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(Daily Mail)   Get pulled out of your car at gunpoint by Alcoholic Beverage Control agents who thought you bought beer while underage when you were actually just buying sparkling water? You can bet that's a $40 million dollar lawsuit   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2014-03-29 05:08:32 AM  
At gunpoint. Lol.   "STEP AWAY FROM THE BEVERAGE"
 
2014-03-29 06:52:34 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-29 07:04:56 AM  
I hope she wins and they get fired. This is bullsh*t.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-29 07:54:03 AM  
If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.
 
2014-03-29 08:43:41 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.
 
2014-03-29 09:10:18 AM  
Again? Just how often does this happen?
 
2014-03-29 09:12:00 AM  
Good for her.
 
2014-03-29 09:19:41 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


She's the victim.
 
2014-03-29 09:22:09 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


It was the terrorization she was objecting to.
 
2014-03-29 09:22:55 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


Every suit has two elements: liability and damages. The liability portion of this suit certainly seems to have merit. If it gets that far, it will be up to the jury to assign a dollar figure. Just because the monetary claim is seemingly outrageous does not mean the entire suit is without merit. Not to mention, a judgment against the state is seldom worth more than the money it's printed on. You can't seize state assets to satisfy a judgment, so usually the legislature has to approve payments of civil judgments, so that can take years. If it ever even happens. If you ever find yourself suing the state, find a lawyer who has a lot of connections in the state legislature.
 
2014-03-29 09:24:51 AM  

doglover: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.


Yep, we need the damages to hurt. Badly. Any cop thinking he needs to draw his weapon for an alleged underaged drinking bust REALLY needs to become a financial burden for wherever he works.
 
2014-03-29 09:25:09 AM  

jaylectricity: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

She's the victim.


I do think that paying her more than a few $100,000 tops is way too much. I've been falsely arrested at the age of 18 myself. Get a hobby, girl. Work some of that stress off.

But we should utterly destroy the programs in place that allow two thugs to menace a teenager with handguns for having a beer. If anything, those assholes should have been arrested, not her. Take all their money, all their department's money, and all of their bureau's money and give it ALL to NASA. Every last dime should be going towards a Europa probe.
 
2014-03-29 09:32:34 AM  

R.A.Danny: doglover: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.

Yep, we need the damages to hurt. Badly. Any cop thinking he needs to draw his weapon for an alleged underaged drinking bust REALLY needs to become a financial burden for wherever he works.


Not even the cops themselves. Their whole organization. An Alcoholic Beverage Control agent should be some weedy farker in a suit and hard hat who comes to your factory, inspects the place, and gives you a yea or nay on renewing your license. They should be under the Health Department's umbrella. If they choose to have guns, it will be CCW and with no relation to their vocation nor would it be acceptable for them to use one at work.

Destroy the whole project. Take all the money and give it to a decent program. Also, I would like to see a law where cops who are not in uniform are not cops. "plain clothes officer" should mean "no authority person" You can still use undercover cops as witnesses and in prostitution stings, but there should be an explicit law that a cop in plain clothes is no cop at all.
 
2014-03-29 09:45:28 AM  
Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.
 
2014-03-29 09:46:59 AM  
Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...
 
2014-03-29 09:47:07 AM  
So the vic was drinking Bud Light?
 
2014-03-29 09:48:45 AM  
For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would think they would need a squad of undercover officers with weapons drawn for an underage alcohol purchasing sting.

Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?
 
2014-03-29 09:49:05 AM  
Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.
 
2014-03-29 09:49:30 AM  
From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat
 
2014-03-29 09:50:55 AM  
We're up to $80 million now? Do I hear $120 million?
 
2014-03-29 09:53:25 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

She's the victim.

I do think that paying her more than a few $100,000 tops is way too much. I've been falsely arrested at the age of 18 myself. Get a hobby, girl. Work some of that stress off.

But we should utterly destroy the programs in place that allow two thugs to menace a teenager with handguns for having a beer. If anything, those assholes should have been arrested, not her. Take all their money, all their department's money, and all of their bureau's money and give it ALL to NASA. Every last dime should be going towards a Europa probe.


ImOkWithThis.jpg

/and welcome to my favorites list
 
2014-03-29 09:55:05 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.
 
2014-03-29 09:55:13 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would think they would need a squad of undercover officers with weapons drawn for an underage alcohol purchasing sting.

Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?


This story has been covered a few times here on Fark.

My understanding is that the "police" didn't draw their weapons until she tried to flee in her vehicle with them in her way.

That said, the whole thing is farking stupid and they should have better things to do.
 
2014-03-29 09:55:16 AM  

Oldiron_79: So the vic was drinking Bud Light?


Bud Light does not "sparkle".
 
2014-03-29 09:55:20 AM  

doglover: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.


and you forgot to salt the earth.  Don't forget the salt, brah.
 
2014-03-29 09:55:40 AM  

labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?

 
2014-03-29 09:56:08 AM  

Epic Fap Session: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.


El Dudereno: Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...


Omegamerc: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.


HighlanderRPI: From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat


I guess clicking on "Notify admins about this link" and giving them the link to the original thread is far too much work for all of you?
 
2014-03-29 09:56:49 AM  
This seems to be happening more and more nowadays.
 
2014-03-29 09:56:59 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?


Sure, why not? In graduate school in an engineering building we had a professor accused (rightly) of misappropriating a few hundred thousand dollars. A legit crime worthy of a search warrant, no doubt. Instead, 2 fully armed and armored swat teams, followed by uniformed state police, stormed the building and held everyone they found there at 8am at gunpoint. We're talking about 21-25 year old engineering students and their professors who aren't even connected to this case. It was a big learning moment for me about how the police view the public.
 
2014-03-29 09:57:04 AM  

Man On A Mission: Epic Fap Session: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

El Dudereno: Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...

Omegamerc: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

HighlanderRPI: From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat

I guess clicking on "Notify admins about this link" and giving them the link to the original thread is far too much work for all of you?


Yes.
 
2014-03-29 09:57:30 AM  
I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.
 
2014-03-29 09:59:19 AM  
The point here is that even is it was beer, so what?  Why do police in america respond like this to crimes that don't have a victim?
 
2014-03-29 09:59:24 AM  
America has so many policing agencies they need a police force to police the police. Give them all the surplus military equipment the Army says it can't use and doesn't want and make them fight the police.

Then charge admission to the police fights. Sooo many problems solved there.
 
2014-03-29 10:03:19 AM  

JoieD'Zen: I hope she wins and they get fired. This is bullsh*t.


Sadly, this will be futile against the ABC's "Cuz we're cops!" defense and the judge will throw it out of court. Lady is just lucky they didn't shoot her in the face while they were at it. They get away with the stuff too.
 
2014-03-29 10:03:29 AM  

illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.


So you think it is totally appropriate for undercover alcohol cops to act as aggressively towards these girls in the manner in which they did?  You see nothing wrong with that behavior?
 
2014-03-29 10:04:16 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-29 10:04:23 AM  

illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.


2/10.  You'll probably hook a few.  You were OK until you said "obey the law".  It just makes you look like you didn't read the article.
 
2014-03-29 10:05:16 AM  

illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.


-50/10
 
2014-03-29 10:07:43 AM  
Drew should add a repeat tab to Fark.
 
2014-03-29 10:10:38 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Drew should add a repeat tab to Fark.


Or move the entire site to "last week on reddit" tab.
 
2014-03-29 10:11:21 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


that's silly.
the amount of recovery has nothing to do with the claim.  why would asking for a specific number automatically make your claim frivolous let alone an automatic loss?
 
SH
2014-03-29 10:11:51 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.



Whatta moron. I bet you voted for Romney.
 
2014-03-29 10:12:00 AM  
If a gun is pointed, death is threatened.
 
2014-03-29 10:12:01 AM  
Virginia ABC Police are the worst of the worst. I know there are a lot of people who think cops in general are nothing more than power-hungry jocks who want to push the little people around anyway they can, but the majority of regular five-oh are pretty decent guys in my experience. The ABC Cops in VA, however, are the lowest of the low. Nothing more than guys who couldn't make it in real policing who have nothing better to do than enforce outdated and antiquated laws for the sake of keeping VA's liquor monopoly going to churn out dollars for the state. They're the goddamned brown-shirts of the law enforcement world.
 
2014-03-29 10:12:44 AM  

JoieD'Zen: I hope she wins and they get fired. This is bullsh*t.


One of the agents involved actually has sued the Va ABC system for not promoting him, and for transferring him to another sector of Virginia.

No kiddin'.
 
2014-03-29 10:13:11 AM  

dukeblue219: It was a big learning moment for me about how the police view the public.


Two kinds of people, Boots and Bugs.
 
2014-03-29 10:14:26 AM  
She's not that cute, but, with $40M, RAWR!!  And that vibrating right hand, well, that could could be useful when we're watching TV. "Yeah, sweetheart, stick it in my shorts and keep it warm, that might help  Oh yeah, now doesn't that feel better.  Oh, right there, that's the warmest spot.""
 
