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(Apple Insider)   If Android is destroying iOS in tablet sales, why did Microsoft port Office to iOS first? Reality to the left, people parroting Google's talking points to the right   (appleinsider.com) divider line 79
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2014-03-29 04:12:25 PM  
That answer should be obvious to anyone that is old enough to know the politics of Apple\MS\Office.  Also, Apple is not direct competitor in the Office arena.

But subby's idea is fun, too.  I guess.  I mean it is obviously because Google is a failure.
 
2014-03-29 04:18:17 PM  
I have had office Mobile on my Nexus for about 6 months now.
 
2014-03-29 04:20:15 PM  
Because industry is moving to Apple more than they are Android. Seriously, our IT department hands out Surfaces and iPads to our field guys. My guess is that they can control windows and iOS devices better than they can Android powered ones. By the time I am eligible for a company phone I am willing to bet Android phones won't be an option anymore.
 
2014-03-29 04:24:08 PM  
iOS users spend more then Android users.

/Android user
 
2014-03-29 04:26:07 PM  

IgG4: I have had office Mobile on my Nexus for about 6 months now.


Data but I've had office 365 on androId for a while so I have no idea what they are biatching about
 
2014-03-29 04:43:10 PM  
I'm amazed that even in real life people actually give a shiat about this sort of thing.

I have actual, real life friends (I know, hard to believe) who seem to have nothing else going on in their life but to care about this whole Android/Apple bullshiat.
 
2014-03-29 04:57:08 PM  
because it's easier to port software to an homogenized environment
 
2014-03-29 05:09:03 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Because industry is moving to Apple more than they are Android. Seriously, our IT department hands out Surfaces and iPads to our field guys. My guess is that they can control windows and iOS devices better than they can Android powered ones. By the time I am eligible for a company phone I am willing to bet Android phones won't be an option anymore.


nope.

There could be many reasons that make sense but not that one.
 
2014-03-29 05:20:16 PM  

sammyk: There could be many reasons that make sense but not that one.


I would have figured that you could get around enterprise IT limitations by rooting the phone which is much easier to do now than it was early on. What reasons do you think? Preference, security?
 
2014-03-29 05:25:20 PM  
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2014-03-29 05:42:14 PM  

urger: iOS users are too stupid to find the free apps than spend more then Android users.

/Android user

 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 06:01:37 PM  
Because iOS users have real jobs with a potential use for those tools (if they're not already using free iWork apps), while fandroids mainly use their "phones" to find out who is taking whom to prom and what time their shift is at the Piggly Wiggly.
 
2014-03-29 07:04:32 PM  

Barfmaker: I'm amazed that even in real life people actually give a shiat about this sort of thing.

I have actual, real life friends (I know, hard to believe) who seem to have nothing else going on in their life but to care about this whole Android/Apple bullshiat.


reprobate1125: urger: iOS users are too stupid to find the free apps than spend more then Android users.

/Android user

 
2014-03-29 07:05:10 PM  
Oops, missed one.

jbc: Because iOS users have real jobs with a potential use for those tools (if they're not already using free iWork apps), while fandroids mainly use their "phones" to find out who is taking whom to prom and what time their shift is at the Piggly Wiggly.

 
2014-03-29 07:40:04 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: sammyk: There could be many reasons that make sense but not that one.

I would have figured that you could get around enterprise IT limitations by rooting the phone which is much easier to do now than it was early on. What reasons do you think? Preference, security?


It has nothing to do with rooting the phone. Citrix is great for doing secure applications and desktops. The security is built into the Citrix app/client itself and rooting the phone doesn't help you break it. There are other solutions out there that do the same thing on all platforms. Your IT guys may have a preference or the vendor just offered a better deal for the platforms they are using.

Think of it this way. Every bank and credit card company has an app for all 3 platforms. I work for a bank. We do not take chances if we can avoid it. If any of those apps get hacked its a serious reputational and financial hit. If a mobile OS could not be secured we wouldn't release it.
 
2014-03-29 07:52:51 PM  
"If"?
 
2014-03-29 07:54:04 PM  

jbc: Because iOS users have real jobs with a potential use for those tools (if they're not already using free iWork apps), while fandroids mainly use their "phones" to find out who is taking whom to prom and what time their shift is at the Piggly Wiggly.


Didn't know the bank CEO's posted on this website.
 
