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(Do You Remember)   Typhoid Mary actually has a considerably sympathetic back story if Hollywood ever wanted to make a movie about her. "When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?"   (doyouremember.com) divider line 146
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2014-03-30 08:45:30 AM
I felt some pity for her until I read that article. Now she reminds me of anti-vaxers and global warming deniers for whom I have nothing but scorn.
 
2014-03-30 09:52:52 AM
FTFA: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

When science shows that all you have to do is follow basic hygiene and not handle food of other people but you wilfully ignore that because "you know better" and then go out and purposefully subject people to deadly pathogens out of spite for science then society is fully justified in sacrificing your liberty in the interests of self preservation.

If you want to go off into the wilderness and live on your own never contacting another human being again then you can have all the liberty your little heart desires. If you're going to live in society then you've got to accept there is a trade off between being able to do whatever the hell you want and reaping the benefits of society.

This woman was a prime example of the dangers of anti-intellectualism. "But my gut tells me so" doesn't beat rigorous peer review.
 
2014-03-30 10:00:24 AM
Interesting article. I had of course heard of her but never knew the background/details.
 
2014-03-30 10:30:04 AM
What gives that one person the right to endanger the lives of many in the name of "personal liberty?"
 
2014-03-30 10:30:55 AM

Ghastly: FTFA: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

When science shows that all you have to do is follow basic hygiene and not handle food of other people but you wilfully ignore that because "you know better" and then go out and purposefully subject people to deadly pathogens out of spite for science then society is fully justified in sacrificing your liberty in the interests of self preservation.

If you want to go off into the wilderness and live on your own never contacting another human being again then you can have all the liberty your little heart desires. If you're going to live in society then you've got to accept there is a trade off between being able to do whatever the hell you want and reaping the benefits of society.

This woman was a prime example of the dangers of anti-intellectualism. "But my gut tells me so" doesn't beat rigorous peer review.


So your position is that smallpox could have been avoided if people had simply washed their hands?
 
2014-03-30 10:32:10 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: What gives that one person the right to endanger the lives of many in the name of "personal liberty?"


I never understood that either, and the NRA doesn't take my calls anymore so I guess I'll never know.
 
2014-03-30 10:32:20 AM

Ghastly: FTFA: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

When science shows that all you have to do is follow basic hygiene and not handle food of other people but you wilfully ignore that because "you know better" and then go out and purposefully subject people to deadly pathogens out of spite for science then society is fully justified in sacrificing your liberty in the interests of self preservation.

If you want to go off into the wilderness and live on your own never contacting another human being again then you can have all the liberty your little heart desires. If you're going to live in society then you've got to accept there is a trade off between being able to do whatever the hell you want and reaping the benefits of society.

This woman was a prime example of the dangers of anti-intellectualism. "But my gut tells me so" doesn't beat rigorous peer review.


And we're done here. Last person to leave please turn out the lights.
 
2014-03-30 10:33:23 AM
And after RingTFA, Typhoid Mary sounds like a douchebag, not a sympathetic character. Fark her.
 
2014-03-30 10:33:59 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: What gives that one person the right to endanger the lives of many in the name of "personal liberty?"


Yeah I didn't get the sanctimoniousness of the writer with that last line. As a society we've long been able to come to terms with sacrificing the liberty of the individual in the interests of preserving the safety of society.

Start murdering people, you're going to be sacrificing your liberty.
Start assaulting people, you're going to be sacrificing your liberty.
Start raping people, you're going to be sacrificing your liberty.

She was wilfully endangering public safety, she deserved having her liberty sacrificed.
 
2014-03-30 10:35:13 AM
I mean, yeah, she was crazy slutty hot back in the 90s trying to fark Daredevil, but I'm glad she's gone.
 
2014-03-30 10:35:27 AM
"she admitted that she never washed her hands when she cooked, arguing that there was no need."

Ahh, she must have worked at a Chipotle.
 
2014-03-30 10:35:30 AM

Ghastly: FTFA: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

When science shows that all you have to do is follow basic hygiene and not handle food of other people but you wilfully ignore that because "you know better" and then go out and purposefully subject people to deadly pathogens out of spite for science then society is fully justified in sacrificing your liberty in the interests of self preservation.

If you want to go off into the wilderness and live on your own never contacting another human being again then you can have all the liberty your little heart desires. If you're going to live in society then you've got to accept there is a trade off between being able to do whatever the hell you want and reaping the benefits of society.

