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(ABC Local)   When transporting 15 kilograms of cocaine in a car that is not registered to you, make sure that the tail light isn't faulty and for the love of FSM don't give them consent to search the vehicle using their drug dog, 'cause it never ends well   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 72
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2014-03-30 09:14:04 AM
Fail.
 
2014-03-30 09:14:19 AM
Just before 8pm Thursday, a Rosenberg police officer spotted a 2008 Ford pickup traveling northbound in the 24000 block of US Highway 59 with defective tail lamps. A traffic stop was conducted for the traffic violation The officer conducted a traffic stop for the violation.
While speaking with the driver, who was not the registered owner of the vehicle, Investigator Schnacky received consent to search the vehicle utilizing his K-9, Rex. Investigator Schnacky received consent to search the vehicle utilizing his K-9, Rex, from the driver, who was not the registered owner of the vehicle. The K-9 alerted to the vehicle and a false compartment was discovered in the rear passenger area.  When his K-9 noticed something odd on the vehicle, Schnacky discovered a false compartment in the rear passenger area.

F. Terrible job, too much use of passive voice. See me after class.
 
2014-03-30 09:15:23 AM
1. I really surprised that the courier vehicle was not thorouly inspected by the drug runners to make sure there would be nothing to give cops a reason to stop the vehicle

2. For that much drugs the cops found and got access to the hidden compartment easily enough. I think it was on Fark that I read a story about some car modder who got paid to make these elaborate secret compartments in cars and to access them involved some crazy sequences to even get them to open. Something like stepping on the brake as a window was raised and th AC was turned on.
 
2014-03-30 09:15:58 AM
Can't drug-sniffing dogs give a positive while they're outside the car, giving the cops reasonable cause to search without consent?  I thought that was a major point of contention with a SCOTUS case recently.
 
2014-03-30 09:18:39 AM
This is one of the major ways that asset forfeiture happens too. A broken tail light is one of the biggest pretexts for a cop to pull you over. It's happened to me a few times. If you're the right age and colour and calm, generally you're good to go. But if you are driving while brown, agitated in any way, you're going to get searched.
 
2014-03-30 09:20:54 AM
If they're asking you for consent to search, you're already busted.
 
2014-03-30 09:21:28 AM
When transporting 15 kilograms of cocaine in a car that is not registered to you - be in another vehicle.
 
2014-03-30 09:24:15 AM

The Onion is prophetic: Can't drug-sniffing dogs give a positive while they're outside the car, giving the cops reasonable cause to search without consent?  I thought that was a major point of contention with a SCOTUS case recently.


Yep. Asking for consent is just a joke at the expense of the gullible person who thinks they have any say in the matter. The best part is that the dog will 'tell' whenever the cop signals it to and since there are no penalties for being wrong there's nothing to lose by manufacturing "probable cause" in literally every stop.
 
2014-03-30 09:26:42 AM
Uh yeah... When you "don't give consent" you're just giving the annoyed late night judge a reason to sign off on the search warrant. No matter what, they are searching your vehicle - consent just looks better in court.
 
2014-03-30 09:27:34 AM

Theaetetus: Just before 8pm Thursday, a Rosenberg police officer spotted a 2008 Ford pickup traveling northbound in the 24000 block of US Highway 59 with defective tail lamps. A traffic stop was conducted for the traffic violation The officer conducted a traffic stop for the violation.
While speaking with the driver, who was not the registered owner of the vehicle, Investigator Schnacky received consent to search the vehicle utilizing his K-9, Rex. Investigator Schnacky received consent to search the vehicle utilizing his K-9, Rex, from the driver, who was not the registered owner of the vehicle. The K-9 alerted to the vehicle and a false compartment was discovered in the rear passenger area.  When his K-9 noticed something odd on the vehicle, Schnacky discovered a false compartment in the rear passenger area.

F. Terrible job, too much use of passive voice. See me after class.


Ahem.  'Utilizing' is in no way, shape or form a word.
 
