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2014-03-28 07:44:41 PM  
Is anything Dinesh D'Souza does even in a parallel universe that's remotely close to good?
 
2014-03-28 07:51:25 PM  
What ever became of his campaign finance shenanigans?
 
2014-03-28 07:59:00 PM  
Putin...leader of the free world....ha ha ha ha

"Conservatives" sure do love Pooty
 
2014-03-28 08:35:17 PM  

fusillade762: What ever became of his campaign finance shenanigans?


Seeing as how his indictment was handed down less than three months ago, perhaps it's waiting to be scheduled for trial?
 
2014-03-28 08:36:05 PM  
Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?
 
2014-03-28 08:39:45 PM  
It was equally as entertaining as the original
 
2014-03-28 08:42:40 PM  
I had to stop less than two minutes in as it was clear this guy was just trying to sell his sh*tty movies.
 
2014-03-28 08:58:58 PM  
Who?
 
2014-03-28 09:30:27 PM  

mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


chuckyg.com

Of course that sort of assumes that those 60s spy films were spoofs of earlier, Cold War movies.
 
2014-03-28 09:36:32 PM  
Gods that was too awful. I couldn't make it more than two minutes.
 
2014-03-28 09:45:19 PM  

Prey4reign: fusillade762: What ever became of his campaign finance shenanigans?

Seeing as how his indictment was handed down less than three months ago, perhaps it's waiting to be scheduled for trial?


I thought people under indictment usually tried to keep a low profile.
 
2014-03-28 09:46:20 PM  
Dear Right Wing People:

I just wanted you to know that we will laugh with you, we will always be laughing AT you.  You, and you need to understand this, are not funny.  You will never BE funny.  I'm sorry, I know you THINK you are funny, but...you're not.

Sincerely;
Everyone that ever existed.
 
2014-03-28 09:50:40 PM  

mrshowrules: Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


Well, Scream was a parody of horror movies, and Scary Movie was a parody of that.  So I guess that's technically one.
 
2014-03-28 10:07:38 PM  
Dinesh?

Cruz? Jindal? Nugent?

Can't Conservatives offer up one real American?
 
2014-03-28 10:13:25 PM  

mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


Maybe.  If you count poeslaw as a parody.
 
2014-03-28 10:19:50 PM  

Somacandra: Prey4reign: fusillade762: What ever became of his campaign finance shenanigans?

Seeing as how his indictment was handed down less than three months ago, perhaps it's waiting to be scheduled for trial?

I thought people under indictment usually tried to keep a low profile.


Sure, if they're smart.
 
2014-03-28 10:25:46 PM  

fusillade762: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?



Of course that sort of assumes that those 60s spy films were spoofs of earlier, Cold War movies.


"In Like Flint" and "Our Man Flint" were parodies, I'd say.
 
2014-03-28 10:37:34 PM  
I saw a prescription today for 90 enemas. One per day for 90 days. This video reminded me of that.
 
2014-03-28 10:38:17 PM  

mrshowrules: Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-28 10:45:59 PM  

doyner: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

Maybe.  If you count poeslaw as a parody.


That's the best thing I ever saw.
 
2014-03-28 10:53:38 PM  
If you only judge conservative humor against itself, like a t-ball league of humor, this would rank near the top. Not as funny as when Breitbart died but that's a hard act to follow.
 
2014-03-28 11:04:27 PM  
That was honestly much better than expected.
 
2014-03-28 11:09:50 PM  
Dinesh D'Souza needs to give it a rest. He's just pathetic.
 
2014-03-28 11:14:35 PM  
Reminds me of all those silly 'interview' segments that you would hear on "Morning Zoo" radio programs back in the 80s where are the responses were bits from songs. Hey, congrats Dinesh on repackaging an idea that is at least 30 years old as a shameless plug for your new movie that I'm sure proves that liberals are poopy-heads.

*jerking motion*
 
2014-03-28 11:16:55 PM  

mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


Well Colbert is a pretty successful parody of The O'Reilly Factor.
 
