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(Daily Mail)   A 14-year-old student who is possibly smarter than 99% of us has figured out a way to save the U.S. government $400 million a year, just by switching the font they use to print out documents   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 191
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2014-03-29 09:26:33 AM

WelldeadLink: itcamefromschenectady: Also, the US Government Printing Office's budget is only about $130 million, so how are they going to save $400 million?

They'll save $3 billion in inkjet ink.


Because they aren't the only ones who print?
 
2014-03-29 09:30:43 AM
We need regulated ink pricing!
 
2014-03-29 09:32:07 AM

Braggi: We need regulated ink pricing!


Hush, we're still dealing with oil wars, we can't begin to start paying for the ink wars.
 
2014-03-29 09:38:14 AM
The substantial majority of printed material is printed in bulk by bulk printers and not with laser or inkjet printers.
 
2014-03-29 09:43:24 AM
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2014-03-29 09:57:34 AM
Shostie [TotalFark]
2014-03-28 08:45:01 PM


Yes. So simple. Also working under the presumption that the government is a single, hyper-efficient entity that can change things like that on a whim.

republican in office - farklibs "change now"

democrat in office "change can't happen on a whim"

// cause drop downs are harrrrd.
 
2014-03-29 09:58:13 AM

Ambivalence: Abzzstain: Because the government only uses inkjet printers and buys single cartridges at retail prices. Surely no one in the government has ever heard of bulk purchasing. Or laser printers.

Laser printers use toner.  It's the "ink" equivalent and it aint cheap.


Yes. Yes it is cheap.
 
2014-03-29 10:00:19 AM
The government probably uses the same method that most larger businesses use for printing which is leasing.    This way the maintenance and upgrade problems are passed on to a company that is specifically trained by the copier manufacturers to deal with those messes.  Toner used isn't a part of the equation - they pay per click. One click is anything printed on 1 -  8.5x11 sheet.  That cost which includes toner and maintenance is probably about 2 cents per sheet in black and 10 cents for color.  A sheet with a single black dot on it is 2 cents.  A sheet completely black is 2 cents.  The amount of toner used doesn't matter.

But let's say that they really could benefit from using less toner.  The company I work for uses Canon copiers.  Each cartridge would cost about $75 if we bought them outside of our contract.  Each cartridge is good for more than 40,000 sheets at the common 5% coverage.  That's .18 cents or $0.0018 per page.

If the gov is spending $467,000,000 on toner, then it must be printing about 260,000,000,000 sheets per year.  That's more than 800 sheets for every man, woman and child alive in the US today.  Does that sound right to you?
 
2014-03-29 10:04:15 AM
Have any of you actually tried to read something printed by the GPO? It's horrible, and making the font smaller is a very bad idea.
 
2014-03-29 10:09:10 AM
when half of the pages in your documents look like this:
www.pjvoice.com
font doesn't matter.
 
2014-03-29 10:13:38 AM
Why bother? Michelle Obama will just use that $400M to print up new lobster menus.
 
2014-03-29 10:52:49 AM

zzzzt: If the gov is spending $467,000,000 on toner, then it must be printing about 260,000,000,000 sheets per year.  That's more than 800 sheets for every man, woman and child alive in the US today.  Does that sound right to you?


Yes. Yes it does.
 
2014-03-29 11:04:00 AM

The Googles Do Nothing: HA! HA! HA!

I'M WASTING YOUR PIXELS111


Joke's on you. These pixels are 100% recyclable.
 
2014-03-29 12:13:28 PM

italie: zzzzt: If the gov is spending $467,000,000 on toner, then it must be printing about 260,000,000,000 sheets per year.  That's more than 800 sheets for every man, woman and child alive in the US today.  Does that sound right to you?

Yes. Yes it does.


There is no way that every government employee in the country prints over 40 pages every working day. And how can they save 85% of the toner by switching fonts?

The government, like every other business, has been using more and more electronic documents and fewer printed ones. I have worked for a government contractor and I handled electronic documents exclusively. I currently work for a nonprofit that's owned by a public entity and I haven't printed a single sheet of paper in more than a month.

