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2014-03-29 06:18:01 AM  
That is a stupid way to handle the issue.  It shouldnt matter if the biggest mouth pieces and the biggest polluters publicly deny AGW.  That is not the way to police the issue.  The proper way to handle it is through the EPA.  You go after the biggest polluters -for polluting.
 
2014-03-29 06:38:55 AM  
That's an enlightened way to operate

Actually, no, its not.

We used to arrest people for saying things against the word of god. The word of god was absolute and could not be challenged. Those days are long gone. We evolved beyond that bullshiat. Lets not devolve.
 
2014-03-29 07:12:22 AM  
This is stupid, even for Gawker.

We should point and laugh. That's what climate deniers deserve.
 
2014-03-29 07:14:55 AM  
This seems like a bad idea...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 07:51:48 AM  
Adam Weinstein should have his hands cut off for abusing the internet. There is precedent. In some countries you can have your hands cut off for stealing. Why not for typing?
 
2014-03-29 08:52:52 AM  
FTFA: There is a clear precedent, Torcello says, in L'Aquila, Italy, where six seismologists were convicted of manslaughter in connection with a 2009 earthquake that killed 309 people.

When you use that as a precedent, you've gone off the deep end.
 
2014-03-29 08:58:09 AM  
This guy's premise is farked from the start. To propose a law like that you'd have to think everyone is being fooled by climate change deniers and that is why we are not acting as better stewards of the environment. The real reason is people like the status quo, people like driving places in their cars and flying places in planes, people like having food from around the world at a podunk grocery store, people like heated swimming pools and jacuzzis and any other luxury you can name. Then on the other side of all those consumers the people really farking like making shiat tons of money providing all that and the energy to run it.
 
2014-03-29 09:33:05 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

Yeah, that'll happen.
 
2014-03-29 09:42:34 AM  
Welcome the New and Improved AGW Taliban!
 
2014-03-29 10:20:21 AM  

Headso: This guy's premise is farked from the start. To propose a law like that you'd have to think everyone is being fooled by climate change deniers and that is why we are not acting as better stewards of the environment. The real reason is people like the status quo, people like driving places in their cars and flying places in planes, people like having food from around the world at a podunk grocery store, people like heated swimming pools and jacuzzis and any other luxury you can name. Then on the other side of all those consumers the people really farking like making shiat tons of money providing all that and the energy to run it.


Sadly, I think about the only hope we have at this point is finding someone who can outspend the Koch Brothers to get the truth out there.  They, and other big money men like them, basically keep climate change denialism propped up.
 
2014-03-29 10:25:46 AM  

Frederick [TotalFark]


That is a stupid way to handle the issue. It shouldnt matter if the biggest mouth pieces and the biggest polluters publicly deny AGW.

Yet a group taking billions in grants and making bullshiat predictions. is to be trusted w/o question.
 
2014-03-29 10:47:34 AM  
The IPCC said that ethanol biofuel was settled science. Arrest the IPCC for saying that ethanol is a bad idea.
 
2014-03-29 10:51:18 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 11:10:45 AM  
We should certainly make sure that they are held financially responsible for the damage they do.
 
2014-03-29 11:26:07 AM  

vpb: We should certainly make sure that they are held financially responsible for the damage they do.


They're fighting tooth and nail to socialize the costs.
 
2014-03-29 11:38:38 AM  
No science is settled.
 
2014-03-29 11:42:27 AM  

fireclown: No science is settled.


Thank you.
 
2014-03-29 11:42:40 AM  
A sophomoric rant on Gawker? Unpossible!

/And I agree 100 percent with his assessment of climate change deniers. But no, idiot, you can't arrest them.
 
2014-03-29 11:44:02 AM  
So far I like climate change. It works for me. It exists and it is awesome.
 
2014-03-29 11:44:26 AM  

jake_lex: Sadly, I think about the only hope we have at this point is finding someone who can outspend the Koch Brothers to get the truth out there.  They, and other big money men like them, basically keep climate change denialism propped up.


The truth is out there. So is a bunch of alarmist BS about how we're all going to die. Nobody cares.

