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(Yahoo)   RIP USS Miami, SSN-755, decommissioned today and headed off to the scrap yard. A boat that proudly served in three different conflicts was destroyed by a lazy shipyard worker who wanted to leave work early   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 156
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 04:35:46 PM  
It took 12 hours and the efforts of more than 100 firefighters to save the vessel.

"Save"?

I wish they could cut up the worker and sell off the parts for salvage value.
 
2014-03-29 05:05:45 PM  
FTFA - Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

Does the Navy go after the costs incurred as a result of this?  Maybe take it out of his paycheck while working in prison?
 
2014-03-29 05:07:54 PM  
Considering how many people are in the military, I'm actually kind of impressed this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.  Statistically speaking.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 05:11:22 PM  
He was ordered to pay $400 million restitution. If you work a regular job only part of your paycheck can be seized to pay debts. Prison might be different.
 
2014-03-29 05:34:50 PM  
www.ibiblio.org
They said the reactor will be taken to Idaho.  Will that require them to pass through...Montana?
 
2014-03-29 06:04:14 PM  
And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.
 
2014-03-29 07:05:52 PM  
It will make fine metal for another empty Chinese tower.

/just watched VICE's report on America's scrapping economy
 
2014-03-29 08:31:05 PM  
A ship is made out of metal.  Just common metal.

The crew is what makes a ship great.
 
2014-03-29 08:31:06 PM  
<i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?
 
2014-03-29 08:31:18 PM  
You would think a nuclear sub would have a better fire suppression system.
 
2014-03-29 08:34:03 PM  
You would think they would better screen these people.
 
2014-03-29 08:34:12 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You would think a nuclear sub would have a better fire suppression system.


It was off due to the work being done
 
2014-03-29 08:34:18 PM  
KITTERY, Maine: . . . They will make enough repairs so that the submarine can be towed to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Washington state

Hope they have a premium AAA account, because that's a long tow.
 
2014-03-29 08:35:58 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?


It was in the shipyard, so not only was its own fire-supression system turned off, there was tons of flammable material that wouldn't otherwise be there scattered around.
 
2014-03-29 08:37:15 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?


You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.
 
2014-03-29 08:38:00 PM  
He sought an excuse to leave work early. Now he has 17 years to think about how nice a regular job would be.
 
2014-03-29 08:38:01 PM  

Uzzah: KITTERY, Maine: . . . They will make enough repairs so that the submarine can be towed to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Washington state

Hope they have a premium AAA account, because that's a long tow.


I have a sweet 21ft Crownline and a nice ski rope. I'll pull that biatch if the price is right.
 
2014-03-29 08:39:01 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?


In such a contained space and considering hte materials inside, the fire gets extremely hot very fast. like melty hot.
 
2014-03-29 08:43:40 PM  

Uzzah: KITTERY, Maine: . . . They will make enough repairs so that the submarine can be towed to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Washington state

Hope they have a premium AAA account, because that's a long tow.


They're going through Montana.
 
2014-03-29 08:43:51 PM  
Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?

If floating it saves so much money by taking a relatively long route from the Snake River down the Colombia and all the way around Juan De Fuca, why not fix it sooner and utilize the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers as well?
 
2014-03-29 08:44:02 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?


Ships are at their most vulnerable when not manned and in port. The automatic suppression system was turned off....which seems very silly to have the entire system turned off....the decks were probably filled with many other combustible things due to work being done. It does seem silly that a simple fire could do so much damage but huge amounts of damage can be done by someone with malicious intent.
 
2014-03-29 08:44:29 PM  

NightOwl2255: TheGreatGazoo: You would think a nuclear sub would have a better fire suppression system.

It was off due to the work being done


Had this discussion back when it happened. The primary fire suppression system is the 300 or so submariners crowding the submarine.
 
2014-03-29 08:45:16 PM  

puffy999: Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?

If floating it saves so much money by taking a relatively long route from the Snake River down the Colombia and all the way around Juan De Fuca, why not fix it sooner and utilize the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers as well?


It's HY80, due to the fire, it's been tempered in the wrong way.  There's no fixing that hull.
 
2014-03-29 08:45:43 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

In such a contained space and considering hte materials inside, the fire gets extremely hot very fast. like melty hot.


This, it basically becomes a blast furnace,
 
2014-03-29 08:45:46 PM  
Now that dumbass worker isn't going to go home for years, if ever at all (come on you guys with shanks. Don't fail us now).
 
2014-03-29 08:46:10 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?


More blood for the blood god.  The military over pays for everything and everyone gets their palms greased on the side.  Nam was nothing more than a made up scenario to go to war to sell US new hardware.
 
2014-03-29 08:46:20 PM  

DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.


Well actually only one of those is probably painful in any meaningful way. The 1st and 3rd leave a godawful mess for whoever cleans up after you, particularly the first one, but you'd be unlikely to feel a thing.

Doesn't make it any less horrible of course.

...and fark this guy who burnt up that boat. Arson to get off work early? I'm usually against really lengthy setences since people lose perspective on just how long 5-10-20 years is but this guy... 17 doesn't seem like enough.
 
2014-03-29 08:47:21 PM  

ZAZ: It took 12 hours and the efforts of more than 100 firefighters to save the vessel.

"Save"?

I wish they could cut up the worker and sell off the parts for salvage value.


Dibs on his liver.
 
2014-03-29 08:47:22 PM  

rohar: It's HY80, due to the fire, it's been tempered in the wrong way. There's no fixing that hull.


The context of the rest of my comment is somewhat important. They're going to float this thing per the article, so that is what I meant by "fix."
 
2014-03-29 08:48:53 PM  

subfactorial: DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.

Well actually only one of those is probably painful in any meaningful way. The 1st and 3rd leave a godawful mess for whoever cleans up after you, particularly the first one, but you'd be unlikely to feel a thing.

Doesn't make it any less horrible of course.

...and fark this guy who burnt up that boat. Arson to get off work early? I'm usually against really lengthy setences since people lose perspective on just how long 5-10-20 years is but this guy... 17 doesn't seem like enough.


Man On Pink Corner forgot about being eviscerated by a leak in a high pressure pipe.  Just walking along and there's a microscopic leak in a 5000lb pipe.  You can't even see it.  Then the top half of your body leaves the bottom half. 

Being a submariner, good times.
 
2014-03-29 08:50:04 PM  

puffy999: rohar: It's HY80, due to the fire, it's been tempered in the wrong way. There's no fixing that hull.

The context of the rest of my comment is somewhat important. They're going to float this thing per the article, so that is what I meant by "fix."


Because I'm not sure you can get something the size of a nuclear submarine up the Missouri River that far.  And I don't even know if they've linked the Columbia River to the Mississippi River system with canals or not.  I don't think they have.
 
2014-03-29 08:50:22 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?


Paint burns, wires burn, chairs and bedding and curtains (every bunk has one) burn.  Papers, they burn too.  Computers burn. There's a ton of stuff in every ship that can burn.  Do you think these are sterile stainless steel operating room (stuff in there that can burn too) vessels where everyone walks, sleeps, and lives on bare stainless steel?  In the case of an actual war, there are repair lockers manned by people like myself that are trained to not only do my regular job (avionics in my case), but also to fight fires, seal ruptures in pipes, contain flooding, defend your right to be stupid, many other jobs.
 
2014-03-29 08:51:04 PM  
Big machine damaged & scrapped, why this is SAD eludes me.
 
2014-03-29 08:52:05 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.


It wasn't being built, it was undergoing maintenance.  The insurance companies are on the hook and the contractor may have his rates go up after a hit like that.  The navy is out a ship that still had useful life and the replacements are more capable but will be in fewer numbers and not in service for years.  No one is happy about that loss for such a stupid reason.
 
2014-03-29 08:53:16 PM  

the_celt: FTFA - Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

Does the Navy go after the costs incurred as a result of this?  Maybe take it out of his paycheck while working in prison?


Yeah, IIRC he was fined $450MM.  It's totally symbolic of course.
 
2014-03-29 08:54:10 PM  
Holy shiat, dude. Treason much?
 
