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2014-03-30 05:12:11 AM
Step 1: Design consumer business model which is predicated on making consumers act irrational.
Step 2: Play the victim card when consumers use that irrational behavior for things other than irrational purchases.
 
2014-03-30 08:19:33 AM
Dont give money on Kickstarter. Lesson learned.
 
2014-03-30 08:35:08 AM

Mike_LowELL: Step 1: Design consumer business model which is predicated on making consumers act irrational.
Step 2: Play the victim card when consumers use that irrational behavior for things other than irrational purchases.


He should be thankful for the death threats - they enable him to play the victim, and deflect blame.
 
2014-03-30 08:35:55 AM

BalugaJoe: Dont give money on Kickstarter. Lesson learned.


Lesson never needed.
 
2014-03-30 08:53:02 AM

BalugaJoe: Dont give money on Kickstarter. Lesson learned.


What was to be learned? The pledgers got their Dev Kits, the company got launched. That was the point of the Kickstarter; people got what they pledged for.

The lesson should be to know and understand what you're pledging for.
 
2014-03-30 08:56:27 AM
Welcome to Obama's entitlement generation
 
2014-03-30 08:56:43 AM
Coulda been worse, imagine if Zynga, Microsoft, Sony, EA, EA!, EA, EA, EA or EA had bought them.  With facebook's gigantic pot of fake gold holding them at bay at least there's that.
 
2014-03-30 08:56:50 AM
So would the outrage be worse if they were bought by Microsoft instead of Facebook?
 
2014-03-30 09:00:56 AM

Doktor_Zhivago: Welcome to Obama's entitlement generation


Don't do that. Nobody wants that.
 
2014-03-30 09:06:30 AM
It's almost like pandering to a target market who feels betrayed by corporate America and then selling out to those very entities you pretended to stand against would generate a negative visceral reaction.

Who knew?
 
2014-03-30 09:11:20 AM

AngryDragon: It's almost like pandering to a target market who feels betrayed by corporate America and then selling out to those very entities you pretended to stand against would generate a negative visceral reaction.

Who knew?


I need to ask:  What exactly about Occulus ever suggested they were doing anything more then trying to bring a very different and awesome display device to market?  I'm curious about the 2nd gen dev kit so now I'm interested in the company on a whole but I've never read any sort of stance like "stick it to the man, dude!" from them.  They make some pretty cool hardware, nothing more.
 
2014-03-30 09:13:09 AM
I can understand why people who backed getting it are annoyed - they thought were supporting a small indie team that would be producing something open source that you could mess around with and customize, now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it...

But OTOH, Facebook offered them two billion farking dollars. That's such a large amount of money it's difficult to even get your head around it. Assume the average yearly income is $50,000 and it'd take the average person forty thousand years to earn it. NOBODY is gonna turn that down and it's unreasonable to expect them to.
 
2014-03-30 09:17:44 AM
"We expected a negative reaction from people in the short term, we did not expect to be getting so many death threats and harassing phone calls that extended to our families," Luckey said. "We know we will prove ourselves with actions and not words, but that kind of sh** is unwarranted, especially since it is impacting people who have nothing to do with Oculus. You know, people like the ones who 'invested' in our launch on Kickstarter. What I'm saying is that they have nothing to do with Oculus."
Luckey then excused himself to go roll around on a giant pile of money.
 
2014-03-30 09:18:02 AM

Gunther: now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it


Wow, your baseless speculation about the future is truly frightening. We SHOULD judge them based on something completely made up!
 
2014-03-30 09:18:45 AM

BumpInTheNight: AngryDragon: It's almost like pandering to a target market who feels betrayed by corporate America and then selling out to those very entities you pretended to stand against would generate a negative visceral reaction.

Who knew?

I need to ask:  What exactly about Occulus ever suggested they were doing anything more then trying to bring a very different and awesome display device to market?  I'm curious about the 2nd gen dev kit so now I'm interested in the company on a whole but I've never read any sort of stance like "stick it to the man, dude!" from them.  They make some pretty cool hardware, nothing more.


They had a real cool idea that they couldn't make without funding but they didn't want to sell 50%+ of their company to a venture capitalist.  Kickstarter gave them an outlet to raise funds without selling an interest in their company.  When a major company offers you 2 billion for your company it's gotta be damn near impossible to turn it down.
 
