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2014-03-29 03:52:35 PM  
Hi. Can I talk to you today about how awesome not stamp collecting is?
 
2014-03-29 04:06:31 PM  
Forget that... where to I donate money to distribute the holy books of various other religions? As an atheist, I would be amused at how parents would explain that everyone else's holy books are nonsensical fairy tales, yet the equally ridiculous one they just happen to keep at home is the eternal word of the "real" god.

Oh wait... they've done that for years. They have mastered the techniques of cognitive dissonance, special pleading, compartmentalization and/or confirmation bias.  Nevermind.

Yeah. Plan "A" is better.
 
2014-03-29 04:09:14 PM  
Religion is a surname.
 
2014-03-29 04:31:33 PM  

zamboni: Religion is a surname.


My God. We made Milhouse a meme.
 
2014-03-29 04:33:17 PM  
Does this mean that a group could start handing out nudie mags to students by claiming its their holy book? If so, it's probably be an easy way to get some converts.
 
2014-03-29 04:36:40 PM  
Distribute math problems.
 
2014-03-29 04:38:09 PM  
You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
 
2014-03-29 04:40:00 PM  
Yes a Tennessee thread!
Sweeping judgements from people who don't live here in 3.. 2.. 1...
 
2014-03-29 04:40:01 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.


good, let the butthurt etc..
 
2014-03-29 04:42:13 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.


I'm confused as to why you would think an educational group would not want to educate people.
 
2014-03-29 04:42:22 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-29 04:42:52 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.


media.tumblr.com

For your sake champ I hope you're just a threadshiatter because this is going to get ugly.
 
2014-03-29 04:43:04 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Yes a Tennessee thread!
Sweeping judgements from people who don't live here in 3.. 2.. 1...


I don't know, based on this article Tennessee can't be all bad.
 
2014-03-29 04:43:43 PM  
Wait until the Mormons find out about this:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-29 04:44:24 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.


Yes, how dare people want opposing opinions to be heard.

What the fark is wrong with them?
 
2014-03-29 04:46:05 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.


Don't like it?  Then demand NO religious texts be distributed in schools.  It's not that hard.
 
2014-03-29 04:46:26 PM  

kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.



Congratulations, you said something incredibly dumb on the internet. That pretty much never happens. It makes you special.
 
2014-03-29 04:46:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

I'm confused as to why you would think an educational group would not want to educate people.


Sitting around waiting for opportunities to counter religious activities isn't education. It's combative. Don't get me wrong (this sentence will be ignored for most if the thread); religious groups shouldn't get a blank check to do what they choose. But firing back by mimicking activities doesn't accomplish anything.
 
2014-03-29 04:47:29 PM  
I'll slam the door in the face of a militant atheist trying to proselytize me just as quickly as I will a Jehovah's Witness. I treat followers of all religions equally. 1st amendment and all.
 
2014-03-29 04:48:27 PM  
See? Reactionary. All these comments, mostly assuming I'm defending religious outreach. It accomplishes nothing. The moron posting real doll pics actually looks more clever.
 
2014-03-29 04:48:33 PM  

hardinparamedic: Hi. Can I talk to you today about how awesome not stamp collecting is?


Here is the thing though: stamp collecting is totally lame and would get most kids ostracized and it may cripple their social skills for the rest of their lives.  They should be shown how lame it is
 
2014-03-29 04:48:46 PM  

kwame: cameroncrazy1984: kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

I'm confused as to why you would think an educational group would not want to educate people.

Sitting around waiting for opportunities to counter religious activities isn't education. It's combative. Don't get me wrong (this sentence will be ignored for most if the thread); religious groups shouldn't get a blank check to do what they choose. But firing back by mimicking activities doesn't accomplish anything.


I'm pretty sure that reading the Bible in its entirety was instrumental in putting me on the path to atheism.
 
2014-03-29 04:49:34 PM  
How come you atheists waste your days arguing with religious people? I mean, you only have a certain number of days and then it's eternal dirt nap nothingness. Time's a wastin', heathen.
 
2014-03-29 04:49:49 PM  

kwame: See? Reactionary. All these comments, mostly assuming I'm defending religious outreach. It accomplishes nothing. The moron posting real doll pics actually looks more clever.


You sound like you've had a bad day.
 
2014-03-29 04:51:18 PM  

Smoking GNU: kwame: See? Reactionary. All these comments, mostly assuming I'm defending religious outreach. It accomplishes nothing. The moron posting real doll pics actually looks more clever.

You sound like you've had a bad day.


Would it make you feel better if I did, or do you just want some attention?
 
2014-03-29 04:51:57 PM  

kwame: cameroncrazy1984: kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

I'm confused as to why you would think an educational group would not want to educate people.

Sitting around waiting for opportunities to counter religious activities isn't education. It's combative. Don't get me wrong (this sentence will be ignored for most if the thread); religious groups shouldn't get a blank check to do what they choose. But firing back by mimicking activities doesn't accomplish anything.