2014-03-29 08:54:32 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: In such a contained space and considering hte materials inside, the fire gets extremely hot very fast. like melty hot.


Sort of like this?

scienceblogs.com
 
2014-03-29 08:55:50 PM  

NEDM: Because I'm not sure you can get something the size of a nuclear submarine up the Missouri River that far. And I don't even know if they've linked the Columbia River to the Mississippi River system with canals or not. I don't think they have.


I'm not suggesting the whole distance, obviously. However, if towing that far would save so much money relative to the MUCH shorter driving distance between Boise (? I don't know where that facility is) and Bremerton, other river systems could be utilized to some degree. Even shipping to Pittsburgh and towing to some location on the Mississippi should then be somewhat cost effective, IF indeed it could be fixed to such a degree on the east coast.
 
2014-03-29 08:56:28 PM  

NEDM: puffy999: rohar: It's HY80, due to the fire, it's been tempered in the wrong way. There's no fixing that hull.

The context of the rest of my comment is somewhat important. They're going to float this thing per the article, so that is what I meant by "fix."

Because I'm not sure you can get something the size of a nuclear submarine up the Missouri River that far.  And I don't even know if they've linked the Columbia River to the Mississippi River system with canals or not.  I don't think they have.


From the Wiki (I know, not the most reliable) the draft is 30ft, so you're not going up the Missouri. They try to keep the channel at a minimum of 9.

I guess you -could- put it on a barge, but then your second part comes into play...there is no link between the Missouri and the Columbia. You can't even navigate up the Missouri with barges much farther than Omaha before you start running into large dams with no locks.
 
2014-03-29 08:56:50 PM  
Crazy guy like the guy at Norfolk.
 
2014-03-29 08:58:48 PM  

BalugaJoe: You would think they would better screen these people.


more dumb asses work at the shipyards than any where else
 
2014-03-29 08:59:06 PM  

DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.


Not to make this a gore fest but they called the A-7 the man-eater for a reason
 
2014-03-29 08:59:32 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.


The big contractors self-insure.
 
2014-03-29 08:59:56 PM  
Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?
 
2014-03-29 09:00:15 PM  

puffy999: NEDM: Because I'm not sure you can get something the size of a nuclear submarine up the Missouri River that far. And I don't even know if they've linked the Columbia River to the Mississippi River system with canals or not. I don't think they have.

I'm not suggesting the whole distance, obviously. However, if towing that far would save so much money relative to the MUCH shorter driving distance between Boise (? I don't know where that facility is) and Bremerton, other river systems could be utilized to some degree. Even shipping to Pittsburgh and towing to some location on the Mississippi should then be somewhat cost effective, IF indeed it could be fixed to such a degree on the east coast.


It is much MUCH cheaper to hire a tug to tow the hulk from Maine to Washington than it would to try and lift a 5750 ton submarine out of the water and try and truck it over the Rocky Mountains.  In fact, I don't know if there is even a truck that can carry something that big in the US.  If there is, its daily rate is much MUCH MUCH more than the rate for a single ocean-going tug.
 
2014-03-29 09:01:05 PM  

vincentfox: Big machine damaged & scrapped, why this is SAD eludes me.


Because it's a billion dollar machine built at taxpayers' expense and completely destroyed by an intentionally-set fire.

Suppose that 10 years ago a Space Shuttle had been destroyed in similar fashion without loss of life (and before becoming a museum piece). Would you have been sad about that?
 
2014-03-29 09:02:05 PM  

puffy999: Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?


Let me guess, you have no idea what happens in the sub fleet in Idaho?
 
2014-03-29 09:02:16 PM  

puffy999: Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?


The sub is not going to Idaho.  That is where the reactor fuel is going.  The sub itself is going to Puget Sound.

The reactor fuel has already been removed.  That's what they just spent 50 million dollars doing.
 
2014-03-29 09:04:36 PM  

puffy999: Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?


Remember the sub has the whole nuclear reactor thing too. I'm guessing finding a ship yard that has security clearances and the ability to decommission vessels with nuclear reactors is just a touch harder than finding one that will cut apart an old barge.
 
2014-03-29 09:05:11 PM  

puffy999: Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?


The sub isn't going to Idaho, only the nuclear bits are going there, and they can fit on trucks or train cars. The remainder of the sub will be towed to Washington, and scrapped there. Does that make more sense?
 
2014-03-29 09:05:59 PM  
Meh. It's a boat.
 
2014-03-29 09:06:35 PM  
HA! I totally read the sentence incorrectly in the article.

If only someone had just posted that paragraph, or if I'd re-read it earlier, this could have been avoided.
 
2014-03-29 09:07:10 PM  
I misread the article as if the SUB were going to be shipped to Idaho, that was the entire point. It made no farking sense to me why that would take place.
 
2014-03-29 09:07:53 PM  
Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

i.imgur.com

The Fury!!!
 
2014-03-29 09:08:15 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.


No more LA-class boats anymore.  They're now Seawolf-class Fast Attacks.  Won't build more until the oldest LA-class reach end-of-service, and it may be more economical to just replace the nuke fuel, given the current state of foreign boats in service.
 
2014-03-29 09:08:28 PM  
I worked with a guy who was a Nuke tech or whatever they call it, in the Navy.  He was on a boomer sub.  Said the most scared he was going to die his whole time in the Navy was leaving the shipyards.  Hated the yard workers.  One guy welded clear through the control cable leading from the Con to the nuke.  Another was not following procedure carrying wrenches up the ladder, dropped it like 30 feet onto a crewman and fractured his skull. There were plenty more stories, from just one visit to the yards.

After that he was sure their first cruise out would be their last.
 
2014-03-29 09:10:26 PM  

indy_kid: ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.

No more LA-class boats anymore.  They're now Seawolf-class Fast Attacks.  Won't build more until the oldest LA-class reach end-of-service, and it may be more economical to just replace the nuke fuel, given the current state of foreign boats in service.


There were only  3 hulls in the Seawolf class.  That's history.  Virginia class, on the other hand....
 
2014-03-29 09:13:18 PM  
Holy crap, that's a lot of money. Almost enough to put a temporary bike path on the bay bridge!
 
2014-03-29 09:13:38 PM  

rohar: subfactorial: DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.

Well actually only one of those is probably painful in any meaningful way. The 1st and 3rd leave a godawful mess for whoever cleans up after you, particularly the first one, but you'd be unlikely to feel a thing.

Doesn't make it any less horrible of course.

...and fark this guy who burnt up that boat. Arson to get off work early? I'm usually against really lengthy setences since people lose perspective on just how long 5-10-20 years is but this guy... 17 doesn't seem like enough.

Man On Pink Corner forgot about being eviscerated by a leak in a high pressure pipe.  Just walking along and there's a microscopic leak in a 5000lb pipe.  You can't even see it.  Then the top half of your body leaves the bottom half. 

Being a submariner, good times.


That one isn't just a risk for submariners. I knew some guys in the merchant marines (engineer types) who would walk around with a stick in front of them just to catch shiat like that before it clipped one half of them from the other.

Could be BS but I believe it. Superheated steam is sharp.
 
2014-03-29 09:14:32 PM  

buzzcut73: puffy999: Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?

The sub isn't going to Idaho, only the nuclear bits are going there, and they can fit on trucks or train cars. The remainder of the sub will be towed to Washington, and scrapped there. Does that make more sense?


Towing it from Maine to Washington makes MUCH more sense than towing it to Idaho.
 
2014-03-29 09:15:28 PM  

puffy999: Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?

If floating it saves so much money by taking a relatively long route from the Snake River down the Colombia and all the way around Juan De Fuca, why not fix it sooner and utilize the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers as well?


