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(Christian News)   Alabama Governor Robert Bentley (R-ighteous) unveils plan to help Alabama's students overcome gang violence, drugs, alcohol, peer pressure, and negative media influence   (christiannews.net) divider line 107
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2014-03-30 11:07:55 AM  
The groups urged Christians across the state to get involved in one or more activities, such as becoming a "prayer zone partner" by praying each time one drives past a school, planning a prayer vigil at church or organizing a prayer walk around their local school.

I want a hot chick from Alabama to be my beej zone partner, where every time I hear about underperforming Alabama schools, I get a beej. We can have beej vigils at my place. We could organize a beej walk around the woods so we don't get arrested for public indecency or whatever.

Because, you know, me getting a beej does every bit as much to address the problem as people praying when they drive past a school. And it makes me feel even better than these prayer vigil people feel.
 
2014-03-30 11:43:02 AM  
You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.
 
2014-03-30 12:05:34 PM  

MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.


Yeah, just wait until the first few auto accidents due to people praying instead of concentrating on the road around the schools.
 
2014-03-30 01:43:53 PM  
LAUGHTER OL what the idiot of this he is. Perhaps instead pass the basket around of these and provide further of funding to the students of the state of this and get rid of Nicholas Saban also while we are at this.

Or just have the fake invisible person do the helping.
 
2014-03-30 01:53:19 PM  
um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?
 
2014-03-30 02:05:10 PM  
""Without prayer, these students will not be able to stand against the insurmountable odds they will face from childhood until they leave this world.""

Wait. I thought the conservatives believed anyone could have the success through just the hard work and low taxes but now they must also have prayer?
 
2014-03-30 02:08:44 PM  
The proclamation is the ninth issued by the governor, as the first Day of Prayer Over Students took place in 2006. The occasion was launched by the group First Priority of Alabama, an organization that coordinates the Christian clubs that meet weekly before school and various prayer activities, such as "See You at the Pole."

Um, what da fuq?

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL what the idiot of this he is. Perhaps instead pass the basket around of these and provide further of funding to the students of the state of this and get rid of Nicholas Saban also while we are at this.

Or just have the fake invisible person do the helping.


Meowie!  How have you been?  Have you been missing around here, or am I just not seeing you?  Anyway, my laughter is OL to see you again, sweetie.
 
2014-03-30 02:36:30 PM  
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
 
2014-03-30 03:02:51 PM  

shanrick: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.


Well, if he's not worthy of divine intervention..
 
2014-03-30 03:25:32 PM  
meow said the dog is in the room everybody!

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-30 03:45:41 PM  
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
 
2014-03-30 03:50:19 PM  

ox45tallboy: The groups urged Christians across the state to get involved in one or more activities, such as becoming a "prayer zone partner" by praying each time one drives past a school, planning a prayer vigil at church or organizing a prayer walk around their local school.

I want a hot chick from Alabama to be my beej zone partner, where every time I hear about underperforming Alabama schools, I get a beej. We can have beej vigils at my place. We could organize a beej walk around the woods so we don't get arrested for public indecency or whatever.

Because, you know, me getting a beej does every bit as much to address the problem as people praying when they drive past a school. And it makes me feel even better than these prayer vigil people feel.


Nothing every comes from prayer.  A beej however...
 
2014-03-30 03:52:02 PM  

ox45tallboy: Yeah, just wait until the first few auto accidents due to people praying instead of concentrating on the road around the schools.


Then he'll declare a Day of Prayer Over Motor Vehicles.

Or a Day of Prayer Over Pray-ers.
 
2014-03-30 03:57:14 PM  
'Day of Prayer Over Students Across Alabama Prayer over students?  That sounds like you have the kids prostrate on the ground and you are standing over them, which is probably what these Christians feel should be happening.
Just think if you are going to do this you might want something that rolls of the tongue and has a little less unfortunate implications such as Day of Prayer for Alabama Students

And is just me but doesn't See you at the Pole seem to be something you would say to a stripper?
 
2014-03-30 04:08:01 PM  

spongeboob: And is just me but doesn't See you at the Pole seem to be something you would say to a stripper?


Or to Santa.
 
2014-03-30 04:13:17 PM  

RodneyToady: spongeboob: And is just me but doesn't See you at the Pole seem to be something you would say to a stripper?

Or to Santa.



 Santa lives at the North Pole so no one bothers him when he is trying to get ready for Christmas, be really rude to barge into his crib like that.
 