So Gideons shouldn't have been allowed to hand out Bibles to school children.
But they did, and so you think atheists response should be to do ... nothing?
 
2014-03-29 04:53:10 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: How come you atheists waste your days arguing with religious people? I mean, you only have a certain number of days and then it's eternal dirt nap nothingness. Time's a wastin', heathen.


I enjoy arguing.
 
2014-03-29 04:53:55 PM  
How does tit for tat bullshiat help anyone?

r/atheism is extra brilliant today
 
2014-03-29 04:54:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Wait until the Mormons find out about this:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 387x302]



They knew from the start.

They were cool with it.  They even bought ads in the playbook:

www.blogography.com
 
2014-03-29 04:54:49 PM  

Karac: kwame: cameroncrazy1984: kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

I'm confused as to why you would think an educational group would not want to educate people.

Sitting around waiting for opportunities to counter religious activities isn't education. It's combative. Don't get me wrong (this sentence will be ignored for most if the thread); religious groups shouldn't get a blank check to do what they choose. But firing back by mimicking activities doesn't accomplish anything.

So Gideons shouldn't have been allowed to hand out Bibles to school children.
But they did, and so you think atheists response should be to do ... nothing?


I don't know what their response should be. I just know that pointing fingers and demanding to do the same thing won't accomplish anything. It won't convince anyone if anything, it won't open a dialogue about boundaries, it won't get anyone to respect their position in that community.
 
2014-03-29 04:55:44 PM  
Sure. Why not?
 
2014-03-29 04:56:27 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: How come you atheists waste your days arguing with religious people? I mean, you only have a certain number of days and then it's eternal dirt nap nothingness. Time's a wastin', heathen.


Why do Christians give a damn about what happens here on Earth at all? After all, this is just a temporary, transient plane of existence. An eternal paradise awaits you in the after life, so why bother with what happens here?
 
2014-03-29 04:57:26 PM  
If they really wanted to convert kids to Atheism, they should have also handed out Bibles.
 
2014-03-29 04:58:01 PM  
They should have distributed not only atheist literature but holy books of other religions including different Bible versions and translations. As an atheist interested in Christian history I have several Christian bibles. My favorite is an ecumenical translation in French done by a team including different Christian denominations and also Jews. It's full of notes on why a translation was chosen over an other or why they changed it since a previous edition. A book that should be beside every Gideons' Bibles in motels is Carl Sagan's "A Demon Hunted World" but it would probably get vandalized or put in the trash.
 
2014-03-29 04:58:33 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: How come you atheists waste your days arguing with religious people? I mean, you only have a certain number of days and then it's eternal dirt nap nothingness. Time's a wastin', heathen.


Well kwame you can breath easier now. This at least four times dumber than what you said.
 
2014-03-29 04:59:03 PM  

kwame: Karac: kwame: cameroncrazy1984: kwame: You would think a group that postures itself as enlightened and educated would pursue an avenue other than THEY DO IT SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

I'm confused as to why you would think an educational group would not want to educate people.

Sitting around waiting for opportunities to counter religious activities isn't education. It's combative. Don't get me wrong (this sentence will be ignored for most if the thread); religious groups shouldn't get a blank check to do what they choose. But firing back by mimicking activities doesn't accomplish anything.

So Gideons shouldn't have been allowed to hand out Bibles to school children.
But they did, and so you think atheists response should be to do ... nothing?

I don't know what their response should be. I just know that pointing fingers and demanding to do the same thing won't accomplish anything. It won't convince anyone if anything, it won't open a dialogue about boundaries, it won't get anyone to respect their position in that community.


Yes, but if atheists, along with Wiccans, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and every other religion start piling on with things like this, then maybe, just maybe, the evangelical dickbags might just rethink pushing their religion into schools thing. Or not. Either way, the kids are exposed to a wider range of views, which is not a bad thing at all.
 
2014-03-29 05:00:13 PM  

talkertopc: They should have distributed not only atheist literature but holy books of other religions including different Bible versions and translations. As an atheist interested in Christian history I have several Christian bibles. My favorite is an ecumenical translation in French done by a team including different Christian denominations and also Jews. It's full of notes on why a translation was chosen over an other or why they changed it since a previous edition. A book that should be beside every Gideons' Bibles in motels is Carl Sagan's "A Demon Hunted World" but it would probably get vandalized or put in the trash.


If you think about practically applying this suggestion, it becomes pretty obvious how the atheist responses like this have nothing to do with the 12 year old kid being handed the material as much as thumbing their noses at the Gideon groups.
 
2014-03-29 05:04:20 PM  
School should be where kids go to learn, math, science, grammar, art, how to edit a facebook friend's baby's picture and repost it, music, etc.

 img.fark.net
 
2014-03-29 05:04:24 PM  
I'm surprised Monopoly rules don't include Gideon bibles with the hotels, either as an expense or a way to buy another hotel (for 100 bibles, f'rinstance).