Puget Sound is the only place equipped to remove the reactor from a boat because it's the closest Naval facility to the normal resting place for reactors. Every single nuclear powered boat or ship that's been decommissioned (save one, which is a museum ship) has gone there. If it's going to Idaho it's possible that they plan on setting up the reactor compartment for training. At one time there was a reactor built there specifically to train new reactor operators and the people operating the rest of the engineering plant (steam, cooling water, lube oil and so on) before they went to the fleet. I only say this because the usual fate of submarine reactors is in a big pit over in Hanford WA. In those cases Puget Sound removes the fuel, cuts out the entire reactor compartment, caps off both ends with a couple of inches of steel then barges it off for a trip up the Columbia. When it gets to Hanford it's taken off of the barge and s.l.o.w.l.y. moved inland to a huge pit where, last time I heard, there are over 100 other similarly prepared reactor compartments. When that pit is filled it will be capped off and left alone for some 600 years. The rest of the boat is salvaged for parts that can be refurbished and reused elsewhere in the navy and then the rest is sold for scrap.

As to fixing it the cost to do that was higher than the cost of a new boat. A submarine fire in the shipyard isn't quite as bad as one at sea. In the shipyard there are open hatches for the heat to get out as well as hull cuts (used to remove large pieces of gear that can't fit through a hatch). That being said there is much more damage than possible heat damage to the hull. Smoke carries acids that coat electronics rendering them essentially worthless in a short amount of time. The heat can damage valve guts and mechanical joints, each of which has to be opened up, inspected and repaired then put back in place then tested to either level one or subsafe standards. Every inch of wiring also has to be inspected (and there are literally hundreds of miles of wires in a modern submarine). All of that costs money with no guarantee that there still won't be some problems later on, and believe me when I say that nobody wants to be at test depth on a boat that is even a tiny bit questionable materially speaking. I took a boat out of Newport News after a refueling overhaul back in the 80's and the stories I could tell you would scare the crap out of you. Several seawater valves that had bolts that were only hand tight was probably one of the worst ones but there were other problems too. We ended up being about 6 months overdue for leaving while the shipyard went over everything that they worked on with a fine toothed comb.
 
2014-03-29 09:17:33 PM  

mr intrepid: ZAZ: It took 12 hours and the efforts of more than 100 firefighters to save the vessel.

"Save"?

I wish they could cut up the worker and sell off the parts for salvage value.

Dibs on his liver.


Kidneys here, please.

\oh who am I kidding, my blood type is a frickin' death sentence if anything ever goes wrong
 
2014-03-29 09:17:35 PM  

Ambivalence: Considering how many people are in the military, I'm actually kind of impressed this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.  Statistically speaking.


He wasn't in the military, he was a civilian worker at the shipyard where it was being worked on.
 
2014-03-29 09:18:02 PM  

rohar: subfactorial: DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.

Well actually only one of those is probably painful in any meaningful way. The 1st and 3rd leave a godawful mess for whoever cleans up after you, particularly the first one, but you'd be unlikely to feel a thing.

Doesn't make it any less horrible of course.

...and fark this guy who burnt up that boat. Arson to get off work early? I'm usually against really lengthy setences since people lose perspective on just how long 5-10-20 years is but this guy... 17 doesn't seem like enough.

Man On Pink Corner forgot about being eviscerated by a leak in a high pressure pipe.  Just walking along and there's a microscopic leak in a 5000lb pipe.  You can't even see it.  Then the top half of your body leaves the bottom half. 

Being a submariner, good times.


Let's not forget allv the fun and interesting ways to get dosed. Won't kill you immediately...but later ain't gonna be much fun either.

/SSBN626
//MT
///2 black badges in 6 years, only glow in the dark during the new moon
 
2014-03-29 09:19:20 PM  
Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

Do people not know how to fake a headache anymore?
 
2014-03-29 09:19:23 PM  
Weird. I was just thinking about my first boat which was SSN757. Wonder how the ol' Alexandria is doing.
 
2014-03-29 09:20:23 PM  
Ah, one of the boats I toured at Groton's sub base... along with the Jimmy Carter and Texas.

/had lunch onboard the Miami, taco salad
/csb
 
2014-03-29 09:22:04 PM  
That asshole intentionally set fire to a motherfarking nuclear submarine and all he gets is 17 years?
 
2014-03-29 09:22:25 PM  

Mztlplx: /SSBN626//MT///2 black badges in 6 years, only glow in the dark during the new moon


I forgot about phosgene.  Damnit!  All these years later and I forget how to be afraid of a boat.  BTDT, but I ain't giving up my resume to this pile of skimmers.
 
2014-03-29 09:25:07 PM  
I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708
 
2014-03-29 09:26:30 PM  

puffy999: The context of the rest of my comment is somewhat important. They're going to float this thing per the article, so that is what I meant by "fix."


The route probably has to do with the boats draft. "Fixing" it for a tow is relatively simple. Cap off any seawater entry points below the waterline, close the topside hatches and that's all there is to it.. Almost every single place that water can come into on a boat is made to be capped off by divers with a flange plate using bolts to attach them to facilitate in port repairs without having to go into drydock. I say almost because the shaft seals are the one place where that simply cannot be done, but they will probably take off the screw, lock the shaft and tighten the packing glands to prevent any leaking. After that they will most likely weld on some extra tow points and strengthen the bullnose.
 
2014-03-29 09:26:50 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.


CSB: My cousin is a welder at EB, so he's probably one of the people who'll get to put its replacement together.

\not a job i remotely even want to pretend to want
 
2014-03-29 09:26:52 PM  

iron_city_ap: Towing it from Maine to Washington makes MUCH more sense than towing it to Idaho.


I read it as "shipping," as in trucks. Which makes even less sense. Which was the point before discovering my error.

Radioactive Ass: puffy999: Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?

If floating it saves so much money by taking a relatively long route from the Snake River down the Colombia and all the way around Juan De Fuca, why not fix it sooner and utilize the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers as well?

Puget Sound is the only place equipped to remove the reactor from a boat because it's the closest Naval facility to the normal resting place for reactors. Every single nuclear powered boat or ship that's been decommissioned (save one, which is a museum ship) has gone there. If it's going to Idaho it's possible that they plan on setting up the reactor compartment for training. At one time there was a reactor built there specifically to train new reactor operators and the people operating the rest of the engineering plant (steam, cooling water, lube oil and so on) before they went to the fleet. I only say this because the usual fate of submarine reactors is in a big pit over in Hanford WA. In those cases Puget Sound removes the fuel, cuts out the entire reactor compartment, caps off both ends with a couple of inches of steel then barges it off for a trip up the Columbia. When it gets to Hanford it's taken off of the barge and s.l.o.w.l.y. moved inland to a huge pit where, last time I heard, there are over 100 other similarly prepared reactor compartments. When that pit is filled it will be capped off and left alone for some 600 years. The rest of the boat is salvaged for parts that can be refurbished and reused elsewhere in the navy and then the rest is sold for scrap.

As to fixing it the cost to do that was higher than the cost of a new boat. A submarine fire in the shipyard isn't quite as bad as one at sea. In the shipyard there are open hatches for the heat to get out as well as hull cuts (used to remove large pieces of gear that can't fit through a hatch). That being said there is much more damage than possible heat damage to the hull. Smoke carries acids that coat electron ...


A++ would read again.

Though, again, misreading part of the article doesn't help.
 
2014-03-29 09:26:55 PM  

Bigjohn3592: I worked with a guy who was a Nuke tech or whatever they call it, in the Navy.  He was on a boomer sub.  Said the most scared he was going to die his whole time in the Navy was leaving the shipyards.  Hated the yard workers.  One guy welded clear through the control cable leading from the Con to the nuke.  Another was not following procedure carrying wrenches up the ladder, dropped it like 30 feet onto a crewman and fractured his skull. There were plenty more stories, from just one visit to the yards.


Someone wanted vents on the condensers of our AC units, so some idiot yard worker machined steel plugs with copper tubing, and a brass valve at the end.  About a month out of the yard, one of those plugs blew out; the corrosion caused by the dissimilar metals (steel and the brass tank of the condenser) ate most of the threads.  A 50-PSI stream of water sprayed into a $10K electric motor, destroying it.

I was first on scene and stopped the flooding after a few moments; just had to reach behind me to shut off the motor supplying cooling water to the condenser, then close some butterfly isolation valves.  To swap out the motor, we had to cut through 2 decks, then replace the flooring over each after the cutouts were welding back into place.   Fortunately, we had the evidence, so the shipyard ended up paying for the repairs.