2014-03-30 04:36:29 PM  
In sha'Allah
 
2014-03-30 04:37:33 PM  

Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?


He never specified which God to pray to, so any deity is fair game.

"Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."
 
2014-03-30 04:38:15 PM  

MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.


Actually this doesn't really get a pass, it's blatantly illegal.

People don't care because it's trivial and no one gives a shiat about one-off unfunded government non-holidays (it's not an actual holiday if government workers don't get the day off, that's what 'holiday' means), but that's not really the same thing.
 
2014-03-30 04:38:26 PM  

spongeboob: RodneyToady: spongeboob: And is just me but doesn't See you at the Pole seem to be something you would say to a stripper?

Or to Santa.


 Santa lives at the North Pole so no one bothers him when he is trying to get ready for Christmas, be really rude to barge into his crib like that.


Yeah he just needs hide the elf slavery.
 
2014-03-30 04:44:29 PM  

ox45tallboy: MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.

Yeah, just wait until the first few auto accidents due to people praying instead of concentrating on the road around the schools.


Jeebus take the wheel! *thump* *thump*
 
2014-03-30 04:44:38 PM  
Prayer?  Yeah, that'll fix it for sure.
 
2014-03-30 04:44:58 PM  

MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.


I was a big fan of whoever said a Black Sabbath concert looked like "The Nuremberg Trials" with everyone pumping their hands into the air...but replace it with people swaying in unison at a Christian rock concert and suddenly it's a beautiful coming together of people.
 
2014-03-30 04:46:12 PM  
I'm going to pray for the opposite and skew the prayers. Tomorrow I'll be driving from Georgia to Mississippi so I can cover the. entire state in just a few hours.
 
2014-03-30 04:49:47 PM  
You can not petition the lord with prayer.
 
2014-03-30 04:50:25 PM  

spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


Shut up, Hippie Jesus™. This here's 'Murica and we pray to Republican Jesus™.
 
2014-03-30 04:53:18 PM  

dahmers love zombie: The proclamation is the ninth issued by the governor, as the first Day of Prayer Over Students took place in 2006. The occasion was launched by the group First Priority of Alabama, an organization that coordinates the Christian clubs that meet weekly before school and various prayer activities, such as "See You at the Pole."

Um, what da fuq?


It's one of those pseudo-clubs where members meet regularly at the flag pole outside school to pray before class. It's also a convenient way for student and faculty busybodies to identify proper, upstanding Christian white folk to give perks to as well as those to ostracize. They've been pulling this shiat since at least when I was in high school 15 years ago. Why yes, this was in Georgia, how did you know?
 
2014-03-30 04:55:39 PM  

spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


You have quoted a commonly misunderstood verse. While many uneducated non-Christians mistakenly believe that the verse is an admonishment against praying in a highly public and visible fashion, it actually is not because hey look over there!
 
2014-03-30 04:57:42 PM  

Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?


No, it does not.    The governor can make a declaration asking you to pray or not pray to anything and it has utterly no force of law.   It is no different than anyone else making declarations that people should or should not do something.    The only difference declarations signed by the governor and a declaration signed bag boy at the Piggly Wiggly is that person who happens to be governor has more influence.  But legally, the bag boy's declarations have just as much authority as the governor's i.e. none whatsoever.

The Constitution's prohibition's against church/state entanglement apply to things that actually do have force of law: say the governor ordered you to pray, forced you to contribute to a church (either directly or by giving taxpayer money to the church), etc. etc. etc.  In other words, the governor can't use the powers given to him by the State Constitution or State laws to favor one religion or no religion.  But in all other respects, the governor is just a person like any other free to try to influence you just like anyone else is free to try to influence you.

(That being said, it would not surprise me if a Republican governor in Alabama would be in favor of violating the First Amendment. But merely using his own free speech right to try to convince you to pray is not a violation.)
 
2014-03-30 04:58:22 PM  
Nothing fails like prayer.
 
2014-03-30 05:00:07 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?

No, it does not.    The governor can make a declaration asking you to pray or not pray to anything and it has utterly no force of law.   It is no different than anyone else making declarations that people should or should not do something.    The only difference declarations signed by the governor and a declaration signed bag boy at the Piggly Wiggly is that person who happens to be governor has more influence.  But legally, the bag boy's declarations have just as much authority as the governor's i.e. none whatsoever.

The Constitution's prohibition's against church/state entanglement apply to things that actually do have force of law: say the governor ordered you to pray, forced you to contribute to a church (either directly or by giving taxpayer money to the church), etc. etc. etc.  In other words, the governor can't use the powers given to him by the State Constitution or State laws to favor one religion or no religion.  But in all other respects, the governor is just a person like any other free to try to influence you just like anyone else is free to try to influence you.