2014-03-30 09:27:36 AM
if you refuse consent then they'll
a: make a determination that your refusal is "just cause" enough to warrant their search because of "suspicious behavior"
b: make a call to a judge to get a warrant while they hold you there waiting
c: walk the dog around the car and act like he hit on something even if he didn't. then do a thorough search.

either way you're boned.
 
2014-03-30 09:29:32 AM

macadamnut: If they're asking you for consent to search, you're already busted.


This
 
2014-03-30 09:38:21 AM

macadamnut: If they're asking you for consent to search, you're already busted.


forums.massassi.net

If they are asking you to consent to a search, it means they're on a fishing expedition. There are two ways an LEO can search your vehicle: probable cause and consent. If the LEO has probable cause, they don't need, nor will they bother with, your consent; they'll just search the vehicle.

When an LEO asks if they have permission to search your vehicle you should:

1. Politely say no. (If they had real probable cause, they wouldn't have asked permission)
2. Ask if you are being detained.
3. After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave.

Inevitably, the officer will try to coerce you into giving consent ("What? You have something to hide?"). Do not take this bait. Simply, politely, restate that you do not give consent to searches and ask if you are being detained.
 
2014-03-30 09:38:24 AM
Meanwhile, Tyrone has been sitting in lock up, scratching his head/ wondering what he's going to tell the boss what happened to his coke whilst thinking he sprayed those packages with enough Fabreeze to choke a horse, let along throw a drug dog off the trail.
 
2014-03-30 09:39:20 AM
I don't believe they need consent to search with a dog. They just do it from outside the car and when the dogs alerts, they can search whether you consent our not. Whether or not the alert is real or prompted is another story.
 
2014-03-30 09:40:08 AM

macadamnut: If they're asking you for consent to search, you're already busted.


no, it means the cop wants to go fishing.

Se e what Eldrich says
 
2014-03-30 09:41:22 AM

eldritch2k4: When an LEO asks if they have permission to search your vehicle you should:

1. Politely say no. (If they had real probable cause, they wouldn't have asked permission)
2. Ask if you are being detained.
3. After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant



fixed that
 
2014-03-30 09:42:25 AM

Astorix: This is one of the major ways that asset forfeiture happens too. A broken tail light is one of the biggest pretexts for a cop to pull you over. It's happened to me a few times. If you're the right age and colour and calm, generally you're good to go. But if you are driving while brown, agitated in any way, you're going to get searched.


DWB is not really a reason to get searched in the big cities of Tejas, it's simply not practical when 50% of the population is brown, including cops, mayors, congress, etc. and you can totally say no, in fact cops usually only ask because they don't have a good reason.
 
2014-03-30 09:43:30 AM

Hobodeluxe: if you refuse consent then they'll
a: make a determination that your refusal is "just cause" enough to warrant their search because of "suspicious behavior"
b: make a call to a judge to get a warrant while they hold you there waiting
c: walk the dog around the car and act like he hit on something even if he didn't. then do a thorough search.

either way you're boned.


A: Only the dumbest, most corrupt cop. The rest will realize that the whole of the case will be thrown out based on "fruit of the poisoned tree", so to speak.
B: They can't detain you without probable cause. They can't hold you at the scene of a traffic stop to manufacture probable cause. Again, a first year law student could get that thrown out.
C: Only if the K9 unit pulled you over. If not, please see point B. If the officer says, "The K9 is on the way," you ask, again, "Am I under arrest?" If they say no, politely request your papers and leave.
 
2014-03-30 09:44:36 AM

eldritch2k4: When an LEO asks if they have permission to search your vehicle you should:

1. Politely say no. (If they had real probable cause, they wouldn't have asked permission)
2. Ask if you are being detained.
3. After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave.

Inevitably, the officer will try to coerce you into giving consent ("What? You have something to hide?"). Do not take this bait. Simply, politely, restate that you do not give consent to searches and ask if you are being detained.