The really scary part was all this 50-PSI seawater spraying around the room and onto our Auxiliary Electrical Distribution Panel.  It was carrying about 900KW at the time.  If the water had contacted anything energized on the Board, I would have been killed instantly (standing in 2-3" of saltwater), and responders would have walked into a really bad scene.
 
2014-03-29 09:26:55 PM  

Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708


Somebody has to keep the surface targets honest.
 
2014-03-29 09:27:35 PM  

Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708


I was also briefly on the 710 (USS Boston). The joke was that 710 upside down and backwards spelled OIL, which is why the engines leaked so much.
 
2014-03-29 09:27:49 PM  

HotWingAgenda: That asshole intentionally set fire to a motherfarking nuclear submarine and all he gets is 17 years?


Well, no one died. Had someone died, it would have been a life sentence.
 
2014-03-29 09:27:59 PM  

rohar: Sea


Yep yep. The Sea Wolf class was too expensive, and they nicknamed the USS Sea Wolf the "Pier Wolf" due to upkeep.
The USS Texas is a shiny new Virginia class boat, the class meant to replace the Sea Wolf class.
 
2014-03-29 09:28:32 PM  

Mztlplx: Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708

Somebody has to keep the surface targets honest.


As hard as we try, it ain't never gonna happen.
 
2014-03-29 09:28:56 PM  

FriarReb98: ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.

CSB: My cousin is a welder at EB, so he's probably one of the people who'll get to put its replacement together.

\not a job i remotely even want to pretend to want


Any idea how the money is? I hear it is good.
 
2014-03-29 09:32:41 PM  

Bigjohn3592: I worked with a guy who was a Nuke tech or whatever they call it, in the Navy.  He was on a boomer sub.  Said the most scared he was going to die his whole time in the Navy was leaving the shipyards.  Hated the yard workers.  One guy welded clear through the control cable leading from the Con to the nuke.  Another was not following procedure carrying wrenches up the ladder, dropped it like 30 feet onto a crewman and fractured his skull. There were plenty more stories, from just one visit to the yards.

After that he was sure their first cruise out would be their last.


I lucked out on this being a Marine, but all the sailors I served with said that they ended up spending the first month or so out of the shipyards fixing the stuff the yardworkers farked up




Agent Nick Fury: DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.

Not to make this a gore fest but they called the A-7 the man-eater for a reason


Not just the A-7s out to get ya...
 
2014-03-29 09:32:44 PM  

sooprd8ve: Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

Paint burns, wires burn, chairs and bedding and curtains (every bunk has one) burn.  Papers, they burn too.  Computers burn. There's a ton of stuff in every ship that can burn.  Do you think these are sterile stainless steel operating room (stuff in there that can burn too) vessels where everyone walks, sleeps, and lives on bare stainless steel?  In the case of an actual war, there are repair lockers manned by people like myself that are trained to not only do my regular job (avionics in my case), but also to fight fires, seal ruptures in pipes, contain flooding, defend your right to be stupid, many other jobs.


He's probably not a sub guy and has never been on a submarine. His question seems stupid but it isn't as obvious as you would think.
 
2014-03-29 09:34:35 PM  
If only submarines were surrounded by a substance commonly used to douse fires.
 
2014-03-29 09:34:46 PM  

ActionJoe: Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

Ships are at their most vulnerable when not manned and in port. The automatic suppression system was turned off....which seems very silly to have the entire system turned off....the decks were probably filled with many other combustible things due to work being done. It does seem silly that a simple fire could do so much damage but huge amounts of damage can be done by someone with malicious intent.


Weren't they doing welding?  And, if so, wouldn't that trigger the suppression system?  Probably easiest just to turn the whole system off, than parts of it...if you can even shut down just a portion.

(just speculating, no expertise in the field)
 
2014-03-29 09:38:05 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: If only submarines were surrounded by a substance commonly used to douse fires.


If only that substance wasn't incredibly corrosive when sprayed on electronics and metal.

And if only the submarine wasn't in drydock high-and-dry out of that substance.
 
2014-03-29 09:39:37 PM  

puffy999: Basically, why even bother floating and towing it if they are going to ship the thing all the way to Idaho, unless that's literally the only place that can handle the sub?


The nuclear fuel is going to Idaho, the sub is bei g towed to Puget Sound.
 
2014-03-29 09:48:27 PM  

NEDM: puffy999: NEDM: Because I'm not sure you can get something the size of a nuclear submarine up the Missouri River that far. And I don't even know if they've linked the Columbia River to the Mississippi River system with canals or not. I don't think they have.

I'm not suggesting the whole distance, obviously. However, if towing that far would save so much money relative to the MUCH shorter driving distance between Boise (? I don't know where that facility is) and Bremerton, other river systems could be utilized to some degree. Even shipping to Pittsburgh and towing to some location on the Mississippi should then be somewhat cost effective, IF indeed it could be fixed to such a degree on the east coast.

It is much MUCH cheaper to hire a tug to tow the hulk from Maine to Washington than it would to try and lift a 5750 ton submarine out of the water and try and truck it over the Rocky Mountains.  In fact, I don't know if there is even a truck that can carry something that big in the US.  If there is, its daily rate is much MUCH MUCH more than the rate for a single ocean-going tug.


Towing is ultimately the only way this can happen.
 
2014-03-29 09:49:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: If only submarines were surrounded by a substance commonly used to douse fires.


Boats are always refueled while in drydock. If they weren't the hull cuts could cause flooding if the weather gets rough enough.

PunGent: Weren't they doing welding? And, if so, wouldn't that trigger the suppression system? Probably easiest just to turn the whole system off, than parts of it...if you can even shut down just a portion.


It's not that simple. The fire suppression "System" is the crew with fire hoses in normal situations (ie: not in the shipyard). The trim system piping, which is the usual source of fire fighting water, is torn apart while in a major overhaul so there literally is no way to get water to a fire except by hoses strung in through hatches (and that means fouling the hatch making it hard to get in or out, there are already wires, ventilation ducts and so on there already). Even the trim tanks are emptied out for the shipyard to do work inside them. In the shipyard. When welding is going on there is at least one crew member sitting there with a fire extinguisher, two if the welding is on a bulkhead just in case the heat passes through the metal and starts a fire on the other side.

In this particular case the fire was started where there was no welding going on. Odds are there was only one or two guys on watch forward of the reactor compartment. The belowdecks watch and maybe the duty officer, duty chief or the duty section leader. at that stage of an overhaul the crew is told to stay away unless they have actual business on the boat to attend to. The shipyard workers need all of the room that they can get and crew members just standing around slow down the work.

Fires that can't be put out by a single extinguisher are supposed to be fought by the shipyard fire department. They obviously failed massively in this instance.
 
2014-03-29 09:50:49 PM  

Ambivalence: Considering how many people are in the military, I'm actually kind of impressed this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.  Statistically speaking.


I am sure it happens lots. But most people have the sense to not torch the place.
 
2014-03-29 09:54:27 PM  
Csb:
Many years ago I worked for an outfit that had multiple installations on military bases. I was at home in Charleston when there was a fault with some of our equipment done by another team (I supported Marine manufacturing, this was Navy). The Navy team was all away, I was asked to go into the Charleston navy base. No security clearance so two MPS had to escort me saying things like "you are not allowed to look at this. But damn check this out. Very cool" the whole way into a very secure area. I fixed the issue in minutes. Getting bored I went out into the sunlight and was looking at a boomer being worked on. A construction worker walked past and asked if I wanted to go through. Of course I did. He gave me his hard helmet and said he would be back in an hour after lunch. So security.... Not so much.
/csb
 
2014-03-29 09:54:51 PM  

PunGent: ActionJoe: Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

Ships are at their most vulnerable when not manned and in port. The automatic suppression system was turned off....which seems very silly to have the entire system turned off....the decks were probably filled with many other combustible things due to work being done. It does seem silly that a simple fire could do so much damage but huge amounts of damage can be done by someone with malicious intent.

Weren't they doing welding?  And, if so, wouldn't that trigger the suppression system?  Probably easiest just to turn the whole system off, than parts of it...if you can even shut down just a portion.

