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(Washington Post)   Maryland politicians threaten to seize equipment and assets of "House of Cards" Netflix show. "We learned it from watching you"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 60
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2014-03-29 06:34:21 PM
media2.giphy.com
 
2014-03-29 08:46:36 PM
Kevin Spacey just invited Delegate Frick to a meeting to discuss this in a DC Metro station.

/spoiler alert
 
2014-03-29 08:56:09 PM
Frick said he skipped the recent reception with Spacey to spend time with his children. He might also want to skip any late-night visits to subway platforms until Season 3 is a done deal.
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2014-03-29 09:14:07 PM
That worked out really well for you with the Colts, did it?
 
2014-03-29 10:55:50 PM

ArkAngel: That worked out really well for you with the Colts, did it?


BRB Calling Mayflower...
 
2014-03-29 11:26:45 PM
Since the Supreme Court is so intent on treating corporations like people maybe we will get to see corporations go to prison for extortion.
 
2014-03-29 11:27:47 PM
Production companies do this all the time.  If enough states tell them (or any other company for that matter) to stuff it, maybe they'd stop doing it.  Threatening "eminent domain" however makes you look like a huge douche.
 
2014-03-29 11:28:29 PM
TFA: The amendment does not actually mention "House of Cards." It simply states that the Department of Business and Economic Development "under certain circumstances" can "exercise certain powers of eminent domain" to acquire the property of a film production company that has claimed more than $10 million in tax credits and then ceases filming in the state.

That actually seems like... pretty reasonable legislation.
 
2014-03-29 11:35:30 PM
As someone who lives in Maryland and works in D.C., I'm patiently waiting for my offer of cash to relocate my work area back in state.

Any day now, I'm sure.
 
2014-03-29 11:37:42 PM
They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.
 
2014-03-29 11:43:51 PM
I'd leave the state regardless for them even making that threat.
 
2014-03-29 11:48:37 PM

Mrbogey: They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.


I agree, they should go to a state that doesn't offer ridiculous tax breaks like that.
 
2014-03-29 11:51:38 PM
These tax credits are almost always a screw job. The state never makes its money back.
 
2014-03-29 11:58:39 PM

Chagrin: These tax credits are almost always a screw job. The state never makes its money back.




Tax credits are just welfare for rich people, you know, the job creators.
 
2014-03-30 12:05:49 AM
The Washington Post - is it news, or agitprop for people with room temperature IQs?
 
2014-03-30 12:10:49 AM
How is this any different from Wal-Mart threatening small towns (who no longer have any other retail outlets after Wal-Mart ran them out of business) with relocation to a nearby town unless the town returns millions in sales tax to their stockholders every year instead of using it to pay for roads and schools?

Maybe towns, and I guess states, should get together and agree to not make any deals with businesses that constantly want the roads, infrastructure, and educated employees without having to pay for them. Then again, these are usually the same people that get really upset when employees decide to band together against a business that is taking advantage of the system...
 
2014-03-30 12:11:09 AM

Emposter: As someone who lives in Maryland and works in D.C., I'm patiently waiting for my offer of cash to relocate my work area back in state.

LiberalWeenie: That actually seems like... pretty reasonable legislation


As reasonable as changing the eminent domain rules to satisfy a vindictive impulse is likely to get.
 
2014-03-30 12:11:49 AM

Grote-Man: ArkAngel: That worked out really well for you with the Colts, did it?

BRB Calling Mayflower...


What an apt reference, considering it's the 30 year anniversary of that.
 
2014-03-30 12:16:47 AM
When will Fricks learn to stay away from crap like this? First the Colts and now this?
 
2014-03-30 12:19:06 AM

Mrbogey: They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.


Considering you live in Louisiana which elected Bobby Jindal to governor, you have no room to talk.
 
2014-03-30 12:23:10 AM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Chagrin: These tax credits are almost always a screw job. The state never makes its money back.

Tax credits are just welfare for rich people, you know, the job creators.


It benefits everyone, not just the creators.. It benefits the people that are then hired to work for that company, instead of being unemployed. It benefits local businesses that sell products to that company (or to the people that now have jobs working for that company). It benefits the housing market.. Shoot, I'm all for whatever brings in businesses into a state.  We all know what happens when businesses LEAVE an area, the cities they were in just turn into ghost towns.

$10 million isn't even that much.. Amazon got $43 million just for a warehouse.
 
2014-03-30 12:27:10 AM

ko_kyi: Emposter: As someone who lives in Maryland and works in D.C., I'm patiently waiting for my offer of cash to relocate my work area back in state.
LiberalWeenie: That actually seems like... pretty reasonable legislation

As reasonable as changing the eminent domain rules to satisfy a vindictive impulse is likely to get.