2014-03-29 10:14:37 AM  

illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.


so weak.
 
2014-03-29 10:14:40 AM  
So VA has a whole division dedicated to casing stores in case some under age kid buys a beer?  Wow!  What's more, they can't even stop a 20 year old female college student from fleeing the scene.  I would hate to be them if they ran into a street wise 19 year old.
 
2014-03-29 10:14:42 AM  

labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?


Twice a week, I guess.

REPEAT.

/who put this sand in my vagina?
 
2014-03-29 10:15:08 AM  

doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.

Yep, we need the damages to hurt. Badly. Any cop thinking he needs to draw his weapon for an alleged underaged drinking bust REALLY needs to become a financial burden for wherever he works.

Not even the cops themselves. Their whole organization. An Alcoholic Beverage Control agent should be some weedy farker in a suit and hard hat who comes to your factory, inspects the place, and gives you a yea or nay on renewing your license. They should be under the Health Department's umbrella. If they choose to have guns, it will be CCW and with no relation to their vocation nor would it be acceptable for them to use one at work.

Destroy the whole project. Take all the money and give it to a decent program. Also, I would like to see a law where cops who are not in uniform are not cops. "plain clothes officer" should mean "no authority person" You can still use undercover cops as witnesses and in prostitution stings, but there should be an explicit law that a cop in plain clothes is no cop at all.


That's.... a really good idea, actually. The Uniform is the authority, not the person. If you're not in uniform, you're a civillian. With no powers.
 
2014-03-29 10:15:09 AM  

Lekneh: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.


She needs to get it expunged. Any lawyer should be able to do it for about $800, and it takes 3-4 months.
 
2014-03-29 10:16:57 AM  
Two things.  First, alcohol control officers, whatever their state, never get the experience of dealing with major crimes that other law enforcement does, so they tend to treat their petty offenders who they just caught buying beer underage, as if they were members of some major drug cartel.  While I believe they do important work in regulating a restrictive substance, I have never been impressed with how they perform their job, in any state.  That said, I notice the ones that started showing up during spring break, to enforce underage drinking laws a few years ago, have started calming down, and treating the kids in much the same firm but reasonable manner that the regular cops do, so it may just be a lack of field experience for most of their officers.

Second, unless someone actually shot the poor girl, her damages are no where near 40 million.  While she deserves something, whoever decided on that figure for her is an idiot.  The best she can really hope for is a few thousand dollars in a settlement, just to go away.
 
2014-03-29 10:17:39 AM  

dukeblue219: Satanic_Hamster: Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?

Sure, why not? In graduate school in an engineering building we had a professor accused (rightly) of misappropriating a few hundred thousand dollars. A legit crime worthy of a search warrant, no doubt. Instead, 2 fully armed and armored swat teams, followed by uniformed state police, stormed the building and held everyone they found there at 8am at gunpoint. We're talking about 21-25 year old engineering students and their professors who aren't even connected to this case. It was a big learning moment for me about how the police view the public.


gotta justify spending all that terrorism money somehow.
 
2014-03-29 10:18:05 AM  

Man On A Mission: Epic Fap Session: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

El Dudereno: Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...

Omegamerc: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

HighlanderRPI: From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat

I guess clicking on "Notify admins about this link" and giving them the link to the original thread is far too much work for all of you?


Or they are using the mobile version of the site on their phone that doesn't have that link at the bottom. (Like I am)
 
2014-03-29 10:19:26 AM  

labman: Or they are using the mobile version of the site on their phone that doesn't have that link at the bottom. (Like I am)


Or no one can actually find the "original" thread.
 
2014-03-29 10:19:28 AM  
Half of what this should be.
 
2014-03-29 10:19:44 AM  
Gee, if I didn't have a wicked sense of humor, I could have done this to the cop that pulled me for suspected drinking and driving when all I was drinking was an IBC root beer!

The look on his face when he realized... I asked him if he was gonna rewind the dash-cam footage and tape over it so no one would see that.
 
2014-03-29 10:20:59 AM  
First, if two random dudes started pulling guns and banging on windows (for water), they'll have a hard time convincing me that they are (in fact) police.

Also, I think it might even be a shining-ray-of-light miracle that not one aimed weapon was fired. The riots would never stop.
 
2014-03-29 10:21:16 AM  
If a non-uniformed man pulled a gun on me as I was leaving a store, you bet your ass I would speed off, and run them over, if necessary. Let's not pretend people don't get carjacked every single day.

I hope the victim gets such a huge settlement that the state will re-think the entire stupid program.
 
2014-03-29 10:22:49 AM  
It appears that America has Leukemia, coupled with an autoimmune disease. Tons and Tons of immature white blood cells (police) creating an autoimmune response (attacking and wrecking peoples lives without cause, hyper militarization) while still allowing diseases and infections to take root dangerously (real crimes, violent gangs, and intense theft and corporate corruption are still running rampant).

The good news is, both of these are treatable, with a bone marrow transplant (New order of police and methods of vetting and training them) and immunosuppressant drugs (reduce the militarization and size of police forces).

It's time to go see a doctor, America. This is fatal if left untreated.
 
2014-03-29 10:24:32 AM  
Here's a thought if a cop acts outside of the bounds of policy, which I believe was acknowledged here, then they lose all protections against personal liability.  Also criminal complaints against police need to be investigated either by a separate agency, or at the very least a different police department which has absolutely no connections to the one being investigated.  Also mandatory point of view cameras for officers, and gun cams that turn on when the gun clears the holster.  Police should never draw have to draw a gun unless there is clear indication of danger; that's part of why we keep having innocent people getting shot by the police.

/On a unrelated note fark the drinking age.
 
2014-03-29 10:24:41 AM  

Man On A Mission: Epic Fap Session: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

El Dudereno: Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...

Omegamerc: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

HighlanderRPI: From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat

I guess clicking on "Notify admins about this link" and giving them the link to the original thread is far too much work for all of you?


"biatch and moan" or "make an effort and take an action that actually can produce results".  Which do you think?
 
2014-03-29 10:25:16 AM  
The cops were ready to use lethal force over a farking bottle of water. Let her sue for whatever amount she wants.
Doesn't mean she'll get 40 million, but the settlement needs to hurt.
 
2014-03-29 10:26:51 AM  

sandbar67: Lekneh: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.

She needs to get it expunged. Any lawyer should be able to do it for about $800, and it takes 3-4 months.


That often doesn't help. Expungement only takes it off the official record. Private companies that do background checks often siphon data out of the public systems and store it. So even after it's been expunged, it'll continue to show up on the reports a lot of employers pay for.
 
2014-03-29 10:28:02 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


If I were on this jury, I'd give the victim $500, tops. This lawsuit bullshiat has got to stop. We're becoming a nation of professional victims.
 
2014-03-29 10:28:15 AM  
I think the idea of legal adults not being able to buy alcohol is absurd, but that's my opinion and other people think it makes sense. As such, if you want to have laws in place to write citations for underage possession of alcohol, fine. I think it's silly, but whatever... Treat it like a speeding ticket. The idea that it would EVER be ok to draw a firearm on someone for underage possession of alcohol is absolutely indefensible. As she fled to her car, the agent should of drawn a pencil from his shirt pocket and wrote down the license plate... And called it in, which would of given him/her the address and name of the vehicle owner. Then should of walked into the store to question the clerk that just (allegedly) sold alcohol to someone underage. At which point it would of been clear that it was water that was purchased... No weapons, no injuries, no lawsuit, no BS.
 
2014-03-29 10:29:25 AM  
It's interesting that in this case the department leaders aren't playing the traditional "We believe our officers actions were appropriate" card.  They've already admitted that proper procedures weren't followed and have labeled the whole incident as "unfortunate".  Add to this the Attorney General's spokesman who's comment was that they're there to defend the state's interests (rather than to defend the department's actions).

To me, as a layperson, that suggests that the state has prepared itself to part with some money.
 
2014-03-29 10:31:10 AM  

Richard_The_Clown: Gee, if I didn't have a wicked sense of humor, I could have done this to the cop that pulled me for suspected drinking and driving when all I was drinking was an IBC root beer!


Funny, when I was in high school my friend Jim bought a 6 pack of IBC and we sat on his trunk drinking it and shooting the bull.  County sheriff walks up all serious and says "What are you boys drinking?"

Jim says "Beer.  Beer of the root.  Want one?"  Sheriff says someone drove by and called us in.  He had to get on the radio and say it was root beer and I heard the dispatcher laugh.
 
2014-03-29 10:31:56 AM  
There are too many idiots with guns in America. More worrying is many of those idiots seem to be "law enforcement."
 
2014-03-29 10:32:05 AM  

SH: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


Whatta moron. I bet you voted for Romney.


We need to stop with this professional victim shiat. Lawsuit caps all around. If I were on her jury, I'd give her a few hundred dollars.