(just speculating, no expertise in the field)




There is no automated fire suppression system. It's a dude with a fire hose. In the yards most of the duty section is on the barge/building.
 
2014-03-29 09:55:48 PM  

WhackingDay: Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708

I was also briefly on the 710 (USS Boston). The joke was that 710 upside down and backwards spelled OIL, which is why the engines leaked so much.


ssn 642 (after she was turned into a special ops ride)  -- elt

Our joke was that the enemy could hear us coming from a thousand miles away.
 
2014-03-29 09:59:06 PM  
I lucked out on this being a Marine, but all the sailors I served with said that they ended up spending the first month or so out of the shipyards fixing the stuff the yardworkers farked up

Plenty of blame to go around for everybody. One time I was sitting in the office, got a call from a sailor, said they had welded a cracked hydraulic manifold on their torpedo handling system, and the manifold would just crack again. I asked what kind of welding rod they were using, he said just a regular steel rod. I gently informed him the manifold was made of aluminum. There was an "ummmmmm...OK" and I didn't here back from him again.

Navy ships are incredibly complex machines, far more so than planes or spacecraft. Everybody works very hard just trying to keep everything running. Sometimes out of boredom I just sit in a compartment aboard ship and count up the value of all the valves, switchers, sensors, wiring, lights, expensive alloy piping, and so on. One little office, or workshop, or whatever easily contains hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stuff. And it takes people with specialized knowledge just to do the simplest fixes.

Then there was my trip last week to Indian Island Naval Magazine in Washington State, just to replace *one* sprocket on a piece of machinery. Me and my contractor team flew from the east coast, drove up the Olympic Peninsula to the place, went aboard, installed the new sprocket, weight tested the equipment the next, then came back the following day.  Thousands of dollars spent for a simple fix, but there was no other way to do it.

It was a pain in the ass to go all the way out there for that, but on the plus side, I did stay at the hotel in Port Townsend where they filmed the suicide scene for Officer and a Gentleman. Thus I visited another Navy Holy Site, so I got that going for me, which is nice....
 
2014-03-29 10:06:05 PM  

powhound: ssn 642


I helped clean up their Otto Fuel spill back in the mid 80's when it was still stationed out of Holy Loch (they were pulling TMs off of all of the boats to relieve the crew and keep the cleanup going). What a mess that was, we ended up tearing apart the weapon stow locks and pulling up tracks and deck plates because it didn't just spill, it sprayed all over the place and went into every single nook and cranny. That was fun. It took them about 30 days working 24/7 to get the readings back to normal and the stows put back together and weight tested then getting their weapons back on board. Sucking rubber for 12 hours isn't all that much fun, especially when it was on your off duty day.
 
2014-03-29 10:06:20 PM  

ActionJoe: Man On Pink Corner: <i>Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.</i>

I don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

Ships are at their most vulnerable when not manned and in port. The automatic suppression system was turned off....which seems very silly to have the entire system turned off....the decks were probably filled with many other combustible things due to work being done. It does seem silly that a simple fire could do so much damage but huge amounts of damage can be done by someone with malicious intent.


It seems like it...but why would anyone think that some douchebag would deliberately set a fire for such an asinine reason? That's the kind of thing that slips past security and fire control systems planners because rank stupidity is harder to plan for than even terrorism.
 
2014-03-29 10:06:27 PM  
How does a simple arson fire damage a thing mostly made of metal? Honestly curious.
 
2014-03-29 10:12:10 PM  
Pretty messed up when someone thinks "You know, I really don't feel like working on this nuclear sub today. I think I'll set it on fire instead."

I have no idea, but wouldn't a job working on subs in a shipyard pay pretty decent?
 
2014-03-29 10:16:18 PM  

vodka: How does a simple arson fire damage a thing mostly made of metal? Honestly curious.


Mainly because on the inside (where the fire was) there's a lot of flammable materials plus it took them about 12 hours to get the fire put out completely. Then every single mechanical joint has O-rings that need to be replaced, every single valve needs to be rebuilt (more O-Rings plus packing and seats), all of the electronics were exposed to acidic smoke so all of that needs to be replaced, the hull would have to be checked by radiography or other types of non destructive testing and that means stripping off all of the hull insulation (inside and out in the case of a 688). That's just what I can think of off of the top of my head, I'm quite sure that I'm missing a lot more.
 
2014-03-29 10:21:40 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: I have no idea, but wouldn't a job working on subs in a shipyard pay pretty decent?


That depends on the job. In this case a painter. They have a fairly low skill set and they don't need to know much more than what not to paint. I'm willing to bet that they are at the lowest end of the pay spectrum as far as shipyard workers go. Even the guy who sits in a corner pulling a lanyard at regular intervals (and they even have a flashing light telling them when to pull the lanyard) to flush the hydraulic system with steam probably gets paid more.
 
2014-03-29 10:22:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: That's the kind of thing that slips past security and fire control systems planners because rank stupidity is harder to plan for than even terrorism.


Make something idiot-proof and the Universe takes it as a challenge.
 
2014-03-29 10:22:42 PM  
Another Nuke here.

/SSN 23
//SSBN 731
///SSN 783 AD MMCS
 
2014-03-29 10:22:46 PM  
Anyone remember the Midwest floods where an idiot broke the dike, flooding 1000's of acres because he wanted to party with a friend rather than go home to his girlfriend?
 
2014-03-29 10:29:43 PM  

the_celt: FTFA - Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

Does the Navy go after the costs incurred as a result of this?  Maybe take it out of his paycheck while working in prison?


He owes the Navy $400,000,000 in damages, per Wikipedia.
 
2014-03-29 10:29:44 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Dr Jack Badofsky: I have no idea, but wouldn't a job working on subs in a shipyard pay pretty decent?

That depends on the job. In this case a painter. They have a fairly low skill set and they don't need to know much more than what not to paint. I'm willing to bet that they are at the lowest end of the pay spectrum as far as shipyard workers go. Even the guy who sits in a corner pulling a lanyard at regular intervals (and they even have a flashing light telling them when to pull the lanyard) to flush the hydraulic system with steam probably gets paid more.


You're talking about a vessel that spends 95% of it's time completely submerged in corrosive salt water, short of the guys who work on the nuclear reactor, there is no job more critical than paint. This is true of any ship to be honest. He's probably one of the better paid guys working there.
 
2014-03-29 10:30:29 PM  
There's more to this story
He set two fires. One that did decent damage but was put out quickly and was concluded accidental
The second was days later and it was the big one that destroyed everything else
farkwad should never have been on that ship for the second fire
Someone in security let that slip in a really bad way
 
2014-03-29 10:38:18 PM  
Second time in as many greenlights that a yahoo news link is farked...
 
2014-03-29 10:41:35 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.


That's not how things work.
 
2014-03-29 10:42:10 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You would think a nuclear sub would have a better fire suppression system.


It does, when it's running. It was shut down for overhaul.
 
2014-03-29 10:45:10 PM  

xrayspx: the_celt: FTFA - Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

Does the Navy go after the costs incurred as a result of this?  Maybe take it out of his paycheck while working in prison?

Yeah, IIRC he was fined $450MM.  It's totally symbolic of course.


Not totally. It remains as a judgement so in the event he ever comes in to money, the government gets to take it. That is the purpose of big judgments against people who don't have that kind of money. It isn't to "send a message" or something, it is as a backup. If they win the lottery, get an inheritance, etc, you get to have it. Basically it means they are going to be paying you their whole life, no matter what.
 
2014-03-29 10:46:12 PM  

powhound: WhackingDay: Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708

I was also briefly on the 710 (USS Boston). The joke was that 710 upside down and backwards spelled OIL, which is why the engines leaked so much.

ssn 642 (after she was turned into a special ops ride)  -- elt

Our joke was that the enemy could hear us coming from a thousand miles away.


I don't get the joke. =/
 
2014-03-29 10:51:22 PM  
That was one proud muther flucking boat!
 
2014-03-29 10:53:48 PM  

powhound: WhackingDay: Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708

I was also briefly on the 710 (USS Boston). The joke was that 710 upside down and backwards spelled OIL, which is why the engines leaked so much.

ssn 642 (after she was turned into a special ops ride)  -- elt

Our joke was that the enemy could hear us coming from a thousand miles away.


