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(The Raw Story)   Double whammy. Step one: forbid food trucks in order to protect the local restaurant industry. Step two: make the law apply to all trucks so churches cannot feed the homeless   (rawstory.com) divider line 127
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2014-03-30 02:39:13 PM  
Bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-30 03:21:27 PM  
Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.
 
2014-03-30 03:32:23 PM  
At this point, they're no longer worrying about it causing problems. It's just kicking people while they're down.
 
2014-03-30 03:34:42 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


Oh I suspect they will enforce it.
 
2014-03-30 03:38:43 PM  
"I'm just so totally shocked that the city is turning their back on the homeless like this," he said.

Yes. Shocked.
 
2014-03-30 03:54:46 PM  

Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.


Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....
 
2014-03-30 03:56:03 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....


no, authoritarians don't give a f*ck about morality.  they spent good money passing that law and making sure there were no loopholes.  you can damn well be sure they're going to make sure everyone complies.
 
2014-03-30 04:56:53 PM  

Weaver95: ColonelCathcart: Weaver95: Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.

Oh I suspect they will enforce it.

Against a church feeding the homeless? I'm not so sure they will enforce it, but you better believe they're going to go after a *business* that flaunts the law and cannot afford a good lawyer.

Like jaywalking in New York....

no, authoritarians don't give a f*ck about morality.  they spent good money passing that law and making sure there were no loopholes.  you can damn well be sure they're going to make sure everyone complies.


Alabama is scary, religious groups are annoying but this pisses me off so much I'd like to pitch in to help this guy get the required permits. Who's with me?
I want to see him driving an over the top Jesusmobile that is equipped to feed long lines of people.
 
2014-03-30 05:14:00 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


Why would anyone pass a law they don't mean or want to enforce? (That's a rhetorical quesiton.  Yes I do realize that Christian Conservatives wouldn't want to enforce laws protecting OTHER people's religion and that's a great example, but still)
 
2014-03-30 05:32:38 PM  
You'd think there'd be an exemption since they're not charging and I doubt they're actually cooking the food in the truck. But what do I know.

Wonder if they could get around this by unloading the truck onto a wheelbarrow or something and distributing the food from there?
 
2014-03-30 05:52:15 PM  
This hasn't been as a big on the news here as I would hope. I suspect it will be enforced as a part of an effort to keep panhandlers away from the park. Birmingham is pretty small, and there are several missions and shelters in the area---even a "multifaith" one 'The Firehouse' in walking distance that takes donation of  food; I know I've brought, them food left over from catered lunches where I worked. I wonder why the Minister doesn't just bring the food to that shelter?
 
2014-03-30 06:56:55 PM  
So.... "religious freedom" exemption?

/oh yeah, this is doing something Jesus actually advocated and said in the Bible...
 
2014-03-30 06:58:43 PM  
step 3: kill everyone who voted for the bill and whoever signed the bill into law
step 4: humanity profits universally
 
2014-03-30 07:10:48 PM  
Well, it does encourage the homeless to just hang around....
 
2014-03-30 07:19:55 PM  
Amerika:  Finding New Ways to Hate since forever.
 
2014-03-30 07:21:27 PM  
If I were to kill myself (which I'm not) the only people to object would be the reasons I'm killing myself over.

I hate the world.
 
2014-03-30 07:24:23 PM  
Feeding the poor is such a liberal believer thing to do. Conservative believers only believe that shiat during the service.
 
2014-03-30 07:26:46 PM  

LordZorch: Well, it does encourage the homeless to just hang around....


Just like Jesus did!
 
2014-03-30 07:26:59 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


Tell that to all the kids with lemonade stands that have been shutdown.  Just search Fark, there's been plenty.
 
2014-03-30 07:28:07 PM  
So the local government is trying to protect local restaurants by making it harder for food trucks to compete with them?

And yet a search for Walmarts in Birmingham, AL, turns up THREE locations?

img.fark.net

I'm so confused by the idea that local stores, where people go to buy goods, didn't need protection from Walmart, but local restaurants, where people go to sit and eat meals, need to be protected from trucks that sell food.
 
2014-03-30 07:29:17 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


In as much as the Police ordered Rev. Wood to stop feeding the homeless, they're enforcing it.

Or, does it only count as enforcement if he actually gets a beatdown and a prison term?
 
2014-03-30 07:29:59 PM  
Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons  and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.
 
2014-03-30 07:30:06 PM  
Small business owners sure seem to love the free market (see: arguments against minimum wage, ACA, etc.) until someone offers a free market challenge to their business model. Then it's time to regulate.
 
