian part of me wants to know why any business needed special protection from the government in order to stay in business.  Those food trucks were obviously providing a valuable service that their customers desired.  But the government can't have that...

The non-sociopath in me wonders why the government needed to pass a law that directly hurts its most vulnerable citizens.

The sociopath in my wants to violate the people who allowed the bill to become law, while feeding their entrails to chickens, and videotape it as a deterrent to any future such stupidity.

...

And they're all on the same side.
 
2014-03-30 08:46:15 PM  
Are these churches making sure that donated food has adequate nutritional value, no harmful substances like trans fats, or contain known allergens like peanuts , lactose or gluten? No? Tough luck.
 
2014-03-30 08:48:24 PM  
Schwans and a miss.
 
2014-03-30 08:49:55 PM  

GoldSpider: Are these churches making sure that donated food has adequate nutritional value, no harmful substances like trans fats, or contain known allergens like peanuts , lactose or gluten? No? Tough luck.


Are you seriously proposing that a person should not feed a starving person, because of the chance that the starving person might have a peanut allergy?
Just how much of Michael Bloomberg's kool-aid have you been drinking?
 
2014-03-30 08:51:50 PM  

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 850x592]
http://www.thenation.com/article/178845/town-turned-poverty-prison-s en tence

[i.imgur.com image 639x842]


Holy shiat.  Thanks for the link.
I moved to Birmingham two years ago.  This state is a third world country.
 
2014-03-30 09:08:39 PM  
Just give them muffin stumps
 
2014-03-30 09:09:35 PM  

hasty ambush: [optimalhumanmodulation.files.wordpress.com image 850x812]


A government of the people, by the people and for the people is governed by, you guessed it, the people.
 
2014-03-30 09:13:28 PM  

namatad: step 3: kill everyone who voted for the bill and whoever signed the bill into law
step 4: humanity profits universally


More people need to be killed.  There are too many, and the weight of idiocy becomes too much for society to bear.
 
2014-03-30 09:14:16 PM  

EngineerAU: Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons  and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.


You are a clueless fark.

The churches that feed the homeless in Milwaukee are the churches in the inner city.

You sir, are a dumbass.

/of the highest order
//congratulations
 
2014-03-30 09:14:25 PM  
Great.  Shut down that meals on wheels thing too, thats food from a truck.
 
2014-03-30 09:15:44 PM  
Can't those uppity homeless just go to the restaurants?
 
2014-03-30 09:16:34 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


Yes the leftist politicos who hate faith based movements of any kind, how dare we usurp the governments job of providing for the needy.
 
2014-03-30 09:20:07 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Weaver95: ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....

no, authoritarians don't give a f*ck about morality.  they spent good money passing that law and making sure there were no loopholes.  you can damn well be sure they're going to make sure everyone complies.

Alabama is scary, religious groups are annoying but this pisses me off so much I'd like to pitch in to help this guy get the required permits. Who's with me?
I want to see him driving an over the top Jesusmobile that is equipped to feed long lines of people.


http://www.rescuemission.org/services/

What a true mission looks like.
 
2014-03-30 09:21:02 PM  

remus: Can't those uppity homeless just go to the restaurants?


Yes, but non-homeless seeing the homeless buying their own food means they will no longer believe those "help, I'm hungry" signs the homeless have been holding up all this time.  If you want to play the beggar role, you got to live the role.
 
2014-03-30 09:25:01 PM  

lack of warmth: remus: Can't those uppity homeless just go to the restaurants?

Yes, but non-homeless seeing the homeless buying their own food means they will no longer believe those "help, I'm hungry" signs the homeless have been holding up all this time.  If you want to play the beggar role, you got to live the role.


Always a catch...  always...
 
2014-03-30 09:26:09 PM  

rolladuck: It's a strange feeling.
The libertarian part of me wants to know why any business needed special protection from the government in order to stay in business.  Those food trucks were obviously providing a valuable service that their customers desired.  But the government can't have that...

The non-sociopath in me wonders why the government needed to pass a law that directly hurts its most vulnerable citizens.

The sociopath in my wants to violate the people who allowed the bill to become law, while feeding their entrails to chickens, and videotape it as a deterrent to any future such stupidity.

...

And they're all on the same side.


This right here
 
2014-03-30 09:31:15 PM  
Simple. Just banninate asll trucks carrying food commercially, including the Walwart trucks, and see how fast there's a carefully "though not literate" exemption for them. Remember it's all about $$$afety!
 
2014-03-30 09:43:55 PM  

Weaver95: ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....

no, authoritarians don't give a f*ck about morality.  they spent good money passing that law and making sure there were no loopholes.  you can damn well be sure they're going to make sure everyone complies.


Probably, but the article was less clear than what we have here in Houston.

Where I live the law keeps food trucks (except certain "Grandfathered" food trucks) from entering downtown because, and I'm not making this shiat up, "the gas tanks for the cookers could turn it into a rolling bomb."  It's total bullshiat and obvious corruption but this is Texas, of the best law money can buy.

TFA on the other hand appears to be enforcing health code regulations, and while it is ENTIRELY possible that these regulations are bad it's also entirely possible they're just keeping the number of plagues upon the earth down to a reasonable level.

Another question which I don't have an answer for is whether the standard restaurant health codes apply to soup kitchens.  A charity that gives people typhoid (by accident) isn't a very good charity, I would think, and the same rules would apply to rolling charities.

Likelihood this is the case?  Unknown, it is Alabama.
 
2014-03-30 09:45:38 PM  

untaken_name: Why is the local restaurant industry any more important than the local food truck industry? And why are politicians protecting industries instead of their constituents?


Taxes
 
2014-03-30 09:47:38 PM  
Then I suggest that the homeless go and sit down during business lunch in those fine restaurants and order some coffee.
 
2014-03-30 09:50:32 PM  

EngineerAU: Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses.


Dude, would you really want to spend all that time cleaning homeless scat out of the same vans you need to use to pick up your immobile thithers.  All it takes is for somebody to find a used condom or dirty needle and they will suddenly find a different church that cares for their needs to go and put money in the collection plate of.  There just ain't enough febreeze out there.
 
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