2014-03-29 07:58:50 PM  
because money?
 
2014-03-29 08:05:12 PM  
Having been stuck using an iPhone for work the last 6 months, I can't believe anyone would volunteerly choose it over an Android phone. It does work well enough, but it has so many stupid restrictions that I can't wait to get back to Android.
 
2014-03-29 08:07:18 PM  
If I were to make a guess, having NRTFA, since MS already has office for Macs (osx?) that it was easier to port that to iOS.  I'll assume that is because the backends of both OS's are more similar than going to Android from Windows.

I could be wrong, and I am probably am, but it would seem easier to work with Apple because they already are working with Apple.
 
2014-03-29 08:09:59 PM  
Yesterday, Microsoft finally announced the Office suite of apps for the iPad, including Word, Excel and PowerPoint. But along with the new announcement, Microsoft also made a quiet change to its existing Android app.

Just like its iOS counterparts, the Android version of the Office Mobile app required an Office 365 subscription to actually be used to create and edit documents. Surprisingly, Microsoft has dropped that requirement now, which means you can access the app fully without having to spend a dime.

Subby is either a moron or a troll. WNB?
 
2014-03-29 08:18:29 PM  
Hmmm.. could it be that MS is competing with Google for tablet share in the non I'll buy anything Apple market and has a lot of experience writing apps for Apple? Naw, it couldn't be that simple!
 
2014-03-29 08:21:11 PM  
Could it be that Apple Insider might present the "facts" with a bias toward Apple? I'm just asking questions here.
 
2014-03-29 08:31:38 PM  
I still think the etch a sketch is gonna surprise everyone...
 
2014-03-29 08:37:03 PM  
How could this possibly matter?
 
2014-03-29 08:47:17 PM  
Well, if Microsoft says so, Apple products must be better. We all know Microsoft is renowned for their business decision-making.
 
2014-03-29 09:00:35 PM  

Ghastly: because it's easier to port software to an homogenized environment


DING DING DING. We have a winner.

/extra credit would be for limited number of screen sizes
 
2014-03-29 09:02:47 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: sammyk: There could be many reasons that make sense but not that one.

I would have figured that you could get around enterprise IT limitations by rooting the phone which is much easier to do now than it was early on. What reasons do you think? Preference, security?


I know I would prefer Android devices for enterprise deployment because the hooks for MDM are so much better for Android than iOS. But I think the issue is that "Android" can describe a wide variety of hardware and OSes. iOS has much better homogenization.

For example, the Samsung devices have almost entirely different mobile device management capabilities than the Motorolas. So much so that the overlapping areas for which you could create a single policy for deployment leaves you in about the same place you are at with Apple.
 
2014-03-29 09:38:13 PM  
Could the answer be who gives a rip?
Some guy made a decision to go with Apple first?
Because it was easier when they did it?
Because something has to happen first?
Hey did you watch that game last night?
No I was working was it good?
No not really, what were you working on?
Have you seen the new list of project priorities?
 
2014-03-29 09:55:17 PM  

Yakk: Ghastly: because it's easier to port software to an homogenized environment

DING DING DING. We have a winner.

/extra credit would be for limited number of screen sizes


NO NO NO!!!!! As has already been stated clearly in this thread, it's because crApple (LULZZ!!! I love getting them with that one) users are too stupid to use free apps and actually try to waste their money. Not only that, they are immature d-bags, have small penises, can't hold their liquor, are terrible in bed, think the world runs on hope and change, and buy crApple (BURN!!!) devices and apps any time crApple tells them to. crApple users are truly terrible people. Every single one of them. The totes opposite of Android users. Those guys are smart. Too smart to buy into crApple's Koolaid.

Wait, Office for iPad is free? Well then there's no way it's as good as Google Apps. Unpossible.
 
2014-03-29 10:01:24 PM  
This is from a company that won't even let you say the name of Apple's company or products.  The iPhone is 'the fruity phone' and Apple is a 'fruity company'.  I am not making this up.
 
2014-03-29 10:03:07 PM  

haterade69: Wait, Office for iPad is free? Well then there's no way it's as good as Google Apps. Unpossible.


Free as in free-to-play RPG.  You can install it for free but you have to subscribe to Office 365 to unlock the stuff you'll probably miss in the first ten minutes.
 
2014-03-29 10:03:46 PM  

haterade69: Yakk: Ghastly: because it's easier to port software to an homogenized environment

DING DING DING. We have a winner.

