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2014-03-30 12:50:27 PM  
Montreal Astros has a certain ring to it.
 
2014-03-30 01:24:58 PM  
Move the marlins back to Montreal. Let both Montreal fans and Miami fans have a 30 minute purge on Jeffrey Loria.
 
2014-03-30 01:33:13 PM  
Expansion teams should go the other direction; I'm thinking Havana and Mexico City.

/yes I know there would be 'challenges'
 
2014-03-30 01:42:40 PM  
they need a stadium. there's no overstating how much of a pit the big O is. Preferably downtown, and the city's broke so the owner would have to pay for it. But, if you could build it the fans would be there. The Expos drew huge crowds before the combination Loria's douchbaggery and a crumbling stadium drove them away.
 
2014-03-30 01:50:15 PM  
Just before the Expos moved south, they were drawing about 5,000 fans per game. One year the Red Sox had an interleague series with them and about 20,000 New Englanders headed north to see the sights on St. Catherine's Street, then sober up at the game.

Good times.
 
2014-03-30 02:02:59 PM  
But Mama, that's where the fun iiiiiiiiiiissss...
 
2014-03-30 02:06:41 PM  

Arkanaut: But Mama, that's where the fun iiiiiiiiiiissss...


The home run calliope crashed to the ground...
 
2014-03-30 02:13:41 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Arkanaut: But Mama, that's where the fun iiiiiiiiiiissss...

The home run calliope crashed to the ground...


Called out by a deuce, another runner in the (a baseball term that rhymes with night)
 
2014-03-30 02:18:51 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Expansion teams should go the other direction; I'm thinking Havana and Mexico City.

/yes I know there would be 'challenges'


Challenges? Hell, put them in the NL West and East. Let's see a bunch of Mexican baseball fans descend on Arizona for three days ten times a year, and Cubans to Miami. The political fallout would be EPIC.
 
2014-03-30 02:57:02 PM  

nmrsnr: Montreal Astros has a certain ring to it.


Even at there worst the Astros drew larger crowds than most years the expos did, it was always the team Atlanta fans could mock since they drew less than half what Atlanta would draw.
 
2014-03-30 03:06:04 PM  

neon_god: they need a stadium. there's no overstating how much of a pit the big O is. Preferably downtown, and the city's broke so the owner would have to pay for it. But, if you could build it the fans would be there. The Expos drew huge crowds before the combination Loria's douchbaggery and a crumbling stadium drove them away.


Yeah that's not true, even in the early 90s and late 80s they were drawing 15k or worse, they are not a baseball town outside of about 25k most of whom only show up when they're winning.

Besides their stadium was a shiathole 15 year ago, it has hasn't gotten better in that time.
 
2014-03-30 03:39:51 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Expansion teams should go the other direction; I'm thinking Havana and Mexico City.

/yes I know there would be 'challenges'


Unless the Cuban population of Miami (or the Mafia) decides to take Cuba back from the Castros, Havana ain't happening.

/Godfather 2 was on the other night
 
2014-03-30 03:52:37 PM  

steamingpile: neon_god: they need a stadium. there's no overstating how much of a pit the big O is. Preferably downtown, and the city's broke so the owner would have to pay for it. But, if you could build it the fans would be there. The Expos drew huge crowds before the combination Loria's douchbaggery and a crumbling stadium drove them away.

Yeah that's not true, even in the early 90s and late 80s they were drawing 15k or worse, they are not a baseball town outside of about 25k most of whom only show up when they're winning.

Besides their stadium was a shiathole 15 year ago, it has hasn't gotten better in that time.


they failed to draw 15k twice from 1977 through 1997. they were between 18 and 22 in the early 90s, and passed 28k a few times in the early 80s when they had a good young team. They were below the NL average most years, but not by a ton, and were way above it in the early 80s when the team was good. That was in an awful stadium that's a pain to get to.
 
2014-03-30 04:21:59 PM  

neon_god: steamingpile: neon_god: they need a stadium. there's no overstating how much of a pit the big O is. Preferably downtown, and the city's broke so the owner would have to pay for it. But, if you could build it the fans would be there. The Expos drew huge crowds before the combination Loria's douchbaggery and a crumbling stadium drove them away.

Yeah that's not true, even in the early 90s and late 80s they were drawing 15k or worse, they are not a baseball town outside of about 25k most of whom only show up when they're winning.

Besides their stadium was a shiathole 15 year ago, it has hasn't gotten better in that time.

they failed to draw 15k twice from 1977 through 1997. they were between 18 and 22 in the early 90s, and passed 28k a few times in the early 80s when they had a good young team. They were below the NL average most years, but not by a ton, and were way above it in the early 80s when the team was good. That was in an awful stadium that's a pain to get to.


That was announced attendance too, just like at Fulton county in the 80s when they would announce official attendance as 25k. To which the play by play guy would say "guess most of those fans came disguised as empty seats".

If they had 20k there then I'm Bill Gates*, Montreal is not a MLB hotbed.

*hint, I'm not.
 
2014-03-30 04:30:28 PM  

neon_god: steamingpile: neon_god: they need a stadium. there's no overstating how much of a pit the big O is. Preferably downtown, and the city's broke so the owner would have to pay for it. But, if you could build it the fans would be there. The Expos drew huge crowds before the combination Loria's douchbaggery and a crumbling stadium drove them away.

Yeah that's not true, even in the early 90s and late 80s they were drawing 15k or worse, they are not a baseball town outside of about 25k most of whom only show up when they're winning.