(That being said, it would not surprise me if a Republican governor in Alabama would be in favor of violating the First Amendment. But merely using his own free speech right to try to convince you to pray is not a violation.)


And will be as effective as when Perry asked everyone to pray for rain.
 
2014-03-30 05:03:15 PM  

spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


You don't expect them to read the book that goes with their religion, do you?

Matthew was a hippie RINO.
 
2014-03-30 05:04:30 PM  
Just pandering to his constituency.


We call that attention whoring.
 
2014-03-30 05:04:59 PM  

spongeboob: 'Day of Prayer Over Students Across Alabama Prayer over students?  That sounds like you have the kids prostrate on the ground and you are standing over them, which is probably what these Christians feel should be happening.
Just think if you are going to do this you might want something that rolls of the tongue and has a little less unfortunate implications such as Day of Prayer for Alabama Students

And is just me but doesn't See you at the Pole seem to be something you would say to a stripper?


Yeah, the "over" part struck me a creepy, too.
 
2014-03-30 05:05:32 PM  

Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?


That's what I was wondering, but I guess since it doesn't actually require anything, it's ok.
 
2014-03-30 05:06:33 PM  

MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.


Oprah did it for years.
 
2014-03-30 05:06:35 PM  
Not a "Day of Prayer FOR Students", but a "Day of Prayer OVER Students". That alone suggests his oppressive mindset.
 
2014-03-30 05:07:02 PM  

spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


One of my personal favorite passages...and not just cause it got me out of going to synagogue as a kid...
 
2014-03-30 05:07:54 PM  
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2014-03-30 05:08:36 PM  

Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?


Hey, if Rick Perry can pray for rain, why not?
 
2014-03-30 05:10:00 PM  

ommitay: meow said the dog is in the room everybody!

[img.fark.net image 200x252]


If anyone knows what that schtick is all about, can you help a brother out?
 
2014-03-30 05:14:58 PM  

spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


You sound like you expect these idiots to have actually read the bible.
 
2014-03-30 05:20:39 PM  

inglixthemad: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

You don't expect them to read the book that goes with their religion, do you?

Matthew was a hippie RINO.


Well Matthew was a publican, a tax collector not the much cooler owner of a pub that I thought that meant when I first read the Bible, so I don't think he would even get the RINO tag pretty sure that makes him a straight up Socialist.
 
2014-03-30 05:21:15 PM  

ox45tallboy: I want a hot chick from Alabama to be my beej zone partner


Which should work out perfectly due to her lack of teeth.
 
2014-03-30 05:23:50 PM  

Empty Matchbook: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

One of my personal favorite passages...and not just cause it got me out of going to synagogue as a kid...


How did a passage from the New Testament get you out of going to synagogue?
 
2014-03-30 05:25:38 PM  
Why would they pray for students? They've got plenty. They're just  going to pray over the ones they already have.
 
2014-03-30 05:37:18 PM  

spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


Heretical Satanic modern translation!

www.tillhecomes.org
 
2014-03-30 05:40:29 PM  
I would think the Governor funding public schools better in his budget would help more than calling for prayer zones.

Anyway, he's just playing to his base supporters rather than taking more effective management actions.
 
2014-03-30 05:42:33 PM  
"Hmm. Prayer or policy?  Prayer... or... policy... decisions, decisions...  You know what, screw it, I'm gonna go with prayer!"
 
2014-03-30 05:42:57 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]


So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.
 
2014-03-30 05:43:04 PM  
And blue-state support for southern secession just got a bit stronger.
 
2014-03-30 05:54:38 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [img.fark.net image 631x760]


Science can change handicapped black kids into able-bodied white kids?
 
2014-03-30 05:58:35 PM  

Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?


Which is of course exactly what that asshat and so many others are looking for.
 
2014-03-30 06:00:06 PM  

wellreadneck: Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.


Wasn't King James gay?
 
2014-03-30 06:00:21 PM  
Does everyone know why Freedom Of Belief was written into the Constitution. Because the Founding Fathers were hangin out, trying to hammer out a Document that would cover as many situations as they could perceive arising that might impinge on the common man's right to go about his business of pursuing happiness, or at least some kind of satisfaction in his or her endeavors.