I'm partial to the hotels than have Buddhist books, next to the Books of Mormon, and Gideons. My gerbil likes to refer to it whenever he encounters Richard Gere in the bar or lobby.
 
2014-03-29 05:04:46 PM  

kwame: talkertopc: They should have distributed not only atheist literature but holy books of other religions including different Bible versions and translations. As an atheist interested in Christian history I have several Christian bibles. My favorite is an ecumenical translation in French done by a team including different Christian denominations and also Jews. It's full of notes on why a translation was chosen over an other or why they changed it since a previous edition. A book that should be beside every Gideons' Bibles in motels is Carl Sagan's "A Demon Hunted World" but it would probably get vandalized or put in the trash.

If you think about practically applying this suggestion, it becomes pretty obvious how the atheist responses like this have nothing to do with the 12 year old kid being handed the material as much as thumbing their noses at the Gideon groups.


Oh those poor bible thumpers, why oh why won't the big mean atheists leave them alone and let them push their religion onto everyone's kids without interfering?
 
2014-03-29 05:04:49 PM  
Good. If you're going to let one group distribute books, be willing to let everyone.

/Christian
//Not the fundie kind
///Wouldn't mind I my kid came home with a copy of the Koran
 
2014-03-29 05:05:30 PM  

LectertheChef: kwame:
I don't know what their response should be. I just know that pointing fingers and demanding to do the same thing won't accomplish anything. It won't convince anyone if anything, it won't open a dialogue about boundaries, it won't get anyone to respect their position in that community.

Yes, but if atheists, along with Wiccans, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and every other religion start piling on with things like this, then maybe, just maybe, the evangelical dickbags might just rethink pushing their religion into schools thing. Or not. Either way, the kids are exposed to a wider range of views, which is not a bad thing at all.


This.  Break their little unofficial exclusivity arrangements, and a lot of the evangelical contingent become amenable to just calling a halt to the whole thing.
 
2014-03-29 05:09:21 PM  
Personally I would be pretty upset about the Gideons being allowed to hand out Bibles to elementary school students. The article doesn't make it clear how they were distributed, but if the schools were involved then that would appear to violate the first amendment of the constitution. The separation of church and state is not a difficult concept to understand. Study it out.

I'll take it another step and say that proselytizing to minors (even outside of schools) should be illegal without the express consent of their parents or guardians. Minors are a protected class.

I'm positive that if a group of Muslims were to hand out Islamic literature to minors the parents would have had a collective cow. [Insert Hindu joke here.]

The atheists wanting to have "equal access" seems to me to be not only combative, but an expansion of a repugnant practice that sets an unacceptable precedent.
 
2014-03-29 05:14:51 PM  
Heh, the first two comments on that page sum up the entire thing:

A:  Neither group should be passing out anything in a school.

B:  Agreed, but they're going to allow one, they have to allow all. I'm dealing with this nonsense in my daughters school.
I didn't spend all my time in the military so I could watch the Constitution violated.
 
2014-03-29 05:19:05 PM  

LectertheChef: kwame: talkertopc: They should have distributed not only atheist literature but holy books of other religions including different Bible versions and translations. As an atheist interested in Christian history I have several Christian bibles. My favorite is an ecumenical translation in French done by a team including different Christian denominations and also Jews. It's full of notes on why a translation was chosen over an other or why they changed it since a previous edition. A book that should be beside every Gideons' Bibles in motels is Carl Sagan's "A Demon Hunted World" but it would probably get vandalized or put in the trash.

If you think about practically applying this suggestion, it becomes pretty obvious how the atheist responses like this have nothing to do with the 12 year old kid being handed the material as much as thumbing their noses at the Gideon groups.

Oh those poor bible thumpers, why oh why won't the big mean atheists leave them alone and let them push their religion onto everyone's kids without interfering?


That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Well done?
 
2014-03-29 05:20:14 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: How come you atheists waste your days arguing with religious people? I mean, you only have a certain number of days and then it's eternal dirt nap nothingness. Time's a wastin', heathen.


Because proselytizing is annoying. I respond by proselytizing on why you need to get out of my face. Atheists doing the same thing is dumb as dirt though.

/atheist
//does not give a crap about your beliefs
///does not care to share mine
 
2014-03-29 05:21:07 PM  
Would it be okay to work in a school cafeteria and force kids to eat the parts of the almighty FSM?
 
2014-03-29 05:21:48 PM  
One group of Dicks trying to Out-Dick another group of Dicks.

Taa-Daa
 
2014-03-29 05:28:29 PM  
Countering religious propaganda already being pushed on children in schools is just as bad as pushing religious propaganda on kids in school.

/ utterly ridiculous
 
2014-03-29 05:33:01 PM  

Wooly Bully: Countering religious propaganda already being pushed on children in schools is just as bad as pushing religious propaganda on kids in school.

/ utterly ridiculous


So, just let the religious propaganda go unchallenged, then?  I think not.
 
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