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2014-03-29 01:10:14 PM  
He's an Uncle Habib.
 
2014-03-29 01:12:18 PM  

sugardave: Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.


I'm curious how you draw the line between terrorism and the normal course of warfare. Collateral damage is inevitable and even sometimes (as in the case of strategic bombing) the whole point. Does that make the United States Air Force a terrorist organization?
 
2014-03-29 01:43:01 PM  

sugardave: Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.


It's been well over a decade and this is the first time I've heard someone claim that the 9/11 hijackers may have been coerced into taking part of the attacks.

Do you have some sort of magic devised information that the rest of the world is lacking?
 
2014-03-29 01:57:22 PM  

DeArmondVI: fusillade762: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

Of course that sort of assumes that those 60s spy films were spoofs of earlier, Cold War movies.

"In Like Flint" and "Our Man Flint" were parodies, I'd say.


I think the Flint series were put in to see what would happen. If the audience liked it as real spy action, then they would move on it that direction. If the audience received it as parodies, then they'll move in that direction. They were a bit over the top, but then, after watching some of the lesser known Bond films, I'm thinking, "Really? They really have someone screaming out, 'Thirty Seconds until touchdown... Twenty-nine seconds until...', while the subterranean lair is blowing apart?"
 
2014-03-29 02:15:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.

It's been well over a decade and this is the first time I've heard someone claim that the 9/11 hijackers may have been coerced into taking part of the attacks.

Do you have some sort of magic devised information that the rest of the world is lacking?


Nope, I just don't like absolutes in the face of not being able to interrogate the perpetrators.
 
2014-03-29 02:16:29 PM  

BMulligan: sugardave: Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.

I'm curious how you draw the line between terrorism and the normal course of warfare. Collateral damage is inevitable and even sometimes (as in the case of strategic bombing) the whole point. Does that make the United States Air Force a terrorist organization?


Mea culpa, let me add "deliberately as part of your strategy, taking the lives of innocents..."
 
2014-03-29 02:42:15 PM  

sugardave: Mea culpa, let me add "deliberately as part of your strategy, taking the lives of innocents..."


Wait, deliberately?

I thought you said the 9/11 hijackers were forced into taking part.
 
2014-03-29 02:46:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Mea culpa, let me add "deliberately as part of your strategy, taking the lives of innocents..."

Wait, deliberately?

I thought you said the 9/11 hijackers were forced into taking part.


Two different conversations, and no I didn't say that....I don't know either way, and neither do you.
 
2014-03-29 02:47:22 PM  

sugardave: Smackledorfer: sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.

Heroes, really, amirite?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Both fight for what they believe in. The difference is how we view their beliefs. I view religion as a stupid relic of our ignorance while developing the knowledge of our species, so killing in god's name is pretty retarded.


America is the big guy. The ONLY way to fight us is to fight dirty. Therefore it is illogical to say all those fighting us are terrorists because of cheap tactics.

Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.


Who is innocent?

Hypothetically let us say hitler won WWII.  Should the populace of Germany sit back and do nothing while benefiting from his evil tyranny be called innocent? 

Because that is essentially what the misguided views of fundamentalists are: there are the people doing the deeds, and the people who knowingly go along along for the ride and contribute to the evil system as complicit actors.
 
2014-03-29 02:49:02 PM  

sugardave: Nope, I just don't like absolutes in the face of not being able to interrogate the perpetrators.


Funny, because you sure seem to like absolutes elsewhere.
 
2014-03-29 02:50:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: sugardave: Smackledorfer: sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.

Heroes, really, amirite?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Both fight for what they believe in. The difference is how we view their beliefs. I view religion as a stupid relic of our ignorance while developing the knowledge of our species, so killing in god's name is pretty retarded.


America is the big guy. The ONLY way to fight us is to fight dirty. Therefore it is illogical to say all those fighting us are terrorists because of cheap tactics.

Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.

Who is innocent?

Hypothetically let us say hitler won WWII.  Should the populace of Germany sit back and do nothing while benefiting from his evil tyranny be called innocent? 

Because that is essentially what the misguided views of fundamentalists are: there are the people doing the deeds, and the people who knowingly go along along for the ride and contribute to the evil system as complicit actors.


Well, I'd think that most of the passengers on the planes and the people in the towers were innocent.  What do you think they are guilty of?
 
2014-03-29 02:52:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I saw a prescription today for 90 enemas. One per day for 90 days. This video reminded me of that.


Damn, that's some back-up!
Kinda reminds me of DD'S. Hard to flush this farker from the system.
 
2014-03-29 02:53:34 PM  

sugardave: Two different conversations, and no I didn't say that....I don't know either way, and neither do you.


So you do, or do not, have evidence that contradicts all the investigations into the 9/11 attacks?
 
2014-03-29 02:54:46 PM  

Smackledorfer: Should the populace of Germany sit back and do nothing while benefiting from his evil tyranny be called innocent?


I mangled that sentence.

Should the populace of Germany who sits back and does nothing while benefiting from his tyranny be considered innocent?

This some gray area stuff. I'm not in any way supporting islamic terrorists.  I am saying it is possible for someone to act heroically for their cause while supporting a really stupid cause. This is true for everything from Islamists to people who die fighting the drug war.

Look at how the U.S. defines terrorism:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definiti on

You will see that most of those can be applied to almost any fighting by an occupied people against the occupier.  Even in the most extreme example of killing civilians, we can easily see how a force that thought it was on the right side of of war could justify killing the financial supporters and economic infrastructure of their enemy.
 
2014-03-29 02:55:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Two different conversations, and no I didn't say that....I don't know either way, and neither do you.