/doesn't care
 
2014-03-29 11:44:31 AM  
Antivaxxers are criminals, too.
 
2014-03-29 11:46:35 AM  

fireclown: No science is settled.


yes, the Bible said that God wouldn't flood the world again, but then the homosexuals took over the rainbow he used to do it so now he wants to abolish the EPA so he can go back on the promise he made,  It's true since i read it in an e-mail.
 
2014-03-29 11:47:38 AM  
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2014-03-29 11:47:45 AM  
Wow....  Just wow.  I refuse to invoke Godwin's Law, but this is probably one of the few reasonable uses for it.
 
2014-03-29 11:49:27 AM  

enry: This is stupid, even for Gawker.

We should point and laugh. That's what climate deniers deserve.


QFT
 
2014-03-29 11:50:25 AM  
Those people are criminally negligent.

For those people who profit from denying the science, this is an accurate charge.
 
2014-03-29 11:50:51 AM  

vygramul: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]


500X this.

This article is just all kinds of stupid.
 
2014-03-29 11:51:03 AM  
Don't even talk about it anymore!  IT'S SETTLED FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
 
2014-03-29 11:51:19 AM  
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CLIMASTROLOGY FTW!
 
2014-03-29 11:52:09 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: For those people who profit from denying the science, this is an accurate charge.


What do we do about the people who profit from hysteria?
 
2014-03-29 11:53:56 AM  
I was done here:

There is a clear precedent, Torcello says, in L'Aquila, Italy, where six seismologists were convicted of manslaughter in connection with a 2009 earthquake that killed 309 people. The scientists weren't convicted because they failed to predict an earthquake; no one can make such a prediction with reliable precision. But they were convened to study a series of tremors the week before the quake, and tacitly signed off on a government official's public message that "the situation looks favorable" and residents should chill out with some wine.

Their "inexact, incomplete and contradictory information," the court found, contributed to the residents' fatal lack of preparations for bigger tremors.


So what you're saying, shiatty blogger, is that they were not arrested for failing to make a correct prediction. They were arrested for making an incorrect prediction. There is a huge difference. Study it out.

Also, why are we worried about what a jackass with a philosophy degree is saying? We're talking about people who can ONLY get a job at a college. Is this guy some policy writer that I missed?
 
2014-03-29 11:54:27 AM  
I always thought that the one dentist who didn't recommend Dentyne should have been disciplined.
 
2014-03-29 11:55:37 AM  

Destructor: fireclown: No science is settled.

Thank you.


Not according to the typical Climate Change brigade on Fark - even the slightest "but what about.." is met with screams of Tea-Bagger, and Right-Wing Nut-Job.

I'm  truly surprised they're aren't more people agreeing with this idea in this thread.

/Being skeptical, and asking questions is the basis of all science
/Being skeptical does NOT mean denying (except on Fark).
 
2014-03-29 11:56:43 AM  

Destructor: What do we do about the people who profit from hysteria?


We should be hysterical about climate change. If there weren't corporations, organizations, and politicians spreading FUD about the science, we would be. Describing those entities as criminally negligent is accurate.
 
2014-03-29 11:57:10 AM  
Well if all it takes to establish facts in science is a consensus, then let's all get together and vote that gravity doesn't exist. That should settle it. I'd love to try weightlessness.
 
2014-03-29 11:58:34 AM  
Well, if all it takes to establish 'facts' in science is a consensus, then let's all get together and vote that gravity doesn't exist - that should settle it! I'd love to try weightlessness.
 
2014-03-29 11:58:43 AM  
hy·per·bo·le
[hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA
noun Rhetoric . 1.
obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.
an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as "to wait an eternity."
 
2014-03-29 11:58:57 AM  

fireclown: No science is settled.


Some scientific claims are, for all practical purposes, settled.  Sure, in regards to any particular claim, we may be in for some kind of Kuhnian paradigm shift regarding the way we chop up the world, but that doesn't mean our current approach is 'wrong.'  Newtonian physics was good enough to get us to the Moon.  Einstein's physics is good enough to help us run GPS systems.  And our current climate science is good enough for us to accept the claim "climate change is happening, it is largely caused by humans, and the effects will be dramatic."
 