/extra credit would be for limited number of screen sizes

NO NO NO!!!!! As has already been stated clearly in this thread, it's because crApple (LULZZ!!! I love getting them with that one) users are too stupid to use free apps and actually try to waste their money. Not only that, they are immature d-bags, have small penises, can't hold their liquor, are terrible in bed, think the world runs on hope and change, and buy crApple (BURN!!!) devices and apps any time crApple tells them to. crApple users are truly terrible people. Every single one of them. The totes opposite of Android users. Those guys are smart. Too smart to buy into crApple's Koolaid.

Wait, Office for iPad is free? Well then there's no way it's as good as Google Apps. Unpossible.


Is it really possible that you managed to imply that someone besides yourself was an "immature d-bag"? Are you incapable of reading your own writing?
 
2014-03-29 10:06:27 PM  

baorao: antidisestablishmentarianism: sammyk: There could be many reasons that make sense but not that one.

I would have figured that you could get around enterprise IT limitations by rooting the phone which is much easier to do now than it was early on. What reasons do you think? Preference, security?

I know I would prefer Android devices for enterprise deployment because the hooks for MDM are so much better for Android than iOS. But I think the issue is that "Android" can describe a wide variety of hardware and OSes. iOS has much better homogenization.

For example, the Samsung devices have almost entirely different mobile device management capabilities than the Motorolas. So much so that the overlapping areas for which you could create a single policy for deployment leaves you in about the same place you are at with Apple.


I've noticed that every app worth having eventually gets ported to all platforms. HTML5 is going to be the defacto standard for apps before you know it anyway. It's really not that hard for a developer to support almost all android devices.
 
2014-03-29 10:12:26 PM  
I don't care which smartphone platform anyone uses. But I swear the first company which makes a smartphone with a batter that lasts for longer than three days on a single charge and through normal daily use (and not the type of low usage they use on battery tests) then I would buy that phone. It's annoying having batteries lose half their charge before I've even got past four hours.
 
2014-03-29 10:14:29 PM  

Barfmaker: I'm amazed that even in real life people actually give a shiat about this sort of thing.

I have actual, real life friends (I know, hard to believe) who seem to have nothing else going on in their life but to care about this whole Android/Apple bullshiat.


I figure it is better to be arguing about stuff like this rather than having Shia/Sunni style religious wars. There's something about human nature that makes us want to argue bitterly about pointless stupid shiat.
 
2014-03-29 10:18:08 PM  
My tablet came with Polaris Office free and pre-installed.  Its documents are in Office format.  Why would I want or need to install MS Office?
 
2014-03-29 10:35:27 PM  
Google Docs.

/wipe hands on pants
 
2014-03-29 10:44:34 PM  

syrynxx: haterade69: Wait, Office for iPad is free? Well then there's no way it's as good as Google Apps. Unpossible.

Free as in free-to-play RPG.  You can install it for free but you have to subscribe to Office 365 to unlock the stuff you'll probably miss in the first ten minutes.


If you care about Office for iPad, you likely already have Office 365. And if you don't, it's cheap... around half the price of Google Docs. And it's much better.
 
2014-03-29 11:00:44 PM  

skinink: I don't care which smartphone platform anyone uses. But I swear the first company which makes a smartphone with a batter that lasts for longer than three days on a single charge and through normal daily use (and not the type of low usage they use on battery tests) then I would buy that phone. It's annoying having batteries lose half their charge before I've even got past four hours.


Here ya go, *IF* you are ready to give up color for 2 weeks of battery life.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-midia-inkphone-has-an-e-ink-screen-prom is es-tons-of-battery-life/
 
2014-03-29 11:00:53 PM  

skinink: I don't care which smartphone platform anyone uses. But I swear the first company which makes a smartphone with a batter that lasts for longer than three days on a single charge and through normal daily use (and not the type of low usage they use on battery tests) then I would buy that phone. It's annoying having batteries lose half their charge before I've even got past four hours.


Motorola razr maaxx is the closest I've found to a smartphone that has a decent battery.  I use it pretty heavily and it has only once run out of charge before the end of the day and I think it was a bug causing some process to drain the battery fast.  Otherwise I always go to bed with 20%+ battery when I plug it back in.  Used to have to carry an external battery pack with my old phone but now I just laugh at people who rush into the office to charge their phone.
 