So you do, or do not, have evidence that contradicts all the investigations into the 9/11 attacks?


Holy shiat I just said "no."  But, tell me, can you be 100% certain that they weren't coerced in some fashion?  Did you ask them?  Because, if you did, you should take that seance circuit on the road.

Peace.
 
2014-03-29 02:59:35 PM  

sugardave: Holy shiat I just said "no." But, tell me, can you be 100% certain that they weren't coerced in some fashion? Did you ask them? Because, if you did, you should take that seance circuit on the road.


Yes, your skeptic / just asking questions act is adorable.
 
2014-03-29 02:59:59 PM  

sugardave: Well, I'd think that most of the passengers on the planes and the people in the towers were innocent.  What do you think they are guilty of?


Supporting the government of the United States which perpetrates the perceived world-wide assault on Islam in the eyes of the fundamentalists.  To them, we are the aggressor.  To them, they are doing anything they can to fight back against us and liberate themselves from our tyranny. Now, with that in mind, it would be absurd to require them to somehow "fight fair".  If a guy five times my size starts a fight with me, he doesn't get to set the rules, and you can bet I'm gonna gouge an eye, clap his ears, and kick his balls if I get the chance.  Probably bite too.

You really seem stuck on this concept of different sides having different points of view.  Is it that you aren't intelligent enough to consider things from their (in my opinion wrong) point of view, or do you simply feel backed into a corner by your earlier statements and are doubling down?
 
2014-03-29 03:01:02 PM  
Actually, I feel bad for anyone who appears to be intelligent and articulate spouting conservative rhetoric.

Conservatism is dead. The only reason it is still being taken seriously is because it is an outlet for rich white men and self-hating people of color to wield power.
 
2014-03-29 03:01:56 PM  

MAC3: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/2tdkm8/dinesh-d-souza

This is the only interview of D'Souza that you will ever need to watch.


Thanks. I'd forgotten that. So great.

'Why do gays like maggots?'
 
2014-03-29 03:03:00 PM  

sugardave: But, tell me, can you be 100% certain that they weren't coerced in some fashion?


If coercion is offering them money and then after they commit to take action threatening retribution if they try to back out, then our military is coerced as well. Desperate poor people with no hope for success in life sign up for the only decent paying job that will accept them and offer them a college education.

And fwiw, when you are reduced to saying "x happened" and then backing it off into "can you prove 100% it didn't" you have a pretty poor grasp on rational argument. That is right up there with the creationist test where the question was "what do you say to someone who doesn't believe god created the world in 7 days" and the answer was "were you there??, how do you know?"
 
2014-03-29 03:23:01 PM  

sugardave: Well, I'd think that most of the passengers on the planes and the people in the towers were innocent.  What do you think they are guilty of?


How would you know?

Were you there?

Did you talk to any of these "victims" ?
 
2014-03-29 04:22:01 PM  

whidbey: Actually, I feel bad for anyone who appears to be intelligent and articulate spouting conservative rhetoric.

Conservatism is dead. The only reason it is still being taken seriously is because it is an outlet for rich white men and self-hating people of color to wield power.


D'Souza commented in 2012:
"Even some people in the conservative press are scared of Obama. Take the Wall Street Editorial page, they have not touched the thesis of this film. They're scared of Obama.Why are they scared of Obama? Because if they hear the word, "anticolonialism," this is what they think: black, black, black. They feel that if they touch it, they will be bombarded with racial attack. As you saw in the film, we were careful to defuse that. Nevertheless there are conservatives that are nervous about it. I forge ahead. I mean I have a little bit of ethnic immunity and I intend to use it to the hilt but for a good cause.

http://www.newszillaonline.com/news-opinion/dsouza-flashback-obamas- vi ews-his-critics-as-the-bad-guys/

/It's not playing the race card when HE does it. . .
 
2014-03-29 04:43:46 PM  

HighOnCraic: whidbey: Actually, I feel bad for anyone who appears to be intelligent and articulate spouting conservative rhetoric.

Conservatism is dead. The only reason it is still being taken seriously is because it is an outlet for rich white men and self-hating people of color to wield power.

D'Souza commented in 2012:
"Even some people in the conservative press are scared of Obama. Take the Wall Street Editorial page, they have not touched the thesis of this film. They're scared of Obama.Why are they scared of Obama? Because if they hear the word, "anticolonialism," this is what they think: black, black, black. They feel that if they touch it, they will be bombarded with racial attack. As you saw in the film, we were careful to defuse that. Nevertheless there are conservatives that are nervous about it. I forge ahead. I mean I have a little bit of ethnic immunity and I intend to use it to the hilt but for a good cause.

http://www.newszillaonline.com/news-opinion/dsouza-flashback-obamas- vi ews-his-critics-as-the-bad-guys/

/It's not playing the race card when HE does it. . .


Seriously. Self-hating people of color are the most WTF. Do they think they're going to be let into the Good Ol' Boys Club or something if they keep carrying their water?
 
2014-03-29 06:21:18 PM  
Has comedy ever been parodied successfully?  It's redundant.
 
2014-03-30 05:21:34 AM  

sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Heroes, really, amirite?

Heroes and cowards are entirely different things.

You can be a total scumbag and not be a coward.

Are you arguing that they were scared to kill themselves?

Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.


I heard something, many years ago, that said only the pilots knew it was a suicide mission, and the rest of them thought it was a typical hijacking where you demand money.  And the report suggested that Bin Laden was laughing over their gullibility.  But this was back in 2001 or 2002, when a lot of misinformation was floating around.
 
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