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(Townhall)   Daryll Issa to investigate into whether the military was told to 'stand down' in Benghazi. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and his own party respond with investigation into whether or not they farking stuttered the last time he asked   (townhall.com) divider line 137
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2014-03-29 08:05:25 PM  

sugardave: ladodger34: Dinki: NewportBarGuy: For a party that wraps themselves in the flag and jerks off at every kind of war footage, these assholes have absolutely no idea how the military works.

They jerk off to war movies, where the Good (US) guys always win.

Which by coincidence is where they get all they need to know about how the military works.

A while back there was a documentary on Independent Lens that chronicled both sides of the AZ SB1070 debate. The fella who sponsored the bill had pictures of John Wayne at his office and he couldn't stop gushing about Mr. Wayne. He was a hero., embodied American values, etc.

John Wayne made some cool movies but to call him a hero is absurd. There are bunches of folks with conservative values that were real American heroes.

Which conservative values?  Hating minorities?  Hating homosexuals?  Hating women?  Hating non-Christians?  Hating the poor?  Promotion of corporate personhood and conveying more rights and privileges to them?


Well, the last real Republican hero I can think of would probably be Eisenhower.
Of course, desegregating the armed forces and using the army to force integration of high schools could hardly be called 'conservative' for the 1950s.
 
2014-03-29 08:05:47 PM  

sugardave: ladodger34: Dinki: NewportBarGuy: For a party that wraps themselves in the flag and jerks off at every kind of war footage, these assholes have absolutely no idea how the military works.

They jerk off to war movies, where the Good (US) guys always win.

Which by coincidence is where they get all they need to know about how the military works.

A while back there was a documentary on Independent Lens that chronicled both sides of the AZ SB1070 debate. The fella who sponsored the bill had pictures of John Wayne at his office and he couldn't stop gushing about Mr. Wayne. He was a hero., embodied American values, etc.

John Wayne made some cool movies but to call him a hero is absurd. There are bunches of folks with conservative values that were real American heroes.

Which conservative values?  Hating minorities?  Hating homosexuals?  Hating women?  Hating non-Christians?  Hating the poor?  Promotion of corporate personhood and conveying more rights and privileges to them?


I was thinking more along the lines of Ted Williams. He was a real damn hero that happened to be conservative. Williams actually never flew combat in WWII, but did in Korea.

Of course, he also lobbied to have negro league players included in the Hall of Fame, so he was probably a RINO.
 
2014-03-29 08:06:36 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: All of this is such a waste of time.  There was a guy who made a video and he is now in jail.  This case was closed in a day.  God people are dumb.


In jail for violating parole.

You're basically right about the rest.
 
2014-03-29 08:08:10 PM  

stoli n coke: Well, John Wayne did talk a good game, but had "other priorities" during World War II, when movie stars were enlisting in droves. Not backing up your tough talk is a kind of conservative value.


He had other priorities during Vietnam as well.  Such as shooting the Green Berets, complete with it's closing scene: watching the sun set over the South China Sea.
 
2014-03-29 08:11:35 PM  

LiberalWeenie: They can lose the support of 70 percent of people in their state and still comfortably win their districts.


i hear this and similar and wonder if it's really true. there is no reason there can't be house candidates as bad as sharon angle and "i am not a witch" and have them lose districts too.
 
2014-03-29 08:22:15 PM  
ladodger34:

A while back there was a documentary on Independent Lens that chronicled both sides of the AZ SB1070 debate. The fella who sponsored the bill had pictures of John Wayne at his office and he couldn't stop gushing about Mr. Wayne. He was a hero., embodied American values, etc.

John Wayne made some cool movies but to call him a hero is absurd. There are bunches of folks with conservative values that were real American heroes.


No one had the heart to tell him that John Wayne was just a character that he made to MOCK cowboys?
 
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2014-03-29 09:00:13 PM  
it is spelled Daryll "Suspected Arsonist" Issa.

very similar to Allen "War Criminal" West or Ted "Cowardly Pedophile" Nugent.
 
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2014-03-29 09:14:51 PM  

AcademGreen: Slightly off topic, but I find it amusing that all points on the political spectrum accuse the other of being low information voters. It's a constant topic of discussion on the far-right blogs, and many are convinced that anyone who votes for a lib/commie/"demorat" are low information voters.


it is constant because it is yet another in a long line of conservative buzzwords that make them feel smarter than everyone else... contrary to observable reality and historical evidence.

anyone that doesn't toe the line 100% is by default a 'low-information' voter. i think this is why they so very much love conspiracy theories. if they know just one extra little 'fact' that makes them even smarter than their peers. maybe Hannity or Rush will agree with them on air even! causing their pants to explode.

i mostly like how conservatives love looking down on the 'low information' voters while at the same time being oblivious to the fact that 'high-misinformation' voters like themselves aren't much better. and probably worse.
 