Anyway , there was one of these folks who suggested STRONGLY that the Congregational Church be made the Religion of the Nation. His name was John Adams. A New Englander from Massachusetts, less than a century before the Salem Witch Trial took place

Some of the others present, more Enlightenment influenced thinkers like Franklin and Jefferson quietly put their heads together and decided that the Freedom of Belief needed to be  enshrined in the Constitution. It was Adam's strident belief that lead his peers to make sure that no one could force their belief on ANYONE.

Hey Alabama? What the Fuq? The rest of you fuq'd up States know who you are, not to mention all the Cultish Fuq'up finger pointing  religious EXTREMISTS. Get your shiat together.

America has an important mission on the Planet. We screwed up plenty with the Climate , the Balance of Things, The extinctions that are happening a faster and faster rate as years pass. WE need to play a very important roll in this battle to save the Planet. And instead these bozos are praying while driving by those reeducation camps we call public schools.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so goddamn tragic.
 
2014-03-30 06:06:46 PM  

germ78: ox45tallboy: MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.

Yeah, just wait until the first few auto accidents due to people praying instead of concentrating on the road around the schools.

Jeebus take the wheel! *thump* *thump*


He's only a co-pilot. He's not fully qualified.
 
2014-03-30 06:09:24 PM  

Jim_Callahan: MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.

Actually this doesn't really get a pass, it's blatantly illegal.

People don't care because it's trivial and no one gives a shiat about one-off unfunded government non-holidays (it's not an actual holiday if government workers don't get the day off, that's what 'holiday' means), but that's not really the same thing.


National Day of Prayer

I think the founders might disagree with you on that.

There were several national days of prayer before the day was made an official annual day of observance in 1952. Prior to the nation's founding, the Second Continental Congress issued a proclamation recommending "a day of publick [sic] humiliation, fasting, and prayer" be observed by the "English Colonies" on Thursday, July 20, 1775, "and to bless our rightful sovereign, King George the Third..."[10] A proclamation to this end was sent to every town in the colonies. In his role as Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, George Washington acknowledged a second day of "fasting, humiliation and prayer" proclaimed by the Continental Congress to be held on Thursday, May 6, 1779. To enable his soldiers to observe the day, Washington ordered a one-day cessation of recreation and "unnecessary labor".[11] In March 1780, Congress announced a day of "fasting, humiliation and prayer" to be held on Wednesday, April 26, 1780.[12]
 
2014-03-30 06:09:42 PM  

meow said the dog: ""Without prayer, these students will not be able to stand against the insurmountable odds they will face from childhood until they leave this world.""

Wait. I thought the conservatives believed anyone could have the success through just the hard work and low taxes but now they must also have prayer?


Bibles have boot straps.
 
2014-03-30 06:15:34 PM  

AirForceVet: I would think the Governor funding public schools better in his budget would help more than calling for prayer zones.

Anyway, he's just playing to his base supporters rather than taking more effective management actions.


It seems pretty effective to me, as long as you define "effective" as "accomplishing the goals he wants to accomplish".

Liberal: Let's see what we come up with to solve this problem.
Conservative: Let's pray about it!

Average red-state voter: Our guy really shows some concern about this issue. Their guy just wants to make another power grab and spend taxpayer dollars willy-nilly on another stupid government program.
 
2014-03-30 06:17:13 PM  

Empty Matchbook: I was a big fan of whoever said a Black Sabbath concert looked like "The Nuremberg Trials" with everyone pumping their hands into the air...but replace it with people swaying in unison at a Christian rock concert and suddenly it's a beautiful coming together of people.


There wasn't a lot of first-pumping at the Nuremberg trials; more a lot of shouting and claiming the court didn't have jurisdiction (it did).

Maybe they meant "Nuremberg Rallies"?
 
2014-03-30 06:17:36 PM  
It is cheaper than actually doing something to improve the education system.
 
2014-03-30 06:21:48 PM  

theknuckler_33: ommitay: meow said the dog is in the room everybody!

[img.fark.net image 200x252]

If anyone knows what that schtick is all about, can you help a brother out?


meow said the dog is just plain interesting because he/she makes no sense. You try and figure it out.
 
2014-03-30 06:24:07 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-30 06:35:29 PM  
Statistically the best way to have a kid who grows up good is to have a mom and a dad who remain married.
 
2014-03-30 06:35:44 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: less than a century before the Salem Witch Trial took place


Damn that John Adams and his magical time machine!
 
2014-03-30 06:39:01 PM  
Are they changing the motto from "Flyover State" to "Prayover State?"
 