When I mentioned the US Gov. Printing Office having a much smaller budget than the purported savings, it wasn't because I thought nobody ever prints out anything independently of it, but because it is absurd to think that the rest of the government prints out orders of magnitude more stuff, when the GPO has a small budget and is printing out fewer and fewer things because of people moving to electronic documents. The point of having a Printing Office is to save costs by centralizing the significant jobs.

If the article was actually serious and not click bait, it would have talked about percentages.
 
2014-03-29 12:18:19 PM
I can save the the US government $400 BILLION dollars in incarceration and law enforcement and legal costs...simply by eliminating welfare.
 
2014-03-29 12:25:52 PM

Ambivalence: Laser printers use toner. It's the "ink" equivalent and it aint cheap.


Actually it is. Just buy the toner and refill the cartridges yourself.
 
2014-03-29 12:27:23 PM

Barfmaker: Now there's a guy who is never going to get laid in his entire life.


No, that's not necessarily true...but he'll only get skinny twinks.
 
2014-03-29 12:30:48 PM
Aren't printing costs usually a flat rate per page?
 
2014-03-29 01:06:47 PM
print everything in Braille. no ink at all!
 
2014-03-29 01:37:25 PM
TIL there are still plenty of people out there that own inkjet printers.

Sometimes reality will blow your farking mind. This was one of those days.
 
2014-03-29 01:44:43 PM
dennysgod:
Well for gods sakes do not try to get a congressional Democrat to submit a bill to implement this because if it has a "D" after the bill the GOP will be automatically against it, even if it does save taxpayers money.

With their recent track record, a Democrat-supported bill to enforce this would cost $400 billion, and wouldn't be implemented in full for twenty years, just in time for everyone else to stop using printers altogether.

They could call it the Affordable Toner Act.
 
2014-03-29 02:02:21 PM

Ambivalence: Abzzstain: Because the government only uses inkjet printers and buys single cartridges at retail prices. Surely no one in the government has ever heard of bulk purchasing. Or laser printers.

Laser printers use toner.  It's the "ink" equivalent and it aint cheap.


It's a lot cheaper than ink.
 
2014-03-29 02:35:26 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/03/28/sixth-grader-tells - government-how-to-save-400m-on-ink/

So he's a 14 year old 6th grader?  Held back for googling science fair projects?
 
2014-03-29 02:37:59 PM

Saturn5: Wow, people are protective of their government font.  Fixing Global Warming - we can do that, but changing fonts is hard.


Actually, changing fonts IS hard.

Sure, it's no problem for a basic text document.  But when you're dealing with forms, you can't just change the font and have it format correctly.

So if you change the font, you've got to redesign all those forms, and the government has a lot of forms.  So a font change means that you're going to have to pay a designer to redo all of those so that it looks good.  I'm going to make a guess that if you were to redesign all the government forms so that you could go to a new font, you're going to spend many, years of ink savings on the redesign if you're using expensive inkjet ink.  You'd probably be talking decades of savings to recoup if you're talking about toner.  And if it's bulk offset printing ink?  Probably centuries.
 
2014-03-29 03:10:39 PM
The GSA has had PrintWise in place for a few years now, and this kid is suggesting the government use a font they've already been recommending since at least 2012.  How is this kid deserving any credit?
 
2014-03-29 03:46:27 PM

Zygar:


It took almost 10 posts to note MCLOVIN, I am disappoint.
 
2014-03-29 03:50:44 PM

DarkVader: So a font change means that you're going to have to pay a designer to redo all of those so that it looks good.


Hahaha, you think government forms look good?

Oh man, I have the handwriting of a 3rd grader and I could still take a blank sheet of people and make things look better than some of our computer generated documents where I fill in the blanks and hit print.

We have one where we click a box and if the sentence isn't applicable, it prints with a line of X's typed over the sentence.  That is a document that will potentially be used in court, too.
 
2014-03-29 04:00:36 PM

itcamefromschenectady: italie: zzzzt: If the gov is spending $467,000,000 on toner, then it must be printing about 260,000,000,000 sheets per year.  That's more than 800 sheets for every man, woman and child alive in the US today.  Does that sound right to you?

Yes. Yes it does.

There is no way that every government employee in the country prints over 40 pages every working day. And how can they save 85% of the toner by switching fonts?