I know someone who wrongly sat on jail for two weeks because he shared a name with a criminal with a warrant.. He only got $40,000. What was he thinking? He should have sued for a trillion dollars!

/liberal who does not buy into bullshiat
 
2014-03-29 10:33:58 AM  

TV's Vinnie: illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.

-50/10


Agreed.  The below is obligatory in this case.

lol.i.trollyou.com
www.axiomaticeconomics.com
www.godlikeproductions.com
 
2014-03-29 10:34:41 AM  
$40 million is not an absurd amount for this kind of Gestapo bullshiat.  The individual cops are completely insulated from the consequences of their actions.  They are incapable of policing themselves due to decades of tilted legal precedent and the influence of their unions.  The community, the voters need to police them.  They need to feel it in their pocketbooks, because right now the cops have no incentive to clean up their act.  The cops and their sycophants blame a system that allows $40 million lawsuits.  The rubes agree with them, rather than blame a system that allows cops to act like that in the first place, and get away with it.
 
2014-03-29 10:35:20 AM  

Man On A Mission: labman: Or they are using the mobile version of the site on their phone that doesn't have that link at the bottom. (Like I am)

Or no one can actually find the "original" thread.


the-rock.jpg
 
2014-03-29 10:35:47 AM  

Man On A Mission: Epic Fap Session: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

El Dudereno: Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...

Omegamerc: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

HighlanderRPI: From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat

I guess clicking on "Notify admins about this link" and giving them the link to the original thread is far too much work for all of you?


The admins are all wasted. You better believe that's a repeat.
 
2014-03-29 10:37:19 AM  

K3rmy: TV's Vinnie: illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.

-50/10

Agreed.  The below is obligatory in this case.

[lol.i.trollyou.com image 755x1255]
[www.axiomaticeconomics.com image 456x471]
[www.godlikeproductions.com image 368x326]


I know this is Fark and all but its pretty shiatty to make fun of mentally handicapped children.
 
2014-03-29 10:37:31 AM  

RockofAges: Cerebral Ballsy: SH: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


Whatta moron. I bet you voted for Romney.

We need to stop with this professional victim shiat. Lawsuit caps all around. If I were on her jury, I'd give her a few hundred dollars.


I know someone who wrongly sat on jail for two weeks because he shared a name with a criminal with a warrant.. He only got $40,000. What was he thinking? He should have sued for a trillion dollars!

/liberal who does not buy into bullshiat

You're actually an overweening, try-too-hard "wannabe" liberal. Sorry my man. Take it from a very politically involved social democrat -- you're pushing authoritarianism here.

These are state officers, who literally abused a private citizen, threatening lethal force. Again, not the same as "I spilled hot coffee on myself".

Sure, 40 mill is a bit hilarious. But I think 20-30k is the minimum this warrants. Pay for the kids college for their fark-up.


I didn't read to where she got arrested. I made it to "they 'tried' to break her car window" and stopped there.

I take it back. $1000 for every night she spent in jail.
 
2014-03-29 10:39:12 AM  

labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?


It's the same article - complete with the same thread, full of GEDs in law who never heard of punitive damages.
Pete doesn't seem to have taught Repeat anything in the last few days.
 
2014-03-29 10:40:04 AM  

micoga45: I think the idea of legal adults not being able to buy alcohol is absurd, but that's my opinion and other people think it makes sense. As such, if you want to have laws in place to write citations for underage possession of alcohol, fine. I think it's silly, but whatever... Treat it like a speeding ticket. The idea that it would EVER be ok to draw a firearm on someone for underage possession of alcohol is absolutely indefensible. As she fled to her car, the agent should of drawn a pencil from his shirt pocket and wrote down the license plate... And called it in, which would of given him/her the address and name of the vehicle owner. Then should of walked into the store to question the clerk that just (allegedly) sold alcohol to someone underage. At which point it would of been clear that it was water that was purchased... No weapons, no injuries, no lawsuit, no BS.


Back when I was underage (in the late 80's/early 90's) that's pretty much how it was handled if you got caught with beer. More times than not, they'd make you dump it all out on the ground and call it a day. If you were being a jackass, you'd get cited for minor in possession on the same uniform citation and complaint that you'd get if you were caught speeding. $49.75 was the total after court costs, IIRC.

Then MADD got involved for the children, and we have shiat like this.
 
2014-03-29 10:41:11 AM  

LandOfChocolate: K3rmy: TV's Vinnie: illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.

-50/10

Agreed.  The below is obligatory in this case.

[lol.i.trollyou.com image 755x1255]
[www.axiomaticeconomics.com image 456x471]
[www.godlikeproductions.com image 368x326]

I know this is Fark and all but its pretty shiatty to make fun of mentally handicapped children.


Agreed.
 
2014-03-29 10:42:53 AM  
Alcoholic Beverage Control agents?  I think I've found your problem right there.
 
2014-03-29 10:44:10 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

If I were on this jury, I'd give the victim $500, tops. This lawsuit bullshiat has got to stop. We're becoming a nation of professional victims.


It's not about her getting the money, it's about the perpetrators paying the money.
 
2014-03-29 10:44:14 AM  

Vertdang: If you're not in uniform, you're a civillian.


In the immortal words of Commander Sam Vimes in the most perfect possible copper moment: "I AM A CIVILIAN!"

Police ARE civilians. But you're right, the uniform is the authority.
 
2014-03-29 10:44:20 AM  
Even if she had been underage and buying a six pack of beer, in WHAT world is pulling a gun on someone over that appropriate?  Buying a six pack of beer is not endangering anyone's life.

Law enforcement really needs to start giving intelligence tests before hiring.
 
2014-03-29 10:45:06 AM  
Why does Fark not have a Virginia tag?
 
2014-03-29 10:46:29 AM  
yeah those agents were improperly trained. they should know not to pick on pretty middle class white girls who can afford lawyers and find sympathy with a jury.
 
2014-03-29 10:46:36 AM  

jso2897: labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?

It's the same article - complete with the same thread, full of GEDs in law who never heard of punitive damages.
Pete doesn't seem to have taught Repeat anything in the last few days.


This is the Daily Fail. She probably saw a cop cruiser in her rearview mirror and nothing else happened.
 
2014-03-29 10:47:21 AM  

edmo: There are too many idiots with guns in America. More worrying is many of those idiots seem to be "law enforcement."


Exactly why we have protections for our innate right to self defense encoded in the legal documents, because idiots sometimes gain power.
 
2014-03-29 10:47:31 AM  

office_despot: Even if she had been underage and buying a six pack of beer, in WHAT world is pulling a gun on someone over that appropriate?  Buying a six pack of beer is not endangering anyone's life.

Law enforcement really needs to start giving intelligence tests before hiring.


they actually cull them if they're too smart. they don't want any independent critical thinkers in the ranks.
 
2014-03-29 10:48:32 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: jso2897: labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?

It's the same article - complete with the same thread, full of GEDs in law who never heard of punitive damages.
Pete doesn't seem to have taught Repeat anything in the last few days.

This is the Daily Fail. She probably saw a cop cruiser in her rearview mirror and nothing else happened.


You are quite the troll
 
2014-03-29 10:49:24 AM  

R.A.Danny: Cerebral Ballsy: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

If I were on this jury, I'd give the victim $500, tops. This lawsuit bullshiat has got to stop. We're becoming a nation of professional victims.

It's not about her getting the money, it's about the perpetrators paying the money.


The peeps don't pay any money, are you people high? The taxpayers pay this money.

Jesus. Do you guys think there's a magical fountain of money at the police station?

I agree it shouldn't have happened but her tears aren't worth 40 million. She's fine.
 
2014-03-29 10:49:45 AM  

cc_rider: If a non-uniformed man pulled a gun on me as I was leaving a store, you bet your ass I would speed off, and run them over, if necessary. Let's not pretend people don't get carjacked every single day.

I hope the victim gets such a huge settlement that the state will re-think the entire stupid program.


ITG aside, I would absolutely take off, dial 911 and would not stop my car until I saw a marked cruiser with a uniformed officer inside.

CSB:

Many moons ago when I still lived in SoCal, I was lit up by an unmarked cop driving a car that I have never seen a cop in.  This was right after a string of criminals had been "pulling people over" in unmarked cars.  I did not pull over immediately and the person who was attempting to pull me over was getting visibly upset at me...so I called 911, told them I was being pulled over and told the operator that I was not stopping until I had confirmation that the vehicle behind me was indeed a cop.  I told them that I was very uncomfortable in pulling over to an unmarked vehicle with a non-uniformed officer inside.  I ended up getting off the freeway where a marked car and uniformed officer met us.

The undercover was pissed beyond all belief that I had the audacity to even question the validity of his actions...the two argued for a minute, then I was given a warning and congratulations on taking my safety so seriously from the uniformed officer and was free to go.
 
2014-03-29 10:50:16 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: R.A.Danny: Cerebral Ballsy: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

If I were on this jury, I'd give the victim $500, tops. This lawsuit bullshiat has got to stop. We're becoming a nation of professional victims.