What do you do when he gets tired of your "Am I being detained? Am I free to go?" schtick and tases you because he'll get away with it?
 
2014-03-30 09:50:28 AM

abhorrent1: I don't believe they need consent to search with a dog. They just do it from outside the car and when the dogs alerts, they can search whether you consent our not. Whether or not the alert is real or prompted is another story.


Yep, I was with a buddy once and thats exactly what they did.  They brought the dog up to the car, said "oh he hit on something," then searched the car.  Nothing was found, because we didnt do or traffic drugs, but it was obvious that the officer just made up the dog alerting, or signaled for the dog to alert, one way or the other.

With that said though, one of my brother in laws is a pot head who has been pulled over and asked to search multiple times on his way home from work, and each time he has said no and they just let him on his way.  Its entirely at the discretion of the cop.
 
2014-03-30 09:51:02 AM
I've refused searches three or four times in two different counties. They bring the dog around, yeah, but it never hits on anything (even with the windows down and my stash box in the car) After a minute I'm free to go.

Them asking for consent to a search means they have to. That's usually good news for me.
 
2014-03-30 09:55:11 AM

eldritch2k4: Hobodeluxe: if you refuse consent then they'll
a: make a determination that your refusal is "just cause" enough to warrant their search because of "suspicious behavior"
b: make a call to a judge to get a warrant while they hold you there waiting
c: walk the dog around the car and act like he hit on something even if he didn't. then do a thorough search.

either way you're boned.

A: Only the dumbest, most corrupt cop. The rest will realize that the whole of the case will be thrown out based on "fruit of the poisoned tree", so to speak.
B: They can't detain you without probable cause. They can't hold you at the scene of a traffic stop to manufacture probable cause. Again, a first year law student could get that thrown out.
C: Only if the K9 unit pulled you over. If not, please see point B. If the officer says, "The K9 is on the way," you ask, again, "Am I under arrest?" If they say no, politely request your papers and leave.


Shiat you can do that? (The last part) Man, I've waited half an hour for a farking dog too many times...
 
2014-03-30 09:56:00 AM

generallyso: eldritch2k4: When an LEO asks if they have permission to search your vehicle you should:

1. Politely say no. (If they had real probable cause, they wouldn't have asked permission)
2. Ask if you are being detained.
3. After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave.

Inevitably, the officer will try to coerce you into giving consent ("What? You have something to hide?"). Do not take this bait. Simply, politely, restate that you do not give consent to searches and ask if you are being detained.

What do you do when he gets tired of your "Am I being detained? Am I free to go?" schtick and tases you because he'll get away with it?


Well, no, no, he probably won't. What with dash cams being mandatory and all.

However, if you are that scared that you are going to get a violent thug, instead of a police officer, as soon as you are pulled over, pull your phone out and begin recording the entire stop. The officer can be as biatchy about it as they want, but they have no legal standing to force you to turn off a recording device, so long as it is in plain view and you have announced that it is recording.

/know your rights
//LEOs wouldn't be able to get away with half the shiat they do if people would just learn what their rights are
 
2014-03-30 10:02:37 AM
FSM?
 
2014-03-30 10:03:31 AM
I don't understand what's the problem?
I read the headline.
Should they have registered the cocaine in their name?
Would that have corrected the issue?
 
2014-03-30 10:05:08 AM

Mentalpatient87: C: Only if the K9 unit pulled you over. If not, please see point B. If the officer says, "The K9 is on the way," you ask, again, "Am I under arrest?" If they say no, politely request your papers and leave.

Shiat you can do that? (The last part) Man, I've waited half an hour for a farking dog too many times...


Basically, yes. If you are pulled over for speeding or a mechanical failure on your vehicle, unless they find something else during the course of regular business, they have to issue your ticket and send you on your merry. They cannot detain (arrest) you without probable cause and, unless you are under arrest, have to let you leave whenever you want. If they are waiting on the K9 unit before they enter the vehicle, it means that they don't have sufficient probable cause to search the vehicle, which likely means that they don't have probable cause to detain you.
 