2014-03-29 09:20:54 PM  
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2014-03-29 09:27:04 PM  

hardinparamedic: dywed88: Did you read some of the later Tom Clancy books? They parrot their talking points pretty much word for word. In one book he based the story around how bringing the detainees in Gitmo to the US and giving them fair trials would result in the downfall of the US.

Tom Clancy was fairly entertaining early on. Without Remorse is one of the best books I have ever read, because of it's bad-ass character and the "Taken"-like scenario. Rainbow Six would have been a lot better if they had spread the plot out in multiple books rather than expanding it in the video games.

He got REAL extreme right real fast, though, in his last years of writing.


o.onionstatic.com
 
2014-03-29 09:30:02 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Millionth time's a charm, eh prick?


Boobiess were good, but this one most accurately sums up my feelings.
 
2014-03-29 09:31:12 PM  
www.bitlogic.com
 
2014-03-29 09:41:16 PM  

Dr. Speed: red5ish: In any investigation there has to be someone who says "That's enough - we're done". In this investigation that person would be Daryll Issa or his successor, who has been given the task to draw out the investigation right through the next presidential primaries. The GOP intends to use Benghazi against HRC if and when she runs so you can quit asking how long this is going to continue - I just told you. Sure it's lame and expensive but it's their plan so get used to it.

Why can't Hilldog just say that Congress cut security funding?


Remember when Obama produced his birth certificate and the Birthers all went away?

Me either.
 
2014-03-29 09:54:29 PM  

grumpfuff: namatad: Fart_Machine: zimbach: Lorelle: I will never forgive Asshat for making Ahnold governor of CA.

But if he hadn't engaged California's recall with simultaneous emergency election free-for-all and instead gone through the normal process, that Asshat might have become governor himself!

No. Nobody liked Issa save for his own safe district.

but that is true for virtually ALL representatives.
when surveys are done they ask awesome questions like:
do you think CONGRESS is doing a good job? EVERYONE says NO!! THEY SUCK!!!
do you think YOUR congress critter is doing a good job? EVERYONE says YES!!! MY GUY ISNT THE PROBLEM.

shudder
I hate stupid people so very much.

I'm kind of annoyed about this line of argument.

My representatives at various times have been Bill Pascrell and Rush Holt. As far as I can tell, neither have ever done anything scandalous or bad.

Sometimes people say their representative is a good one because their representative is actually good.


Ron Paul, Tom DeLay and Pete Olson.

Texas 22nd sucks.
 
2014-03-29 10:44:14 PM  
I bought a few Tom Clancy books after picking up "The Hunt for Red October" in the airport, so then on the next few work trips I picked up "Red Storm Rising", "Patriot Games" and "The Sum of All Fears".  I think he was just another writer who peaked at the beginning and got formulaic and boring to people looking for originality after that.  I had put him in the same category as the rest of the airport writers, you knew what you would get and it was like fast food - safe and predictable, you might not get something amazing but at least you knew it would be edible.
 
2014-03-29 10:45:55 PM  

Karac: NewportBarGuy: Gyrfalcon: The newer generation also plays a lot of Splinter Cell, where one superagent endowed with "Fifth Freedom" and unstoppable firepower wins all the shadow wars because USA and crying eagles.

Well, everyone now gets Oakley sunglasses as field issue. I think that means we're pretty much the baddest mothers on the planet.

Look what happened when we gave everyone a  black beret. See... World domination!

Next generation rifle? Pshaw... Who needs that sh*t? Gucci Gear is what wins in the shadows.

That's a bit of a pet peeve of mine as well, but you have to admit that rifle technology has not advanced all that far since the M-16 was introduced in Vietnam.  Caseless ammunition mostly hasn't advanced beyond prototype.  Basically, the only advance has been bullpup designs.  And even then, old doesn't necessarily mean out-of-date - soldiers will be happily using M2 Brownings into the next century.

The one that really gets to me is the USMC's AH-1 Supercobras.  The basic design dates for that thing dates back to the Bell Huey, to 1956.  The Army has since moved to Apaches and tried to move to Comanches and the Navy is moving to a new class of aircraft carriers, but Marine pilots are still tooling around in helicopters not vastly different than the same ones their grandfathers did.  They've been through some many upgrades and feature creeps that they've run out of new letters to use and are at AH-1Z Vipers.