This woman was a prime example of the dangers of anti-intellectualism. "But my gut tells me so" doesn't beat rigorous peer review.


Remember that asshole lawyer from a few years ago, who decided to sneak out of the country on an airplane to Italy for a wedding despite having a contagious form of TB?
 
2014-03-30 10:36:41 AM
Always?
 
2014-03-30 10:36:43 AM
My sympathy for Typhoid Mary is about on par for my sympathy with whoever wrote that craptacular headline.

WTF, subby...did you not read your own submission?

"Typhoid Mary changed her name to Mary Brown and returned to cooking and spreading disease once more."

Zero farking sympathy.
 
2014-03-30 10:36:47 AM
My sister is the Typhoid Mary of laughter. If you are in a room with her and she starts laughing, you will laugh. You cannot help yourself. Strictly Jollity Farm.
 
2014-03-30 10:36:57 AM
dave2198:

So your position is that smallpox could have been avoided if people had simply washed their hands?

No, but typhoid fever can.
 
2014-03-30 10:39:17 AM
I didn't read the article, because I'm very familiar with her. She is not a sympathetic figure AT ALL. She sickened and killed people, and when told she was a carrier and the cause of deaths, she refused to believe it. She had her freedom and instead went right back to being a cook under an assumed name...and risking people's lives. Oh yeah, and she also made more people sick.

Putting her in perm. quarantine was the only kind option. They could have isolated her in a hospital, or jail. I personally suspect they didn't only because she'd have found a way to make people sick there too.

She was a nasty horrible woman who until the end, refused to believe she was a carrier. It was always all about her, and she never gave a damn about anyone she harmed, including the kids.

Nothing but a murderer who was treated with more kindness and consideration than she ever showed others. fark her.
 
2014-03-30 10:41:19 AM
She should have been put down like a rabid dog.

She killed SO MANY that science took note.
 
2014-03-30 10:41:20 AM

Badmoodman: "she admitted that she never washed her hands when she cooked, arguing that there was no need."

Ahh, she must have worked at a Chipotle.


Ha!
 
2014-03-30 10:41:42 AM
What the hell is sympathetic about her?  She was the anti-vaxxer psycopath of her time.
 
2014-03-30 10:42:23 AM
they told her to stay out of the kitchen. where does she go?

back to the kitchen.

so they sent her to an island. maybe she learned at that point.
 
2014-03-30 10:44:33 AM
There is a terrific pictorial of the ruins of Riverside Hospital on North Brother Island (off the shore of Manhattan) where Typhoid Mary was segregated, HERE.

Some amazing and moving photographs. If we've come this far in just 100 years, imagine how far medicine will advance in the next 100.
 
2014-03-30 10:44:36 AM

dave2198: Ghastly: FTFA: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

When science shows that all you have to do is follow basic hygiene and not handle food of other people but you wilfully ignore that because "you know better" and then go out and purposefully subject people to deadly pathogens out of spite for science then society is fully justified in sacrificing your liberty in the interests of self preservation.

If you want to go off into the wilderness and live on your own never contacting another human being again then you can have all the liberty your little heart desires. If you're going to live in society then you've got to accept there is a trade off between being able to do whatever the hell you want and reaping the benefits of society.

This woman was a prime example of the dangers of anti-intellectualism. "But my gut tells me so" doesn't beat rigorous peer review.

So your position is that smallpox could have been avoided if people had simply washed their hands?


That's quite a stretch. You must workout.
 
2014-03-30 10:45:11 AM

Ghastly: FTFA: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

When science shows that all you have to do is follow basic hygiene and not handle food of other people but you wilfully ignore that because "you know better" and then go out and purposefully subject people to deadly pathogens out of spite for science then society is fully justified in sacrificing your liberty in the interests of self preservation.

If you want to go off into the wilderness and live on your own never contacting another human being again then you can have all the liberty your little heart desires. If you're going to live in society then you've got to accept there is a trade off between being able to do whatever the hell you want and reaping the benefits of society.

This woman was a prime example of the dangers of anti-intellectualism. "But my gut tells me so" doesn't beat rigorous peer review.


Actually, that was part of the problem.
 
2014-03-30 10:48:42 AM
If you can't be bothered to wash the shiat off of your hands before preparing food for others, you might have to be put away.

Silly, ignorant bint.
 