2014-03-30 10:10:55 AM

eldritch2k4: Mentalpatient87: C: Only if the K9 unit pulled you over. If not, please see point B. If the officer says, "The K9 is on the way," you ask, again, "Am I under arrest?" If they say no, politely request your papers and leave.

Shiat you can do that? (The last part) Man, I've waited half an hour for a farking dog too many times...

Basically, yes. If you are pulled over for speeding or a mechanical failure on your vehicle, unless they find something else during the course of regular business, they have to issue your ticket and send you on your merry. They cannot detain (arrest) you without probable cause and, unless you are under arrest, have to let you leave whenever you want. If they are waiting on the K9 unit before they enter the vehicle, it means that they don't have sufficient probable cause to search the vehicle, which likely means that they don't have probable cause to detain you.


bull they can and will do whatever they want.
 
2014-03-30 10:11:51 AM

eldritch2k4: Well, no, no, he probably won't. What with dash cams being mandatory and all.


Come on now. You've been on Fark long enough to see many many instances of cops attacking unarmed, peaceful people and getting away with it, film or not. Sometimes they like to put on an act, shouting "strop trying to take my gun" for the audio recording to pick up when they're out of sight of their own camera, but unknowingly within the view of another. When they feel a video is problematic it just disappears. And sometimes they aren't even on duty and still get away with it.

Remember when the LAPD was looking for a 300lbs black man and opened fire to on two asian ladies and riddled the neighborhood beyond with bullets?
i.imgur.com

Every single one is back on duty.

 
2014-03-30 10:12:42 AM

generallyso: Every single one is back on duty.



Fark ate the link.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/02/05/us/ap-us-lapd-revenge-kill i ngs.html?ref=aponline&_r=4
 
2014-03-30 10:12:45 AM

eldritch2k4: generallyso: eldritch2k4: When an LEO asks if they have permission to search your vehicle you should:

1. Politely say no. (If they had real probable cause, they wouldn't have asked permission)
2. Ask if you are being detained.
3. After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave.

Inevitably, the officer will try to coerce you into giving consent ("What? You have something to hide?"). Do not take this bait. Simply, politely, restate that you do not give consent to searches and ask if you are being detained.

What do you do when he gets tired of your "Am I being detained? Am I free to go?" schtick and tases you because he'll get away with it?

Well, no, no, he probably won't. What with dash cams being mandatory and all.

However, if you are that scared that you are going to get a violent thug, instead of a police officer, as soon as you are pulled over, pull your phone out and begin recording the entire stop. The officer can be as biatchy about it as they want, but they have no legal standing to force you to turn off a recording device, so long as it is in plain view and you have announced that it is recording.

/know your rights
//LEOs wouldn't be able to get away with half the shiat they do if people would just learn what their rights are


LOL that's not even vaguely how it works. At all. Like, not even kind of sort of a little teeeeeeeeny tiny bit. That's like saying "Anyone can grow up to be President!" It sounds just lovely but has zero to do with reality.
 
2014-03-30 10:13:20 AM

abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant


Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.
 
2014-03-30 10:19:00 AM
eldritch2k4://LEOs wouldn't be able to get away with half the shiat they do if people would just learn what their rights are

LOL. How does the constitution protects us from the NSA or FBI providing information to local LEO gleaned from illegal, warrant-less wiretaps that in turn results in a traffic stop and probable cause manufactured in reverse? It's not a document that has any meaning in the surveillance-state.
 
2014-03-30 10:21:29 AM

eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.



I like you. You're funny. And if you're being serious, I appreciate your positivity.
 
2014-03-30 10:21:40 AM

eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.


Bull.  Lack of consent = Probable cause in a cops mind. Don't want to consent? You must be hiding something.
They're gonna do what they want to do and get away with it and you know it.
 
2014-03-30 10:30:10 AM

megarian: eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.


I like you. You're funny. And if you're being serious, I appreciate your positivity.