2014-03-28 11:18:08 PM  

DamnYankees: That was honestly much better than expected.


Kinda sad that your expectations are that low
 
2014-03-28 11:18:13 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: It was equally as entertaining as the original


At least Gilifinakis (or whatever) can successfully make amusing facial expressions.
 
2014-03-28 11:25:27 PM  

Jesterling: doyner: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

Maybe.  If you count poeslaw as a parody.

That's the best thing I ever saw.


The first thing under the "Evidence" link/tab:

3/21/2014
Bribes made to Chinese authorities?
-Joe Hoverround


LMAO!!!
 
2014-03-28 11:29:10 PM  

Summoner101: DamnYankees: That was honestly much better than expected.

Kinda sad that your expectations are that low


For a Dinesh D'Souza parody video? Are they supposed to be high?
 
2014-03-28 11:31:58 PM  
I remember when Al Yankovic would do this schtick when he took over MTV/Muchmusic for a day.
 
2014-03-28 11:32:16 PM  
If D'Souza works hard enough, he could be Carrot Top's opening act.
 
2014-03-28 11:34:39 PM  

theknuckler_33: Reminds me of all those silly 'interview' segments that you would hear on "Morning Zoo" radio programs back in the 80s where are the responses were bits from songs. Hey, congrats Dinesh on repackaging an idea that is at least 30 years old as a shameless plug for your new movie that I'm sure proves that liberals are poopy-heads.

*jerking motion*


Oh, it goes back farther than that.

Convention 72

/I bought the single as a 9 year old.
 
2014-03-28 11:38:54 PM  
In which a full grown man attempts to parody a comedy sketch.
 
2014-03-28 11:50:16 PM  
shouldn't he be in jail by now?
 
2014-03-28 11:50:49 PM  

Rann Xerox: If D'Souza works hard enough, he could be Carrot Top's opening act.


Even prop comedians have some standards.
 
2014-03-28 11:57:03 PM  

CPennypacker: shouldn't he be in jail by now?


For what?  It's just an attempt by 0bama to silence him.

/his actual defense
 
2014-03-28 11:58:12 PM  

theknuckler_33: Reminds me of all those silly 'interview' segments that you would hear on "Morning Zoo" radio programs back in the 80s where are the responses were bits from songs.


You're talking about Dickie Goodman, which was long before the 80's.
 
2014-03-28 11:58:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: Rann Xerox: If D'Souza works hard enough, he could be Carrot Top's opening act.

Even prop comedians have some standards.


he'd keep the ferns...
 
2014-03-29 12:00:03 AM  

DoctorCal: theknuckler_33: Reminds me of all those silly 'interview' segments that you would hear on "Morning Zoo" radio programs back in the 80s where are the responses were bits from songs. Hey, congrats Dinesh on repackaging an idea that is at least 30 years old as a shameless plug for your new movie that I'm sure proves that liberals are poopy-heads.

*jerking motion*

Oh, it goes back farther than that.

Convention 72

/I bought the single as a 9 year old.


Yea, I was pretty damned sure those Morning Zoo guys weren't that original. That's why I said 'at least', but I just didn't know specific examples from before my high school days. Thanks for proving my point further!
 
2014-03-29 12:02:39 AM  
Gesundheit.
 
2014-03-29 12:04:24 AM  

sirrerun: theknuckler_33: Reminds me of all those silly 'interview' segments that you would hear on "Morning Zoo" radio programs back in the 80s where are the responses were bits from songs.

You're talking about Dickie Goodman, which was long before the 80's.


I wasn't specifically, but, again, that's why I said "at least". I was only referring to my personal experience with those things which dates to my high school days. Funny to know that Dinesh did a bad job of a 60 year-old technique to plug his movie.

/yes, I'm old
//my lawn, etc.
 
2014-03-29 12:13:33 AM  
Is he intentionally mispronouncing their names, or is he just that stupid?

-Zach Galifianakis is Zach Galifinackiees?
-Vladimir Putin is Vladimir Pewtin?
 