What do you mean by "turned into a Special Ops ride"?  What sorts of alterations are made?
 
2014-03-29 11:05:08 PM  

nullptr: powhound: WhackingDay: Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708

I was also briefly on the 710 (USS Boston). The joke was that 710 upside down and backwards spelled OIL, which is why the engines leaked so much.

ssn 642 (after she was turned into a special ops ride)  -- elt

Our joke was that the enemy could hear us coming from a thousand miles away.

I don't get the joke. =/


It wasn't really meant to be funny. I forgot to attach a "wry" face.

:/
 
2014-03-29 11:08:37 PM  

dukeblue219: Suppose that 10 years ago a Space Shuttle had been destroyed in similar fashion without loss of life (and before becoming a museum piece). Would you have been sad about that?


Nope.  It's just hardware.

Many of my friends sweated blood designing stealth hardware that was once shiat-hot cool and now rots in a desert boneyard.
 
2014-03-29 11:11:13 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: powhound: WhackingDay: Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708

I was also briefly on the 710 (USS Boston). The joke was that 710 upside down and backwards spelled OIL, which is why the engines leaked so much.

ssn 642 (after she was turned into a special ops ride)  -- elt

Our joke was that the enemy could hear us coming from a thousand miles away.

What do you mean by "turned into a Special Ops ride"?  What sorts of alterations are made?


They attached shelters to the missile deck. Divers and SEALS could access the shelters through missile tubes, hop into their zodiacs and do their thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kamehameha_(SSBN-642)

They converted one of the missile tubes into a farkin jacuzzi for the special ops guys. Actually, I never saw it. Could have been urban legend. But that was the word on the boat. Never really cared. Never needed to know for quals. That boat was a good duty station by the time I got to it. Stationed out of Pearl. One or two weeks max tooling around and then back into Pearl. One trip to Brisbane and back.
 
2014-03-29 11:11:23 PM  

Pribar: Bigjohn3592: I worked with a guy who was a Nuke tech or whatever they call it, in the Navy.  He was on a boomer sub.  Said the most scared he was going to die his whole time in the Navy was leaving the shipyards.  Hated the yard workers.  One guy welded clear through the control cable leading from the Con to the nuke.  Another was not following procedure carrying wrenches up the ladder, dropped it like 30 feet onto a crewman and fractured his skull. There were plenty more stories, from just one visit to the yards.

After that he was sure their first cruise out would be their last.

I lucked out on this being a Marine, but all the sailors I served with said that they ended up spending the first month or so out of the shipyards fixing the stuff the yardworkers farked up


Agent Nick Fury: DanInKansas: Man On Pink Corner: don't understand how something made almost entirely of metal is so easily destroyed by fire.  WTF happens when this thing gets into an actual war?

You.   You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.

Short answer: naval warfare is horrifying.

Longer answer: You're less likely to die in combat as a sailor but if you do it's always in an incredibly painful way, like being shredded by a pressure wave, incinerated in a fire, cut in half by a bulkhead door slamming shut, etc., etc., etc.

Not to make this a gore fest but they called the A-7 the man-eater for a reason

Not just the A-7s out to get ya...


Ha. I was on a gun mount a few decks down when that happened. The flash really lit up the night. Poor guy really looked messed up the next night on the Bully!Big Stick Show.
 
2014-03-29 11:11:45 PM  
What a metaphor for our entire civilization.
 
2014-03-29 11:13:47 PM  

Radioactive Ass: powhound: ssn 642

I helped clean up their Otto Fuel spill back in the mid 80's when it was still stationed out of Holy Loch (they were pulling TMs off of all of the boats to relieve the crew and keep the cleanup going). What a mess that was, we ended up tearing apart the weapon stow locks and pulling up tracks and deck plates because it didn't just spill, it sprayed all over the place and went into every single nook and cranny. That was fun. It took them about 30 days working 24/7 to get the readings back to normal and the stows put back together and weight tested then getting their weapons back on board. Sucking rubber for 12 hours isn't all that much fun, especially when it was on your off duty day.


Yikes. That was a decade before my time. Nasty business for you there.
 
2014-03-29 11:17:09 PM  

ReapTheChaos: You're talking about a vessel that spends 95% of it's time completely submerged in corrosive salt water, short of the guys who work on the nuclear reactor, there is no job more critical than paint. This is true of any ship to be honest. He's probably one of the better paid guys working there.


Uh. No. The hull gets painted maybe every 5 years or so, drydocks are expensive. Topside more often, maybe once a year. Inside paint is not really all that important in the grand scheme of things. I've watched a shipyard painter spend an hour smearing paint over the same few square feet of interior bulkhead while staring off into space. There are a couple of important places that get painted (mainly inside tanks and some of the bilges) but 99% of it is cosmetic. In the 8+ years I spent on boats we spent maybe a grand total of 2 weeks painting the exterior above the waterline. The interior is also rarely painted (paint is an atmospheric contaminant and it's very unusual to even carry any on board, not even touch up paint).

Keep in mind that on the surface most of the boat is underwater and much of what you see is not pressure hull but superstructure (free flooding spaces). When submerged corrosion is almost non-existent because of the extensive use of zincs both inside and out. Surface ships are not submarines. they use different grades of steel and take a beating that submarines just simply aren't usually exposed to.

By far the most painting I did was while I was on shore duty (museum ship) and 99% of that was fixing what the shipyard did wrong (Mare Island). Shipyard painters are, in general, crappy workers and they don't get paid anywhere near what the more skilled workers get paid.
 
2014-03-29 11:31:34 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: What do you mean by "turned into a Special Ops ride"? What sorts of alterations are made?


Missile tubes get decommissioned and turned into storage for special operations gear, extra food and lockout chambers. Extra berthing is placed where missile launch gear used to be (or is now useable because the warheads are no longer shooting zoomies into the missile compartment upper level). A DDS (Dry Deck Shelter) is attached just behind the sail (or at least the attaching points are installed). Stuff like that. Once you get rid of the missiles you end up with a farkton of extra space and weight to play with.

MCC alone could probably sleep 50 men and a lot of crew berthing would open up after you got rid of the MT's and FTB's. I once went out on Alpha sea trials in a non-special ops boomer and we had almost 150 extra men on board just to do systems testing at sea. You would be surprised how many people you can fit inside a boat when you want to and don't have to worry about nuclear weapons security or radiation from warheads. Granted it was cramped but the missile launching equipment was in place so that took up a lot of space.
 
2014-03-29 11:43:46 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Seeking an excuse to leave work early, Casey James Fury set fire to a box of rags on a bunk, and the blaze quickly spread throughout the forward compartments. Fury pleaded guilty and is serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison.

Do people not know how to fake a headache anymore?


Besides your wife?

/Sorry.... too easy...
 
2014-03-29 11:48:04 PM  

powhound: Yikes. That was a decade before my time. Nasty business for you there.


It didn't help that the cause of the spill was a faulty relief valve on a fuel tank and instead of defueling it in the room they left the fuel in... and as soon as they started to unship the weapon the faulty valve let go again and rained fuel from the escape trunk down into and onto everything.

But to be fair that was Squadron 14's fault, they wanted to get the boat back out to sea and didn't want to take the extra few hours that it would have taken to get some 5 gallon cans, a roller pump and tygon tubing together and down the hatch. That mistake easily added 2 weeks to the clean up.
 
2014-03-29 11:54:28 PM  

Ambivalence: Considering how many people are in the military, I'm actually kind of impressed this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.  Statistically speaking.


Being a couple hundred feet under water might discourage that sort of thing.
 
2014-03-30 12:04:48 AM  

stuffy: Being a couple hundred feet under water might discourage that sort of thing.


Not to mention the several thousands of feet of water below...
 
2014-03-30 12:09:45 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: What do you mean by "turned into a Special Ops ride"?  What sorts of alterations are made?


You know, silencers on the propellers, painted some fish on the hull so it would just look like a school of fish swimming by, high tech stuff.
 