Not really sure why you quoted me for your post...
 
2014-03-30 12:29:51 AM

Emposter: Not really sure why you quoted me for your post...


Sorry, meant to respond to LiberalWeenie.  Disregard any unintended content, por favor.
 
2014-03-30 12:38:13 AM
There is nothing keeping them from hopping from tax haven to tax haven. we really should find a way to stop this tragedy of the commons shiat.
 
2014-03-30 12:44:07 AM

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.

Considering you live in Louisiana which elected Bobby Jindal to governor, you have no room to talk.


Uh ok...

Ranking- State- Unemployment rate
8          LOUISIANA-4.5

17        MARYLAND-5.7

When the "retard" is outclassing the "smart" kids, you might want to consider that you've improperly assessed aptitude.
 
2014-03-30 12:48:43 AM

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.

Considering you live in Louisiana which elected Bobby Jindal to governor, you have no room to talk.

Uh ok...

Ranking- State- Unemployment rate
8          LOUISIANA-4.5

17        MARYLAND-5.7

When the "retard" is outclassing the "smart" kids, you might want to consider that you've improperly assessed aptitude.


Having oil helps. Otherwise you'd be in the same boat as Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, etc.
 
2014-03-30 12:51:21 AM

SuperT: There is nothing keeping them from hopping from tax haven to tax haven. we really should find a way to stop this tragedy of the commons shiat.


I agree with you.

That shiat really needs to stop.
 
2014-03-30 12:57:34 AM

Mrtraveler01: Having oil helps. Otherwise you'd be in the same boat as Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, etc.


And having terrific weather in a nexus of trade helps (San Francisco) or being a traditional nexus of world finances (New York) and yet here we are.

Yea, we're using our resources to do well. How foolish, indeed!
 
2014-03-30 12:58:55 AM

GrailOfThunder: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Chagrin: These tax credits are almost always a screw job. The state never makes its money back.

Tax credits are just welfare for rich people, you know, the job creators.

It benefits everyone, not just the creators.. It benefits the people that are then hired to work for that company, instead of being unemployed. It benefits local businesses that sell products to that company (or to the people that now have jobs working for that company). It benefits the housing market.. Shoot, I'm all for whatever brings in businesses into a state.  We all know what happens when businesses LEAVE an area, the cities they were in just turn into ghost towns.

$10 million isn't even that much.. Amazon got $43 million just for a warehouse.


They've been getting about $15 million in credits prior to this.According to that story they're projected to meet the same impact as they did in the previous season but according to TFA the $18.5 the legislature is expected to approve might not appease them.  The studio puts out very rosy impact numbers but I've always been pretty skeptical of inflation.
 
2014-03-30 01:08:18 AM
Instead of regulating businesses and writing common sense civilian law they are bending over backwards to give millions in kickbacks to movie producers in the name of jobs.  Of, by, and for whom?
 
2014-03-30 01:11:24 AM

LiberalWeenie: TFA: The amendment does not actually mention "House of Cards." It simply states that the Department of Business and Economic Development "under certain circumstances" can "exercise certain powers of eminent domain" to acquire the property of a film production company that has claimed more than $10 million in tax credits and then ceases filming in the state.

That actually seems like... pretty reasonable legislation.


except for the whole part of the constitution that says a person cannot be deprived of property.  (yes yes i know, Kelo was the single worst Supreme court decision in the history of the supreme court)
 
2014-03-30 01:32:14 AM

GrailOfThunder: It benefits everyone, not just the creators.


No, because they're going to film. Tax codes aren't so onerous that people can't make some money shooting a web series, so the filming is going to happen regardless. And that's going to pay editors and cameramen and all that. Those people have a job.

What they're doing is using their leverage to try to pit states against each other to pay as little as taxes as possible while still using public resources. This is the same industry that relies on the government spending massive amounts of time and resources enforcing copyright protections. But god forbid they pay for that.
 
2014-03-30 01:39:05 AM

ko_kyi: Emposter: Not really sure why you quoted me for your post...

Sorry, meant to respond to LiberalWeenie.  Disregard any unintended content, por favor.


Sorry?  SORRY?  I'm here, just minding my own business, sarcastically trolling, when WHAM, blindsided by random quoting!  How am I supposed to recover from this?  HRMMMMMMMMMM?  You think we can just go back to the way things were before I was quoted?  The world is forever changed!  There IS no going back.  I hope it was worth it.  I hope you're HAPPY.  *Runs off wailing*
 
2014-03-30 01:39:48 AM

Fart_Machine: The studio puts out very rosy impact numbers but I've always been pretty skeptical of inflation.