2014-03-30 09:24:29 AM

BumpInTheNight: AngryDragon: It's almost like pandering to a target market who feels betrayed by corporate America and then selling out to those very entities you pretended to stand against would generate a negative visceral reaction.

Who knew?

I need to ask:  What exactly about Occulus ever suggested they were doing anything more then trying to bring a very different and awesome display device to market?  I'm curious about the 2nd gen dev kit so now I'm interested in the company on a whole but I've never read any sort of stance like "stick it to the man, dude!" from them.  They make some pretty cool hardware, nothing more.


Actually I don't know very much about the whole thing except the news stories I've picked up.  Justified or not, their initial backers had a perspective that they were funding a startup.  The kickstarter page itself seems to stress the concept of them being an Indie developer looking to bring a product to market.  Although from a strictly business perspective that's what they're doing, this reaction should be absolutely no surprise.

I suspect the Google/Facebook acquisition war is influencing this somewhat and those donators are feeling disillusioned that they basically funded a corporate LBO.  I can't really disagree with that either seeing as this went only 15 months from funding to acquisition by Facebook without any kind of a product launch

Honestly, I think they're probably stupid for doing this.  Yes, Luckey and team walk away with a pile of cash.  I can only imagine what the licensing wights to this would have looked like if this thing is as good as everyone seems to say it is.

Then again, maybe it isn't.
 
2014-03-30 09:24:46 AM

LasersHurt: Gunther: now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it

Wow, your baseless speculation about the future is truly frightening. We SHOULD judge them based on something completely made up!


everythingsimpsons.files.wordpress.com
LasersHurt, without knowing precisely what the Oculus will be released as, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?
 
2014-03-30 09:26:47 AM

Theaetetus: LasersHurt: Gunther: now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it

Wow, your baseless speculation about the future is truly frightening. We SHOULD judge them based on something completely made up!

[everythingsimpsons.files.wordpress.com image 507x388]
LasersHurt, without knowing precisely what the Oculus will be released as, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?


Mmm, yes I would, Theaetetus.
 
2014-03-30 09:28:23 AM

LasersHurt: Wow, your baseless speculation about the future is truly frightening. We SHOULD judge them based on something completely made up!


Sorry; I forgot the most likely scenario: Facebook loses interest in it and it gets shelved.

I don't really want to write out why this is likely on my tablet so I'm just gonna link to a post from jaerikin a prior thread who explains it fairly thoroughly and simply.

/BTW, not judging; I'd sell out for $2 billion in a heartbeat.
 
2014-03-30 09:42:07 AM

LasersHurt: Gunther: now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it

Wow, your baseless speculation about the future is truly frightening. We SHOULD judge them based on something completely made up!


Facebook is like google; the only interest they have is in gathering more of your data to sell to advertisers. Google is a vested tech company who diversifies in weird but usually interesting ways.

Facebook has done nothing but sprawl Facebook; they have no competitors, they don't grow so much as sprout new facets of Facebook.  Google, for example, went from a search engine/ad company, to an email provider, fiber optics provider, etc. They diversified into hardware and software of various stripes.

Facebook...buys Facebook apps and brings them in-house.
 
2014-03-30 09:45:55 AM

kroonermanblack: LasersHurt: Gunther: now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it

Wow, your baseless speculation about the future is truly frightening. We SHOULD judge them based on something completely made up!

Facebook is like google; the only interest they have is in gathering more of your data to sell to advertisers. Google is a vested tech company who diversifies in weird but usually interesting ways.

Facebook has done nothing but sprawl Facebook; they have no competitors, they don't grow so much as sprout new facets of Facebook.  Google, for example, went from a search engine/ad company, to an email provider, fiber optics provider, etc. They diversified into hardware and software of various stripes.

Facebook...buys Facebook apps and brings them in-house.


Except that they have started, recently, doing exactly what you say they are not. They are buying companies to simply own as holdings, not to alter them. Whatsapp, Instagram, and now Oculus.

Facebook itself is a dying model. It's days are numbered, and Facebook knows this. They want to do what Google and Yahoo are doing, and buy up young and healthy companies to ride.

They might use the product in the future, but I believe they're going to let the Oculus develop as its own piece of hardware - it's more valuable that way.
 
2014-03-30 09:52:39 AM

Gunther: I don't really want to write out why this is likely on my tablet so I'm just gonna link to a post from jaerikin a prior thread who explains it fairly thoroughly and simply.