2014-03-30 06:44:40 PM  

EmmaLou: wellreadneck: Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.

Wasn't King James gay?


If they can turn a blind eye to his Catholicism why not his homosexuality?
 
2014-03-30 06:54:35 PM  

DeltaPunch: DrD'isInfotainment: less than a century before the Salem Witch Trial took place

Damn that John Adams and his magical time machine!


SOrry! the syntax was completely wrong
 
2014-03-30 06:57:10 PM  

Weaver95: um...doesn't this come dangerously close to imposing a state religion on the citizens of alabama?


I don't think so. It encourages religious behavior overall, but there's no inherent reason Hindus, Jews, Druids and Muslims in AL can't join in. It doesn't single out Christian prayer in general.
 
2014-03-30 07:04:35 PM  
All these god-prayer guys look like they're being ass-f*cked by a cactus dildo.
 
2014-03-30 07:05:53 PM  

spongeboob: Empty Matchbook: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

One of my personal favorite passages...and not just cause it got me out of going to synagogue as a kid...

How did a passage from the New Testament get you out of going to synagogue?



Historically speaking, the New Testament gets a lot of people out of going to synagogue.
 
2014-03-30 07:10:49 PM  
It's the least he could do.
 
2014-03-30 07:16:38 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Meowie!  How have you been?  Have you been missing around here, or am I just not seeing you?  Anyway, my laughter is OL to see you again, sweetie.


Meow is actually a pekingese sat upon a well appointed couch. Or, that is at least what TinyChat has taught me.
 
2014-03-30 07:23:54 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Statistically the best way to have a kid who grows up good is to have a mom and a dad who remain married.


So... pray for them to ban divorce?
 
2014-03-30 07:39:08 PM  

fusillade762: bigsteve3OOO: Statistically the best way to have a kid who grows up good is to have a mom and a dad who remain married.

So... pray for them to ban divorce?


They grow up good but they ain't gots good grammar.
 
2014-03-30 07:43:12 PM  
Can they pray to Allah, too?
 
2014-03-30 08:21:02 PM  
goddammitsomuch, Gov. Bentley! Up to now you've managed to avoid pandering to the Xtian wackadoodle brigade. Now you've done gone and spoilt it.

I guess because ALFA won't let you raise taxes, you've got to invent SOMETHING to do.
 
2014-03-30 08:38:33 PM  

BlackArt: Nothing fails like prayer.


Said another way, intercession prayers fail like nothing.
 
2014-03-30 08:41:24 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: goddammitsomuch, Gov. Bentley! Up to now you've managed to avoid pandering to the Xtian wackadoodle brigade. Now you've done gone and spoilt it.

I guess because ALFA won't let you raise taxes, you've got to invent SOMETHING to do.


Well, according to the article he's been doing it since 2006...
 
2014-03-30 08:58:19 PM  
The Beatles said "All You Need is Love", and yet the people who support this "day of prayer" would call that hippie druggie twaddle.  What a farked up country.
 
2014-03-30 08:58:38 PM  

spongeboob: Empty Matchbook: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

One of my personal favorite passages...and not just cause it got me out of going to synagogue as a kid...

How did a passage from the New Testament get you out of going to synagogue?


Reform Jewish. My parents actually encouraged me to think critically about scripture and what it meant. They were very big into the whole "thirst for knowledge" thing.
 
2014-03-30 08:59:42 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Empty Matchbook: I was a big fan of whoever said a Black Sabbath concert looked like "The Nuremberg Trials" with everyone pumping their hands into the air...but replace it with people swaying in unison at a Christian rock concert and suddenly it's a beautiful coming together of people.

There wasn't a lot of first-pumping at the Nuremberg trials; more a lot of shouting and claiming the court didn't have jurisdiction (it did).

Maybe they meant "Nuremberg Rallies"?


That may very well be. It may have been conflated in my memory as I always assumed supporters/sympathizers were at the trials, but you're likely right.

/I've admitted I'm likely wrong on the internet!
//TORN TO SHREDS
///to SHREDS you say?
 
2014-03-30 09:46:23 PM  

wellreadneck: Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.


This is apparently some kind of a thing.

CSB: I was on /b/ (imagine that) and there was an oft-seen anti-atheist thread.  I asked how US Christians knew that their specific sect was the one true sect, and anyway which bible version should they use?  Some person became very insistent that the KJV was THE ONLY version anyone should use - even Egyptian Coptics I guess.