I could imagine the whole production costing quite a bit, but are they including things like the salary of an Academy-Award winning actor, who would technically be responsible for paying income tax, even though the vast majority of actors' salaries would not be spent in the state, and therefore add very little to the economy? I'm skeptical as well that the salaries of local people hired and money spent at local businesses would add up to the $18 million tax credit over the course of the production season. I know, secondary movement of money and all, but is the state truly getting their money's worth? It's not like people are drawn to the production who will spend money locally, like they would at a sporting event.
 
2014-03-30 01:53:36 AM
Funny, I seem to remember reading an article about "The Wire" where the folks in Annapolis/Baltimore didn't like the way the show portrayed Baltimore and threatened to withhold the tax credits.....

The production folks said, "ok, Philadelphia would love for us to relocate to PA..."

MD: "Great, so your show will focus on Philadelphia's problems, not Baltimore's...."

Production: "Nope, we'll still be harshing on Baltimore, just filming in Philly...."

MD: "you have such a great show, no need in changing anything.., glad you call Baltimore home..."

While there are states trying to play games, Georgia has been very aggressive with their recruiting of films, by not only offering generous tax credits to movie makers, but also allowing Georgia residents the opportunity to buy unused credits as a way to offset our state taxes...  It should not surprise anyone that the largest studio east of Hollywood is being established northeast of Atlanta...
 
2014-03-30 01:54:15 AM
Okay, House of Cards cost $100 million for the first two seasons, or $50 million / year. Out of that, Kevin Spacey got somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million, and Robin Wright either 3 or 4, depending on who you ask. Take out music licensing, director and first unit crew, equipment costs (I don't believe there are any camera manufacturers in Maryland), personal assistants for all the major players (most have their own who travel with them), and travel expenses other than local hotels. Then deduct the salaries all the guild actors who are not residents of Maryland, as well as post-production work including digital effects.

I'm not sure that they really do spend $15 million/year in the state on this production.. I would be surprised if that were the case. They're basically shooting there for free.
 
2014-03-30 01:59:48 AM

jpo2269: While there are states trying to play games


I'm not understanding what you mean here. "Playing games" means trying to get someone to pay somewhat lower taxes than everyone else in exchange for using the same roads, infrastructure, and educated population, instead of basically handing them money just to use your state as a backdrop?

The people that they hire did not get educated for free. Taxes paid for that. The roads that the production crew drives on were not free. Taxes paid for that. The buildings they are filming were not free. Taxes paid for that. The production company is the one "playing games" and demanding for free what everyone else has to pay for.
 
2014-03-30 02:07:25 AM
House of Cards occupies half the newsroom of the Baltimore Sun. They put up a wall and halved its size. On one side of the wall, you have the scant remains of a functioning newspaper. On the other half of the wall, you have people pretending to be journalists. I'm sure they're paid better.
 
2014-03-30 04:10:30 AM

ArkAngel: That worked out really well for you with the Colts, did it?


That's a significant piece of Maryland history, and yet no Marylanders remembers it, or at least won't acknowledge that it happened.  It was my first thought when I read the headline, but I'm actually pleasantly surprised to see someone already went there.

\\ Native Marylander
 
2014-03-30 04:13:02 AM

Mrtraveler01: What an apt reference, considering it's the 30 year anniversary of that.


And that was my second thought...

Wow Fark, you should congratulate yourself on nailing this one...
 
2014-03-30 05:59:45 AM

Triumph: House of Cards occupies half the newsroom of the Baltimore Sun. They put up a wall and halved its size. On one side of the wall, you have the scant remains of a functioning newspaper. On the other half of the wall, you have people pretending to be journalists. I'm sure they're paid better.


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2014-03-30 06:16:07 AM

Chagrin: These tax credits are almost always a screw job. The state never makes its money back.


Here in PA they set up something called "Keystone Opportunity Zones".  They were supposed to spur development in areas that desperately needed it, but here in Philadelphia, they set up two in the middle of downtown, one of which was for Comcast.

The City Comptroller just audited them and found that for each employee who worked the in zones the city LOST $14,000/year.
 
2014-03-30 08:03:35 AM
Ox,

True or false, the very same roads, education system and other infrastructure HOC used during filming were already there and would be there regardless of the show filming in Maryland?

Using Georgia as an example, the state is not getting rich off of Anchor Man2 being partially filmed there, the state however is making money off of the volume of films being produced in the state.  Not surprisingly, the State of Maryland is being extremely shortsighted and it would not surprise me if HOC were to move production to the other side of the Potomac.
 
2014-03-30 08:17:17 AM

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.

Considering you live in Louisiana which elected Bobby Jindal to governor, you have no room to talk.

Uh ok...

Ranking- State- Unemployment rate
8          LOUISIANA-4.5

17        MARYLAND-5.7

When the "retard" is outclassing the "smart" kids, you might want to consider that you've improperly assessed aptitude.