2014-03-29 11:03:40 PM  

GardenWeasel: skinink: I don't care which smartphone platform anyone uses. But I swear the first company which makes a smartphone with a batter that lasts for longer than three days on a single charge and through normal daily use (and not the type of low usage they use on battery tests) then I would buy that phone. It's annoying having batteries lose half their charge before I've even got past four hours.

Here ya go, *IF* you are ready to give up color for 2 weeks of battery life.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-midia-inkphone-has-an-e-ink-screen-prom is es-tons-of-battery-life/


Oh, and speaking of e-ink

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/moodinq-tattoo.shtml
 
2014-03-29 11:19:30 PM  
Because even though XCode sucks, Eclipse is even worse.
 
2014-03-29 11:54:57 PM  

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 500x292]


Sat here for the longest time waiting to see if it'd eventually it'd reveal that it's Blackberry season and Bugs and Daffy look offscreen with their evil grins...
 
2014-03-30 12:01:05 AM  

sammyk: antidisestablishmentarianism: sammyk: There could be many reasons that make sense but not that one.

I would have figured that you could get around enterprise IT limitations by rooting the phone which is much easier to do now than it was early on. What reasons do you think? Preference, security?

It has nothing to do with rooting the phone. Citrix is great for doing secure applications and desktops. The security is built into the Citrix app/client itself and rooting the phone doesn't help you break it. There are other solutions out there that do the same thing on all platforms. Your IT guys may have a preference or the vendor just offered a better deal for the platforms they are using.

Think of it this way. Every bank and credit card company has an app for all 3 platforms. I work for a bank. We do not take chances if we can avoid it. If any of those apps get hacked its a serious reputational and financial hit. If a mobile OS could not be secured we wouldn't release it.


I can't speak to the Citrix app specifically, but if you own the underlying operating system, kernel, etc... you can absolutely subvert any security controls it, or any other app has.

If you're lower, you can win, period.

/*can* being the operative word, doesn't mean it's always trivial.
 
2014-03-30 12:17:30 AM  

Iczer: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 500x292]

Sat here for the longest time waiting to see if it'd eventually it'd reveal that it's Blackberry season and Bugs and Daffy look offscreen with their evil grins...


I did the same, but was waiting for Windows Phone. Lol.
 
2014-03-30 12:28:55 AM  
Amateur developer here; going to ask a question that may get flamed.

I've read that it is super easy to pirate Android software vs. iOS software due to the risk of jail breaking iOS phones (voiding warrenty and all).  From a programmer point of view, it is damn easy to run Java compiled code on an Android device vs. what it takes to run code on an iPhone.

Point: Companies will prefer iPhone because it is harder to pirate and iPhone users spend more.
 
2014-03-30 12:55:10 AM  

YouIsATard: If you care about Office for iPad, you likely already have Office 365. And if you don't, it's cheap... around half the price of Google Docs. And it's much better.


I suppose to be honest, I should state that I've earned my living from being an expert on Microsoft products for 20 years, I was a subcontractor of Microsoft recently bound to the same rules MSFT employees are.  I still think Windows software, esp. MSFT Office, is the defacto standard.

I am now a defacto employee of another very large computing company.  I have to boot Linux and work with Lotus Symphony.  You know how Lotus Symphony deals with Excel 2007 spreadsheets?  Almost good enough.  Some shiat will work, but some shiat won't.  And you will waste more time in your hourly wage figuring how to make new shiat work like old shiat than any potential cost savings.

That's why I hate Windows 8.  It's new shiat, and you don't have another company making old shiat.  So we're all stuck with Windows 7 and Office 2010 until Microsoft pulls its head out of its ass.  Baldy-cloud running the company now doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about where they came from.
 
2014-03-30 02:00:10 AM  

jbc: Because iOS users have real jobs with a potential use for those tools (if they're not already using free iWork apps), while fandroids mainly use their "phones" to find out who is taking whom to prom and what time their shift is at the Piggly Wiggly.



I remember when Blackberry users used to say the same thing about Apple users.
 
2014-03-30 04:27:08 AM  

JK47: I remember when Blackberry users used to say the same thing about Apple users.


I remember when they said you couldn't get "real work" done on any device that didn't run WordStar, Lotus 1-2-3, Harvard Graphics, and dBASE.

geraldbrandt.com

/Now THAT is productivity!
 
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