It's not about her getting the money, it's about the perpetrators paying the money.

The peeps don't pay any money, are you people high? The taxpayers pay this money.

Jesus. Do you guys think there's a magical fountain of money at the police station?

I agree it shouldn't have happened but her tears aren't worth 40 million. She's fine.


Peeps=police

/autowhoreect
 
2014-03-29 10:50:28 AM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


When bad cops start being charged with the crimes they commit, I'll agree with you.

Until that day, massive lawsuits are the only ammunition innocent Americans have against oppressive, militarized, police forces who violate their rights.

 /Would love to be on that jury.
 
2014-03-29 10:53:37 AM  

doglover: Take all their money, all their department's money, and all of their bureau's money and give it ALL to NASA. Every last dime should be going towards a Europa probe.


How many farking times do we have to cover this! All these worlds are yours to explore, except Europa. Make no attempt at landing there. Now don't make me have to tell you again!
 
2014-03-29 10:54:00 AM  

redmid17: Cerebral Ballsy: jso2897: labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?

It's the same article - complete with the same thread, full of GEDs in law who never heard of punitive damages.
Pete doesn't seem to have taught Repeat anything in the last few days.

This is the Daily Fail. She probably saw a cop cruiser in her rearview mirror and nothing else happened.

You are quite the troll


No, I just know someone who's been to jail wrongly accused and won less than $50k in the lawsuit regardless of spending a couple of weeks in jail. Her lawsuit is frivolous. She didn't get shot. She didn't get beaten.

We have brown people getting their houses raided, shot and killed.. Where does this young lady stand in comparison? Might it look to you that she's getting extra attention for being white and pretty?
 
2014-03-29 10:55:02 AM  

RandomRandom: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

When bad cops start being charged with the crimes they commit, I'll agree with you.

Until that day, massive lawsuits are the only ammunition innocent Americans have against oppressive, militarized, police forces who violate their rights.

 /Would love to be on that jury.


That's actually a good idea. That'll make them think twice about using arrests as harassment, too.
 
2014-03-29 11:00:21 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: redmid17: Cerebral Ballsy: jso2897: labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?

It's the same article - complete with the same thread, full of GEDs in law who never heard of punitive damages.
Pete doesn't seem to have taught Repeat anything in the last few days.

This is the Daily Fail. She probably saw a cop cruiser in her rearview mirror and nothing else happened.

You are quite the troll

No, I just know someone who's been to jail wrongly accused and won less than $50k in the lawsuit regardless of spending a couple of weeks in jail. Her lawsuit is frivolous. She didn't get shot. She didn't get beaten.

We have brown people getting their houses raided, shot and killed.. Where does this young lady stand in comparison? Might it look to you that she's getting extra attention for being white and pretty?


Well those people deserve a lot of money, as does your friend. Doesn't diminish what this girl went through and that the state needs to be heavily punished for this. Also bear in mind you can name whatever you want in a suit. Prisoners often file lawsuits with no merit for tens of millions too.
The money for this kind of conduct comes from the
insurance company, not sure the taxpayers directly.

And no its not getting attention cause she's whit and pretty. If they were doing that, they wouldn't be breaking down her windows.
 
2014-03-29 11:01:16 AM  
It's the fake MSRP thing. If you put a fine item on display with a suggested retail of $499, but act now to get it for $240, it sounds like a bargain.

Also, the lawyer's in for at least a third. Aim big, settle outta court for a new yacht and college funds.
 
2014-03-29 11:01:36 AM  

meow said the dog: LandOfChocolate: K3rmy: TV's Vinnie: illegal.tender: I hope she loses. No one should be able to sue the police. It's stupid. What's next? Suing the police for speeding tickets?

Freaking trial lawyers. This is why things cost so much.

Here's an idea: obey the law. If there weren't so many underage drinkers this would not have to happen.

-50/10

Agreed.  The below is obligatory in this case.

[lol.i.trollyou.com image 755x1255]
[www.axiomaticeconomics.com image 456x471]
[www.godlikeproductions.com image 368x326]

I know this is Fark and all but its pretty shiatty to make fun of mentally handicapped children.

Agreed.


My apologies.  I did not mean to make fun of Illegal Tender.
 
2014-03-29 11:03:39 AM  

RockofAges: Cerebral Ballsy: R.A.Danny: Cerebral Ballsy: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

If I were on this jury, I'd give the victim $500, tops. This lawsuit bullshiat has got to stop. We're becoming a nation of professional victims.

It's not about her getting the money, it's about the perpetrators paying the money.

The peeps don't pay any money, are you people high? The taxpayers pay this money.

Jesus. Do you guys think there's a magical fountain of money at the police station?

I agree it shouldn't have happened but her tears aren't worth 40 million. She's fine.

Maybe the "new mustang cruisers" can wait a few years, and the old pistols don't need laser targeting sights. Yeah, I think the PD can go down a few belt loops if this is the "value for money" they are offering to "serve and protect" their citizenry, their only sole duty. Like I said, I'm suggesting $20,000 to $30,000. Maybe fire these two morons and give her half of their annual salaries? Win / win for the taxpayer.


they always ask for the moon. it's standard procedure. they will probably get 100k at most from it if they win at all.
 
2014-03-29 11:03:47 AM  
Wouldn't it be fun if we got rid of qualified immunity?
 
2014-03-29 11:04:33 AM  

redmid17: Cerebral Ballsy: jso2897: labman: Again? Just how often does this happen?

It's the same article - complete with the same thread, full of GEDs in law who never heard of punitive damages.
Pete doesn't seem to have taught Repeat anything in the last few days.

This is the Daily Fail. She probably saw a cop cruiser in her rearview mirror and nothing else happened.

You are quite the troll


Trolling is a art.
 
2014-03-29 11:08:56 AM  

dukeblue219: Satanic_Hamster: Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?

Sure, why not? In graduate school in an engineering building we had a professor accused (rightly) of misappropriating a few hundred thousand dollars. A legit crime worthy of a search warrant, no doubt. Instead, 2 fully armed and armored swat teams, followed by uniformed state police, stormed the building and held everyone they found there at 8am at gunpoint. We're talking about 21-25 year old engineering students and their professors who aren't even connected to this case. It was a big learning moment for me about how the police view the public.


It's not how they view the public that's the problem. It's how they view themselves. Heroic tough guy defenders of justice in a world gone badly wrong. In their minds because of who they are they need and deserve all that equipment.
 
2014-03-29 11:09:23 AM  

There's a reason we separate military and the police: one fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people




And fark 2001. I'll land on Europa all damn day, and only physics and biology can stop me.
 
2014-03-29 11:10:47 AM  

Oldiron_79: So the vic was drinking Bud Light?


I was running in the MC Marathon in 2007.  About 15 miles into the run, I hear a marine at a water stop up ahead calling out "Gatorade over here.... Bud Lite over there"

15 miles in, and I wasn't really thinking logically... I was just thinking "Hey! Even Bud Lite will taste good now!"

Of course, the "Bud Lite" line was water, but the jerk got my hopes up!

// Semper Fi, anonymous MC jokester
 
2014-03-29 11:11:28 AM  
Again?
 
2014-03-29 11:17:04 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: RockofAges: Cerebral Ballsy: SH: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


Whatta moron. I bet you voted for Romney.

We need to stop with this professional victim shiat. Lawsuit caps all around. If I were on her jury, I'd give her a few hundred dollars.


I know someone who wrongly sat on jail for two weeks because he shared a name with a criminal with a warrant.. He only got $40,000. What was he thinking? He should have sued for a trillion dollars!

/liberal who does not buy into bullshiat

You're actually an overweening, try-too-hard "wannabe" liberal. Sorry my man. Take it from a very politically involved social democrat -- you're pushing authoritarianism here.

These are state officers, who literally abused a private citizen, threatening lethal force. Again, not the same as "I spilled hot coffee on myself".

Sure, 40 mill is a bit hilarious. But I think 20-30k is the minimum this warrants. Pay for the kids college for their fark-up.

I didn't read to where she got arrested. I made it to "they 'tried' to break her car window" and stopped there.

I take it back. $1000 for every night she spent in jail.


Trying to break the window of someone's car because they're a 20 year old who you believe bought a beer is retarded. Is $40 million dollars a stupid amount of money? Yes but so is a couple grand for threatening lethal force and damaging someone's personal property when they bought a goddamn bottle of water whether you think it's a beer or not
 
2014-03-29 11:17:54 AM  
img.fark.net

black_knight: Why does Fark not have a Virginia tag?


Are you looking for suggestions?

/for these agents?
 
2014-03-29 11:18:13 AM  
I live walking distance from where it happened. So I drove down there (I'm a lazy fark) either that same night or the next and took these pics:

View of lot from front door of Harris Teeter:
www.bitlogic.com

View left:
www.bitlogic.com

View of Harris Teeter from a couple of spaces away:
www.bitlogic.com
As you can see, the lot is pretty well-lit.
 