2014-03-29 11:59:39 AM  
Can we still forcibly jail and summarily execute Anti-Vaxxers? Because they're a public health menace to us all.
 
2014-03-29 12:02:12 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: and the effects will be dramatic."


Shoot, dramatic has come and gone. If we keep doing what we're doing, and thanks to the professional entities doing their best to ensure we will, the results will be catastrophic.
 
2014-03-29 12:04:08 PM  
Is this John Hawkins secret identity?

Because the level of writing is about what I'd expect in an American Thinker article.
 
2014-03-29 12:04:27 PM  

shamanwest: I was done here:

There is a clear precedent, Torcello says, in L'Aquila, Italy, where six seismologists were convicted of manslaughter in connection with a 2009 earthquake that killed 309 people. The scientists weren't convicted because they failed to predict an earthquake; no one can make such a prediction with reliable precision. But they were convened to study a series of tremors the week before the quake, and tacitly signed off on a government official's public message that "the situation looks favorable" and residents should chill out with some wine.

Their "inexact, incomplete and contradictory information," the court found, contributed to the residents' fatal lack of preparations for bigger tremors.

So what you're saying, shiatty blogger, is that they were not arrested for failing to make a correct prediction. They were arrested for DELIBERATELY making an incorrect prediction FOR POLITICAL REASONS. There is a huge difference. Study it out.

Also, why are we worried about what a jackass with a philosophy degree is saying? We're talking about people who can ONLY get a job at a college. Is this guy some policy writer that I missed?


sounds familiar
 
2014-03-29 12:05:37 PM  
There are no existing laws that make it a thought crime to deny global warming, so the alarmists will have to pass new laws to get that done.  If the alarmists don't have the political horsepower to win the public debate on global warming itself, what makes them think they have the horsepower to criminalize opposing views?
 
2014-03-29 12:05:43 PM  

jake_lex: Sadly, I think about the only hope we have at this point is finding someone who can outspend the Koch Brothers to get the truth out there.


Another thing that might really help convince people about climate change is if the climate would, you know, actually change.

It's really hard to convince people that accelerating, worse-than-we-thought climate change is happening when it is, you know, not happening.
 
2014-03-29 12:07:09 PM  
There is a clear precedent, Torcello says, in L'Aquila, Italy, where six seismologists were convicted of manslaughter in connection with a 2009 earthquake that killed 309 people.

If you're going to use THAT as precedent, then I suggest we start arresting people that use that as precedent.

Earthquakes, unlike volcanoes, have no method to be remotely reliably forecast.
 
2014-03-29 12:07:50 PM  

germ78: Can we still forcibly jail and summarily execute Anti-Vaxxers? Because they're a public health menace to us all.


Just call them biological terrorists.  The T-word gets people riled up for your cause.
 
2014-03-29 12:13:16 PM  
It doesn't matter much anyway. The damage is done. There is more carbon in the atmosphere than at any time since the Pleistocene when sea levels were 75 feet higher. These effects will last thousands of years. The baby boomers and their fore-fathers have destroyed the planet and our future. Make some serious changes to your life, location etc. and prepare to spend the rest of your life at least somewhat differently than you spend it now. The deniers will have to move too. Unless perhaps they keep denying as the waters close over their heads, which would be satisfying to watch but ultimately solve or change nothing.
 
2014-03-29 12:13:28 PM  
I stopped reading at the phrase, "In some circles." No straw man for you, subby.
 
2014-03-29 12:14:03 PM  

snocone: Welcome the New and Improved AGW Taliban!


Yes. Funny how that works, innit?

Fascists under every rock and bush around here ....

"You WILL give your money to rich men in suits. Because I said so!"
 
2014-03-29 12:14:28 PM  
You're going to need about 10k officers and 100k buses.  Start here in Metro Atlanta and head to the Rio Grande.  Need to get started now so we can have things in place by the mid-term general elections.  Deport them to Somalia.
 
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