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(C|Net)   Use Firefox? You're a homophobic swine. More resignations ensue   (cnet.com) divider line 147
    More: Followup, Firefox, swines, World Wide Web Consortium, Chief Technology Officer Brendan Eich, mobile computing, Mozilla, resignations, change managements  
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2014-03-29 12:00:16 PM  
this country is farked.
 
2014-03-29 12:07:33 PM  
Again?
 
2014-03-29 12:11:30 PM  

HawgWild: Again?


Previous one had a couple of devs resigning. This time it's Mozilla board members.
 
2014-03-29 12:15:30 PM  
So, what are we supposed to replace it with (on pc's)? As annoyed as I am that this guy was made the CEO, apparently he was the CTO for a number of years and no one gave a damn?

/posted from my FF browser
 
2014-03-29 12:17:39 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: HawgWild: Again?

Previous one had a couple of devs resigning. This time it's Mozilla board members.


But they aren't even resigning because of his Prop 8 stance.
 
2014-03-29 12:20:25 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: HawgWild: Again?

Previous one had a couple of devs resigning. This time it's Mozilla board members.


Ah.

Well ... didn't care last time. Don't care this time.

/posted from my gaymosexual-hating Firefox browser
 
2014-03-29 12:34:36 PM  
About 3 months ago I switched to using Chrome exclusively. Too many issues with Firefox. It never played video smoothly for me, it would always freeze web pages (Not responding), and it was a memory hog. Chrome isn't perfect ether, but works better than Firefox for me.
 
2014-03-29 01:13:52 PM  

Walker: About 3 months ago I switched to using Chrome exclusively. Too many issues with Firefox. It never played video smoothly for me, it would always freeze web pages (Not responding), and it was a memory hog. Chrome isn't perfect ether, but works better than Firefox for me.


I've been 99% on Chrome for a couple of years now. Firefox got stupid unfortunately.
 
2014-03-29 01:22:45 PM  
I use chrome and firefox, depending on which alt I am this week.
 
2014-03-29 01:33:08 PM  
I'm guessing that this guy isn't staying long.
 
2014-03-29 01:52:36 PM  
When asked for comment, Mozilla CEO said [not responding].
 
2014-03-29 02:06:39 PM  
they really could not have picked a worse photo of that guy. ...or is that just his face?

anyway, no one uses firefox anymore.
 
2014-03-29 02:19:49 PM  
Still using Firefox, it's still the most reliable and customizable. Chrome is a crashy piece of shiat on my computer.
 
2014-03-29 02:25:25 PM  
Normally in browser threads I'd try and promote Opera, but they've decided to try and fix their problems by abandoning everything that made it good.

So now I have no browser I care about. There's a dead hollow inside me.
 
2014-03-29 03:27:20 PM  

TheOmni: Normally in browser threads I'd try and promote Opera, but they've decided to try and fix their problems by abandoning everything that made it good.So now I have no browser I care about. There's a dead hollow inside me.


The fat lady is singing?


I've used Opera as my main browser for a long, long time but I'm using other stuff more and more. Mostly Chrome and Safari.
 
2014-03-29 03:27:53 PM  
Anybody who matters uses Lynx.

/Images, who needs 'em?
//ASCII porn should be good enough for anyone
 
2014-03-29 03:28:59 PM  
Chrome Canary (Blink) is pretty good.  Straight Chrome is alright.  Iron is good (Chrome without Google tracking).

I haven't used FF since the early 3s except to test Enyo apps.
 
2014-03-29 03:31:53 PM  
Oh, now I remember why I always use Firefox. I forgot Fark actually had ads ...

/on Chrome at the moment
//about to switch back
 
2014-03-29 03:36:41 PM  

HawgWild: Oh, now I remember why I always use Firefox. I forgot Fark actually had ads ...

/on Chrome at the moment
//about to switch back


They have multiple ad blocking extensions for Chrome, too.
 
2014-03-29 03:40:10 PM  

TheOmni: Normally in browser threads I'd try and promote Opera, but they've decided to try and fix their problems by abandoning everything that made it good.

So now I have no browser I care about. There's a dead hollow inside me.


Somehow this. I got tired of Firefox's constant compatibility issues, so switched to IE10 in late '12 after nearly a decade on FF (now IE11). At first FF was lean and faster than IE, then it pioneered cool new features. Then it became bloated and lost its edge. I've never tried Chrome, Opera or Safari, and IE is a workmanlike browser, but I'm totally like, meh. Whatevs.
 
2014-03-29 03:40:22 PM  
I use chrome whenever I want to give google all my data, or allow ads to track me.

I use FF + ghostery when I want less identity leaky browsing.
 