Well, until they invent the energy-beam type weapons, what else can be done with rifled weapons? They've really not improved since the rifled barrel and automatic fire was invented. They can fire a bit faster, but there's a limit on how fast the chamber can accept more bullets, and how many rounds the barrel can take before overheating; as far as ammo, it has to fit within a rifled barrel and the receiver/chamber design. The whole thing has to be light enough to carry easily, so it has to weigh under 10 lbs and can't kick too hard...they can make the things a little lighter and the propellant a little more powerful, but there's just not much more they can do until energy weapons become feasible.
 
2014-03-29 10:52:13 PM  

interstellar_tedium: I bought a few Tom Clancy books after picking up "The Hunt for Red October" in the airport, so then on the next few work trips I picked up "Red Storm Rising", "Patriot Games" and "The Sum of All Fears".  I think he was just another writer who peaked at the beginning and got formulaic and boring to people looking for originality after that.  I had put him in the same category as the rest of the airport writers, you knew what you would get and it was like fast food - safe and predictable, you might not get something amazing but at least you knew it would be edible.


It's the Michael Crichton syndrome.
 
2014-03-29 11:33:31 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Dr. Speed: red5ish: In any investigation there has to be someone who says "That's enough - we're done". In this investigation that person would be Daryll Issa or his successor, who has been given the task to draw out the investigation right through the next presidential primaries. The GOP intends to use Benghazi against HRC if and when she runs so you can quit asking how long this is going to continue - I just told you. Sure it's lame and expensive but it's their plan so get used to it.

Why can't Hilldog just say that Congress cut security funding?

Remember when Obama produced his birth certificate and the Birthers all went away?

Me either.


How about every answer to every question during the hearing starts with "After Rep. Issa voted to cut security funding"?
 
2014-03-29 11:57:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Well, until they invent the energy-beam type weapons, what else can be done with rifled weapons? They've really not improved since the rifled barrel and automatic fire was invented. They can fire a bit faster, but there's a limit on how fast the chamber can accept more bullets, and how many rounds the barrel can take before overheating; as far as ammo, it has to fit within a rifled barrel and the receiver/chamber design. The whole thing has to be light enough to carry easily, so it has to weigh under 10 lbs and can't kick too hard...they can make the things a little lighter and the propellant a little more powerful, but there's just not much more they can do until energy weapons become feasible.


The really amazing / neat things are what they're coming up with for large cal and heavy weapons.  The shiat they're making for the grenade launchers, for example, are neat as hell.
 
2014-03-30 12:02:52 AM  

scanman61: grumpfuff: namatad: Fart_Machine: zimbach: Lorelle: I will never forgive Asshat for making Ahnold governor of CA.

But if he hadn't engaged California's recall with simultaneous emergency election free-for-all and instead gone through the normal process, that Asshat might have become governor himself!

No. Nobody liked Issa save for his own safe district.

but that is true for virtually ALL representatives.
when surveys are done they ask awesome questions like:
do you think CONGRESS is doing a good job? EVERYONE says NO!! THEY SUCK!!!
do you think YOUR congress critter is doing a good job? EVERYONE says YES!!! MY GUY ISNT THE PROBLEM.

shudder
I hate stupid people so very much.

I'm kind of annoyed about this line of argument.

My representatives at various times have been Bill Pascrell and Rush Holt. As far as I can tell, neither have ever done anything scandalous or bad.

Sometimes people say their representative is a good one because their representative is actually good.

Ron Paul, Tom DeLay and Pete Olson.

Texas 22nd sucks.


My condolences.
 
2014-03-30 12:02:53 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: All of this is such a waste of time.  There was a guy who made a video and he is now in jail.  This case was closed in a day.  God people are dumb.


you sound concerned.
 
2014-03-30 12:04:52 AM  

vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]


I hope you're not trying to pass a photoshop as actual evidence.
 
2014-03-30 12:09:56 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: All of this is such a waste of time.   There was a guy who made a video and he is now in jail.  This case was closed in a day.  God people are dumb.


Fixed that for you, but hey I got this for you anyway.


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Remember if you had Fun, you WON!
 
2014-03-30 12:42:33 AM  

zimbach: Lorelle: zimbach: Lorelle: I will never forgive Asshat for making Ahnold governor of CA.

But if he hadn't engaged California's recall with simultaneous emergency election free-for-all and instead gone through the normal process, that Asshat might have become governor himself!

That was his goal; he grudgingly gave his support to Ahnold when it became apparent that no one wanted Asshat to be in charge of this state.

Exactly. Had he waited for Gray Davis to term out, he might have had a chance in the next election, his being a total douchenozzle notwithstanding. He got greedy instead, and didn't think his clever plan all the way through.

