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(Bay News 9)   Passengers upset after cruise ship changes itinerary because they had to pick up 41 Cubans floating in the sea   (baynews9.com) divider line 174
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2014-03-30 03:28:38 AM
Carnival Cruise Lines shouldn't even be in business anymore, because compensating the passengers should just be considered as part of the cost of doing business.

I don't know whether it's an international law, or one of the protocols of basic human decency, but sipping cocktails while watching families die a horrible death at sea because you need to make it to Wally World on time is unacceptable.

When is this Cuban embargo bullshiat going to end?
 
2014-03-30 05:26:33 AM
"It was a multitude of things," Bailey said. "The kids weren't happy. They didn't have any fun and then they didn't get to do what they had planned on doing. So it was a terrible experience."

"As a parent, I could have taken this as an opportunity to teach my kids about minimal sacrifice and how to adjust their expectations to adapt to the greater needs of others, but fark it - I was momentarily unhappy while lives were being saved and I want financial compensation."
 
2014-03-30 05:47:50 AM

vartian: "It was a multitude of things," Bailey said. "The kids weren't happy. They didn't have any fun and then they didn't get to do what they had planned on doing. So it was a terrible experience."

"As a parent, I could have taken this as an opportunity to teach my kids about minimal sacrifice and how to adjust their expectations to adapt to the greater needs of others, but fark it - I was momentarily unhappy while lives were being saved and I want financial compensation."


I have to wonder how much of the displeasure resulted from whom it was that was saved.  Would there be just as much outcry if it had been a disabled yacht?
 
2014-03-30 07:41:46 AM
Well how were they sure they weren't Cuban pirates?
 
2014-03-30 08:16:58 AM
"We had booked a western Caribbean because we wanted to go to Mexico, so we were excited about that and we had a really interesting excursion that we had talked up with the kids," Kevin Bailey said.
But that excitement quickly took a turn off course. The ship went on a rescue mission, which brought 41 Cubans onboard the Carnival Ecstasy.
"The atmosphere on board, everyone was happy. They were clapping. They were excited that we were going to be a part of possibly something great," Bailey said.
What Kevin Bailey and the rest of the people on board didn't know was that the Cubans were soggy and falling apart, with the mustard mostly washed away, and infused through with salt water, rather than just a hint from the pickles.
"It was a multitude of things," Bailey said. "The ham was wet. It wasn't even toasted and then to top it off, my beer was flat.  So it was a terrible experience."
 
2014-03-30 08:42:33 AM
"The ship's itinerary did have to be modified based on the amount of time it took for the rescue...When it comes to assisting individuals stranded at sea, conducting rescue operations and potentially saving lives takes precedence over maintaining a scheduled itinerary."-Carnival Cruise Lines

Good for them.
 
2014-03-30 08:44:35 AM
What a bunch of whiny selfish arseholes.
 
2014-03-30 08:50:06 AM
You'd think they could use this experience as an opportunity to gain some perspective on life.

Well I guess not these people.
 
2014-03-30 09:34:58 AM
So, instead of going to Mexico, you went to the Bahamas? And your kids got to see 42 people's lives saved? What the hell is wrong with yo... Lakeland families...oh. Ok, that makes sense. Lakeland Florida is home to the worst people on the planet.
 
2014-03-30 09:38:12 AM

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2014-03-30 10:00:23 AM
Typical illegals, always getting free trips on cruise ships that normal white people have to pay for!

THANKS OBAMA!
 
2014-03-30 10:47:55 AM
Officials from Carnival Cruise Lines said since they substituted the people on board with the Bahamian destination, there will be no additional compensation for passengers.


Of course there will be.

Cost for Bahamas trip subtracted from cost of Cozumel trip equals refund of difference.
 
2014-03-30 10:48:45 AM

TommyymmoT: Carnival Cruise Lines shouldn't even be in business anymore, because compensating the passengers should just be considered as part of the cost of doing business.

I don't know whether it's an international law, or one of the protocols of basic human decency, but sipping cocktails while watching families die a horrible death at sea because you need to make it to Wally World on time is unacceptable.

When is this Cuban embargo bullshiat going to end?


Getting away from the wet foot / dry foot policy might also help...  Though, I agree with you about ending the embargo.
 
2014-03-30 10:51:31 AM
I'd suggest throwing those two Lakeland families in a life boat and let them float around for a few days before they inconvenience another cruise ship, begging to be rescued.
 
2014-03-30 10:51:40 AM
Just put them to work in the kitchen so the cooking staff with Norwalk virus dripping out their orifices can take a break.
 