The government, like every other business, has been using more and more electronic documents and fewer printed ones. I have worked for a government contractor and I handled electronic documents exclusively. I currently work for a nonprofit that's owned by a public entity and I haven't printed a single sheet of paper in more than a month.

When I mentioned the US Gov. Printing Office having a much smaller budget than the purported savings, it wasn't because I thought nobody ever prints out anything independently of it, but because it is absurd to think that the rest of the government prints out orders of magnitude more stuff, when the GPO has a small budget and is printing out fewer and fewer things because of people moving to electronic documents. The point of having a Printing Office is to save costs by centralizing the significant jobs.

If the article was actually serious and not click bait, it would have talked about percentages.



There was some snark in my comment that apparently wasn't tagged right.
 
2014-03-29 04:25:40 PM

The Googles Do Nothing: HA! HA! HA!

I'M WASTING YOUR PIXELS111


What color is a monitor when it's powered off?  BLACK, dummy.

The more black pixels you put on my screen, the more money you're SAVING me.

Thanks!!!
 
2014-03-29 04:49:00 PM

poot_rootbeer: The Googles Do Nothing: HA! HA! HA!

I'M WASTING YOUR PIXELS111

What color is a monitor when it's powered off?  BLACK, dummy.

The more black pixels you put on my screen, the more money you're SAVING me.

Thanks!!!


How do you like me now?
 
2014-03-29 05:09:19 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: itcamefromschenectady: It's been proven that you don't actually need vowels to understand English, so why not ban them from government publications? That will save a lot of ink.

So, you're suggesting a vowel resection?


I lol'd, had 3 of them. Well done.
 
2014-03-29 08:22:52 PM
Times New Roman has a pretty strong and well-funded lobby, so I predict failure.
 
2014-03-29 10:51:39 PM
There was an article published by CNet in 2010 ( link: http://www.cnet.com/news/the-right-font-can-save-you-money/  )

And I don't think they were the first to report this.

And the Cnet story went green here, too.
 
2014-03-29 11:02:39 PM
The government could save a fortune if they replaced all the staff with 1000 monkeys on 1000 typewriters.

/be more productive too
 
2014-03-30 12:06:48 AM
The headline says 'font'.  Garamond vs. Times New Roman is not a different 'font', subtard.  It is a different typeface.
Bold is a font.
Italic is a font.
Garamond is not a font.  It is a typeface.  How do you feel getting a greenlight for being a moran?
 
2014-03-30 12:38:45 AM
Petition the president! All government docs in wingdings!
 
2014-03-30 03:22:17 AM

syrynxx: The headline says 'font'.  Garamond vs. Times New Roman is not a different 'font', subtard.  It is a different typeface.
Bold is a font.
Italic is a font.
Garamond is not a font.  It is a typeface.  How do you feel getting a greenlight for being a moran?


Nerd
 
2014-03-30 06:30:52 AM
They could save more than that by not printing "This page intentionally left blank" on the pages that would be blank if they hadn't printed "This page intentionally left blank" on them.
 
2014-03-30 07:38:36 AM
Why don`t they email more. I`m sure that would save even more ink...

I got told in the 70`s that we would have paperless offices.

I`m still waiting and bits of paper still come through my front door like people will be whipped if they don`t send more.

I have an email address, it stores every bit of correspondence I get. I store it in multiple places and don`t need to visit my home address to get a message. I have one for business and one for friends so I can just get the emails I want when on holiday etc.

It`s a better system but they insist that unless something is printed on paper then they have not sent it or received it.

Luddites.

"I`ve found a way for the horse and cart to use only 3 bales of hay a day instead of four"

Stop propping up an old and broken system and come up with something better if you think you are so smart...
 
2014-03-30 07:39:22 AM

fredbox: They could save more than that by not printing "This page intentionally left blank" on the pages that would be blank if they hadn't printed "This page intentionally left blank" on them.


They could turn it into a joke about a blank page paradox that`s only funny if you don`t read it.
 
2014-03-30 11:11:16 AM
Gary Somerset, of the Government Printing Office, described the work as 'remarkable' but told CNN the office was focused more on switching to digital rather than changing the font.

Because it's not like they could implement ONE solution while working towards the other, or something. What a prick.
 
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