I asked, how could a bible version written/translated in English in the 17th Century be more true to the historic word o'god than the original Aramaic texts from, y'know, biblical times, and got a pile of wharrgarbl in return.  So evidently there's some kind of KJV-uber-alles movement out there.
 
2014-03-30 10:43:45 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Statistically the best way to have a kid who grows up good is to have a mom and a dad who remain married.


It can certainly help, as do committed same sex parents, but it's a causality vs. causation issue. Plus, sometimes parents are abusive and there's nothing to gain in maintaining a dysfunctional marriage.

What does any of this have to do with the article?
 
2014-03-30 10:44:50 PM  

ox45tallboy: praying each time one drives past a school

I'd rather they just focus on driving, especially in a school zone.
 
2014-03-30 11:51:50 PM  
He'll pray for them, but he will not expand Medicaid to help them if they get sick.
 
2014-03-31 12:45:59 AM  
If it works, and they do become godly and honorable adults, how's he getting re-elected?
 
2014-03-31 01:45:59 AM  
Prayer has zero effect. It's a proven fact.
 
2014-03-31 01:51:39 AM  

heavymetal: He'll pray for them, but he will not expand Medicaid to help them if they get sick.


If they're good Christians and right with god, they won't get sick.
 
2014-03-31 02:07:55 AM  
Is this the Sharia Law they are so worried about? Sounds creepy.
 
2014-03-31 03:03:41 AM  

El Pachuco: wellreadneck: Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.

This is apparently some kind of a thing.

CSB: I was on /b/ (imagine that) and there was an oft-seen anti-atheist thread.  I asked how US Christians knew that their specific sect was the one true sect, and anyway which bible version should they use?  Some person became very insistent that the KJV was THE ONLY version anyone should use - even Egyptian Coptics I guess.

I asked, how could a bible version written/translated in English in the 17th Century be more true to the historic word o'god than the original Aramaic texts from, y'know, biblical times, and got a pile of wharrgarbl in return.  So evidently there's some kind of KJV-uber-alles movement out there.


Indeed.  I used to follow all sorts weird fundie fringe theories/beliefs, and that was one of them.  They believed that god had directed that translation, and that one only.  To them, even the earlier manuscripts were wrong, because god intentionally put errors in them, knowing that they would be later "mistranslated" into the correct version.  They follow the general conspiracy theorist/cult logic where any factual evidence that contradicts their beliefs is actually evidence of an even bigger conspiracy designed to trick (sane) people.
 
2014-03-31 03:46:54 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Does everyone know why Freedom Of Belief was written into the Constitution. Because the Founding Fathers were hangin out, trying to hammer out a Document that would cover as many situations as they could perceive arising that might impinge on the common man's right to go about his business of pursuing happiness, or at least some kind of satisfaction in his or her endeavors.

Anyway , there was one of these folks who suggested STRONGLY that the Congregational Church be made the Religion of the Nation. His name was John Adams. A New Englander from Massachusetts, less than a century before the Salem Witch Trial took place

Some of the others present, more Enlightenment influenced thinkers like Franklin and Jefferson quietly put their heads together and decided that the Freedom of Belief needed to be  enshrined in the Constitution. It was Adam's strident belief that lead his peers to make sure that no one could force their belief on ANYONE.

Hey Alabama? What the Fuq? The rest of you fuq'd up States know who you are, not to mention all the Cultish Fuq'up finger pointing  religious EXTREMISTS. Get your shiat together.

America has an important mission on the Planet. We screwed up plenty with the Climate , the Balance of Things, The extinctions that are happening a faster and faster rate as years pass. WE need to play a very important roll in this battle to save the Planet. And instead these bozos are praying while driving by those reeducation camps we call public schools.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so goddamn tragic.


The Salem Witch Trials took place in the 1600's.
 
2014-03-31 03:51:06 AM  

El Pachuco: wellreadneck: Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.

This is apparently some kind of a thing.

CSB: I was on /b/ (imagine that) and there was an oft-seen anti-atheist thread.  I asked how US Christians knew that their specific sect was the one true sect, and anyway which bible version should they use?  Some person became very insistent that the KJV was THE ONLY version anyone should use - even Egyptian Coptics I guess.

I asked, how could a bible version written/translated in English in the 17th Century be more true to the historic word o'god than the original Aramaic texts from, y'know, biblical times, and got a pile of wharrgarbl in return.  So evidently there's some kind of KJV-uber-alles movement out there.


Even today there are many non-English speaking Protestants both in the US and, shockingly, around the world. Which translation are these God-forsaken souls to use?
 