2014-03-30 10:52:58 AM
No, she's not a sympathetic character. She was a crazy, stupid person who endangered many because she refused to take basic sanitation procedures such as washing her hands or not working as a cook. Actually, a far better movie would be the scientists trying to stop her. I mean, the article was trying to go for the "scary scientists imprison poor woman" angle, but a story where the scientists are the good guys and Typhoid Mary is the villain would be much more interesting.
 
2014-03-30 10:53:22 AM
I look forward to the new movie, "Freedom is my Disease" starring Selena Gomez as Mary and Shia Lebeouf as her star crossed lover.
 
2014-03-30 10:53:35 AM

Kiwimann: What the hell is sympathetic about her?  She was the anti-vaxxer psycopath of her time.


THIS. She was quarrantined not because she had typhoid but because she changed her name and continued to work as a cook after being ordered not to.

It would be like someone that was diagnosed as narcoleptic changing thier name and continuing to work as a heavy equipment operator and killing someone because they nodded off on the job.
 
2014-03-30 10:54:20 AM
The only sympathy I have in this case is for the poor people who couldn't lobotomize and sterilize her in time to prevent the deaths she caused.
 
2014-03-30 10:55:39 AM
She must've been a good cook.
 
2014-03-30 10:56:08 AM
And it wasn't so long ago that some folks wanted AIDS patients quarantined.
Personal freedom trumped public safety that time.
Good, bad ? I don't know.
 
2014-03-30 10:56:10 AM

Yogimus: She should have been put down like a rabid dog.

She killed SO MANY that science took note.

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2014-03-30 10:56:19 AM
Didn't we have this debate back in the 1980's about AIDS? Specifically, it was (usually) transmitted through homosexual sex and gay bathhouses were breeding grounds to disseminate the virus. But the rights of the individual trumped the rights/safety of the many and AIDS became a death sentence until a few years ago.
 
2014-03-30 10:57:31 AM
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Just a moment, Captain, I believe I have a quote that applies to this exact situation.
 
2014-03-30 10:59:50 AM

yakmans_dad: My sister is the Typhoid Mary of laughter. If you are in a room with her and she starts laughing, you will laugh. You cannot help yourself. Strictly Jollity Farm.


Yeah, but everybody makes a row there.
 
2014-03-30 10:59:57 AM

Lady Indica: I didn't read the article, because I'm very familiar with her. She is not a sympathetic figure AT ALL. She sickened and killed people, and when told she was a carrier and the cause of deaths, she refused to believe it. She had her freedom and instead went right back to being a cook under an assumed name...and risking people's lives. Oh yeah, and she also made more people sick.

Putting her in perm. quarantine was the only kind option. They could have isolated her in a hospital, or jail. I personally suspect they didn't only because she'd have found a way to make people sick there too.

She was a nasty horrible woman who until the end, refused to believe she was a carrier. It was always all about her, and she never gave a damn about anyone she harmed, including the kids.

Nothing but a murderer who was treated with more kindness and consideration than she ever showed others. fark her.


Although I agree with you about her story, I can see how an interesting and sympathetic movie could be made.

It could portray her as a hardworking woman who simply can not believe the doctors when they tell her she is the source of such misery and pain.

Done well, and it cold be a subtle critique of anti-vaxers and others who let ignorance and anti-science turn into tragedy.
 
2014-03-30 11:00:17 AM
I'm sure it's an interesting philosophical debate as to whether even one person deserves to lose their freedom in order to save others. Cold reality says that if a person cannot or will not prevent the spread of a deadly disease and it can be proven they are a continuing risk then their ass deserves to be in quarantine.
 
2014-03-30 11:02:35 AM
graphics8.nytimes.com

Typhoid Mary and TB Andy sitting in a tree ....
 
2014-03-30 11:03:14 AM
But her legacy begs the question: When, if ever, is it justifiable to sacrifice the liberty of one for the health of many?

Or it would, if that was what "begging the question" meant, you chimp.
 
2014-03-30 11:03:17 AM
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1385471232/tt0400903?ref_=tt_ov_i"
 
Movie was made in 1993
 
2014-03-30 11:04:44 AM
Theses days they'd just shoot her in the back of the head.
/nothing to see here, citizen.
 
2014-03-30 11:05:48 AM
Sympathetic?  They gave her a very reasonable option and she ignored it.
 
2014-03-30 11:06:09 AM

cig-mkr: And it wasn't so long ago that some folks wanted AIDS patients quarantined.
Personal freedom trumped public safety that time.
Good, bad ? I don't know.


IIRC, Cuba was putting AIDS infected citizens in quarantine.