2014-03-30 12:16:24 AM  
If you go to the wikipedia page for the Miami, at the bottom there are links to the declassified command histories for 1990-2002.  Being bored, I read the ones for 1998 and 1999 (when they launched a bunch of missiles into Iraq and Serbia).  In the 1999 command history, it indicates that the boat received a "Meritorious Unit Commendation...for performance during deployed operations in 1997."  I went to see what that was all about, but saw that the 1996 and 1997 command histories appear not to have been declassified yet.  Any guesses what they were up to?  I'm guessing it wasn't just tiger cruises and sonar exercises in the Bahamas.
 
2014-03-30 12:37:47 AM  
Nice to see so many Nukes out there. Was a Nuke.

/SSN 675
//worked on ( as a test director) SSN 757, 760, 761, 762, 763, 700, SSBN 741
///2 types of ships in the Navy, subs and targets.
 
2014-03-30 12:53:34 AM  

MechaPyx: He sought an excuse to leave work early. Now he has 17 years to think about how nice a regular job would be.

I mean, I just pretend I'm "sick" I kinda want the place to be there when I feel "well" enough to come back.
I thought this was how it was done.

 
2014-03-30 01:05:45 AM  
I hope Fury is going to be playing hide the torpedo for at least 10 years .. that was my tax money he blew. Along with the bears and bulls in Cellblock D
 
2014-03-30 01:21:08 AM  
Thanks for allowing the periscope depth view of the `not target' contingent of the USN, swabbos (sorry, reflex call from former cannon fodder).

/Jules farking Fermi Verne
//reminds me of an old shop
i30.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-30 01:28:21 AM  

trappedspirit: Dr Jack Badofsky: What do you mean by "turned into a Special Ops ride"?  What sorts of alterations are made?

You know, silencers on the propellers, painted some fish on the hull so it would just look like a school of fish swimming by, high tech stuff.


They put it through shiatloads of rigorous training and paint it black.  But, it's allowed to grow a beard in theater and sleep all day, so totally worth it.
 
2014-03-30 01:34:47 AM  

BalugaJoe: You would think they would better screen these people.


E. Snowden might just agree.
 
2014-03-30 02:13:32 AM  

Radioactive Ass: puffy999: Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?

If floating it saves so much money by taking a relatively long route from the Snake River down the Colombia and all the way around Juan De Fuca, why not fix it sooner and utilize the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers as well?

Puget Sound is the only place equipped to remove the reactor from a boat because it's the closest Naval facility to the normal resting place for reactors. Every single nuclear powered boat or ship that's been decommissioned (save one, which is a museum ship) has gone there. If it's going to Idaho it's possible that they plan on setting up the reactor compartment for training. At one time there was a reactor built there specifically to train new reactor operators and the people operating the rest of the engineering plant (steam, cooling water, lube oil and so on) before they went to the fleet. I only say this because the usual fate of submarine reactors is in a big pit over in Hanford WA. In those cases Puget Sound removes the fuel, cuts out the entire reactor compartment, caps off both ends with a couple of inches of steel then barges it off for a trip up the Columbia. When it gets to Hanford it's taken off of the barge and s.l.o.w.l.y. moved inland to a huge pit where, last time I heard, there are over 100 other similarly prepared reactor compartments. When that pit is filled it will be capped off and left alone for some 600 years. The rest of the boat is salvaged for parts that can be refurbished and reused elsewhere in the navy and then the rest is sold for scrap.

As to fixing it the cost to do that was higher than the cost of a new boat. A submarine fire in the shipyard isn't quite as bad as one at sea. In the shipyard there are open hatches for the heat to get out as well as hull cuts (used to remove large pieces of gear that can't fit through a hatch). That being said there is much more damage than possible heat damage to the hull. Smoke carries acids that coat electron ...


Given that subs, like modern surface ships, are built in sectional stages for assembly and testing efficiency, going through and verifying/reworking/replacing all the fittings, valves, cabling etc in the final installed locations as a whole ship would be incredibly slow, difficult and very costly.  There's a reason we cut man-sized doorways in the hull just above the forward sonar bulb just to work on transducer supports, and it's not cause the shipyard workers are lazy and don't want to haul equipment down multiple decks through 18"-wide hatches (which is also still true).  If you're working on various multiple-compartment equipment throughout the entire damn boat, and can't be going and turning the thing into swiss cheese for access, then that's a hell of a job to do.
 
2014-03-30 03:25:31 AM  
It is amazing that a single, negligent act could cause 400 million in damages. Obviously certain people in power could (and have) caused that sort of damage. But a single act by a single shipyard worker...that's a staggering amount of money.
 
2014-03-30 04:04:34 AM  
At the end of the ceremony, the crew filed out of the auditorium after its top enlisted sailor, Chief Tyrus Rock, led them in a cheer, shouting out the first part of the ship's motto, "No free rides!" The crew finished by responding, "Everybody rows!"

This is some Starship Troopers shiat right here
 
2014-03-30 07:55:33 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.


And the insurance company is happy because they already sold the coverage in bulk to another insurance company...
 
2014-03-30 09:27:53 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Pretty messed up when someone thinks "You know, I really don't feel like working on this nuclear sub today. I think I'll set it on fire instead."


I was gonna work on the sub, but then I got high
I was going to weld and paint and scrub, but then I got high
Now I'm stuck in Fed Club, and I know why
Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high

Disclaimer: No evidence exists that the dumbass wanted to get high, but now you have the song stuck in your head.
 
2014-03-30 09:28:23 AM  

dukeblue219: vincentfox: Big machine damaged & scrapped, why this is SAD eludes me.

Because it's a billion dollar machine built at taxpayers' expense and completely destroyed by an intentionally-set fire.

Suppose that 10 years ago a Space Shuttle had been destroyed in similar fashion without loss of life (and before becoming a museum piece). Would you have been sad about that?


Sub's are designed to kill people.
 
2014-03-30 09:36:31 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Sub's are designed to kill people.


Maybe more directly, but a significant chunk of the Space Shuttle's missions are military in focus.  They aren't just watching spiders make webs in microgravity.
 
2014-03-30 09:38:01 AM  
17 years prison..... a white collar criminal could steal that by ripping off seniors and get probation, but a working stiff (albeit a stupid one) gets 17 years hahahah.  Not saying he shoudn't, just pointing out the hypocracy
 
2014-03-30 09:39:29 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: Pribar:

Not just the A-7s out to get ya...

Ha. I was on a gun mount a few decks down when that happened. The flash really lit up the night. Poor guy really looked messed up the next night on the Bully!Big Stick Show.


Guy I worked with at the time insisted that the interview afterward was staged.  "He got sucked in and then a bunch of shiat blew out the back!  They dressed some guy up in bandages and to make it look like he survived!"

Couldn't quite make him understand that the engine isn't RIGHT THERE at the air intake, it's much further back in the airframe, and that an engine getting fuel and air that suddenly stops getting air is going to dump a lot of hot unburned fuel out, which tends to autoignite when it hits atmosphere...
 
2014-03-30 10:29:34 AM  

puffy999: Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?



Hello, Barack? This is Li Kequiang. Free pick up on your scrap sub. Promise to cut it up real good.
 
2014-03-30 11:11:58 AM  

Radioactive Ass: puffy999: Is there no where else to fix the vessel or to cut it up?

If floating it saves so much money by taking a relatively long route from the Snake River down the Colombia and all the way around Juan De Fuca, why not fix it sooner and utilize the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers as well?

Puget Sound is the only place equipped to remove the reactor from a boat because it's the closest Naval facility to the normal resting place for reactors. Every single nuclear powered boat or ship that's been decommissioned (save one, which is a museum ship) has gone there. If it's going to Idaho it's possible that they plan on setting up the reactor compartment for training. At one time there was a reactor built there specifically to train new reactor operators and the people operating the rest of the engineering plant (steam, cooling water, lube oil and so on) before they went to the fleet. I only say this because the usual fate of submarine reactors is in a big pit over in Hanford WA. In those cases Puget Sound removes the fuel, cuts out the entire reactor compartment, caps off both ends with a couple of inches of steel then barges it off for a trip up the Columbia. When it gets to Hanford it's taken off of the barge and s.l.o.w.l.y. moved inland to a huge pit where, last time I heard, there are over 100 other similarly prepared reactor compartments. When that pit is filled it will be capped off and left alone for some 600 years. The rest of the boat is salvaged for parts that can be refurbished and reused elsewhere in the navy and then the rest is sold for scrap.