2014-03-31 04:13:45 AM  

highwayrun: El Pachuco: wellreadneck: Lee Jackson Beauregard: spongeboob: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Heretical Satanic modern translation!

[www.tillhecomes.org image 500x376]

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady
the only three letters I need to know
are K,J, and V.

This is apparently some kind of a thing.

CSB: I was on /b/ (imagine that) and there was an oft-seen anti-atheist thread.  I asked how US Christians knew that their specific sect was the one true sect, and anyway which bible version should they use?  Some person became very insistent that the KJV was THE ONLY version anyone should use - even Egyptian Coptics I guess.

I asked, how could a bible version written/translated in English in the 17th Century be more true to the historic word o'god than the original Aramaic texts from, y'know, biblical times, and got a pile of wharrgarbl in return.  So evidently there's some kind of KJV-uber-alles movement out there.

Even today there are many non-English speaking Protestants both in the US and, shockingly, around the world. Which translation are these God-forsaken souls to use?


They need to learn to speak 'Murrican, otherwise Jesus won't love them.  Obviously.
 
2014-03-31 04:26:34 AM  

Great_Milenko: The Beatles said "All You Need is Love", and yet the people who support this "day of prayer" would call that hippie druggie twaddle.  What a farked up country.


Yeah the squares that run things don't listen to the beatles. Wait, what?
 
2014-03-31 07:48:09 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: You can not petition the lord with prayer.


That's what they used to say when I was back there in seminary school.
 
2014-03-31 08:00:00 AM  

highwayrun: DrD'isInfotainment: Does everyone know why Freedom Of Belief was written into the Constitution. Because the Founding Fathers were hangin out, trying to hammer out a Document that would cover as many situations as they could perceive arising that might impinge on the common man's right to go about his business of pursuing happiness, or at least some kind of satisfaction in his or her endeavors.

Anyway , there was one of these folks who suggested STRONGLY that the Congregational Church be made the Religion of the Nation. His name was John Adams. A New Englander from Massachusetts, less than a century before the Salem Witch Trial took place

Some of the others present, more Enlightenment influenced thinkers like Franklin and Jefferson quietly put their heads together and decided that the Freedom of Belief needed to be  enshrined in the Constitution. It was Adam's strident belief that lead his peers to make sure that no one could force their belief on ANYONE.

Hey Alabama? What the Fuq? The rest of you fuq'd up States know who you are, not to mention all the Cultish Fuq'up finger pointing  religious EXTREMISTS. Get your shiat together.

America has an important mission on the Planet. We screwed up plenty with the Climate , the Balance of Things, The extinctions that are happening a faster and faster rate as years pass. WE need to play a very important roll in this battle to save the Planet. And instead these bozos are praying while driving by those reeducation camps we call public schools.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so goddamn tragic.

The Salem Witch Trials took place in the 1600's.


I think he meant less than a century *after* the Salem witch trials.

/Fark:  The Congregational Church is precisely the one that used to be the Puritans
//TotalFark:  They're one of the more liberal churches these days
 
2014-03-31 09:38:02 AM  

germ78: ox45tallboy: MrBallou: You realize that in any other setting, encouraging mass self-hypnosis and advocating irrational behavior would be considered a criminal act. Religion gets you a free pass.

Yeah, just wait until the first few auto accidents due to people praying instead of concentrating on the road around the schools.

Jeebus take the wheel! *thump* *thump*


"I gave Jesus the wheel.  He saw the accident about to happen and he said to me "give me the wheel, I've got this."  So I gave him the wheel and BAM he drove right into them. Jesus can't drive worth shiat!"
 
2014-03-31 10:02:29 AM  
i75.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-31 10:27:05 AM  
Prayer: How to accomplish nothing and still feel like you're helping.

One of the most disturbing experiences for me was growing up and realizing how child-like so many adults still are.
 
2014-03-31 10:45:58 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: Statistically the best way to have a kid who grows up good is to have a mom and a dad who remain married.


Gee, I wonder how many of those Wall Street banisters who bilked America for trillions of dollars were raised in a broken home? How many successful and powerful presidents in our current generation were born to single mothers? How many heinous, disgusting, ineffectual, murderous presidents in our current generation were raised in a mother-father based familial home?

I'd say, maybe we should have more single parents.

/Of course we shouldn't. Those who are single parenting are usually doing it due to circumstances that suggest being a single parent is much better than staying married to an abusive spouse.
 
2014-03-31 10:55:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: heavymetal: He'll pray for them, but he will not expand Medicaid to help them if they get sick.