2014-03-29 11:22:04 AM  

Dr J Zoidberg: Cerebral Ballsy: RockofAges: Cerebral Ballsy: SH: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


Whatta moron. I bet you voted for Romney.

We need to stop with this professional victim shiat. Lawsuit caps all around. If I were on her jury, I'd give her a few hundred dollars.


I know someone who wrongly sat on jail for two weeks because he shared a name with a criminal with a warrant.. He only got $40,000. What was he thinking? He should have sued for a trillion dollars!

/liberal who does not buy into bullshiat

You're actually an overweening, try-too-hard "wannabe" liberal. Sorry my man. Take it from a very politically involved social democrat -- you're pushing authoritarianism here.

These are state officers, who literally abused a private citizen, threatening lethal force. Again, not the same as "I spilled hot coffee on myself".

Sure, 40 mill is a bit hilarious. But I think 20-30k is the minimum this warrants. Pay for the kids college for their fark-up.

I didn't read to where she got arrested. I made it to "they 'tried' to break her car window" and stopped there.

I take it back. $1000 for every night she spent in jail.

Trying to break the window of someone's car because they're a 20 year old who you believe bought a beer is retarded. Is $40 million dollars a stupid amount of money? Yes but so is a couple grand for threatening lethal force and damaging someone's personal property when they bought a goddamn bottle of water whether you think it's a beer or not


A bunch of roided-up mall ninjas in plainclothes pointed guns at her and tried to break into her car because she bought a bottle of water.

Think about that for a minute.  $40 million is not all that absurd.  Certainly not as absurd as the allegations against the ABC agents....

Or, to put it another way, how much danger did those cops put the victim, themselves, and the general public at with their actions?
 
2014-03-29 11:35:10 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would think they would need a squad of undercover officers with weapons drawn for an underage alcohol purchasing sting.

Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?




WAR ON TERROR!
 
2014-03-29 11:35:52 AM  
Alcoholic Beverage Control agents

See, I think I see your problem right there.
 
2014-03-29 11:37:38 AM  
Go for it
Smash the State
Hammer government nimrod's ten ways from Sunday
Punish the agents, personally
 
2014-03-29 11:38:25 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Two things.  First, alcohol control officers, whatever their state, never get the experience of dealing with major crimes that other law enforcement does, so they tend to treat their petty offenders who they just caught buying beer underage, as if they were members of some major drug cartel.  While I believe they do important work in regulating a restrictive substance, I have never been impressed with how they perform their job, in any state.  That said, I notice the ones that started showing up during spring break, to enforce underage drinking laws a few years ago, have started calming down, and treating the kids in much the same firm but reasonable manner that the regular cops do, so it may just be a lack of field experience for most of their officers.

Second, unless someone actually shot the poor girl, her damages are no where near 40 million.  While she deserves something, whoever decided on that figure for her is an idiot.  The best she can really hope for is a few thousand dollars in a settlement, just to go away.


Shoving the kids in jail overnight after terrorizing them with guns for doing nothing and refusing to drop charges for month? Nah, no significant damages.

/maybe not 40m, but Fark isnt really in the best position to decide...I hope whatever number it is hurts somebody's budget
 
2014-03-29 11:40:38 AM  

Lekneh: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim. My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.


She will never be able to get a security clearance.
 
2014-03-29 11:45:39 AM  

elysive: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Two things.  First, alcohol control officers, whatever their state, never get the experience of dealing with major crimes that other law enforcement does, so they tend to treat their petty offenders who they just caught buying beer underage, as if they were members of some major drug cartel.  While I believe they do important work in regulating a restrictive substance, I have never been impressed with how they perform their job, in any state.  That said, I notice the ones that started showing up during spring break, to enforce underage drinking laws a few years ago, have started calming down, and treating the kids in much the same firm but reasonable manner that the regular cops do, so it may just be a lack of field experience for most of their officers.

Second, unless someone actually shot the poor girl, her damages are no where near 40 million.  While she deserves something, whoever decided on that figure for her is an idiot.  The best she can really hope for is a few thousand dollars in a settlement, just to go away.

Shoving the kids in jail overnight after terrorizing them with guns for doing nothing and refusing to drop charges for month? Nah, no significant damages.

/maybe not 40m, but Fark isnt really in the best position to decide...I hope whatever number it is hurts somebody's budget


When a suit like this is filed, both the actual and punitive damages are enumerated. - but the media never gives us those numbers. these discussions might make a little more sense if they did.
 
2014-03-29 11:47:29 AM  

maddogdelta: Oldiron_79: So the vic was drinking Bud Light?

I was running in the MC Marathon in 2007.  About 15 miles into the run, I hear a marine at a water stop up ahead calling out "Gatorade over here.... Bud Lite over there"

15 miles in, and I wasn't really thinking logically... I was just thinking "Hey! Even Bud Lite will taste good now!"

Of course, the "Bud Lite" line was water, but the jerk got my hopes up!

// Semper Fi, anonymous MC jokester


He didn't lie - Bud Lite IS water.
 
2014-03-29 11:50:48 AM  

Hobodeluxe: office_despot: Even if she had been underage and buying a six pack of beer, in WHAT world is pulling a gun on someone over that appropriate?  Buying a six pack of beer is not endangering anyone's life.

Law enforcement really needs to start giving intelligence tests before hiring.

they actually cull them if they're too smart. they don't want any independent critical thinkers in the ranks.


I've always thought, that when the applicant states that, "All my life, I've wanted to be a police officer", they should be automatically shown the door, because you've got a junior Gestapo wannabe on your hands.
 
2014-03-29 11:52:46 AM  
The police should have malpractice insurance.
I suppose they already do, it's just called something else.

And...

The police should have video cameras recording continuously so the court can see what really happened.

I suppose citizens will need them also.
 
2014-03-29 11:56:31 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Lekneh: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim. My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.

She will never be able to get a security clearance.


That's not true. People with arrest records get security clearances all the time, particularly if the arrest was expunged. I think she's got some validity to her damages claim if she really does have documented PTSD from the experience; you can estimate how much lost income she would suffer over a lifetime and come up with a number. I doubt it's going to be anywhere near $40 million, though. That's a meaningless number, but she could very well wind up with $1 million or more. Good thing, too; cops need to be reined in with all this SWAT-team BS they increasingly use on simple misdemeanor collars.
 
2014-03-29 12:04:23 PM  

doglover: Also, I would like to see a law where cops who are not in uniform are not cops. "plain clothes officer" should mean "no authority person" You can still use undercover cops as witnesses and in prostitution stings, but there should be an explicit law that a cop in plain clothes is no cop at all.


That entirely negates the purpose of "citizen's arrest"
 
2014-03-29 12:04:32 PM  
The cops deserve every bit of this.  They were all in plain clothes, rushed their car with guns drawn when they had not committed a crime, so the girls freaked and sped off, while  calling the police to report they had just been attacked.  Dispatch tells them to stop and pull over, which they did, and they were then still charged with multiple felonies (assaulting police [no injuries], and evading arrest).

fark Virginia cops.
 
2014-03-29 12:05:03 PM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


The way the system works. You file for 40 in hopes of getting 4. Then after the lawyers take there cut, you go to McDonald's and buy a value meal with large fries.
 
2014-03-29 12:06:52 PM  
Sounds like some people haven't dealt with the ABC before.  You may dislike cops, but there is no group that maliciously abuses their power like they do.  They tried to railroad one of my coworkers about a decade ago, who was ex-military, ex-cop, ex-professional sports player who was just there for some extra retirement money, not realizing who they were going after. It was really humorous to see what happened when he made a few phone calls to people he had worked with who were really high up in state or federal now.

/he did absolutely nothing wrong
//they had a guy who was 50+ buy a beer, then after he received it they tried to swap him with a 17 year old and claim he'd been sold drinks underage -- watched it happen myself, as I was laughing about how some random 50 year old had bought a teenager a beer.
///why yes, they work off of the fine money they bring in, too!
////some states' ABC people are worse than others
 
2014-03-29 12:08:31 PM  

LazyMedia: I think she's got some validity to her damages claim if she really does have documented PTSD from the experience; you can estimate how much lost income she would suffer over a lifetime and come up with a number. I doubt it's going to be anywhere near $40 million, though. That's a meaningless number, but she could very well wind up with $1 million or more. Good thing, too; cops need to be reined in with all this SWAT-team BS they increasingly use on simple misdemeanor collars.


Most people are missing the point.  The 40 million isn't for her anxiety, its so they stop having glorified truant officers charging in with weapons drawn to arrest people for potentially having beer when they shouldn't.  That's a recipe for SOMEONE getting dead, maybe even one of these cops (who will be a "hero" who fell in the line of duty).