2014-03-29 03:47:09 PM  
Use Firefox? You're a homophobic swine. 

Well, yeah?
 
2014-03-29 03:48:05 PM  

Generation_D: I use chrome whenever I want to give google all my data, or allow ads to track me.

I use FF + ghostery when I want less identity leaky browsing.


you get ghosterly for chrome now too.
 
2014-03-29 03:48:55 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-29 03:51:41 PM  

sugardave: HawgWild: Oh, now I remember why I always use Firefox. I forgot Fark actually had ads ...

/on Chrome at the moment
//about to switch back

They have multiple ad blocking extensions for Chrome, too.


Oh, this is so much better ...
 
2014-03-29 03:53:22 PM  

twistedmetal: I use chrome and firefox, depending on which alt I am this week.


You mean you go both ways? NTTAWWT.
 
2014-03-29 03:56:57 PM  
tor browser
 
2014-03-29 04:01:07 PM  

Smoking GNU: Generation_D: I use chrome whenever I want to give google all my data, or allow ads to track me.

I use FF + ghostery when I want less identity leaky browsing.

you get ghosterly for chrome now too.


Its still google. I do not trust google.
 
2014-03-29 04:03:44 PM  

Generation_D: Its still google. I do not trust google.


Then you might want to look into who's backing Mozilla.
 
2014-03-29 04:06:28 PM  

Walker: About 3 months ago I switched to using Chrome exclusively. Too many issues with Firefox. It never played video smoothly for me, it would always freeze web pages (Not responding), and it was a memory hog. Chrome isn't perfect ether, but works better than Firefox for me.


Bit longer than that for me. I jumped ship when FF started getting bloated as hell and took an awful long time loading when I tried opening it. It's gotten a little better lately, but not enough to make me switch back.

Oddly, I've had one fairly irritating issue with Chrome I haven't seen anywhere else. Twice now since using it, all of the tabs I'll have open will suddenly go to the "Aw snap, unable to connect to the site!" page with a dead file folder (complete with X_X eyes) for no reason. Seriously, every single tab will have loaded, but suddenly they all go "Whoops, not yours!" and I end up having to refresh the lot of them...
 
2014-03-29 04:10:04 PM  
That article assumed a lot of background knowledge on the part of its readers. What the hell has this Eich guy been up to that everybody has their panties in a twist? Am I, as a reader, expected to do research because the author was too lazy to include the reasons (aside from them wanting a CEO from outside who has mobile experience) people are pissed off? Because when he brought up the gay married couple angle he should have made it clear why that gay married part of the story was important.
 
2014-03-29 04:11:16 PM  
First, what a DREADFULLY written article.  It makes ZERO substantiation or even reference to the "2008 stance" touted in the headline.

As one of the comments there reads,

I completely agree. I actually read this thing 3 times all the way through thinking that I had missed it somewhere, and now I am just annoyed. The 2008 stance or remarks are clearly a critical piece of context for the reader to understand then story and formulate their own opinion. This is a major oversight by both the author and the editor. How embarrassing.

CNET was already a piece of shart (malware-izing everything on Download.com, selling out a major CES award), but this is just plain LOUSY "reporting".  They could not disappear soon enough.

Second, the Mozilla browsers are still better than Chrome, which in addition to bringing your every keystroke into the collective (an exaggeration I hope) stinks at opening multiple tabs, hogs the crap out of system memory, and most importantly demotes plugins to the extent that Adblock doesn't work properly.  We've been biatching about it in a Chrome-specific thread here.
 Third, if I knew just what the story was -- because CNET is incompetent I do not yet -- I might consider joining the boycott.  I know I can search, but anybody want to explain?  Did he just say "I'm against gay marriage"?  That by itself probably is enough to justify a Mozilla boycott, if they are inane enough to pick a bigot as CEO.


Mozilla has always (well at least since they dumped the namesake communicator suite) been interested in one thing only, chasing money.  They've made a long series of bad decisions -- bloating up Firefox, dumping the suite, dumping Thunderbird, sucking at Google's exclusive teat, treating their users like idiots and dumbing down Firefox  -- and their browsers are not great any more.  Firefox on Android is AWFUL.  It's like a really bad early beta of a browser that's going to be bad.

Also, does he have eyes?
 
2014-03-29 04:16:36 PM  

Generation_D: Smoking GNU: Generation_D: I use chrome whenever I want to give google all my data, or allow ads to track me.

I use FF + ghostery when I want less identity leaky browsing.

you get ghosterly for chrome now too.

Its still google. I do not trust google.


Check out Iron:  http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php
 
2014-03-29 04:17:37 PM  

HawgWild: Oh, now I remember why I always use Firefox. I forgot Fark actually had ads ...

