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2014-03-30 05:02:01 AM
uh-oh spaghetti-o
 
2014-03-30 05:09:33 AM
Irregularities reported as early as 9:30 this morning, when BDP and AKP officials in Urfa (far to the East) have insisted that members of the press be allowed to film and report on people entering and exiting polls. The exclusion of the media is almost as worrisome as AKP and BDP mebers agreeing on anything.
 
2014-03-30 05:15:35 AM
http://haberulkesi.com/akpye-evet-muhurlu-1-kamyon-dolusu-oy-pusulasi - yakalandi/#.Uzczngvr7Xp.facebook

This link allegedly shows a truck delivering ballots in Izmir, all of which had been mechanically stamped "yes" to the AKP.  There were reports of ballot stamps having been stolen in the past weeks, and I would not be surprised if some kind of machine had been built which uses each year's ballot stamps.

One of my friends (a longtime Turkish Kommunist Party voter for some reason) was denied entry to the polls shortly after 8am, as she "had already voted today."  I wonder who "she" had voted for?  When the same thing happened to her last election, judges (appointed by the ruling party) told her that there was nothing they could do and that she should just go home.
 
2014-03-30 05:44:14 AM

Agarista: http://haberulkesi.com/akpye-evet-muhurlu-1-kamyon-dolusu-oy-pusulasi - yakalandi/#.Uzczngvr7Xp.facebook

This link allegedly shows a truck delivering ballots in Izmir, all of which had been mechanically stamped "yes" to the AKP.  There were reports of ballot stamps having been stolen in the past weeks, and I would not be surprised if some kind of machine had been built which uses each year's ballot stamps.

One of my friends (a longtime Turkish Kommunist Party voter for some reason) was denied entry to the polls shortly after 8am, as she "had already voted today."  I wonder who "she" had voted for?  When the same thing happened to her last election, judges (appointed by the ruling party) told her that there was nothing they could do and that she should just go home.


I guess they dont do the purple finger thing....?
 
2014-03-30 07:46:30 AM
no.
Rumors are going around of erasable ink, and apparantly 9 people have been shot outiside of a polling place near Urfa.
 
2014-03-30 10:00:04 AM
haber.sol.org.tr

This picture shows some of the poorly-stamped ballots (for the AKP, of course) in the garbage in a part of Istanbul to the north.
 
2014-03-30 12:23:17 PM
Hundreds of reports of people not being allowed to sign their names with their own pens.
 
2014-03-30 12:30:39 PM
Oh no the election is not of fairness.

LAUGHTER OL some people believe the elections in the United States of the Americas are also the fairness.

Turkey probably has the more fairness of this so I do not have outrage or even the tear. Seems like the fairness of the elections to me.
 
2014-03-30 12:51:59 PM

meow said the dog: Oh no the election is not of fairness.

LAUGHTER OL some people believe the elections in the United States of the Americas are also the fairness.


Well, not in Wisconsin, obviously.
 
2014-03-30 12:52:54 PM
shiat, I've got friends who are currently travelling in Turkey. (Why, I have no idea, mind...). I think they were visiting some of the ruins.
 
2014-03-30 12:54:53 PM

Felgraf: shiat, I've got friends who are currently travelling in Turkey. (Why, I have no idea, mind...). I think they were visiting some of the ruins.


They're safe.  Turkey is huge.
 
2014-03-30 01:00:04 PM

Agarista: Felgraf: shiat, I've got friends who are currently travelling in Turkey. (Why, I have no idea, mind...). I think they were visiting some of the ruins.

They're safe.  Turkey is huge.


Hoaky, I was just worried this was going to spark some serious unrest.

Good luck to you and those that stand with you, by the way, I've been following your posts in various threads about this.
 
2014-03-30 01:00:57 PM
But it says justice right in their name. Why would they lie?
 
2014-03-30 01:04:22 PM

meow said the dog: Oh no the election is not of fairness.

LAUGHTER OL some people believe the elections in the United States of the Americas are also the fairness.

