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2014-03-29 09:43:24 AM
Gosh darn it all.  I clicked on a washington times link.  Now I ave to take another shower.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 11:13:00 AM
I guess we'll just have to go with the single payer system then.
 
2014-03-29 11:25:20 AM
I love my Obamacare. suck it haters
 
2014-03-29 11:34:55 AM
Like all of the social programs in the last 50 years; ACA was a great idea, on paper. I mean, come on, who wouldn't want everybody to have access to affordable healthcare?

But, like every other social program in the last 50 years, congress got its greasy mitts on ACA. So; 1,400 pages of graft, patronage and special projects later; we're not noticeably better off and ACA has started lining the pockets of the obscenely wealthy.
 
2014-03-29 11:41:39 AM
Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.
 
2014-03-29 11:43:54 AM
And idiocy is at the all time highness. This is not the coincidence.

However it is time for the single payer system as everyone knows this is the way of doing things unless you are the dumbf*ck.
 
2014-03-29 11:53:04 AM

Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.


50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition
 
2014-03-29 12:09:19 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition


Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win
 
2014-03-29 12:11:19 PM

meow said the dog: And idiocy is at the all time highness. This is not the coincidence.

However it is time for the single payer system as everyone knows this is the way of doing things unless you are the dumbf*ck.


Coinwinnadence, this was not your all time highness.

/I agree, single payer is the only way to go
 
2014-03-29 12:33:39 PM

iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win


The last time these guys beat Hillary was in 93 with HillaryCare (which they ironically tried to replace with ObamaCare).  She knows how to deal with them and there is nothing left with Benghazi that they can touch her with.  It won't be any more effective than Whitewater was, and if they decide to go after Bill's infidelity like Rand Paul threatened, then you might as well inaugurate her now.
 
2014-03-29 12:41:19 PM

iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win


I'm not saying they won't be biatching, they'll just move on to something else.

She had always planned on serving one term as Sec of State.  Benghazi had fark all to do with it.

If she runs, she will win.

/not a huge Hillary supporter, btw - but I'll take her over ANY Republican
 
2014-03-29 12:43:17 PM

Mentat: iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win

The last time these guys beat Hillary was in 93 with HillaryCare (which they ironically tried to replace with ObamaCare).  She knows how to deal with them and there is nothing left with Benghazi that they can touch her with.  It won't be any more effective than Whitewater was, and if they decide to go after Bill's infidelity like Rand Paul threatened, then you might as well inaugurate her now.


She would face a lot of questions over her resignation as Secretary of State. Plus, she'll be 68 ish in 2016. She's going have to address questions about her health; which she may or may not wish to do.

/ I, personally, don't think she'll run. She lost to Obama in 2008; and I think that there are better, less polarizing democratic candidates.
 
2014-03-29 12:53:36 PM

iheartscotch: She would face a lot of questions over her resignation as Secretary of State. Plus, she'll be 68 ish in 2016. She's going have to address questions about her health; which she may or may not wish to do.

/ I, personally, don't think she'll run. She lost to Obama in 2008; and I think that there are better, less polarizing democratic candidates.


I would expect no less from the GOP than to keep beating the Benghazi drum, and harass a respected elder stateswoman about her age - that'll get them lots of votes.
 
2014-03-29 12:56:03 PM

Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.


Because we'll all have alzheimer's
 
2014-03-29 01:03:50 PM

DarwiOdrade: iheartscotch: She would face a lot of questions over her resignation as Secretary of State. Plus, she'll be 68 ish in 2016. She's going have to address questions about her health; which she may or may not wish to do.

/ I, personally, don't think she'll run. She lost to Obama in 2008; and I think that there are better, less polarizing democratic candidates.

I would expect no less from the GOP than to keep beating the Benghazi drum, and harass a respected elder stateswoman about her age - that'll get them lots of votes.


You see my point though? She is the one who resigned as Secretary of State. There were plenty of rumors at the time concerning her health. I figure it would be better for her if she got out in front of the rumor mill; and categorically deny that she has any major health concerns; or whatever.

/ I'm just reminded of the 3rd or 4th season of the West Wing; when it finally came out that Jeb Bartlett had MS and everybody was scrambling to cover their butts.
 