2014-03-30 10:52:31 AM
Previously on the airplane of this were the 43 Cubans but two fell out of the shipping vessel. They did not wish for the futherance of the problem. But perhaps this was murder!
 
2014-03-30 10:52:40 AM
So the illegal immigrants are going to be deported right?
 
2014-03-30 10:53:35 AM

TommyymmoT: Carnival Cruise Lines shouldn't even be in business anymore, because compensating the passengers should just be considered as part of the cost of doing business.

I don't know whether it's an international law, or one of the protocols of basic human decency, but sipping cocktails while watching families die a horrible death at sea because you need to make it to Wally World on time is unacceptable.

When is this Cuban embargo bullshiat going to end?


It is federal and state law that all vessels must come to the aid of any other vessel in distress.  Which is why when I'm boating around and I see some idiot stuck on a sand bar I look the other way.
 
2014-03-30 10:54:02 AM

Frederick: vartian: "It was a multitude of things," Bailey said. "The kids weren't happy. They didn't have any fun and then they didn't get to do what they had planned on doing. So it was a terrible experience."

"As a parent, I could have taken this as an opportunity to teach my kids about minimal sacrifice and how to adjust their expectations to adapt to the greater needs of others, but fark it - I was momentarily unhappy while lives were being saved and I want financial compensation."

I have to wonder how much of the displeasure resulted from whom it was that was saved.  Would there be just as much outcry if it had been a disabled yacht?


Man, how I envy you.  You'll be able to tell your kids that you held the rank of Major Asshole, during the Class Wars.
 
2014-03-30 10:54:34 AM

ZzeusS: Officials from Carnival Cruise Lines said since they substituted the people on board with the Bahamian destination, there will be no additional compensation for passengers.


Of course there will be.

Cost for Bahamas trip subtracted from cost of Cozumel trip equals refund of difference.


That seems a bit more fair.
If I ordered a Ferrari, and the dealership told me "sorry, the truck delivering your Ferrari crashed and the car was destroyed, but here's a Chevrolet instead", I would be none too happy.

But it seems to me that Carnival is missing a money-making opportunity.  Sell "Cruise Insurance" for say 1% of the value of the trip that pays in the event that the cruise is materially altered.  Assuming it happens in less than 1 in 100 cruises, this would be a profitable venture.  And the people who didn't buy the optional insurance are S.O.L.
 
2014-03-30 10:54:37 AM

Warlordtrooper: So the illegal immigrants are going to be deported right?


Wet foot / dry foot policy. They're going back.
 
2014-03-30 10:56:22 AM

Confabulat: Warlordtrooper: So the illegal immigrants are going to be deported right?

Wet foot / dry foot policy. They're going back.


So why is it legal for a cuban to come here illegally (assuming he gets here to land) but illegal for a mexican to do it.
 
2014-03-30 10:56:28 AM
"41 Cubans floating in the sea"?
Why bother retrieving them?  They'd be waterlogged with seawater and totally unsmokable.
 
2014-03-30 10:56:59 AM
My point is that all illegal immigrants from cuba should be deported.  If were going to get tough on illegal immigration.
 
2014-03-30 10:57:09 AM

Warlordtrooper: Confabulat: Warlordtrooper: So the illegal immigrants are going to be deported right?

Wet foot / dry foot policy. They're going back.

So why is it legal for a cuban to come here illegally (assuming he gets here to land) but illegal for a mexican to do it.


We made an agreement with Cuba, essentially.
 
2014-03-30 10:57:10 AM

ZzeusS: Officials from Carnival Cruise Lines said since they substituted the people on board with the Bahamian destination, there will be no additional compensation for passengers.


Of course there will be.

Cost for Bahamas trip subtracted from cost of Cozumel trip equals refund of difference.


The cost is primarily the length of the trip. They spent just as much time at sea, sleeping, eating, enjoying the entertainment, etc.

Also...the Bahamas aren't kid friendly? So they've never heard of Atlantis? Dafuq?
 
2014-03-30 10:57:57 AM

Warlordtrooper: My point is that all illegal immigrants from cuba should be deported.  If were going to get tough on illegal immigration.


You sound pretty unaware of the subtleties of America's dealings with Cuba over the past half-century or so.
 
2014-03-30 10:58:17 AM

TommyymmoT: When is this Cuban embargo bullshiat going to end?


If you want to be president, you need to win Florida, to win Florida you need the Cuban Vote, to get the Cuban Vote you need to "be tough on Castro."  So, never.
 
2014-03-30 10:58:58 AM

GoldDude: ZzeusS: Officials from Carnival Cruise Lines said since they substituted the people on board with the Bahamian destination, there will be no additional compensation for passengers.