I would do the stopping and the friskage of you very much. Because you are the person with the appearance of the suspicion of course.
 
2014-03-30 10:33:17 AM

meow said the dog: megarian: eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.


I like you. You're funny. And if you're being serious, I appreciate your positivity.

I would do the stopping and the friskage of you very much. Because you are the person with the appearance of the suspicion of course.


AM I BEING DETAINED!?
 
2014-03-30 10:36:02 AM
About the car, is there anything I need to know. Does it stall, does it smoke, does it make a lot of noise, does it have gas in it, anything?
 
2014-03-30 10:41:54 AM

megarian: meow said the dog: megarian: eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.


I like you. You're funny. And if you're being serious, I appreciate your positivity.

I would do the stopping and the friskage of you very much. Because you are the person with the appearance of the suspicion of course.

AM I BEING DETAINED!?


Damn this you have beaten me at the own game of me. I must now not do the TASERing of you but instead say to you that you are free to leave. It is the kryptonite of police!
 
2014-03-30 10:42:42 AM

Hobodeluxe: bull they can and will do whatever they want.


I'm not an idiot. I know bad things happen. Bad things that wouldn't happen nearly as often if everyone knew what their rights were.
 
2014-03-30 10:44:43 AM

meow said the dog: megarian: meow said the dog: megarian: eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.


I like you. You're funny. And if you're being serious, I appreciate your positivity.

I would do the stopping and the friskage of you very much. Because you are the person with the appearance of the suspicion of course.

AM I BEING DETAINED!?

Damn this you have beaten me at the own game of me. I must now not do the TASERing of you but instead say to you that you are free to leave. It is the kryptonite of police!


It's like MAGIC.
 
2014-03-30 10:48:52 AM

Astorix: This is one of the major ways that asset forfeiture happens too. A broken tail light is one of the biggest pretexts for a cop to pull you over. It's happened to me a few times. If you're the right age and colour and calm, generally you're good to go. But if you are driving while brown, agitated in any way, you're going to get searched.


Well even though the cliche is driving while brown, you can get pulled over for driving while white in a mostly brown neighborhood, but since there are more mostly white neighborhoods than mostly brown the browns get the worse end of this, but if you are white and in the ghetto you will get pulled over because they assume you are there to buy drugs or pickup a prostitute.
 
2014-03-30 11:00:06 AM
Listen, folks. The justice system does not start and stop with the Police. No judge is going to issue a search warrant based on "he didn't consent to the search". If, somehow, you managed to find an LEO and a judge willing to do this, a first year law student could get a mistrial. Even if you found a way to make it to a verdict in such a case, what jury is going to convict?

Illegal searches are thrown out all the time, but it doesn't matter how illegal the search is, if you say, "Yes. You can search my vehicle," it becomes perfectly legal. Just. Say. No. To every search. Whether you have something or not, your answer to "may I search your vehicle," is "NO."

The rules of the game are written to protect you, but you have to hold the other players to them. If you roll over and just let them run roughshod over the rules, then you have no recourse in the matter. However, if you firmly, but politely, say no and they try to break those rules, you have ways to redress the matter. Lawsuits for example: Link
 
2014-03-30 11:00:34 AM

abhorrent1: eldritch2k4: abhorrent1: After being told that you are not being detained, retrieve any paperwork from the officer (ticket, license, etc) and leave. They impound your car and apply for a search warrant

Not going to happen. Lack of consent to a search is not probable cause for a search.

Bull.  Lack of consent = Probable cause in a cops mind. Don't want to consent? You must be hiding something.
They're gonna do what they want to do and get away with it and you know it.


I like how he keeps trying to claim you can refuse consent and be on your merry way because once you refuse consent there isn't anything they can do. Wasn't there a story a few months ago where a cop found probable cause to search a guys car and give him a colonoscopy because the guy clinched his butt cheeks? Bottum line is if you don't give consent for them to search, they will use anything to get probable cause, and anything includes you were acting shifty or like in the example from a few months ago clinched butt cheeks. The courts have given them this power and heave backed it several times.
 