I expect he'll put in a bid to run for president, maybe even place in the top 5 in a few early primaries, but fail for trying to associate himself with "being like Reagan" when the only relation is being from California.


He had no chance to win an election no matter when it would have happened. He is not well liked outside his district.
 
2014-03-30 12:49:39 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Gyrfalcon: Well, until they invent the energy-beam type weapons, what else can be done with rifled weapons? They've really not improved since the rifled barrel and automatic fire was invented. They can fire a bit faster, but there's a limit on how fast the chamber can accept more bullets, and how many rounds the barrel can take before overheating; as far as ammo, it has to fit within a rifled barrel and the receiver/chamber design. The whole thing has to be light enough to carry easily, so it has to weigh under 10 lbs and can't kick too hard...they can make the things a little lighter and the propellant a little more powerful, but there's just not much more they can do until energy weapons become feasible.

The really amazing / neat things are what they're coming up with for large cal and heavy weapons.  The shiat they're making for the grenade launchers, for example, are neat as hell.


I like the rapid-fire shotguns, myself.
 
2014-03-30 01:37:51 AM  
At this point, Issa's bedroom is covered in blood, feathers, dried semen, and shame.
 
2014-03-30 01:48:16 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: is dumb.

 
2014-03-30 05:12:28 AM  

vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]


That needs to go on http://boeinghazi.com/
 
2014-03-30 05:12:33 AM  

LiberalWeenie: There was also the poll in 2004 that quizzed Bush and Kerry voters on the views of the candidates they support. Most of the Bush voters actually were dead wrong on most of his views. Obvious stuff, like they thought he supported the Kyoto treaty and stem cell research.

I can't find the poll now, but it was frequently cited here in the politics tab way back when.


can we vote by issues?
1) you don't know the name, gender, party of who you are voting for
2) there are a bunch of ISSUES, say the top 20 from 5 broad categories
3) your vote is selected from the best candidate to match the issues that find important

I require that abortion would be legal in the US. All GOP candidates are excluded.
TADA
next set of issues

imagine how pissed people would be that they all voted for al sharpton ...
:D
 
2014-03-30 07:03:40 AM  
Legend has it, if you stand in front of a mirror in a dark room on Halloween and chant, "Benghazi" three times, Darrell Issa will appear!
 
2014-03-30 07:08:07 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Legend has it, if you stand in front of a mirror in a dark room on Halloween and chant, "Benghazi" three times, Darrell Issa will appear!


And then we can sock him in the jaw?
 
2014-03-30 09:00:14 AM  

cc_rider: vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]

That needs to go on http://boeinghazi.com/


img.fark.net

"Stealth Patriot"... *snicker*
 
2014-03-30 09:47:29 AM  

grumpfuff: vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]

I hope you're not trying to pass a photoshop as actual evidence.


The thing I like best about it is how the red squiggles are still in there. I decided not to fix that when I made it.
 
2014-03-30 09:48:05 AM  

cc_rider: vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]

That needs to go on http://boeinghazi.com/


Do they accept submissions?
 
2014-03-30 11:28:31 AM  

cc_rider: vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]

That needs to go on http://boeinghazi.com/


That's gotta be a troll to keep the mouthbreathers from doing anything that could actually be effective, right?  I mean, a flag-colored crying eagle gif?  "Study it Out" in big letters on the top?"  Talk about bringing "The Usurper" to international court?  WTF?

What the writing team may look like:
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-30 11:48:09 AM  

vygramul: grumpfuff: vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]

I hope you're not trying to pass a photoshop as actual evidence.

The thing I like best about it is how the red squiggles are still in there. I decided not to fix that when I made it.


Ha. I didn't even notice that.
 
2014-03-30 05:02:57 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Empty Matchbook: Dr. Speed: red5ish: In any investigation there has to be someone who says "That's enough - we're done". In this investigation that person would be Daryll Issa or his successor, who has been given the task to draw out the investigation right through the next presidential primaries. The GOP intends to use Benghazi against HRC if and when she runs so you can quit asking how long this is going to continue - I just told you. Sure it's lame and expensive but it's their plan so get used to it.

Why can't Hilldog just say that Congress cut security funding?

Remember when Obama produced his birth certificate and the Birthers all went away?

Me either.

How about every answer to every question during the hearing starts with "After Rep. Issa voted to cut security funding"?


Wouldn't matter. A substantial chunk of voters get their news from one media source, if at all. That source is most likely to be mainstream and the mainstream media is mostly influenced by Conservative money and therefore Conservative ideals.

These are people who demand citations in triplicate for things they disagree with, then spout opinions and falsehoods as though they're facts and accuse anyone who disagrees with them as being "part of the problem."
 
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