Seems like a round about solution for those guys.

/ this woman had opportunity to infect on a larger scale than even the biggest of he-sluts
// many didn't consider people who contracted AIDS as innocent victims, since they knew how it was spread
 
2014-03-30 11:08:12 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: There is a terrific pictorial of the ruins of Riverside Hospital on North Brother Island (off the shore of Manhattan) where Typhoid Mary was segregated, HERE.

Some amazing and moving photographs. If we've come this far in just 100 years, imagine how far medicine will advance in the next 100.


Great find, Thanks !
 
2014-03-30 11:08:31 AM
There was actually a very interesting Radiolab about Mary (and other "Patient Zero"s). It even went down the AIDs path someone mentioned above.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/169879-patient-zero/
 
2014-03-30 11:08:59 AM

wingedkat: Lady Indica: I didn't read the article, because I'm very familiar with her. She is not a sympathetic figure AT ALL. She sickened and killed people, and when told she was a carrier and the cause of deaths, she refused to believe it. She had her freedom and instead went right back to being a cook under an assumed name...and risking people's lives. Oh yeah, and she also made more people sick.

Putting her in perm. quarantine was the only kind option. They could have isolated her in a hospital, or jail. I personally suspect they didn't only because she'd have found a way to make people sick there too.

She was a nasty horrible woman who until the end, refused to believe she was a carrier. It was always all about her, and she never gave a damn about anyone she harmed, including the kids.

Nothing but a murderer who was treated with more kindness and consideration than she ever showed others. fark her.

Although I agree with you about her story, I can see how an interesting and sympathetic movie could be made.

It could portray her as a hardworking woman who simply can not believe the doctors when they tell her she is the source of such misery and pain.

Done well, and it cold be a subtle critique of anti-vaxers and others who let ignorance and anti-science turn into tragedy.


Done poorly she could become a martyr for them to rally around.
 
2014-03-30 11:13:05 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: And after RingTFA, Typhoid Mary sounds like a douchebag, not a sympathetic character. Fark her.


If she was cast as hot, had big boobs and made up a backstory about her true love languishing in a debtors prison waiting for her to come up with enough cash to spring him so they could run off together....

....my God.  I'm part of the problem.
 
2014-03-30 11:13:05 AM

cig-mkr: And it wasn't so long ago that some folks wanted AIDS patients quarantined.
Personal freedom trumped public safety that time.
Good, bad ? I don't know.


Personal freedom trumped public safety in exactly the same way it did for Typhoid Mary.

She was told she was carrying it and how it was spread. She was told she could continue to be a part of society as long as she took appropriate measures to not spread it. She refused and wilfully spread the plague and her freedom was forfeited as a consequence of her actions.

The EXACT same thing happened to AIDS patients. People who were diagnosed with it were told how not to spread it and were allowed to continue to participate in society on condition they take measures not to spread it. People who wilfully ignored those measures and purposefully spread the disease had their freedoms sanctioned. There are lots of examples of people incarcerated after wilfully endangering public safety with the AIDS virus.
 
2014-03-30 11:13:47 AM

Anonymous Bosch: wingedkat: Lady Indica: I didn't read the article, because I'm very familiar with her. She is not a sympathetic figure AT ALL. She sickened and killed people, and when told she was a carrier and the cause of deaths, she refused to believe it. She had her freedom and instead went right back to being a cook under an assumed name...and risking people's lives. Oh yeah, and she also made more people sick.

Putting her in perm. quarantine was the only kind option. They could have isolated her in a hospital, or jail. I personally suspect they didn't only because she'd have found a way to make people sick there too.

She was a nasty horrible woman who until the end, refused to believe she was a carrier. It was always all about her, and she never gave a damn about anyone she harmed, including the kids.

Nothing but a murderer who was treated with more kindness and consideration than she ever showed others. fark her.

Although I agree with you about her story, I can see how an interesting and sympathetic movie could be made.

It could portray her as a hardworking woman who simply can not believe the doctors when they tell her she is the source of such misery and pain.

Done well, and it cold be a subtle critique of anti-vaxers and others who let ignorance and anti-science turn into tragedy.

Done poorly she could become a martyr for them to rally around.


And it's far more likely to be done poorly than well.
 
2014-03-30 11:14:48 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: And after RingTFA, Typhoid Mary sounds like a douchebag, not a sympathetic character. Fark her.


Not without a gas mask and two full-body condoms
 
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