Turkey probably has the more fairness of this so I do not have outrage or even the tear. Seems like the fairness of the elections to me.


You're not funny, you're not interesting.  Will you just fark off already you annoying assed troll account.
 
2014-03-30 01:07:58 PM

Satanic_Hamster: You're not funny, you're not interesting.  Will you just fark off already you annoying assed troll account.


LAUGHTER OL. Do you have the thing of which to add to the story of this or would you prefer for just making the person attacks to me?
 
2014-03-30 01:10:44 PM

meow said the dog: Oh no the election is not of fairness.

LAUGHTER OL some people believe the elections in the United States of the Americas are also the fairness.

Turkey probably has the more fairness of this so I do not have outrage or even the tear. Seems like the fairness of the elections to me.


Still butthurt about 2012, huh? Bless your heart.
 
2014-03-30 01:16:39 PM

OneTimed: meow said the dog: Oh no the election is not of fairness.

LAUGHTER OL some people believe the elections in the United States of the Americas are also the fairness.

Turkey probably has the more fairness of this so I do not have outrage or even the tear. Seems like the fairness of the elections to me.

Still butthurt about 2012, huh? Bless your heart.


2000 actually but nice try you partisan person who does the sexing with others who have dumbness.
 
2014-03-30 01:20:17 PM

meow said the dog: OneTimed: meow said the dog: Oh no the election is not of fairness.

LAUGHTER OL some people believe the elections in the United States of the Americas are also the fairness.

Turkey probably has the more fairness of this so I do not have outrage or even the tear. Seems like the fairness of the elections to me.

Still butthurt about 2012, huh? Bless your heart.

2000 actually but nice try you partisan person who does the sexing with others who have dumbness.


I guess English isn't your first language, it's a bit hard to tell what you meant.

/P.S. your blog sucks
 
2014-03-30 01:21:51 PM
They should buy Diebold machines, totally foolproof and accurate.
 
2014-03-30 01:23:29 PM

OneTimed: /P.S. your blog sucks


Oh thank you for the kindness of the words of this I have very much appreciation as do the individuals of the Turkish government upon which I have the contractual obligation to say to you that there was not the cheating or the scandal and would have appreciation if you did not make the accusations of this. Thank you and I also have the loveness for you. Perhaps we can have the threesome with Satanic Hambone!
 
2014-03-30 01:28:30 PM

Felgraf: Agarista: Felgraf: shiat, I've got friends who are currently travelling in Turkey. (Why, I have no idea, mind...). I think they were visiting some of the ruins.

They're safe.  Turkey is huge.

Hoaky, I was just worried this was going to spark some serious unrest.

Good luck to you and those that stand with you, by the way, I've been following your posts in various threads about this.


Generally everyone agrees to leave the tourists alone... generally.

/Plus a lot of countries take the "visitor in my home" thing pretty seriously still, Turkey has always struck me as such.
//I have a souvenir from Japan after accidently commenting on it.
 
2014-03-30 01:34:35 PM

OneTimed: I guess English isn't your first language, it's a bit hard to tell what you meant.

/P.S. your blog sucks


No, it's a damn troll account.  Usually sticks to main tab.
 
2014-03-30 01:34:49 PM
 
2014-03-30 01:46:59 PM
 
2014-03-30 01:48:51 PM
I can see the water cannons outside my window here in IStanbul.  The results haven't even been announced yet...
 
2014-03-30 02:22:59 PM
Cihan, Taraf, Zaman (opposition news) websites all still down. Cyber attacks about an hour ago. There is a very strong feeling amongst many people that something very fishy going on . There is apparently a 10 point difference in reports of results between Erdogan's press and the opposition. How will anyone trust the final result. Recipe for violence and increased tension.
 
2014-03-30 04:04:41 PM

Agarista: Cihan, Taraf, Zaman (opposition news) websites all still down. Cyber attacks about an hour ago. There is a very strong feeling amongst many people that something very fishy going on . There is apparently a 10 point difference in reports of results between Erdogan's press and the opposition. How will anyone trust the final result. Recipe for violence and increased tension.