Except that Louisiana is a derpy shiathole which, outside of the oil industry, would be near the top of any lists of per capita poverty, per capita minimum wage jobs, those without healthcare insurance, and state income tax rates for people making less than $50,000.
 
2014-03-30 09:09:47 AM

GrailOfThunder: Amazon got $43 million just for a warehouse.


That is being actively used.  I don't think any of you have picked up on this, but they stopped filming after getting the tax breaks.  The cessation of filming is why the legislation was introduced.  It's as if that warehouse that Amazon got was just sitting there.

Warlordtrooper: except for the whole part of the constitution that says a person cannot be deprived of property. (yes yes i know, Kelo was the single worst Supreme court decision in the history of the supreme court)


You left out the "without due process" part, which this law (assuming I've read it correctly) provides for.

jpo2269: True or false, the very same roads, education system and other infrastructure HOC used during filming were already there and would be there regardless of the show filming in Maryland?


True or false:  roads have an upkeep cost.
 
2014-03-30 09:10:19 AM
Original Letter:
...We know that the General Assembly is in session, and understand legislation must be introduced to increase the program's [Maryland Film Production Employment Act] funding... We are ready to assist in any way possible to help with the passage of the bill.

We wanted you to be aware that while we had planned to begin filming in early spring, we have decided to push back the start date for filming until June to ensure there has been a positive outcome of the legislation. In the event sufficiEnt incentives do not become available, we will have to break down our stage, sets and offices and set up in another state.


Well they certainly didn't get their writers to draft that letter.

Also:
A similar letter went to the speaker of the House of Delegates, Michael E. Busch (D-Anne Arundel)...

That man has been in power almost since I was born. He's dealt with governors going back to Willie Don Schaefer and this is his 11th year as a speaker. Threatening him is not the smartest move.

Hey MRC,
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-30 09:11:12 AM

IntertubeUser: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: They should just go to a state that doesn't elect retards.

Considering you live in Louisiana which elected Bobby Jindal to governor, you have no room to talk.

Uh ok...

Ranking- State- Unemployment rate
8          LOUISIANA-4.5

17        MARYLAND-5.7

When the "retard" is outclassing the "smart" kids, you might want to consider that you've improperly assessed aptitude.

Except that Louisiana is a derpy shiathole which, outside of the oil industry, would be near the top of any lists of per capita poverty, per capita minimum wage jobs, those without healthcare insurance, and state income tax rates for people making less than $50,000.


Intertube:

I'll agree with you to a point. I lived a year and a half in Loozy-anna. Unemployment stats are intentionally deceiving, and the Jindal-philes like to use those numbers. Here's a few things left out of those numbers that give you a better picture of how farked the employment situation is there:

1) First and foremost, the state legislature cut the unemployment payouts after briefly extending them. If there's no benefits to be received, you aren't going to register for them, and the numbers will go down.

2) Can't find it anywhere, but I recall seeing that almost 8% of the state's population is employed out of the state. Many work in Texas in the gas industry, and a good chunk have jobs at the casinos in Mississippi.

3) Drug trade is big in New Orleans. Can't put it politely, but the heroin trade in the Big Easy is employing a lot of people who don't pay taxes, nor do they register as unemploymed. Makes anything you saw in the Wire look like Sesame Street. I was offered some "party supplies" by the concierge at a very exclusive hotel (Le Pavillon), and thought he meant weed. Went down to meet "Chauncey" on Royal St, stepped into his very well designed office, and soon learned we were talking about two totally different party supplies. He then gave me his card, if I changed my mind, and directed me to a nice, well dressed gentleman who does his business at the Old Absinthe House. Amsterdam was less conspicuous.

4) Lastly, if you go to some of the bedroom communities around smaller cities like Natchitoches, you'll find plenty of retirees and pensioners. It's true, no one's retiring to Maryland. But retirees don't exactly represent generated income, either. Property taxes, at most.

TL; DR- Louisiana's economy ain't exactly booming, and the unemployment stats don't mean shiat.
 
2014-03-30 09:15:15 AM
Tax Cuts -It's different when we do it.
 
2014-03-30 09:19:45 AM
That is a real good way of drawing other studios to come film in your state.
 
2014-03-30 10:00:00 AM

IntertubeUser: Except that Louisiana is a derpy shiathole which, outside of the oil industry, would be near the top of any lists of per capita poverty, per capita minimum wage jobs, those without healthcare insurance, and state income tax rates for people making less than $50,000.


Well I suppose if you ignore any positives then all we'll see are negatives. Would it be fIr to say that New York and California are desolate shiatholes if we ignore folks in the entertainment, technical, or financial industry?
 
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