The 40 million is punitive damages to punish this department for doing something RIDICULOUS and extremely unsafe for everyone involved.  And really none of these guys will be punished at all so even then it doesn't help.  We need to implement always-on full-body recordings with sound for all police officers and then strike down qualified immunity and require any lawsuits to pass a simple deposition where the cop's camera feed is examined by a judge to prove there's basic merit.
 
2014-03-29 12:08:59 PM  
And I hope they get every penny of it. Cops are slowly turning into jack booted thugs that need to be reigned in.
 
2014-03-29 12:09:01 PM  

LazyMedia: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Lekneh: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim. My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.

She will never be able to get a security clearance.

That's not true. People with arrest records get security clearances all the time, particularly if the arrest was expunged. I think she's got some validity to her damages claim if she really does have documented PTSD from the experience; you can estimate how much lost income she would suffer over a lifetime and come up with a number. I doubt it's going to be anywhere near $40 million, though. That's a meaningless number, but she could very well wind up with $1 million or more. Good thing, too; cops need to be reined in with all this SWAT-team BS they increasingly use on simple misdemeanor collars.


Just want to ditto this, since the "no security clearance" is a popular meme.  Arrest records -- and in some cases even convictions -- do not stop you from getting a security clearance.  It just depends how much the agency wants you.  They do make it hard, though, if you're an outside contractor who needs the clearance to do work for the government.  That's a big showstopper, again, unless you are providing something very few other people can.
 
2014-03-29 12:09:24 PM  

Tigger: dukeblue219: Satanic_Hamster: Let's say the cops were right; she was underage and purchasing booze.  So their plan was to point a shiatload of loaded weapons at a farking KID just for buying alcohol?

Sure, why not? In graduate school in an engineering building we had a professor accused (rightly) of misappropriating a few hundred thousand dollars. A legit crime worthy of a search warrant, no doubt. Instead, 2 fully armed and armored swat teams, followed by uniformed state police, stormed the building and held everyone they found there at 8am at gunpoint. We're talking about 21-25 year old engineering students and their professors who aren't even connected to this case. It was a big learning moment for me about how the police view the public.

It's not how they view the public that's the problem. It's how they view themselves. Heroic tough guy defenders of justice in a world gone badly wrong. In their minds because of who they are they need and deserve all that equipment.


To be fair, when there actually is a bad guy and the cops are actually in the right, having some of that stuff is really handy for the forces of good and law.


In fact, most cops are actually pretty good at not abusing their authority. They're very much trained, like dogs, to be hierarchical. This is a good thing.

The problem is that you have lawmakers giving them authority they don't deserve or need. Like the power to arrest a kid for having a beer under 21.

These guys prolly have a quota (All the current cops say they don't, but all the former cops say they do.) They need to bust x number of kids or funding gets cut. Funding gets cut, they can't feed their kids. So their brains are all hopped up on desperation and training. So when they see ANYTHING that might be an offense, they go to 11 immediately. Full farkin' textbook takebown in case this suspect is the next Bonnie and Clyde style hard ass with a BAR across their laps and nothing to lose is what they're trained to do. So out comes the guns and they don't wear uniforms because the element of surprise is a force multiplier. But it all goes to hell, and here we are.

These two cops did what they were trained to do, like dogs. They were too aggressive for no reason, like bad dogs. They made a big mess and traumatized a minor, like very bad dogs. So, we should treat them like the dogs they are and make sure their training is very clear. Right now we train them to be vicious hunting dogs with the latest and greatest German Schanze-Essen training and encourage them to run down everything that moves and piss on anything that doesn't. It's not the dog's fault when the owner is bad. We should train the next generation of police to be more like sheep dogs. Observe the herd, guide its movement, and tear into any wolves that show up. Instead of warriors, they should be guardians. Instead of hunters, they should be gatekeepers. Instead of vice law, they should be dealing with violent crimes.
 
2014-03-29 12:10:35 PM  

doglover: I do think that paying her more than a few $100,000 tops is way too much. I've been falsely arrested at the age of 18 myself. Get a hobby, girl. Work some of that stress off.


It's unlikely she's the one who set the damage amount.  Once she signed on with a lawyer, the entire deal is out of her hands.  The huge punitive damage amount got the media attention the case needed.  They will enter negotiations and settle out of court for an amount they won't be allowed to disclose.

And has anyone mentioned this is a repeat, Pete?
 
2014-03-29 12:10:38 PM  
Super_pope:

The 40 million is punitive damages to punish this department for doing something RIDICULOUS and extremely unsafe for everyone involved.

Think of all the children who would have died if she had been allowed to get away with that water unchecked.  She could have gone on a multi-state gardening spree, watering dying plans wantonly.
 
2014-03-29 12:18:40 PM  

mrmopar5287: doglover: Also, I would like to see a law where cops who are not in uniform are not cops. "plain clothes officer" should mean "no authority person" You can still use undercover cops as witnesses and in prostitution stings, but there should be an explicit law that a cop in plain clothes is no cop at all.

That entirely negates the purpose of "citizen's arrest"


This is a problem? We really need this guy out apprehending people?

mayberrymeets.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-29 12:19:25 PM  

FitzShivering: Super_pope:

The 40 million is punitive damages to punish this department for doing something RIDICULOUS and extremely unsafe for everyone involved.

Think of all the children who would have died if she had been allowed to get away with that water unchecked.  She could have gone on a multi-state gardening spree, watering dying plans wantonly.


Water? Like from the toilet?
 
2014-03-29 12:20:50 PM  
I hope that young lady has learned her lesson now.
 
2014-03-29 12:22:31 PM  

FitzShivering: Think of all the children who would have died if she had been allowed to get away with that water unchecked.  She could have gone on a multi-state gardening spree, watering dying plans wantonly.


Even if it WAS beer, like... she was buying beer.  There's literally ZERO reason to think she's going to pull out a Tommy Gun and just UNLOAD if they try to stop her while wearing their uniforms and without drawing arms.  Getting a boner because you get to threaten someone's life makes you totally unfit for being a cop.  Its basically a requirement to be employed in a PD these days, but you're still utterly unfit for duty.
 
2014-03-29 12:26:43 PM  

doglover: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.


Crush them, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentation of their women!
 
2014-03-29 12:30:48 PM  
This case has some merit IMHO.

Virginia ABC was acting like the Catholic Church before the incident. The agent in charge at least one year before had "lost control" of another office and was asked to transfer (just like the Catholic Church and schools transferring bad apples rather than firing) to the office where this event happened.

This wouldn't have come to light so easily except that the agent no 2 at that office was told he could apply for the same job before the superiors decided to transfer the bad apple into the office to hide a problem.

Problem was this agent had no problem with plainclothes officers pulling guns on someone who appears to be buying beer underaged. Flashing a badge quickly doesn't absolve them of that. They should have used their
Badges first before pulling their guns. I know their official story is that the guns didn't come out until after she tried to hit (murder) them with her car but wouldn't you try to get away from some creeps telling you to get out of the car?

I don't buy it that the guns were pulled that late. She ignored their brief badge flash and they escalated it. All with a bad apple agent in charge. Sorry it wasn't just training at play and I usually will defend police in toss up situations.

40 million is too much but 100k is too little for an official coverup. Unless more heads roll with loss of pensions etc.
 
2014-03-29 12:31:23 PM  

Man On A Mission: labman: Or they are using the mobile version of the site on their phone that doesn't have that link at the bottom. (Like I am)

Or no one can actually find the "original" thread.


The mobile site does have the link at the bottom. It's labeled "report error".

It's how Megan and I are penpals.

Usually if you come across as a human, even if you don't know the original link, they'll do something. My current lack of TF is to try and limit my time on the computer, not an expression of disdain for the admins.

/the users of TFD, however, well, they're another story.
 
2014-03-29 12:35:12 PM  

Super_pope: Even if it WAS beer, like... she was buying beer.  There's literally ZERO reason to think she's going to pull out a Tommy Gun and just UNLOAD if they try to stop her while wearing their uniforms and without drawing arms.   Getting a boner because you get to threaten someone's life makes you totally unfit for being a cop.  Its basically a requirement to be employed in a PD these days, but you're still utterly unfit for duty.


All six officers on scene were plainclothes.  Not a single officer there was wearing a uniform or driving a marked vehicle.

Also, obviously the  only reason for them to rush the car like that was because they get off on it.  If they had just calmly approached the vehicle with a badge in hand instead of a gun, this whole situation could have been avoided.  Its farking bullshiat, and its why if I was on this jury I'd award every penny.
 
2014-03-29 12:35:21 PM  

LazyMedia: mrmopar5287: doglover: Also, I would like to see a law where cops who are not in uniform are not cops. "plain clothes officer" should mean "no authority person" You can still use undercover cops as witnesses and in prostitution stings, but there should be an explicit law that a cop in plain clothes is no cop at all.

That entirely negates the purpose of "citizen's arrest"

This is a problem? We really need this guy out apprehending people?

[mayberrymeets.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]


In the ideal United States, YES we need this guy apprehending criminals.

need
verb
1.  require (something) because it is essential or very important.
2.expressing necessity or obligation.