2014-03-29 01:07:34 PM

iheartscotch: You see my point though? She is the one who resigned as Secretary of State.


Which see said she would do more than a year before Benghazi

Dude, you're as stubborn as Issa

That's not good
 
2014-03-29 01:19:24 PM
Here's a better link on the subject for those of us who wish to avoid the WashingtonTimes derp machine:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/survey-finds-1-4-americans-suppo rt -new-health-care-law/
 
2014-03-29 01:23:22 PM

Lionel Mandrake: iheartscotch: You see my point though? She is the one who resigned as Secretary of State.

Which see said she would do more than a year before Benghazi

Dude, you're as stubborn as Issa

That's not good


Sometimes, stubborn is good; and sometimes stubborn is bad. I'll agree that I am pretty stubborn.
 
2014-03-29 01:35:30 PM

iheartscotch: But, like every other social program in the last 50 years, congress got its greasy mitts on ACA. So; 1,400 pages of graft, patronage and special projects later; we're not noticeably better off and ACA has started lining the pockets of the obscenely wealthy.


What's important is that you've managed to feel smug about it.
 
2014-03-29 01:48:24 PM
boy, it's almost as if 24-hours-a-day of anti-obamacare stories manufactured by the right and parroted by the mainstream media is having some effect on the american public.

now the last poll i saw said that while many aren't fond of 'obamacare,' the vast majority of americans either want to keep it, expand it or at least keep it and fix it. only a minority (the usual 25-30 percent) want it repealed.
 
2014-03-29 01:54:47 PM

Hobodeluxe: I love my Obamacare. suck it haters


Me, too. Obama is the reason I have health care insurance today.

Congressional Republicans support a plan that would allow health insurance companies to once again exclude people with pre-existing conditions. Fark them.
 
2014-03-29 02:27:02 PM

iheartscotch: Mentat: iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win

The last time these guys beat Hillary was in 93 with HillaryCare (which they ironically tried to replace with ObamaCare).  She knows how to deal with them and there is nothing left with Benghazi that they can touch her with.  It won't be any more effective than Whitewater was, and if they decide to go after Bill's infidelity like Rand Paul threatened, then you might as well inaugurate her now.

She would face a lot of questions over her resignation as Secretary of State. Plus, she'll be 68 ish in 2016. She's going have to address questions about her health; which she may or may not wish to do.

/ I, personally, don't think she'll run. She lost to Obama in 2008; and I think that there are better, less polarizing democratic candidates.


Mitt Romney was 65 when he ran in 2012.
McCain was 72 in 2008.
Bob Dole was 73 in 1996.
Bush the Elder was 68 in 1992 and 64 in 1988.
Ronald Reagan was 73 in 1984, and 69 in 1980.
Gerald Ford was 63 in 1976.

Please, explain how the Republican Party will be able to even attempt to use Hillary's age against her when they have a proven and consistent record of nominating people of about the same age or older.

And while you're at it, you can explain how resigning as SoS prevented her from being given a subpoena to testify before Issa's congressional witchhunt committee?
 
2014-03-29 02:30:19 PM
Moonie Times

www.bibleprobe.com
 
2014-03-29 02:31:11 PM
Sliger illustrates the prevailing national mood. Although a Democrat, she's strongly opposed to Obama's signature legislation. Yet she thinks "Obamacare" is here to stay.
"I like the idea that if you have a pre-existing condition you can't be turned down, but I don't like the idea that if you don't have health insurance you'll be fined," said Sliger.



Yeah, that really does sum up the prevalent thought about the law doesn't it?
 
2014-03-29 02:33:05 PM
The Moonies are concerned.  iheartscotch is concerned. Lots of people seem to be concerned.
 
2014-03-29 02:34:37 PM

Mrtraveler01: Sliger illustrates the prevailing national mood. Although a Democrat, she's strongly opposed to Obama's signature legislation. Yet she thinks "Obamacare" is here to stay.
"I like the idea that if you have a pre-existing condition you can't be turned down, but I don't like the idea that if you don't have health insurance you'll be fined," said Sliger.


Yeah, that really does sum up the prevalent thought about the law doesn't it?