Nice, that's a good post which really sets the tone by which Facebook treats the gaming market.  Between that and another few articles I've gotten the notion that everyone is afraid that the Rifts will be delayed in a proper consumer product release and the focus will be on more general applications then specifically gaming.

I have to say I am more interested in a product that can be used both in-game and other purposes like my general viewing device as well.  A device born to the PC platform that's more expensive then the average user's main display and it only works on a select sub set of games has such a small niche that your user base simply can't support you, take it from someone who's been a die-hard triple-display gamer for years now.  PC gaming isn't dying but it also isn't growing and those of us willing to drop a few hundred bucks on a gaming-only peripheral are rare enough as it is.  Diversifying this peripheral's role is a smart move, I think its the only way for the company to survive, especially with Sony barreling up behind them with slick and already well versed gaming ecosystem->hardware->product life cycle management skills.

I don't like facebook but I love the concept of the Rift,  if I can replace my 6MP+ display system and all the huge SLI/Crossfire hardware needed to drive it with something like the Rift?  Giddy up.  If it takes facebook's blood money to make that happen and keep it alive?  I guess that's how its going to go, even if Notch the luckiest bad coder on the planet poo-poos his own feeble attempt to get on board.
 
2014-03-30 10:02:56 AM
Mike_LowELL [TotalFark]
2014-03-30 05:12:11 AM


Step 1: Design consumer business model which is predicated on making consumers act irrational.
Step 2: Play the victim card when consumers use that irrational behavior for things other than irrational purchases.

White knighting criminals who are calling for murder.

Why am i not surprised.
 
2014-03-30 10:13:50 AM
Death threats are just the internet's way of saying "hello" these days.
 
2014-03-30 10:19:33 AM

BumpInTheNight: AngryDragon: It's almost like pandering to a target market who feels betrayed by corporate America and then selling out to those very entities you pretended to stand against would generate a negative visceral reaction.

Who knew?

I need to ask:  What exactly about Occulus ever suggested they were doing anything more then trying to bring a very different and awesome display device to market?  I'm curious about the 2nd gen dev kit so now I'm interested in the company on a whole but I've never read any sort of stance like "stick it to the man, dude!" from them.  They make some pretty cool hardware, nothing more.


Here is the kickstarter announcement:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-int o- the-game

It claims they are making a VR system for games.  Nothing about a system to grab as much of your personal information as possible and use it (the VR  system, your information will be sold for every purpose the Zuck can get money for) to spam you with ads.  Count me as someone ready to buy the commercial release on the day it shipped until the announcement of the buyout.  Not interested in facebook VR.

As far as I can tell, false advertising is perfectly legal in the US (thanks SCOTUS for Nike vs. California).  Kickstarter works well for paying artists for works you know they could produce (I know there were discussions on USENET between SF fans and authors about funding books that the authors (or publishers) didn't believe there was a market for), but otherwise a sucker market.  Look at the pathfinder MMO for an honest  example of those looking for handouts ("give us money so we can make a tech demo and get bought by venture capitol").
 
2014-03-30 10:26:19 AM

yet_another_wumpus: Here is the kickstarter announcement:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-int o- the-game

It claims they are making a VR system for games. Nothing about a system to grab as much of your personal information as possible and use it (the VR system, your information will be sold for every purpose the Zuck can get money for) to spam you with ads. Count me as someone ready to buy the commercial release on the day it shipped until the announcement of the buyout. Not interested in facebook VR.

As far as I can tell, false advertising is perfectly legal in the US (thanks SCOTUS for Nike vs. California). Kickstarter works well for paying artists for works you know they could produce (I know there were discussions on USENET between SF fans and authors about funding books that the authors (or publishers) didn't believe there was a market for), but otherwise a sucker market. Look at the pathfinder MMO for an honest example of those looking for handouts ("give us money so we can make a tech demo and get bought by venture capitol").


Do you know how gross this feels to play devil's advocate for facebook?

Any ways, tell me where I can find the info saying facebook is going to alter the company and use a hardware display device to some how go after your social activities.  This isn't a Google Glass, it doesn't follow you around and take pictures of everything, its a display hardwired to a computer.  It was mentioned up thread that facebook's company acquisitions have been left alone to grow and nuture on their own and that speaks to a trend where they're buying up stuff just to let it sit there securely growing as an investment, not to corrupt it with what they know is a business on its way out (facebook' site).

Personally I think I'm going to get one of those 2nd gen devkits and then yes wait until after the official commercial release to decide on whether to buy that final product.
 