/on Chrome at the moment
//about to switch back


Seriously?  They show me ads, and as a liter I've whitelisted them but Fark seriously shows ads to people forking over $60/year and providing the site's content?

That's pretty sad.
 
2014-03-29 04:18:34 PM  
FYI Seamonkey -- what's left of the bones of the Mozilla / Netscape Communicator suite -- is enjoying its benign neglect from Mozilla, works better than Firefox, and takes up less memory than Firefox + Thunderbird.

Occasional issues with user agent recognition from some web sites and/or availability of add-ons, but it's still a better bet than Firefox or Chrome/Chromium.

Of course, if this becomes a full-bore boycott I guess it would have to cover Thunderbird and Seamonkey too.  :(
 
2014-03-29 04:19:15 PM  
I'm running Netscape behind 12 proxies
 
2014-03-29 04:20:37 PM  
I'm a little confused - I've been using Firefox since I can't even remember when.  Never had a major problem that I can recall on any system I used it (all Windows variants).  Aside from memory usage issues, it's never given me a problem (and even that isn't really much of a problem).

Do people really find Firefox buggy?  I believe you if you say it is (I've had enough trouble with some programs and everyone else is fine), I'm just really, really surprised.
 
2014-03-29 04:29:20 PM  

somemoron: I'm a little confused - I've been using Firefox since I can't even remember when.  Never had a major problem that I can recall on any system I used it (all Windows variants).  Aside from memory usage issues, it's never given me a problem (and even that isn't really much of a problem).

Do people really find Firefox buggy?  I believe you if you say it is (I've had enough trouble with some programs and everyone else is fine), I'm just really, really surprised.


I think it's just that Chrome came out at the right time, when Firefox was at its worst memory devouring state, and for some reason Chrome enjoyed enough of a Google goodwill halo/reality distortion field that people didn't seem to mind that it was getting trojanned onto their PCs with every Adobe update or misclick on the Google home page.

I always thought it seemed a clunky, badly written and rough-functioning browser with questionable page caching behavior (pages flip in and out unpredictably, often remnants from a much older browser session), but I think people were just happy to have something fast.  But as I found out when I tried out Chromium, that initial speed quickly disappears as the browser devours your memory with massive hits for every tab in its own process.

So Firefox wasn't that bad, and Chrome certainly wasn't that good.  They used the same attempt to take over the user as every other trojan, and because it was from Google and worked fast, they succeeded.  (This had worked less successfully with the Google Toolbar add-ins, which people eventually realized were ALMOST as bad as the other useless toolbars that had been similarly pushed down at them as drive-by adware.)
 
2014-03-29 04:31:06 PM  

Walker: and it was a memory hog.


You probably have 8 gigs of memory on your system. And the odds of that 8 gigs ever being filled, unless you are doing hardcore database or art work, is nil. Being a memory hog might have mattered back when everybody only had 512 megabytes of ram, but biatching about it now is stupid. It means you'd rather have all that memory sitting in your system not doing anything at all than be used as memory, the only reason it was dug out of the ground and melted into chip form.
 
2014-03-29 04:31:30 PM  
I'm using Firefox and posting from a Chik-fil-a

/free wifi!
//and a mocha shake!
 
2014-03-29 04:35:15 PM  

red5ish: That article assumed a lot of background knowledge on the part of its readers. What the hell has this Eich guy been up to that everybody has their panties in a twist? Am I, as a reader, expected to do research because the author was too lazy to include the reasons (aside from them wanting a CEO from outside who has mobile experience) people are pissed off? Because when he brought up the gay married couple angle he should have made it clear why that gay married part of the story was important.


Dammit, I clicked on this thread hoping one of you people would have that information.
 
2014-03-29 04:35:46 PM  

Far Cough: Third, if I knew just what the story was -- because CNET is incompetent I do not yet -- I might consider joining the boycott.  I know I can search, but anybody want to explain?  Did he just say "I'm against gay marriage"?  That by itself probably is enough to justify a Mozilla boycott, if they are inane enough to pick a bigot as CEO.


He donated a thousand bucks to support Prop 8.

I strongly disagree with anyone's support of Prop 8, and if you donate to that cause, so much the worse. But if you want to boycott an organization based on the political contributions of one of its leaders -- NOT based on corporate policies, NOT based on harm that its products do to your cause -- I'm not really sure what to say to you.

SAS Institute, the maker of SAS software, is headed by Jim Goodnight and John Sall. Both are billionaires, and both are heavy political contributors -- Goodnight to Republican candidates and causes, Sall to Democratic candidates and causes. So, do I boycott SAS? If I do, I'll hurt the party I disagree with, but I'll also hurt the party I agree with! WHAT SHOULD I DO???
 