2014-03-30 11:18:04 AM

eldritch2k4: Listen, folks. The justice system does not start and stop with the Police. No judge is going to issue a search warrant based on "he didn't consent to the search". If, somehow, you managed to find an LEO and a judge willing to do this, a first year law student could get a mistrial. Even if you found a way to make it to a verdict in such a case, what jury is going to convict?

Illegal searches are thrown out all the time, but it doesn't matter how illegal the search is, if you say, "Yes. You can search my vehicle," it becomes perfectly legal. Just. Say. No. To every search. Whether you have something or not, your answer to "may I search your vehicle," is "NO."

The rules of the game are written to protect you, but you have to hold the other players to them. If you roll over and just let them run roughshod over the rules, then you have no recourse in the matter. However, if you firmly, but politely, say no and they try to break those rules, you have ways to redress the matter. Lawsuits for example: Link


Not doing the consent is the proper thing but you will still have searching. You do not need the warrant per the Carroll doctrine. That is doing the teaching to the first year law student by the way of this.
 
2014-03-30 11:21:20 AM

ongbok: Wasn't there a story a few months ago where a cop found probable cause to search a guys car and give him a colonoscopy because the guy clinched his butt cheeks?


I believe this is what you are talking about: "Lawsuit: Cops forced man to undergo enemas, colonoscopy on invalid warrant"

Seems to back everyone's claims that the police will do whatever they want, right? Let's RTFA:

"Eckert was told he could go home after a third officer issued him a traffic citation. But before he did, Eckert voluntarily consented to a search of him and his vehicle, the affidavit states. A K-9 dog subsequently hit on a spot in the Dodge's driver's seat, though no drugs were found."

Further reading indicates that they had cause to search his anal cavity after he had given consent to a search of his person due to prior incidents.

However, the long and short of it is: The man you are holding up as "police will ignore you refusing consent" is actually a poster child for my point, "NEVER GIVE CONSENT TO SEARCHES."
 
2014-03-30 11:25:14 AM

eldritch2k4: However, the long and short of it is: The man you are holding up as "police will ignore you refusing consent" is actually a poster child for my point, "NEVER GIVE CONSENT TO SEARCHES."


Police taking action based on an invalid warrant is is a poster child for your point about consent? What is the color of the sky in your world?
 
2014-03-30 11:26:26 AM

meow said the dog: Not doing the consent is the proper thing but you will still have searching. You do not need the warrant per the Carroll doctrine. That is doing the teaching to the first year law student by the way of this.


The Carroll Doctrine still requires prior probable cause to believe that there is evidence of a crime before the search can be carried out and, back to my original point, if a cop asks for permission to search, he doesn't have sufficient cause to carry out a search. This is where having your own recording of the stop (via your phone) comes in handy in a court of law; proof that he asked for permission, instead of just searching.
 
2014-03-30 11:28:07 AM

generallyso: eldritch2k4: However, the long and short of it is: The man you are holding up as "police will ignore you refusing consent" is actually a poster child for my point, "NEVER GIVE CONSENT TO SEARCHES."

Police taking action based on an invalid warrant is is a poster child for your point about consent? What is the color of the sky in your world?


He's the poster child for my point because he would have been able to go home, sans anal violation, if he had simply said no to the search. They went after that warrant after he had been told he was free to go.
 
2014-03-30 11:30:54 AM

eldritch2k4: generallyso: eldritch2k4: However, the long and short of it is: The man you are holding up as "police will ignore you refusing consent" is actually a poster child for my point, "NEVER GIVE CONSENT TO SEARCHES."

Police taking action based on an invalid warrant is is a poster child for your point about consent? What is the color of the sky in your world?

He's the poster child for my point because he would have been able to go home, sans anal violation, if he had simply said no to the search. They went after that warrant after he had been told he was free to go.


Some of us enjoy such the violation.
 
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