2014-03-30 10:31:21 AM
Hell hath no fury like a gamer scorned.
 
2014-03-30 10:50:47 AM
Who takes death threats from the internet seriously.
 
2014-03-30 10:53:40 AM

BumpInTheNight: Coulda been worse, imagine if Zynga, Microsoft, Sony, EA, EA!, EA, EA, EA or EA had bought them.  With facebook's gigantic pot of fake gold holding them at bay at least there's that.


There would have been a similar reaction if Zynga had bought them, but if the others had, the reaction would have been "that sucks, but at least they weren't bought by Facebook". And then everyone would point and laugh at the person who said that for having such a ridiculous idea.
 
2014-03-30 10:57:26 AM

LasersHurt: They might use the product in the future, but I believe they're going to let the Oculus develop as its own piece of hardware - it's more valuable that way.


Problem is I can't trust Facebook right now.  In their desparate bid for more revenue to appease Wall Street they are teetering with actually causing their own demise (well massive reduction in use).  Their latest ad grab is proof of that.

Odds are that there will be a time when advertisers will get data from an Oculus System in order to use it.
 
2014-03-30 11:02:38 AM
Sage wisdom: People are farking crazy

Now go and live accordingly.
 
2014-03-30 11:03:43 AM

BumpInTheNight: Any ways, tell me where I can find the info saying facebook is going to alter the company and use a hardware display device to some how go after your social activities.


Have a read of Zuckerberg's facebook post on the acquisition, where he gives a nod to gaming but mostly talks about its potential for social experiences.

Now granted, he also says they're mostly gonna let Oculus do its own thing and while I have my doubts about how that's gonna work in practice (corporate culture always chances when a big company acquires a little one), we can always hope.
 
2014-03-30 11:13:55 AM
Never get in between a loser who can't leave his house and his ultimate tool for escaping his shiatty life.
 
2014-03-30 11:17:33 AM

Gunther: BumpInTheNight: Any ways, tell me where I can find the info saying facebook is going to alter the company and use a hardware display device to some how go after your social activities.

Have a read of Zuckerberg's facebook post on the acquisition, where he gives a nod to gaming but mostly talks about its potential for social experiences.

Now granted, he also says they're mostly gonna let Oculus do its own thing and while I have my doubts about how that's gonna work in practice (corporate culture always chances when a big company acquires a little one), we can always hope.


Really?  From the about the middle and down its talking about how goal #1 is gaming and only after they've matured that to fruition will they start to tackle other applications.

/again, this feels really dirty & weird to be defending facebook or mark suckerberg.
 
2014-03-30 11:28:52 AM
Its just a bad situation. Like naming Mel Gibson as the head the Holocaust museum.
 
2014-03-30 11:34:13 AM
What seems overblown to me is one simple fact:
The Kickstarter only had ~9300 supporters.  Of the tens of thousand of rants on reddit and on fark, only a small percentage could actually have been donors.
 
2014-03-30 11:42:32 AM

LasersHurt: They might use the product in the future, but I believe they're going to let the Oculus develop as its own piece of hardware - it's more valuable that way.


This is what I see as the most likely outcome. They recognized a cash cow when they saw it, they recognized that it has applications far beyond gaming, and they made a good investment. A very smart investment, I'd say. I mean, doesn't everyone see use for the Rift beyond gaming? Why would I be mad that Oculus suddenly has 20x the funding they had before? They say now they can custom-build their own hardware, rather than cobbling together stuff that already exists. I mean, wow, what an outrage!

Facebook may or may not want to make changes down the line, but I really believe they're not going to interfere with the initial consumer version, and that means we're probably going to get something REALLY good. People are so apocalyptic about everything these days. How about we wait until Facebook even proposes a change before we declare it ruined?
 
2014-03-30 11:44:48 AM

Warlordtrooper: Who takes death threats from the internet seriously.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-30 11:57:09 AM

OnlyM3: Mike_LowELL [TotalFark]
2014-03-30 05:12:11 AM


Step 1: Design consumer business model which is predicated on making consumers act irrational.
Step 2: Play the victim card when consumers use that irrational behavior for things other than irrational purchases.
White knighting criminals who are calling for murder.

Why am i not surprised.

img.fark.netToo small.
 