Besides their stadium was a shiathole 15 year ago, it has hasn't gotten better in that time.

they failed to draw 15k twice from 1977 through 1997. they were between 18 and 22 in the early 90s, and passed 28k a few times in the early 80s when they had a good young team. They were below the NL average most years, but not by a ton, and were way above it in the early 80s when the team was good. That was in an awful stadium that's a pain to get to.



Curious why you'd say that (the pain to get to part, that is)?  I visited Montreal (after the Expos were gone) and found it easy to get to.  Montreal's public transportation system is rather good.
 
2014-03-30 04:35:55 PM  
I wish MLB would get over themselves and realize they need to expand.
 
2014-03-30 04:57:21 PM  
steamingpile:If they had 20k there then I'm Bill Gates*, Montreal is not a MLB hotbed.

It isn't the biggest drawing city (although it was 2nd in the NL a couple times in the early 80s), but it drew well. Other than 1991, when a bunch of home games got cancelled, they were never last in the NL from 1977 when they moved in to 1998 when the franchise went to shiat. When they were good, they could be near the top, when they were bad they were low but not last. Kind of like most franchises.

downstairsCurious why you'd say that (the pain to get to part, that is)?  I visited Montreal (after the Expos were gone) and found it easy to get to.  Montreal's public transportation system is rather good.

The Metro's pretty good, and the bus system isn't bad from what I remember. The problem is that the stadium was far from downtown, awful to drive to if that's what you wanted to do, and really far from the western suburbs where the anglophone community who are the biggest baseball fans were concentrated. Some of that can only partly be addressed by a new stadium, since Montreal's really spread out and a traffic mess
 
2014-03-30 05:14:05 PM  

Kouvre: I wish MLB would get over themselves and realize they need to expand.


I'm fine with this, but it dilutes the pitching talent even further.
 
2014-03-30 06:07:41 PM  

neon_god: steamingpile:If they had 20k there then I'm Bill Gates*, Montreal is not a MLB hotbed.

It isn't the biggest drawing city (although it was 2nd in the NL a couple times in the early 80s), but it drew well. Other than 1991, when a bunch of home games got cancelled, they were never last in the NL from 1977 when they moved in to 1998 when the franchise went to shiat. When they were good, they could be near the top, when they were bad they were low but not last. Kind of like most franchises.

downstairsCurious why you'd say that (the pain to get to part, that is)?  I visited Montreal (after the Expos were gone) and found it easy to get to.  Montreal's public transportation system is rather good.

The Metro's pretty good, and the bus system isn't bad from what I remember. The problem is that the stadium was far from downtown, awful to drive to if that's what you wanted to do, and really far from the western suburbs where the anglophone community who are the biggest baseball fans were concentrated. Some of that can only partly be addressed by a new stadium, since Montreal's really spread out and a traffic mess


I'm sorry but they drew shiat unless they were on top, hell when the braves were winning they drew more in the 6 years at Fulton county alone, that's not counting 4 years at Turner.

And in the late 80s on most tickets were purchased by corporations as entertainment expense who rarely attended games. Don't act like none of us noticed how empty that place was most of the time.

And I don't want to hear about a stadium being hard to get too, Atlanta's is not close to a rail stop, it has a interstate running between the closest stop and the city doesn't even drop people off at the stadium. Then they tried to stop the shuttle because the braves dared to go against Marta on a stop they wanted on their property.
 
2014-03-30 06:17:54 PM  

steamingpile: neon_god: steamingpile:If they had 20k there then I'm Bill Gates*, Montreal is not a MLB hotbed.

It isn't the biggest drawing city (although it was 2nd in the NL a couple times in the early 80s), but it drew well. Other than 1991, when a bunch of home games got cancelled, they were never last in the NL from 1977 when they moved in to 1998 when the franchise went to shiat. When they were good, they could be near the top, when they were bad they were low but not last. Kind of like most franchises.

downstairsCurious why you'd say that (the pain to get to part, that is)?  I visited Montreal (after the Expos were gone) and found it easy to get to.  Montreal's public transportation system is rather good.

The Metro's pretty good, and the bus system isn't bad from what I remember. The problem is that the stadium was far from downtown, awful to drive to if that's what you wanted to do, and really far from the western suburbs where the anglophone community who are the biggest baseball fans were concentrated. Some of that can only partly be addressed by a new stadium, since Montreal's really spread out and a traffic mess

I'm sorry but they drew shiat unless they were on top, hell when the braves were winning they drew more in the 6 years at Fulton county alone, that's not counting 4 years at Turner.

And in the late 80s on most tickets were purchased by corporations as entertainment expense who rarely attended games. Don't act like none of us noticed how empty that place was most of the time.

And I don't want to hear about a stadium being hard to get too, Atlanta's is not close to a rail stop, it has a interstate running between the closest stop and the city doesn't even drop people off at the stadium. Then they tried to stop the shuttle because the braves dared to go against Marta on a stop they wanted on their property.


You're weirdly angry about this. Whatever excuses you want to come up with, the Expos sold a decent number of tickets, and sold a ton on the rare occasions they were good. Then the franchise was driven into the ground. Given a new stadium, which I mentioned in the the first sentence of my Boobies, and competent ownership, there's every reason to believe they would draw ok, and better than some of the low-attendance teams in the league now. Also, I could really give a fark about the Braves, don't know why you keep bringing them up.
 
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