Of course there will be.

Cost for Bahamas trip subtracted from cost of Cozumel trip equals refund of difference.

That seems a bit more fair.
If I ordered a Ferrari, and the dealership told me "sorry, the truck delivering your Ferrari crashed and the car was destroyed, but here's a Chevrolet instead", I would be none too happy.

But it seems to me that Carnival is missing a money-making opportunity.  Sell "Cruise Insurance" for say 1% of the value of the trip that pays in the event that the cruise is materially altered.  Assuming it happens in less than 1 in 100 cruises, this would be a profitable venture.  And the people who didn't buy the optional insurance are S.O.L.


They do. The travel insurance industry is insane.
 
2014-03-30 10:59:17 AM

ginandbacon: What a bunch of whiny selfish arseholes.


I too am selfish with my money.

Rescue the people and take me to the Bahamas?  OK, not what I wanted or PAID EXTRA for but certainly you'll refund the difference since you're taking me on a cheaper cruise.....or not.

How am I an arsehole to want what I paid for or an appropriate refund?  That seems....normal.  I have this attitude with everything I buy.

"I'm sorry, sir, we gave your steak and baked potato to a poorer person.  Bask in the glow of your generosity and enjoy this salad at no extra charge."
 
hej
2014-03-30 10:59:44 AM
Yet another way illegal immigrants are ruining this country.
 
2014-03-30 11:00:17 AM

RickN99: ginandbacon: What a bunch of whiny selfish arseholes.

I too am selfish with my money.

Rescue the people and take me to the Bahamas?  OK, not what I wanted or PAID EXTRA for but certainly you'll refund the difference since you're taking me on a cheaper cruise.....or not.

How am I an arsehole to want what I paid for or an appropriate refund?  That seems....normal.  I have this attitude with everything I buy.

"I'm sorry, sir, we gave your steak and baked potato to a poorer person.  Bask in the glow of your generosity and enjoy this salad at no extra charge."


Again, the extra cost is not generally the destination, it's the time on the ship.
 
2014-03-30 11:01:09 AM

ginandbacon: What a bunch of whiny selfish arseholes.


This.
 
2014-03-30 11:01:28 AM
Both families said the Bahamian destination wasn't kid friendly, and the trip they paid for to Mexico costs more than a trip to the Bahamas. So they said they lost money, their sense of security and their faith in the cruise line.

Could we toss these people over the side and give the rescued people their rooms?
 
2014-03-30 11:02:04 AM

Warlordtrooper: Confabulat: Warlordtrooper: So the illegal immigrants are going to be deported right?

Wet foot / dry foot policy. They're going back.

So why is it legal for a cuban to come here illegally (assuming he gets here to land) but illegal for a mexican to do it.


Because our immigration policy is a clusterf*ck of knee-jerk reactions that took place over many, many decades without much thought about how they would make sense in the bigger picture of our overall immigration policy.  That and many of them, much like other bullsh*t laws we have in this nation were passed by politicians that were more interested in pandering to the loudest, proudest, most vile people in their constituency so they could keep their job come election time than they were in doing what was good for the nation's future.
 
2014-03-30 11:02:32 AM
Those dolts on cruise ships never actually visit the countries they are going to anyway. All the cruise ship stops in the Caribbean pretty much all look the same and cater to the same people. Half of them never leave the ship. If they didn't actually tell anyone they were in the Bahamas instead of Cozumel, most of the passengers would have never noticed.
 
2014-03-30 11:02:53 AM
Oh god they had to go to the Bahamas instead?! I truly hope they can recover from the trauma they experienced. Carnival should have to pay for the PTSD therapy the children will inevitably suffer.
 
2014-03-30 11:02:56 AM

Warlordtrooper: Confabulat: Warlordtrooper: So the illegal immigrants are going to be deported right?

Wet foot / dry foot policy. They're going back.

So why is it legal for a cuban to come here illegally (assuming he gets here to land) but illegal for a mexican to do it.


Because Communism!
 
2014-03-30 11:04:12 AM
Oh you have to go to the Bahamas instead of Mexico? Let me get my tiny Violin.
 
2014-03-30 11:04:25 AM
First World problems.

http://whitewhine.com/
 
2014-03-30 11:04:53 AM
Sounds like they were fine with the rescue, but upset that the company decided not to take them where they were headed afterwards.

But, I agree it's more fun to rail on them as entitled twats.
 
2014-03-30 11:04:53 AM

GoldDude: But it seems to me that Carnival is missing a money-making opportunity. Sell "Cruise Insurance" for say 1% of the value of the trip that pays in the event that the cruise is materially altered. Assuming it happens in less than 1 in 100 cruises, this would be a profitable venture. And the people who didn't buy the optional insurance are S.O.L.