That, combined with their shutting down YouTube and Twitter after a series of corruption leaks, does not bode well for Turkey's democratic health. They were literally considering a false flag attack on their people to start a war with Syria.

We need to boot them the fark out of NATO, asap. They might drag us into a conflict at this rate.

img.fark.net
/article 5 of NATO
//It provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members 
///panic and junk, I guess
 
2014-03-30 05:31:16 PM
CHP was ahead in Istanbul and Ankara.  Then there were rolling blackouts.  Now the AKP is ahead in both cities.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/fraud-allegations-in-local-election s. aspx?pageID=517&nID=64315&NewsCatID=338
 
2014-03-30 06:17:09 PM
Jimmy Carter certified the election I was told.
 
2014-03-30 10:55:54 PM
And Turkey thought that they'd join the EU...
 
2014-03-30 11:50:32 PM
See, Stalin was wrong.

Doesn't matter who counts the votes either; just who announces the results.

//oh and the polls before the election too, so that people are primed to expect the 'correct' outcome
 
2014-03-31 02:29:57 AM
welp. Erdogan just announced that Syria is at war with Turkey.

Melih Gokcek (the batshiat insane mayor of Ankara) started to fear he had lost the election, so the power was cut to most of the city and the riot police were called out.

One polling station in Ankara at least has apparently miraculously registered 3 times as many AKP votes as there are registered voters.

For some districts they are claiming that 101% of the vote has been counted. It seems the AKP has also won New York and Chicago.
 
2014-03-31 02:32:59 AM
So early tonight Erdogan declared victory. It now appears that the CHP almost certainly won Ankara, and quite possibly won Istanbul. Lots of votes appear to have been uncounted. Large crowds are now starting to come out on to the streets to guard counting centers. There are reports of gangs of AKP thugs with guns in Ankara trying to remove concerned citizens.
 
2014-03-31 02:37:13 AM

Agarista: Melih Gokcek (the batshiat insane mayor of Ankara) started to fear he had lost the election, so the power was cut to most of the city and the riot police were called out.


That is some serious balls.  Although, I got to say, if I were in similar power, I'd be an epic degenerate asshole.

Wouldnt most?  Which is why we should be more careful in who we let have power.

Good luck w/that Turkey


/btw....Ive got to ask.  Have you been here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
 
2014-03-31 02:49:34 AM
I am an archaeologist. I gave a tour of that site two months ago. :)

huge numbers of uncounted votes in Kadikoy a CHP stronghold. (rumors is that people hoped that people would leave but they are being guarded around the clock. This election is becoming insane. I suspect that if all the votes are counted (and only real votes are counted) CHP would actually win Istanbul as well as Ankara.
https://twitter.com/rosgb/status/450432458983747585/photo/1/large

What's going on in Yenimahalle? Are these guys here to protect or steal the vote? (this is strong CHP area)
pbs.twimg.com


From the Prime Minister's speech: "We have a democracy the West aspires to"
 
2014-03-31 03:01:34 AM
"The high amounts of fraud, all the events in Ankara and Istanbul show only one thing; AKP did not win Istanbul or Ankara. However they are trying to do all they can to change the final ballots (boxes) in order to change the results. There are still hundreds of ballot (boxes)s that haven't been touched! This is scandalous. Voting has stopped over 13 hours ago, however votes are literally stuck! After deputy prime minister Emrullah Isler went to a voting center in Çankaya, Ankara, 12 ballot boxes were opened; amongst them there were 0 votes for CHP or MHP. Does it even sound believable? For those who know Ankara, such a result in Çankaya is impossible as it is the district that has the highest CHP votes in the capital. Meanwhile votes in Üsküdar are being counted over and over again due to objections, votes in Kadiköy, Besiktas and Sisli are still being counted... All of these districts,apart from Üsküdar, have a high rate of CHP votes. Coincidence? This is scandalous."     -Riot News Turkey


"Turkey; the country that spends 5 hours to count 97% of the votes, and close to 8 hours to count the remaining 3%... how can they cheat so openly?"  -Riot News Turkey
 
2014-03-31 03:45:22 AM
That whooshing sound you hear is  Atatürk spinning in his grave.
It's beyond obvious Erdogen stole the elections. Agarista,what are the chances of 'Arab Spring*' style mayhem ?