2014-03-30 07:30:27 PM  

edmo: Feeding the poor is such a liberal believer thing to do. Conservative believers only believe that shiat during the service.


What kind of mental gymnastics are you trying to pull?

And yes some cities and towns don't want you to feed the homeless because they don't give a shiat about them and just want them to go away.
 
2014-03-30 07:30:46 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


Look at what happens whenever Food, Not Bombs tries to feed people. Even in hippy-dippy liberal Oregon they send in the SWAT team
 
jvl
2014-03-30 07:31:08 PM  
Damn the Man for making people who feed the homeless conform to basic standards of sanitation and passing a health inspection! Damn him to heck!
 
2014-03-30 07:32:25 PM  

namatad: step 3: kill everyone who voted for the bill and whoever signed the bill into law
step 4: humanity profits universally


If you kill every evil, greedy sumbiatch in the Republican Party you're going to need to buy stock in the Union Metallic Cartridge Company and make sure your insurance policy covers repetitive strain injury to your trigger finger.
 
2014-03-30 07:32:25 PM  
It's like Obamacare for restaurants!

No, seriously. They defined what legal vendors there were for a product, then restricted opportunity to purchase from anything but the medium expensive (or better) product from those vendors. Any religious exemptions were denied by statute.

If you're on the side of the churches' 'meals on wheels' program, you're on the side of Hobby Lobby, et al. Or alternately, the side of liberty and goodness.
 
2014-03-30 07:32:44 PM  

lostcat: So the local government is trying to protect local restaurants by making it harder for food trucks to compete with them?

And yet a search for Walmarts in Birmingham, AL, turns up THREE locations?

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I'm so confused by the idea that local stores, where people go to buy goods, didn't need protection from Walmart, but local restaurants, where people go to sit and eat meals, need to be protected from trucks that sell food.


Walmart has truck loads of lawyers to fight such laws.  Most cities an towns don't have the budget to fight Walmart.  The guy with the hot dog truck, sure.
 
2014-03-30 07:33:25 PM  
Alabama Legislators:

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2014-03-30 07:34:02 PM  

EngineerAU: Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons  and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.


How deep into your arse did you have to reach to find that?
 
2014-03-30 07:34:04 PM  

fusillade762: You'd think there'd be an exemption since they're not charging and I doubt they're actually cooking the food in the truck. But what do I know.

Wonder if they could get around this by unloading the truck onto a wheelbarrow or something and distributing the food from there?


Bet they'll say "Every meal you feed the nasty poors is money stolen, yes stolen, from Taco Bell and Dollar General you damned commie!"
 
jvl
2014-03-30 07:34:13 PM  

anuran: Look at what happens whenever Food, Not Bombs tries to feed people. Even in hippy-dippy liberal Oregon they send in the SWAT team


So did San Francisco after FNB refused to get a permit even when the city offered it free and bent over backwards to try to help them comply with the requirements. Basically, FNB are attention whores who don't give a damn about the homeless except to use them as decorations in their favorite morality play.
 
2014-03-30 07:34:36 PM  
WWRJD
 
2014-03-30 07:34:41 PM  
The other side of the coin is Philly.
The suburban churches drive into the center of Philadelphia and feed the homeless.
The homeless congregate in that area where the church serves them three meals a day.  They even go from tent to tent bringing hot meals.

Unfortunately this circumvents social services that actual help people with more than just food.  The homeless dont get the medical and mental health they often need.
Philly has great services including housing, education and assistance.

Having them camp in the downtown plaza and using the fountains as toilets isn't helping the poor.  It's doing more harm than good.
 
2014-03-30 07:36:28 PM  
So obvious question, How many food truck are actually in Birmingham?  Can't be that many, can there?  I mean look at Austin or Seattle they have whole city blocks of them and no one cares.


/Austinite
//Some awesome food trucks here.
 
2014-03-30 07:37:25 PM  

jvl: Damn the Man for making people who feed the homeless conform to basic standards of sanitation and passing a health inspection! Damn him to heck!


This. They are not stopping the church from feeding the homeless. The law simply requires that they hold to the exact same health and safety standards as other people that hand food out of the back of a truck.

/The horror!
 
2014-03-30 07:38:38 PM  
It's a Birmingham Ordinance. As much as I like bashing southern conservatives when I have a good reason, the city itself if VERY blue. Blame it on general bureaucracy and general incompetence (http://www.birminghamal.gov/citycouncil/).