Actually, that about sums up America.  "I love the idea of the service, in fact let's go with the gold-plated version, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay for it".

Good luck with that.
 
2014-03-29 02:37:07 PM

iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win


Ok you're a Benghazi conspiracy theorist. Enough said.
 
2014-03-29 02:38:05 PM
So support is down. So, according to the article is opposition. What is up is the wait&see attitude which has tripled since December.

People like the good parts and dislike the bad parts. That's how a new law or policy should work. Deal with it, haters.
 
2014-03-29 02:38:37 PM

Lorelle: Hobodeluxe: I love my Obamacare. suck it haters

Me, too. Obama is the reason I have health care insurance today.

Congressional Republicans support a plan that would allow health insurance companies to once again exclude people with pre-existing conditions. Fark them.


That'e because all Republicans are evil and so is anyone who supports them on any issue.  This is verifiable, objective fact.
 
2014-03-29 02:41:45 PM
Looks like polling season is upon us again. Sure glad Silver's back in business.
I basically only pay attention to polls when it gets close to election times.
 
2014-03-29 02:42:41 PM

unyon: Actually, that about sums up America.  "I love the idea of the service, in fact let's go with the gold-plated version, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay for it".

Good luck with that.


Only because it was pitched as socialism and not a new war. We just need to sell it as a "War on illness" so Fox News can get their base behind it.
 
2014-03-29 02:43:24 PM

vpb: I guess we'll just have to go with the single payer system then.


Preach it, brother!
 
2014-03-29 02:43:50 PM
More like "well duh" according to butthurt Republicans like subby.
 
2014-03-29 02:48:29 PM

oldernell: Gosh darn it all.  I clicked on a washington times link.  Now I ave to take another shower.


I was going to ask, what kind of professional news organization calls the ACA, Obamacare, and then I saw the site.

NVM
 
2014-03-29 02:49:45 PM
Single payer isn't going to resolve anything unless it's matched with federally mandated hospital payment rate setting that drastically reduces the current 300-600% profit margins of the large hospital affiliations. Throw in capping payment rates for specialists for good measure.
 
2014-03-29 02:52:25 PM
So 74% of Americans want to be denied healthcare because of a preexisting condition? 74% want lifetime caps re-instituted? 74% want their adult kids kicked off their insurance? 74% want millions of Americans who are now covered by Medicare to be cut off? Yyyeeaahh... I don't believe it.
 
2014-03-29 02:52:25 PM
http://surveys.ap.org/data/GfK/AP-GfK%20March%202014%20Poll%20Topline % 20%20Final_HEALTH%20CARE.pdf

actual survey here

take a quick look at the REASONS WHY people oppose it.
And then think about KILLING these people.

27% said that they dont know enough about it, but they oppose it.
yup. you should NEVER be allowed to vote or breed again. ever.

seriously, if you are THAT disengaged, but STILL have a negative opinion, you MAY BE a mouth breathing moran.
 
2014-03-29 02:53:08 PM

Cuchulane: Single payer isn't going to resolve anything unless it's matched with federally mandated hospital payment rate setting that drastically reduces the current 300-600% profit margins of the large hospital affiliations. Throw in capping payment rates for specialists for good measure.


you mean like the negotiated medicare/medicaid rates?
 
2014-03-29 02:53:51 PM
That trend wont hold. The right has been basically making up ACA horror stories on a weekly basis. Sure it gets out in the news cycle. Teaderpers and right wing clowns take it as gospel and never question it. Dems and progressive blow holes in the story a mile wide in a day. None of the true believers on either side budge an inch. The independent minded people have to be growing weary cacophony from the right.

Now not everyone on the left is going to run from the ACA this election season. It's almost inevitable that there is going to be a story about a little kid with a horrible disease that is getting life saving treatment that would not have been possible before the ACA. Independents will respond to that.
 