/*yes, i know turks are not arab
 
2014-03-31 04:13:36 AM
Gezi was our big moment.  So many people are just demoralized, they have given up because all that effort last year brough about nothing.

It only seems ot get worse.

"I've been reporting on Turkish elections since [democracy was restored in] 1983: this is the first time I've ever seen this chaos, these dirty tricks and this irresponsible partisan behaviour." - Journalist Marc Guillet

Yesterday was a fun election. Cyber and physical attacks on opposition media. 1,200 official complaints of voter fraud, a large number alleging that pre-printed AKP ballots were being brought into polling stations in swing areas. To top it off, armed men threatened polling agents at gunpoint in opposition areas of Ankara (Yenimahalle and Çankaya) in order to keep their votes from being counted.

"Even before results were announced, a triumphant Erdogan spoke to cheering supporters from the balcony of the headquarters of his ruling Justice and Development Party, calling the vote a victory for democracy in Turkey. Erdogan said he delivered an "Ottoman slap" to opponents at the polls. He compared his opponents to medieval assassins, and he vowed to pursue them." - CNN News

"We are going to go into their dens, and they are going to pay the price." - Prime Minister Erdoğan on opposition factions last night.
 
2014-03-31 05:13:49 AM
How to steal an election in three steps (not saying that this is what happened in Turkey last night - but who knows...)

(1) Have State News agency lie about returns and stop reporting of votes from opposition districts early in the night so that by bedtime, the prime minister looks to be ahead and. . .

(2) Have Prime Minister to give a victory speech at bed time and have most tv stations stop their election coverage (and a bunch of foreign journalists just swallow your narrative) so you can. . .

(3) Have power cuts, destroy votes, find mysterious boxes of your own votes is the dead of night when many have gone to bed in depression.
 
2014-03-31 06:08:11 AM
Actually, all you need to steal elections is just to have enough people who would follow your orders. Afterwards the only way to change anything is for people to start an actual revolution, with dead bodies and shiat.

And after such revolutions it's not unusual for radicals to come to power and for situation to be worse rather than to be better.

Also, most people would rather live with stolen elections than die for freedom. Can't say I blame them.
 
2014-03-31 06:22:05 AM
a VERY interesting conspiracy theory:

1. The government adjusted the country's national DNS settings in the wake of widespread circumvention of the (illegal) ban on Twitter.

2. This means we no longer know by default how the data from one Turkish computer is being routed to another.

3. And now, there are huge discrepancies between the data collected from the Higher Electoral Board and on the ground vote counters.

Coincidence?

I think we may have just been played at a national level...let me explain...

The Twitter ban was just for show. It was known that everyone would change their DNS settings to circumvent the ban. In fact, it was practically encouraged, if you consider the President's own tweet...

So when Google's well-known 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 workarounds were used, no one was surprised the government moved to reroute the information packages as well. Many of us were even led to think "what idiots, first they block Twitter, but then it takes them 2 days to realize there are DNS workarounds."

But the real goal was the elections.

If they had directly rerouted DNS traffic it would have been noticed and raised suspicions.

But no one was really surprised when they changed the DNS settings in the wake of mass national circumvention of an - illegal - piece of legislation.

At this point, the ONLY way we can know the true outcomes of Turkey's local elections will be to monitor the ballot boxes directly, and by following websites that independently collate ballot box results, like

">http://sts.chp.org.tr/ . Unfortunately at this stage no other source of news is reliable!

Please share this information. Share, tweet, whatever, but get the information out!

They are trying to construct a false national perception.

That is why Erdogan spoke so early last night. That is what Ankara's opposition candidate Mansur Yavas realized and tried to stop by declaring his early victory. To get ahead of the government spin machine. To act, rather than react.

Dictatorships are built on perception.

We either stand together and prevent this now.