2014-03-29 04:36:33 PM  
I used CCleaner last night to blow the gunk out and boy do I feel refreshed.
 
2014-03-29 04:39:05 PM  

AgentPothead: Walker: and it was a memory hog.

You probably have 8 gigs of memory on your system. And the odds of that 8 gigs ever being filled, unless you are doing hardcore database or art work, is nil. Being a memory hog might have mattered back when everybody only had 512 megabytes of ram, but biatching about it now isou c stupid. It means you'd rather have all that memory sitting in your system not doing anything at all than be used as memory, the only reason it was dug out of the ground and melted into chip form.


You clearly underestimate the gusto with which modern applications greet any opportunity to expand their memory footprint arbitrarily.  Browsers that are piggy (like Chrome and older versions of Firefox) or that excessively pre-cache are one such culprit but they're not alone.  I agree that the memory is there to be used, but it should be used fairly and wisely.  Also, the sluggishness that ensues seems to kick in far before all the actual RAM is allocated.  In short, computers still don't work that well.  Please see ancedotes from "lordargent" at http://www.fark.com/comments/8198236/HuffPo-headline-17-fixes-to-comm o n-internet-problems-we-all-know-hate-Reality-headline-This-is-a-long-c opy-ad-for-Google-Chrome
 
2014-03-29 04:39:18 PM  
Okay, so what's the deal with Chrome not letting me resize images I want to post on Fark?!

Posting images is sorta my thing. That's normally how I post. Instead of, you know, words.
 
2014-03-29 04:44:21 PM  
This whole boycott thing has gotten out of hand.

Sure, fark that guy for supporting Prop 8 financially. But you don't get to try and destroy his career because he's not on your side.  And you sure as hell don't burn down an entire company just because one, single employee out of who knows how many doesn't like what you like.

If you're going to fight for equality, you have to realize this also means people who don't agree with you get the same right to live their life how they want.

And you sure as hell aren't going to convince him to stop being homophobic by trying to get him fired for being homophobic.
 
2014-03-29 04:46:08 PM  

Codenamechaz: And you sure as hell don't burn down an entire company just because one, single employee out of who knows how many doesn't like what you like.


We're not talking about "an employee." We're talking about a leader -- the leader of a community needs to act in a way that reflects that community. Prejudice and hate doesn't really fly in open source these days.
 
2014-03-29 04:46:15 PM  

HawgWild: Okay, so what's the deal with Chrome not letting me resize images I want to post on Fark?!

Posting images is sorta my thing. That's normally how I post. Instead of, you know, words.


Please be more specific. I also post a lot of images to Fark and I don't understand your question.
 
2014-03-29 04:47:08 PM  

jfarkinB: Far Cough: Third, if I knew just what the story was -- because CNET is incompetent I do not yet -- I might consider joining the boycott.  I know I can search, but anybody want to explain?  Did he just say "I'm against gay marriage"?  That by itself probably is enough to justify a Mozilla boycott, if they are inane enough to pick a bigot as CEO.

He donated a thousand bucks to support Prop 8.

I strongly disagree with anyone's support of Prop 8, and if you donate to that cause, so much the worse. But if you want to boycott an organization based on the political contributions of one of its leaders -- NOT based on corporate policies, NOT based on harm that its products do to your cause -- I'm not really sure what to say to you.

SAS Institute, the maker of SAS software, is headed by Jim Goodnight and John Sall. Both are billionaires, and both are heavy political contributors -- Goodnight to Republican candidates and causes, Sall to Democratic candidates and causes. So, do I boycott SAS? If I do, I'll hurt the party I disagree with, but I'll also hurt the party I agree with! WHAT SHOULD I DO???


Thanks.  Except that the CEO is "the" leader, and the board that puts him in place shows that they endorse him as their figurehead.  So if Mozilla as an entity is happy to be led by an avowed public bigot, fark 'em.  They should be better than that.  I hope they reconsider.

Jobs was a real farking dickhead, which is one of many reasons I mostly avoid Apple products.  I similarly avoid "Trump" products and services (mostly) and Coors beer.  I don't see anything unusual about deciding where to place one's trust and business based on the actions or positions of the company and its leaders.  It also doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.
 
2014-03-29 04:48:20 PM  

red5ish: HawgWild: Okay, so what's the deal with Chrome not letting me resize images I want to post on Fark?!

Posting images is sorta my thing. That's normally how I post. Instead of, you know, words.

Please be more specific. I also post a lot of images to Fark and I don't understand your question.


Re-size. Make smaller or larger. Just grab a corner when the cursor turns diagonal and go to town. Can't do that on the Chrome browser.
 
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