2014-03-29 02:54:19 PM

Notabunny: So 74% of Americans want to be denied healthcare because of a preexisting condition? 74% want lifetime caps re-instituted? 74% want their adult kids kicked off their insurance? 74% want millions of Americans who are now covered by Medicare to be cut off? Yyyeeaahh... I don't believe it.


img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-29 03:00:54 PM
So here's how Obamacare might recede as an issue. Republican candidates who know repeal alone is untenable make nice noises about the law's popular overall goals. (See GOP Senate candidates Thom Tillis in North Carolina and Terri Land in Michigan; Scott Brown won't say whether he opposes New Hampshire's Medicaid expansion.) Yet when pressed on how they would accomplish those goals, they equivocate, it becomes clear they don't have answers, leading people (who don't want to return to the old system) to conclude Obamacare is the only feasible set of solutions. Meanwhile, people tire of the debate and want candidates to move on already.
 
2014-03-29 03:01:33 PM
Subby also neglected to mention opposition dropped, but hey, you know, that's not important.

Regardless, for their next survey, they should ask about what the ACA does instead of just the ACA. Those are always fun.
 
2014-03-29 03:02:33 PM

grumpfuff: Subby also neglected to mention opposition dropped, but hey, you know, that's not important.

Regardless, for their next survey, they should ask about what the ACA does instead of just the ACA. Those are always fun.


1. Promotes socialism
2. Gets its government into my Medicare
 
2014-03-29 03:04:20 PM

namatad: Cuchulane: Single payer isn't going to resolve anything unless it's matched with federally mandated hospital payment rate setting that drastically reduces the current 300-600% profit margins of the large hospital affiliations. Throw in capping payment rates for specialists for good measure.

you mean like the negotiated medicare/medicaid rates?


No, because in spite of all of the whining and complaining you here from the AMA and AHA, those rates are still way too high. The ability to negotiate part is good, but that why I pointed out that unless there is the political will to cut those rates way, way back, single payer won't help. It really doesn't matter who's making the payments, unless those payments are cut in half or more, there will no sustainable healthcare system.
 
2014-03-29 03:05:03 PM
img.fark.net

I just had a colonoscopy with my new Blue Shield insurance from the California Exchange.  I need one every 2 years due to a pre-existing condition.  Those are the 2 claims that have been posted so far.  Would have wasily been over $1000 out of pocket on my old shiatty insurance.  Thanks Obama!!
 
2014-03-29 03:05:38 PM
*easily
 
2014-03-29 03:07:46 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Meanwhile, people tire of the debate and want candidates to move on already.


well that and people are going to notice that the market plans are actually p good and the prices are p good

here in tejas i went from using a catastrophic plan through work to a platinum plan off the market and saved $100/month
 
2014-03-29 03:07:55 PM

iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win


Nobody outside of the GOP base gives a fark about Benghazi. Nobody. The GOP wants people to care so hard. I'm thinking there is chance for another clean sweep for the Democrats in 2016.
 
2014-03-29 03:10:28 PM

Devo: iheartscotch: Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Once again: People like what's in ObamaCare, they just hate the ObamaCare boogyman the Republicans have created.  50 years from now, no one will remember any of this.

50?  How long did it take for the opposition to Medicare D take to die out?  Granted, the Dems weren't the lying, tenacious pricks that the GOP has been about the ACA, but still...

I think the run-up to the election of President Clinton will be the last most people ever hear of the opposition

Clinton? As in President of the United States Hillary Clinton? Or are we talking Chelsea Clinton?

If Hillary gets elected; the shiat storm will be epic. If you think that the Tea Party is obstructive and disruptive now; it will be worse if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency.

She'll have to answer all those questions about Benghazi that she resigned to avoid answering.

Personally, I think that she's got no chance. The Republicans will tear her a new pooper over her resignation.

/ now, Michelle Obama? If she ran; I think she'd probably win

Nobody outside of the GOP base gives a fark about Benghazi. Nobody. The GOP wants people to care so hard. I'm thinking there is chance for another clean sweep for the Democrats in 2016.


Durr I dunno I think DERP it might hurt Hillary's chances
 
2014-03-29 03:11:46 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: [img.fark.net image 212x84]

I just had a colonoscopy with my new Blue Shield insurance from the California Exchange.  I need one every 2 years due to a pre-existing condition.  Those are the 2 claims that have been posted so far.  Would have wasily been over $1000 out of pocket on my old shiatty insurance.  Thanks Obama!!


MOOCHING LEECH TAKER!

/glad this worked for you
 
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