Or we watch as a band of thieves continues to plunder our home.
 
2014-03-31 07:32:40 AM
getting better and better:

Ardahan province lost to the AKP by 61 votes.

Kastamonu province by 100 votes

Yalova province by one vote.

11 provinces have yet to even finish counting (of course Ankara and Istanbul are included in these)
 
2014-03-31 09:50:22 AM
 
2014-03-31 09:51:35 AM

Moosecakes: It's sad that most American news networks make absolutely no mention of corruption or fraud in this election:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/world/europe/not-on-ballot-turkeys -p remier-still-gets-push-from-party-in-local-elections.html?_r=0

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkey-holding-critica l- local-elections-23116863


IT's not just the US.  Must be a NATO thing...
 
2014-03-31 09:54:54 AM
In Ankara there still seems to be over 250 unopened boxes of votes in Cankaya - which is strongly CHP.

It is 24 hours after the polls closed yesterday, and the ballot-counting has effectively been stopped.
 
2014-03-31 10:21:10 AM

Agarista: How to steal an election in three steps (not saying that this is what happened in Turkey last night - but who knows...)

(1) Have State News agency lie about returns and stop reporting of votes from opposition districts early in the night so that by bedtime, the prime minister looks to be ahead and. . .

(2) Have Prime Minister to give a victory speech at bed time and have most tv stations stop their election coverage (and a bunch of foreign journalists just swallow your narrative) so you can. . .

(3) Have power cuts, destroy votes, find mysterious boxes of your own votes is the dead of night when many have gone to bed in depression.


You missed (0) - Neuter the military leadership to assure you won't be booted out for violating the country's "secular government" rule.
 
2014-03-31 10:25:00 AM

DRFS Rich: Agarista: How to steal an election in three steps (not saying that this is what happened in Turkey last night - but who knows...)

(1) Have State News agency lie about returns and stop reporting of votes from opposition districts early in the night so that by bedtime, the prime minister looks to be ahead and. . .

(2) Have Prime Minister to give a victory speech at bed time and have most tv stations stop their election coverage (and a bunch of foreign journalists just swallow your narrative) so you can. . .

(3) Have power cuts, destroy votes, find mysterious boxes of your own votes is the dead of night when many have gone to bed in depression.

You missed (0) - Neuter the military leadership to assure you won't be booted out for violating the country's "secular government" rule.


Unfortunately, that's old news.  :(
 
2014-03-31 10:39:32 AM
Two districts in Mugla province demanded a recount, and, as a result of the YSK counts, the districts that had been given to the AKP were rightfully changed to CHP.
 
2014-03-31 12:13:15 PM

Moosecakes: It's sad that most American news networks make absolutely no mention of corruption or fraud in this election...


Well, when a government behaves this badly, journalists and news outlets are usually faced with a delicate situation if they wish to continue to report from within the country. I noticed that even Al Jazeera, normally providing the most accurate reportage in this region, has been running stories with lukewarm headlines and equivocal writing. I guess they don't like getting clapped in jail or tossed out.
 
2014-03-31 12:55:24 PM
Some quotes about what happened last night in Ankara  (seriously, the MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR INTERFERED?!?!?)

"With only around 5% of votes left to count in Yenimahalle and around 25% left to count in Çankaya, suddenly all the data stopped coming...No more results came in for three hours. Both these districts are strong CHP districts, and Yavaş was only 1,500 votes behind Melih Gökçek. . . The counting in Yenimahalle stopped during this time. Interior Minister Efkan Ala arrived with riot police and still no results came through.. . Suddenly, almost all the voting data from the two areas was loaded into the system at once, and Gökçek's 1,500 vote lead changed to 20,000."

Also: "CHP Ankara say 425,000 votes counted in Çankaya. Only 386,000 entered into the YSK stats. 39,000 missing votes to find. 1. We've just put the phone down. Appeals & fraud reports gained 13,000 more Yavaş votes. But much bigger fraud remains. . .. Many of the ballot boxes from Çankaya come up as having zero votes for Mansur Yavaş. We're getting the documents."
 
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