Let's blend the two meanings and call citizen's arrests an obligation that is essential or very important to the functioning of a first world society.  If a crime has been committed and a person (not even a citizen) is witness to a felony or misdemeanor, it would be the ideal situation for them to immediately apprehend the perpetrator if they are able to do so in a safe manner.  This gets the criminal off the streets without letting them run loose to possibly commit more crimes, and it also motivates people to take responsibility and be invested in their communities.  It is far better than a callous disregard that most people have when they see a crime and think "That's the job of the police" as they shrug and walk away from a situation that they very will might be able to end right there on the spot.  It cuts down on false arrests based upon eye witness reports when you immediately apprehend the person on the spot.  Lastly, it also functions to knock the police down a notch or two in most people's mentalhierarchy when you communicate the legal concept to people that THEY have the power to make an arrest and right a wrong, and they are a partner with the police who act as the transport to the jail and court system.
 
2014-03-29 12:38:14 PM  
Thank God it wasn't an Arizona iced tea or else somebody would have ended up killed!
 
2014-03-29 12:46:06 PM  

Super_pope: FitzShivering: Think of all the children who would have died if she had been allowed to get away with that water unchecked.  She could have gone on a multi-state gardening spree, watering dying plans wantonly.

Even if it WAS beer, like... she was buying beer.  There's literally ZERO reason to think she's going to pull out a Tommy Gun and just UNLOAD if they try to stop her while wearing their uniforms and without drawing arms.  Getting a boner because you get to threaten someone's life makes you totally unfit for being a cop.  Its basically a requirement to be employed in a PD these days, but you're still utterly unfit for duty.


This.I don't care if she had a couple of bottles of Everclear...drawing weapons and busting car windows to haul somebody out of a vehicle for underage possession is in no way acceptable.
 
2014-03-29 12:46:39 PM  
Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.
 
2014-03-29 01:08:12 PM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


I see you don't understand how lawsuits work.
 
2014-03-29 01:10:14 PM  
As a (sad to say) middle aged man; why is the drinking age 21 in America?

At 18 years old you can legally
-vote
-marry
-sign a contract
-do porn
-buy a gun
-fight and die for your country
but you can't buy alcohol. Why?
 
2014-03-29 01:10:32 PM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


I agree. While on the one hand, that is a lot of manpower to try and catch someone using a fake I.D., this was just a misunderstanding and no harm came to anyone. This lawsuit is frivolous and the product of a self-entitled brat that likely had any hint of adversity in her life paved over by her undoubtedly wealthy parents
 
2014-03-29 01:13:06 PM  

Alonjar: Super_pope: Even if it WAS beer, like... she was buying beer.  There's literally ZERO reason to think she's going to pull out a Tommy Gun and just UNLOAD if they try to stop her while wearing their uniforms and without drawing arms.   Getting a boner because you get to threaten someone's life makes you totally unfit for being a cop.  Its basically a requirement to be employed in a PD these days, but you're still utterly unfit for duty.

All six officers on scene were plainclothes.  Not a single officer there was wearing a uniform or driving a marked vehicle.

Also, obviously the  only reason for them to rush the car like that was because they get off on it.  If they had just calmly approached the vehicle with a badge in hand instead of a gun, this whole situation could have been avoided.  Its farking bullshiat, and its why if I was on this jury I'd award every penny.


Right. I said they could have done this just fine with uniforms and no guns. Frankly she's probably cute and they wanted to scare her til the point where they could extort a few dick suckings out of her.

Cops commit sexual assaults at like 5 times the rate of other americans
 
2014-03-29 01:13:31 PM  

doglover: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

No. We need to make the punative damages equal to all salaries, pentions, and budgets of any alcohol police. Destroy them, smote their ruin, undo their works, and end their lines. Vice laws mostly destroy societies. Break those who enforce them as the treasons they are.


Old school, love it.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-29 01:15:30 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

I agree. While on the one hand, that is a lot of manpower to try and catch someone using a fake I.D., this was just a misunderstanding and no harm came to anyone. This lawsuit is frivolous and the product of a self-entitled brat that likely had any hint of adversity in her life paved over by her undoubtedly wealthy parents


Punitive damages are so tricky for some of you better-of-aborteds
 
2014-03-29 01:17:06 PM  
Better of aborted what?
 
2014-03-29 01:38:16 PM  

R.A.Danny: Yep, we need the damages to hurt. Badly. Any cop thinking he needs to draw his weapon for an alleged underaged drinking bust REALLY needs to become a financial burden for wherever he works.


The problem is you can't sue bad cops as individuals - you can only sue the department they work for.   Until bad cops are held PERSONALLY responsible, and made to pay for their misconduct out of their own pockets, it will never stop.
 
2014-03-29 01:40:57 PM  

mjohnson71: but you can't buy alcohol. Why?


Because Jesus, that's why.

Same reason for 95% the other nitwit laws in this country.
 
2014-03-29 01:46:45 PM  

mjohnson71: As a (sad to say) middle aged man; why is the drinking age 21 in America?

At 18 years old you can legally
-vote
-marry
-sign a contract
-do porn
-buy a gun
-fight and die for your country
but you can't buy alcohol. Why?


Drunk driving.
 
2014-03-29 01:49:52 PM  

Lekneh: My sister was arrested once and even though the charges were dropped, it still shows up on her record when potential employers do a background check. It has seriously affected her ability to find employment. She would have definitely sued if she had known she'd never be able to find a job which utilizes her degree.


Unfortunately that happens a lot. Even if you are arrested by a a total mistake and error, the record of that arrest remains forever... Even sealed and expunged records frequently still turn up. Many companies will automatically not hire you if you have any record of an arrest, doesn't matter if the cops farked up and you were innocent and miles away, or they went to the wrong place, the initial arrest is enough to say it is not worth looking in to any further for the company no matter the circumstance.  I've worked at such a place.  If there was any sort of arrest record found, everything stops, the person is not to be hired.
 
2014-03-29 01:54:41 PM  

ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.


She should be awarded the full amount. Even if she had bought beer illegally they should have used uniformed officers knocking on her door and asking nicely to talk with her. Instead they treat her like a mexican drug lord with plainclothes ifficers drawing guns and smashing windows. If I were on the jury I'd make them pay a fraking fortune.
 
2014-03-29 02:16:16 PM  

MrBentor: Even sealed and expunged records frequently still turn up.


This really grinds my gears.
 
2014-03-29 02:25:11 PM  

zimbomba63: Hobodeluxe: office_despot: Even if she had been underage and buying a six pack of beer, in WHAT world is pulling a gun on someone over that appropriate?  Buying a six pack of beer is not endangering anyone's life.

Law enforcement really needs to start giving intelligence tests before hiring.

they actually cull them if they're too smart. they don't want any independent critical thinkers in the ranks.

I've always thought, that when the applicant states that, "All my life, I've wanted to be a police officer", they should be automatically shown the door, because you've got a junior Gestapo wannabe on your hands.


or, at least ask about that one summer where they wanted to be Kermit the Frog.
 
2014-03-29 02:45:46 PM  

Man On A Mission: Epic Fap Session: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

El Dudereno: Pete and Re-Pete went sailing...

Omegamerc: Drew should add a Repeat tab to Fark.

HighlanderRPI: From the windows, to the walls, to the sweat drip down my balls...
Awww re-peat-peat-peat-peat

I guess clicking on "Notify admins about this link" and giving them the link to the original thread is far too much work for all of you?


Yes. Yes it is.
 
2014-03-29 02:49:42 PM  
Trying to imagine myself in that situation is farking terrifying. Walking out of a store, just bought a case of bottled water, and a bunch of dudes in regular clothes jump me? Even as a mid-twenties fairly street-wise white male, I want no part of that. I can't even begin to imagine that from a 20-year-old college girl perspective. Six dudes flashing guns and barking orders? That's a gang attack. If I wasn't in my truck yet when they got to me, I'm farked. I don't have a carry permit, and it's not like it would do any good against a group with guns drawn already anyways. I'd be screaming for help like a biatch. If I'm in the truck already, it's slightly better, I can put it in gear and tear out, I wouldn't waste my time trying to run any over, but I'm sure not swerving if they're in the way. Even then, I'd be expecting to feel a bullet any second.

Ugh. fark that noise. I hope she gets every penny, and the state pays her lawyer, too.
 
2014-03-29 02:57:38 PM  
I hope she gets every penny, and I wish she'd run the bastards over.
 
2014-03-29 03:00:18 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: While she deserves something,


It's not just about what she deserves.  It's about what the state deserves for letting shiat like this go on, and what the agents deserve for abusing their authority.  That's why they call them "punitive damages".
 
2014-03-29 03:02:33 PM  

LandOfChocolate: y understanding is that the "police" didn't draw their weapons until she tried to flee in her vehicle with them in her way.


...and she didn't do that until they tried to break her car windows. So....
 