2014-03-30 11:59:48 AM

MylesHeartVodak: What seems overblown to me is one simple fact:
The Kickstarter only had ~9300 supporters.  Of the tens of thousand of rants on reddit and on fark, only a small percentage could actually have been donors.


Occulus has made it very clear that the dev kit is just that.  Those wanting a VR system are expected to wait for the retail release.  Presumably the sound you hear is the sound of tens of thousands of wallets snapping shut.

Shakin_Haitian: Never get in between a loser who can't leave his house and his ultimate tool for escaping his shiatty life.

I think all of us whose wallets just snapped shut should be thankful for our extended visit in the big blue room (at least when not farking).
 
2014-03-30 12:05:03 PM
Stay classy, 4chan
 
2014-03-30 12:10:22 PM
Death threats?

Some bloated neckbeard winging a cheetos stained fedora at you like a basement dwelling version of Odd Job isn't exactly a threat to your life.
 
2014-03-30 12:22:03 PM
Wow, for people that managed to squeeze millions of dollars from the internet under false implications of open development that's a lot of wide-eyed innocence about how the internet (and mail-in based stuff in general) has always worked since the invention of the post.
 
2014-03-30 12:36:24 PM
Yeah, like I've been saying - a lot of folks are way, way overreacting to this news. It really could be good news from the standpoint of actually getting the final consumer version produced and manufactured in large enough numbers to be affordable to the average consumer.

Yes, I'm slightly concerned about FB's involvement, but it's entirely premature to just assume all sorts of nefarious scenarios WILL play out at this early stage, and lots of people are just ranting breathlessly like it's a foregone conclusion. It isn't.

Besides, this is going to be a PC peripheral. You really think that's if FB forces some stupid, intrusive software that it won't get hacked in about 3 minutes flat?

Relax, drink a beer... the final product isn't coming out for a while anyway, so just let folks play with their dev kits and let's just see where this goes before we start sending death threats to poor workers, m'kay kiddos?
 
2014-03-30 12:54:31 PM
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2014-03-30 01:06:43 PM
What makes me sad is that they said they got more death threats than they expected.
 
2014-03-30 01:07:43 PM

Jim_Callahan: Wow, for people that managed to squeeze millions of dollars from the internet under false implications of open development that's a lot of wide-eyed innocence about how the internet (and mail-in based stuff in general) has always worked since the invention of the post.


Seriously, people make death threats to random people in the local news.  There are just people out there who will make death threats about anything.


/Chow-dah, chow-DAH.
//Say it right, I'll kill you, I'll kill all of you!
 
2014-03-30 01:09:09 PM

Gunther: I can understand why people who backed getting it are annoyed - they thought were supporting a small indie team that would be producing something open source that you could mess around with and customize, now they'll be getting something mass-market and DRM-laden with the edges sanded off and a focus on ease-of-use so Grandma can post cat videos on Facebook with it...

But OTOH, Facebook offered them two billion farking dollars. That's such a large amount of money it's difficult to even get your head around it. Assume the average yearly income is $50,000 and it'd take the average person forty thousand years to earn it. NOBODY is gonna turn that down and it's unreasonable to expect them to.


Yep, when people have the choice between doing something groundbreaking and becoming a billionaire...
 
2014-03-30 01:09:15 PM

mongbiohazard: Yeah, like I've been saying - a lot of folks are way, way overreacting to this news. It really could be good news from the standpoint of actually getting the final consumer version produced and manufactured in large enough numbers to be affordable to the average consumer.

Yes, I'm slightly concerned about FB's involvement, but it's entirely premature to just assume all sorts of nefarious scenarios WILL play out at this early stage, and lots of people are just ranting breathlessly like it's a foregone conclusion. It isn't.

Besides, this is going to be a PC peripheral. You really think that's if FB forces some stupid, intrusive software that it won't get hacked in about 3 minutes flat?

Relax, drink a beer... the final product isn't coming out for a while anyway, so just let folks play with their dev kits and let's just see where this goes before we start sending death threats to poor workers, m'kay kiddos?


As a successful 30 something with no kids (i.e. disposable income coming out of my ears) and proud member of the glorious PC Gaming master race, I don't want something affordable to the average consume.  I want to be able to buy cooler shiat than everyone else.  If I wanted some socialist bullshiat where everyone plays with the same hardware I would buy a console.
 
2014-03-30 01:10:09 PM
There is nothing more pathetic, laughable and childish than an angry gamer.  These men-children are everything wrong with the emasculation of our society.
 
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