Dude, it's Carnival.
 
2014-03-30 11:06:29 AM
Why were the Cuban fleeing their Socialistic paradise, with its free and superior health care?  They must be insane!

/"They've just shot Mom and Dad, but hey, I've got free dental, so it's a wash."
 
2014-03-30 11:06:52 AM

Confabulat: Those dolts on cruise ships never actually visit the countries they are going to anyway. All the cruise ship stops in the Caribbean pretty much all look the same and cater to the same people. Half of them never leave the ship. If they didn't actually tell anyone they were in the Bahamas instead of Cozumel, most of the passengers would have never noticed.


The smart ones do. There are lots of options to get beyond the tourist traps in the port. But yeah, if all you do is go for a walk, you will see the same damn shops (owned by the cruise lines) in every port on the Caribbean circuit.

Take the longer cruises to the less frequented countries for a better experience. (We had a FANTASTIC experience in Belize, for instance).

Personally...I like staying on the ship. It's quiet. I go on cruises to get away. If I want to really visit a foreign country, I'll fly their on my own for a week.
 
2014-03-30 11:08:26 AM
If you ever get a chance to talk to a Cuban person about Castro, take it. It's more than just "because communism".
 
2014-03-30 11:08:33 AM

Odoriferous Queef: GoldDude: But it seems to me that Carnival is missing a money-making opportunity. Sell "Cruise Insurance" for say 1% of the value of the trip that pays in the event that the cruise is materially altered. Assuming it happens in less than 1 in 100 cruises, this would be a profitable venture. And the people who didn't buy the optional insurance are S.O.L.

Dude, it's Carnival.


It also happens frequently. Some ports still require you to be tendered in. Seas a little to rough? Wave at the country as we sail on by.
 
2014-03-30 11:09:45 AM

RickN99: ginandbacon: What a bunch of whiny selfish arseholes.

I too am selfish with my money.

Rescue the people and take me to the Bahamas?  OK, not what I wanted or PAID EXTRA for but certainly you'll refund the difference since you're taking me on a cheaper cruise.....or not.

How am I an arsehole to want what I paid for or an appropriate refund?  That seems....normal.  I have this attitude with everything I buy.

"I'm sorry, sir, we gave your steak and baked potato to a poorer person.  Bask in the glow of your generosity and enjoy this salad at no extra charge."


Ships have dates when they can dock at port and be serviced. They missed their dates by diverting to save human beings from drowning. Those people were certainly in need of medical care and turning back was the fastest way to get it for them. They company lost money too. So what?

Passengers on a cruise ship have to sign a contract that protects the ship from liability for things they have no control over.

That's why you buy travel insurance.

/used to work in academic travel
//got sick of whiners and arseholes
///most of our travelers were generally good sports about changes in plans
 
2014-03-30 11:12:04 AM

megarian: Oh god they had to go to the Bahamas instead?! I truly hope they can recover from the trauma they experienced. Carnival should have to pay for the PTSD therapy the children will inevitably suffer.


The Bahamas!! What? It's like Carnival is detaining them and telling them they aren't free to leave. All they had to do was ask then BAM--Cozumel.
 
2014-03-30 11:12:44 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Confabulat: Those dolts on cruise ships never actually visit the countries they are going to anyway. All the cruise ship stops in the Caribbean pretty much all look the same and cater to the same people. Half of them never leave the ship. If they didn't actually tell anyone they were in the Bahamas instead of Cozumel, most of the passengers would have never noticed.

The smart ones do. There are lots of options to get beyond the tourist traps in the port. But yeah, if all you do is go for a walk, you will see the same damn shops (owned by the cruise lines) in every port on the Caribbean circuit.

Take the longer cruises to the less frequented countries for a better experience. (We had a FANTASTIC experience in Belize, for instance).

Personally...I like staying on the ship. It's quiet. I go on cruises to get away. If I want to really visit a foreign country, I'll fly their on my own for a week.


Fly their what?
 
2014-03-30 11:14:05 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Take the longer cruises to the less frequented countries for a better experience. (We had a FANTASTIC experience in Belize, for instance).


Agreed, good cruises Alaska (watching the glaciers from the boat is amazing) European River Cruises (The Danube is incredible) the Mediterranean (Greece, Istanbul not Constantinople, and Sicily all in one trip)

Bad cruises, the Caribbean*, Mexico*, Hawaii.

*Does not apply if you are a college student looking for lots of alcohol and sex on spring break.  You will be too drunk to care where you went.
 
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