As to fixing it the cost to do that was higher than the cost of a new boat. A submarine fire in the shipyard isn't quite as bad as one at sea. In the shipyard there are open hatches for the heat to get out as well as hull cuts (used to remove large pieces of gear that can't fit through a hatch). That being said there is much more damage than possible heat damage to the hull. Smoke carries acids that coat electron ...


Came here to say the same thing but the Hanford Site is decommissioned for the most part and quite a big mess.  Looks like the spent fuel will be going to the Naval Reactors Facility at the Idaho National Laboratory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Reactor_Facility
 
2014-03-30 12:42:44 PM  

Mister Peejay: Dr Jack Badofsky: Pretty messed up when someone thinks "You know, I really don't feel like working on this nuclear sub today. I think I'll set it on fire instead."

I was gonna work on the sub, but then I got high
I was going to weld and paint and scrub, but then I got high
Now I'm stuck in Fed Club, and I know why
Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high

Disclaimer: No evidence exists that the dumbass wanted to get high, but now you have the song stuck in your head.


You dick.
 
2014-03-30 01:00:49 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.


Actually it had no impact on whether or not new ones are built. The Navy just started building two VA class boats a year after a long and drawn out procurement process. The wheels don't turn fast enough for them to say "just throw another one on the bill" to replace Miami. Also, because of the cost involved the Navy self-insures boats under construction/maintenance.

Truth be told, my company spent quite a few hours working on Miami as part of the team that was trying to determine if she could be fixed. The decision to scrap cost us a lot of man-hours. If it had happened a few years earlier then there's a chance she could have been designated to become a new reactor training ship, but by the time of the fire hit two hulls (already decommed 688s) had been chosen.
 
2014-03-30 01:05:05 PM  

indy_kid: ecmoRandomNumbers: And the defense contractors building the thing are happier than pigs in shiat because they're insured and get to build a new one.

Just a guess.

No more LA-class boats anymore.  They're now Seawolf-class Fast Attacks.  Won't build more until the oldest LA-class reach end-of-service, and it may be more economical to just replace the nuke fuel, given the current state of foreign boats in service.


Seawolf is also no longer being built. Currently, the Virginia class is being built, just fast enough to keep the sub builders in business. They retire the LA class at about the same rate, to keep a constant number of boats.
 
2014-03-30 01:24:49 PM  

indy_kid: Bigjohn3592: I worked with a guy who was a Nuke tech or whatever they call it, in the Navy.  He was on a boomer sub.  Said the most scared he was going to die his whole time in the Navy was leaving the shipyards.  Hated the yard workers.  One guy welded clear through the control cable leading from the Con to the nuke.  Another was not following procedure carrying wrenches up the ladder, dropped it like 30 feet onto a crewman and fractured his skull. There were plenty more stories, from just one visit to the yards.

Someone wanted vents on the condensers of our AC units, so some idiot yard worker machined steel plugs with copper tubing, and a brass valve at the end.  About a month out of the yard, one of those plugs blew out; the corrosion caused by the dissimilar metals (steel and the brass tank of the condenser) ate most of the threads.  A 50-PSI stream of water sprayed into a $10K electric motor, destroying it.

I was first on scene and stopped the flooding after a few moments; just had to reach behind me to shut off the motor supplying cooling water to the condenser, then close some butterfly isolation valves.  To swap out the motor, we had to cut through 2 decks, then replace the flooring over each after the cutouts were welding back into place.   Fortunately, we had the evidence, so the shipyard ended up paying for the repairs.

The really scary part was all this 50-PSI seawater spraying around the room and onto our Auxiliary Electrical Distribution Panel.  It was carrying about 900KW at the time.  If the water had contacted anything energized on the Board, I would have been killed instantly (standing in 2-3" of saltwater), and responders would have walked into a really bad scene.


Wow. A very hearty thanks for your service.
 
2014-03-30 01:27:18 PM  

Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708


Forward ET on 706, when it was stationed in Groton
 
2014-03-30 04:07:31 PM  
TheGoatsDad: ..when it was stationed in Groton

My condolences.
 
2014-03-30 05:19:42 PM  

whyaduck: TheGoatsDad: ..when it was stationed in Groton

My condolences.


Thank you, it wasn't the most interesting base
 
2014-03-30 05:38:00 PM  
You know, not to suggest he wasn't a jackass, but, just sayin....

How many people can say they singlehandedly destroyed a nuclear attack submarine?
 
2014-03-30 07:49:28 PM  

DanInKansas: You go read this right now. Your local library has a copy.


Thanks, Dan.  Just ordered for Kindle.
 
2014-03-30 07:57:09 PM  

Gunboat: I am amazed at the number of nukes on fark.

/ssn 662 & 708


SSBN 636, Nat Greene, summer of 1965.
 
2014-03-30 08:56:27 PM  

Radioactive Ass: shower_in_my_socks: If only submarines were surrounded by a substance commonly used to douse fires.

Boats are always refueled while in drydock. If they weren't the hull cuts could cause flooding if the weather gets rough enough.

PunGent: Weren't they doing welding? And, if so, wouldn't that trigger the suppression system? Probably easiest just to turn the whole system off, than parts of it...if you can even shut down just a portion.

It's not that simple. The fire suppression "System" is the crew with fire hoses in normal situations (ie: not in the shipyard). The trim system piping, which is the usual source of fire fighting water, is torn apart while in a major overhaul so there literally is no way to get water to a fire except by hoses strung in through hatches (and that means fouling the hatch making it hard to get in or out, there are already wires, ventilation ducts and so on there already). Even the trim tanks are emptied out for the shipyard to do work inside them. In the shipyard. When welding is going on there is at least one crew member sitting there with a fire extinguisher, two if the welding is on a bulkhead just in case the heat passes through the metal and starts a fire on the other side.

In this particular case the fire was started where there was no welding going on. Odds are there was only one or two guys on watch forward of the reactor compartment. The belowdecks watch and maybe the duty officer, duty chief or the duty section leader. at that stage of an overhaul the crew is told to stay away unless they have actual business on the boat to attend to. The shipyard workers need all of the room that they can get and crew members just standing around slow down the work.

Fires that can't be put out by a single extinguisher are supposed to be fought by the shipyard fire department. They obviously failed massively in this instance.


Interesting, thanks.  I figured they'd have some sort of integral foam system or something, at least near some critical areas.  (Halon would obviously be problematic...)
 
2014-03-31 12:54:08 AM  

PunGent: Interesting, thanks. I figured they'd have some sort of integral foam system or something, at least near some critical areas. (Halon would obviously be problematic...)


Only over the deep fat fryer, but even that would've been shut off and undergoing refurbishment, not to mention that all of the food would have been offloaded first thing when they got into the shipyard. A refueling overhaul is the perfect time to do work put off due to operational tempo. Fix it before it breaks is a navy mantra that is taken very seriously on a boat where something breaking could mean the loss of a half Billion plus ship with all hands either from flooding or fire or from it not working in combat.
 
2014-03-31 08:54:40 AM  

Radioactive Ass: PunGent: Interesting, thanks. I figured they'd have some sort of integral foam system or something, at least near some critical areas. (Halon would obviously be problematic...)

Only over the deep fat fryer, but even that would've been shut off and undergoing refurbishment, not to mention that all of the food would have been offloaded first thing when they got into the shipyard. A refueling overhaul is the perfect time to do work put off due to operational tempo. Fix it before it breaks is a navy mantra that is taken very seriously on a boat where something breaking could mean the loss of a half Billion plus ship with all hands either from flooding or fire or from it not working in combat.


Seriously?  I mean, it makes sense...but it's a little hilarious that that's the most flammable mission-critical item the designer chose to protect, what with all the explosive warheads and whatnot...

/grease fires are dangerous, I know
 
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