If they're good Christians and right with god, they won't get sick.


He's just banking on the most of the people dying are the poor and minorities who vote Democratic and the others are martyrs for conservatism.
 
2014-03-31 10:57:55 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: highwayrun: DrD'isInfotainment: Does everyone know why Freedom Of Belief was written into the Constitution. Because the Founding Fathers were hangin out, trying to hammer out a Document that would cover as many situations as they could perceive arising that might impinge on the common man's right to go about his business of pursuing happiness, or at least some kind of satisfaction in his or her endeavors.

Anyway , there was one of these folks who suggested STRONGLY that the Congregational Church be made the Religion of the Nation. His name was John Adams. A New Englander from Massachusetts, less than a century before the Salem Witch Trial took place

Some of the others present, more Enlightenment influenced thinkers like Franklin and Jefferson quietly put their heads together and decided that the Freedom of Belief needed to be  enshrined in the Constitution. It was Adam's strident belief that lead his peers to make sure that no one could force their belief on ANYONE.

Hey Alabama? What the Fuq? The rest of you fuq'd up States know who you are, not to mention all the Cultish Fuq'up finger pointing  religious EXTREMISTS. Get your shiat together.

America has an important mission on the Planet. We screwed up plenty with the Climate , the Balance of Things, The extinctions that are happening a faster and faster rate as years pass. WE need to play a very important roll in this battle to save the Planet. And instead these bozos are praying while driving by those reeducation camps we call public schools.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so goddamn tragic.

The Salem Witch Trials took place in the 1600's.

I think he meant less than a century *after* the Salem witch trials.

/Fark:  The Congregational Church is precisely the one that used to be the Puritans
//TotalFark:  They're one of the more liberal churches these days


Hey thanks. I keep wondering how it happened but I think I left out "a "where" and a few comas as in :
A New Englander from Massachusetts, where,less than a century before, the Salem Witch Trial took place.
Now maybe my intent is clearer...or I could just switched after with before. It's been known to happen, for some reason.
 
2014-03-31 12:14:39 PM  
Subby, why  insult Alabama with the "gang violence, drugs, alcohol, peer pressure, and negative media influence" part, no need to make up th-

"Whereas Alabama students face extreme challenges, such as peer pressure to abuse drugs and alcohol, negative influences in the media, school violence and gang activities, and low self-esteem," the proclamation issued by Governor Robert Bentley read, "... Alabamians are encouraged to pray for God's protection

Aww crap
 
2014-03-31 12:30:36 PM  

dericwater: /Of course we shouldn't. Those who are single parenting are usually doing it due to circumstances that suggest being a single parent is much better than staying married to an abusive spouse.


And lack of birth control/abortion
 
2014-03-31 03:05:27 PM  

ox45tallboy: I think the founders might disagree with you on that.

There were several national days of prayer before the day was made an official annual day of observance in 1952. Prior to the nation's founding, the Second Continental Congress issued a proclamation recommending "a day of publick [sic] humiliation, fasting, and prayer" be observed by the "English Colonies" on Thursday, July 20, 1775, "and to bless our rightful sovereign, King George the Third..."[10] A proclamation to this end was sent to every town in the colonies. In his role as Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, George Washington acknowledged a second day of "fasting, humiliation and prayer" proclaimed by the Continental Congress to be held on Thursday, May 6, 1779. To enable his soldiers to observe the day, Washington ordered a one-day cessation of recreation and "unnecessary labor".[11] In March 1780, Congress announced a day of "fasting, humiliation and prayer" to be held on Wednesday, April 26, 1780.[12]


While that's all very edifying, you do realize that the Constitution wasn't ratified until 1788, and the first Congress wasn't seated until 1789?  And the Bill of Rights wasn't ratified and made part of the Constitution until December of 1791?

They may have thought prayer was the Bee's Knees!

But they still created a system of Government that excluded it.
 
2014-03-31 04:00:27 PM  

Deucednuisance: While that's all very edifying, you do realize that the Constitution wasn't ratified until 1788, and the first Congress wasn't seated until 1789?  And the Bill of Rights wasn't ratified and made part of the Constitution until December of 1791?

They may have thought prayer was the Bee's Knees!

But they still created a system of Government that excluded it.


It's currently not unconstitutional to have a recognized day of prayer, as long as the deity being prayed to, and the manner of prayer, is not specified or officially sanctioned.

Not that I think it shouldn't be illegal, as our leaders should be focusing on actually solving problems, but that's the way it is.
 
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