2014-03-29 03:03:25 PM  

vygramul: mjohnson71: As a (sad to say) middle aged man; why is the drinking age 21 in America?

At 18 years old you can legally
-vote
-marry
-sign a contract
-do porn
-buy a gun
-fight and die for your country
but you can't buy alcohol. Why?

Drunk driving.


This. Plus Mad Mothers Against Drunks. Plus 18-year-olds don't bother to vote, so they get what's coming to them from politicians. Plus Ronald "I'm for federalism except when it inconveniences me" Reagan, who threatened to cut off federal road funds from states that didn't raise their legal drinking age to 21.
 
2014-03-29 03:05:03 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: no harm came to anyone


cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.com
 
2014-03-29 03:07:37 PM  
There is no way in hell I'm stopping for someone who claims to be a police officer, especially if that person draws a weapon.

Forget that nonsense.
 
2014-03-29 03:46:30 PM  

LazyMedia: vygramul: mjohnson71: As a (sad to say) middle aged man; why is the drinking age 21 in America?

At 18 years old you can legally
-vote
-marry
-sign a contract
-do porn
-buy a gun
-fight and die for your country
but you can't buy alcohol. Why?

Drunk driving.

This. Plus Mad Mothers Against Drunks. Plus 18-year-olds don't bother to vote, so they get what's coming to them from politicians. Plus Ronald "I'm for federalism except when it inconveniences me" Reagan, who threatened to cut off federal road funds from states that didn't raise their legal drinking age to 21.


Yep. And all that.
 
2014-03-29 04:31:07 PM  

LazyMedia: Alcoholic Beverage Control agents

See, I think I see your problem right there.


It's not about the "Alcoholic Beverage", it's about "Control".
 
2014-03-29 04:59:33 PM  

Johnsnownw: There is no way in hell I'm stopping for someone who claims to be a police officer, especially if that person draws a weapon.

Forget that nonsense.


I would. There's WAY more chance that you'll get shot if you try to drive away from a carjacker. Just give them the car.
 
2014-03-29 05:03:32 PM  

RightWingWacko: LazyMedia: Alcoholic Beverage Control agents

See, I think I see your problem right there.

It's not about the "Alcoholic Beverage", it's about "Control".


My state is generally screwed up six ways to Sunday, but at least our liquor laws don't include anything as useless as an Alcoholic Beverage Control board. Now, I'm not saying Georgia doesn't have stupid liquor laws; we do (three-tier system that ensures local monopolies for distributors). But at least we don't have anything as dumb as state-owned liquor stores or special booze cops.
 
2014-03-29 05:08:10 PM  

LazyMedia: Johnsnownw: There is no way in hell I'm stopping for someone who claims to be a police officer, especially if that person draws a weapon.

Forget that nonsense.

I would. There's WAY more chance that you'll get shot if you try to drive away from a carjacker. Just give them the car.


No carjacker is going to target my car, trust me.
 
2014-03-29 05:29:17 PM  

More and more police organizations are getting way too far out of hand. This case, the cops in Texas who grabbed a female jogger's arm from behind, and when she jerked it away, busted her for resisting arrest (she was wearing headphones on her run). The cases of cops busting into the wrong house and shooting the dogs/homeowners/etc...And what about the SWAT team handing out tickets for broken windshields, presumably in body armor and tactical gear? All of these have been on fark fairly recently. And don't even get me started on the police behavior in Boston after the bombing...


The po-po in a lot of areas of this country are getting out of hand. They need to be jerked up short.

 
2014-03-29 07:39:49 PM  
They should never have dropped the charges to the failure to comply and hit and run.
 
2014-03-29 07:50:03 PM  
Once upon a time, I parked behind the Great Outdoors, in their lot.  I went in, got a sandwich to go, walked out.  As I walked up to my car, two cops came up to me saying 'Get back out of the car and give me the bottle".  I got out of the car, but I didn't have a bottle to give them.

This went back and forth a bit "What bottle?", "Give me the bottle!", "I don't have a bottle", etc several times.  Then he decided that I really wasn't going to give him the bottle I didn't have, so he changed tactics.

"Give me the brown paper bag".

Sure, no problem.  The one that says "Great Outdoors", when we're in the Great Outdoors parking lot and I just walked out of the sandwich shop?  Sure, take a look.

The asshole didn't even apologize.  He's just such a stupid dick that he can't imagine a brown paper bag that doesn't have a bottle of whiskey in it.

As best as I can tell, that's pretty average for a cop.

Even so, he didn't start pointing guns at me, he didn't try to break my window, and when he finally figured out that the bag I'd carried out of the sandwich shop had a sandwich in it, not booze, he gave it back and he left me alone.  The idiot in the article arrested the girl even after he knew she was innocent.

R.A.Danny: Yep, we need the damages to hurt. Badly. Any cop thinking he needs to draw his weapon for an alleged underaged drinking bust REALLY needs to become a financial burden for wherever he works.


Worse, even after they realized that she didn't have any alcohol and that they had farked up, they still arrested her, threw her in jail, and held her overnight.  She had to hire a lawyer to get them to drop the charges.  All of that happened after they *knew* that she didn't do what they were accusing her of.

ZAZ just thinks that the cops should be able to do anything they want.  He's welcome to kiss the cops ass if he wants, but I'll pass.
 
2014-03-29 08:13:06 PM  
When they allowed ABC agents to carry guns, things just went to Hell.
 
2014-03-29 08:18:19 PM  

JuggleGeek: Once upon a time, I parked behind the Great Outdoors, in their lot.  I went in, got a sandwich to go, walked out.  As I walked up to my car, two cops came up to me saying 'Get back out of the car and give me the bottle".  I got out of the car, but I didn't have a bottle to give them.

This went back and forth a bit "What bottle?", "Give me the bottle!", "I don't have a bottle", etc several times.  Then he decided that I really wasn't going to give him the bottle I didn't have, so he changed tactics.

"Give me the brown paper bag".

Sure, no problem.  The one that says "Great Outdoors", when we're in the Great Outdoors parking lot and I just walked out of the sandwich shop?  Sure, take a look.

The asshole didn't even apologize.  He's just such a stupid dick that he can't imagine a brown paper bag that doesn't have a bottle of whiskey in it.

As best as I can tell, that's pretty average for a cop.

Even so, he didn't start pointing guns at me, he didn't try to break my window, and when he finally figured out that the bag I'd carried out of the sandwich shop had a sandwich in it, not booze, he gave it back and he left me alone.  The idiot in the article arrested the girl even after he knew she was innocent.

R.A.Danny: Yep, we need the damages to hurt. Badly. Any cop thinking he needs to draw his weapon for an alleged underaged drinking bust REALLY needs to become a financial burden for wherever he works.

Worse, even after they realized that she didn't have any alcohol and that they had farked up, they still arrested her, threw her in jail, and held her overnight.  She had to hire a lawyer to get them to drop the charges.  All of that happened after they *knew* that she didn't do what they were accusing her of.

ZAZ just thinks that the cops should be able to do anything they want.  He's welcome to kiss the cops ass if he wants, but I'll pass.


I agree with you. My son, who is in his mid 20s, gets stopped almost frighteningly regularly by his local cops. He has dreads, tats, gauged ears, etc, and the cops consistently try to find drugs in his car, and then get pissed off when they don't find anything. He's an electrician, and keeps a bunch of gear in his car, and they trash all of that stuff during their searches.
 
2014-03-29 11:42:28 PM  

RandomRandom: ZAZ: If you file a $40 million lawsuit for being arrested, you should automatically lose and pay your victims' legal fees. Even if the arrest causes you anxiety. Even if the arrest causes you death. It's an absurd amount and the legal system should treat it as a frivolous claim.

When bad cops start being charged with the crimes they commit, I'll agree with you.

Until that day, massive lawsuits are the only ammunition innocent Americans have against oppressive, militarized, police forces who violate their rights.

 /Would love to be on that jury.


I live here and if I happen to wind up on that jury she'll get every penny. I'd love to see the ABC disappear so I could finally buy real booze at a grocery store instead of making a special stop at a state run store.
 
2014-03-30 12:03:37 AM  

storm16: I agree with you. My son, who is in his mid 20s, gets stopped almost frighteningly regularly by his local cops. He has dreads, tats, gauged ears, etc, and the cops consistently try to find drugs in his car, and then get pissed off when they don't find anything. He's an electrician, and keeps a bunch of gear in his car, and they trash all of that stuff during their searches.


I dont doubt it.  I got stopped and searched once just because I (apparently) chose the wrong cheap hotel to stay at when my house was getting a termite treatment.  The cops even told me that was why, and kept asking why I was at that hotel and not some other one.  Uh.. because I had no idea it was apparently a drug trade zone?
 
2014-03-30 12:17:01 AM  

Alonjar: The cops even told me that was why, and kept asking why I was at that hotel and not some other one.  Uh.. because I had no idea it was apparently a drug trade zone?


They kept asking because they were seeking probable cause to make your bad day much worse.
 
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