/Lived here for a decade.
//Red and Blue politics in Alabama are both pretty scummy. Ask Larry Langford.
///IF ATLANTA CAN HAVE A BELUGA WHALE, BIRMINGHAM CAN HAVE A BELUGA WHALE
 
2014-03-30 07:39:23 PM  
Gee if only there were a place the homeless could stay and eat for free.

Wait, what? They won't take people who are high or drunk in shelters and soup kitchens?
 
2014-03-30 07:41:39 PM  
Is this "we hate construction workers" legislation really about the restaurants, which are never actually ON THE JOB SITE, or is it to make more mexicans self deport? The second fits stated goals of legislators.

The real purpose of food trucks is to be a temporary eatery where the workers are. If this was anti-hipster legislation, I can understand. A food truck setting up across the street from a local establishment to serve local business is a practical business concern.

As far as the church stuff? This is what you farking morons elected into office. Suck it.
 
2014-03-30 07:43:26 PM  
Who buys trood?
 
2014-03-30 07:45:53 PM  

Porous Horace: Who buys trood?


I'm generally the only person in line at the store who DOES actually buy food.  Everyone else gets food as a benefit for being useless.
 
2014-03-30 07:47:48 PM  
I'm not surprised. This is a country where you can be too poor to get the nationally mandated health insurance.
 
2014-03-30 07:50:15 PM  
The church could start a "Take a Homeless Person to Dinner" trend, and eat with them inside the fancy restaurant. Then everybody would be happy.
 
2014-03-30 07:50:20 PM  

Callous: EngineerAU: Oh please. Most of these churches only care about feeding homeless to keep them away from their suburbs. Churches are some of the worst about dumping homeless on downtowns using the excuse their little town doesn't have homeless services so it's better to dump them off in the nearest big city park. There is no law that will prevent churches from renting a bus, taking the homeless back to their churches, and letting them eat there. Heck, most of the churches already own a few econoline vans or full size buses. The churches in the downtowns already know how to deal with the homeless populations and have permanent kitchens. It's the suburban and rural churches who want photo ops and act like they're visiting the zoo feeding the animals so they can pat themselves on the back for doing close to nothing. If they actually cared about the homeless they'd stop feeding them in the park like they're pigeons  and start working on the issues that caused the homelessness in the first place. But that's hard and doesn't make for quick and easy newsletter photos so it's left to the shrinking downtown churches to handle it all on their own while suburbanites cry on and on about 'those scary people' in the city.

How deep into your arse did you have to reach to find that?


I was trying to come up with a good, trolling, anti-religion comment as a bit of satire, but he did a way better job than I ever could.
 
2014-03-30 07:54:25 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Like anyone is actually gonna enforce that shiat.


They used to do it here. There was a priest who had an old school bus who would drive around and help the homeless - mostly youths - by giving them hot soup and an ear to listen to their problem.

Of course, some busybody from city hall thought it would be a good idea to follow him around and give him a fine every day, which the priest dutifully paid every time.
 
2014-03-30 07:55:30 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: It's a Birmingham Ordinance. As much as I like bashing southern conservatives when I have a good reason, the city itself if VERY blue. Blame it on general bureaucracy and general incompetence (http://www.birminghamal.gov/citycouncil/)


Both sides are bad, so vote for hating on the homeless?

/cause, yknow, both sides like to support anti-homeless measures on the local front, so a vote for anyone is usually a vote to stick it to the poorest members of society. NIMBY is about as bipartisan an idea as it gets.
 
2014-03-30 07:57:09 PM  

optikeye: This hasn't been as a big on the news here as I would hope. I suspect it will be enforced as a part of an effort to keep panhandlers away from the park. Birmingham is pretty small, and there are several missions and shelters in the area---even a "multifaith" one 'The Firehouse' in walking distance that takes donation of  food; I know I've brought, them food left over from catered lunches where I worked. I wonder why the Minister doesn't just bring the food to that shelter?


Not everybody can or will go to a shelter to eat.  Some won't know about them, some of them will be banned from the shelter for behavior, some can't stand to be around people due to mental illness.  A few are sometimes too drunk to bother trying to eat.  Some shelters have limits on how many they can feed daily.

Most homeless will be clustered around the areas where services are available, but not all.

Our church goes to the camps & spots where the people are staying.  In our city, the churches and agencies are given an inordinate amount of leeway in helping the homeless.  The agencies meet monthly with the mayor and we can bring up individual cases to the mayor for help.
 
2014-03-30 07:58:16 PM  
Sounds like a win-win.

Actually, fark that local eatery. If they can't compete with Jose's Tacos Sold from the Back of a Repainted U-HAUL, then tough shiat.
 
2014-03-30 07:59:01 PM  
It could happen to you.
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