2014-03-29 12:17:34 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Putin...leader of the free world....ha ha ha ha

"Conservatives" sure do love Pooty


Thats because they are authoritarian and only at most marginally conservative.

"Authoritarian" should be said with the same disdain that "liberal" is said by conservatives.
 
2014-03-29 12:19:43 AM  

FnkyTwn: Is he intentionally mispronouncing their names, or is he just that stupid?

-Zach Galifianakis is Zach Galifinackiees?
-Vladimir Putin is Vladimir Pewtin?


Yes.
 
2014-03-29 12:20:44 AM  

DamnYankees: That was honestly much better than expected.


Yeah, I had my brown bag ready, but I only managed some dry heaves.
 
2014-03-29 12:25:05 AM  

theknuckler_33: sirrerun: theknuckler_33: Reminds me of all those silly 'interview' segments that you would hear on "Morning Zoo" radio programs back in the 80s where are the responses were bits from songs.

You're talking about Dickie Goodman, which was long before the 80's.

I wasn't specifically, but, again, that's why I said "at least". I was only referring to my personal experience with those things which dates to my high school days. Funny to know that Dinesh did a bad job of a 60 year-old technique to plug his movie.

/yes, I'm old
//my lawn, etc.


Hahaha. Dickie Goodman. I remember this one well.
 
2014-03-29 12:43:09 AM  

fusillade762: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

[chuckyg.com image 580x852]

Of course that sort of assumes that those 60s spy films were spoofs of earlier, Cold War movies.


The "Flint" films starring James Coburn most definitely were...

"Our Man Flint"
 
2014-03-29 12:45:38 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Putin...leader of the free world....ha ha ha ha

"Conservatives" sure do love Pooty


Of course. Because he supports aristocratic thug capitalism and unabashedly bashes gays. He's openly what they wish they could admit to being.
 
2014-03-29 12:57:43 AM  
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2014-03-29 01:11:12 AM  
The problem with conservative humor is that instead of focusing on making conservatives laugh the way liberals laugh at their humor, they focus on trying to make liberals feel the way conservatives feel about liberal humor.  So it ends up awkward and generally terrible.
 
2014-03-29 01:15:31 AM  

balki1867: The problem with conservative humor is that instead of focusing on making conservatives laugh the way liberals laugh at their humor, they focus on trying to make liberals feel the way conservatives feel about liberal humor.  So it ends up awkward and generally terrible.


Or maybe it's that true humor makes one feel personally uncomfortable in some way.  "Conservative humor" merely elicits bemusement.
 
2014-03-29 01:20:11 AM  
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/2tdkm8/dinesh-d-souza

This is the only interview of D'Souza that you will ever need to watch.
 
2014-03-29 01:22:56 AM  

balki1867: The problem with conservative humor...


You sound like my mom.

doyner: "Conservative humor" merely elicits bemusement.


You sound like my dad.
 
2014-03-29 01:24:04 AM  
I doubt I'll be watching this, but I'm surprised the Evil Republican Brigade isn't in here telling us all how hilarious it is.
 
2014-03-29 01:24:47 AM  
Of all the pictures of Putin he could have used, why one with him shirtless, riding a horse? Is there even one heterosexual Republican male left in America, or have they all gone gay for Putin? Seems like damn near every conservative male in this country jerks off to leathermanesque fantasies of Putin making them all his little ponies.
 
2014-03-29 01:27:12 AM  

sugardave: I doubt I'll be watching this, but I'm surprised the Evil Republican Brigade isn't in here telling us all how hilarious it is.


They all suffered massive strokes trying to convince themselves that it was actually funny.
 
2014-03-29 01:41:28 AM  
Some dare call it sedition.
 
2014-03-29 01:54:37 AM  
Is there a word for when someone is such an embarrassing asshole that they can't even realize it so you just have to feel like an asshole for them? Because that's what I'm feeling right now.
 
2014-03-29 02:09:59 AM  

Serious Black: Is anything Dinesh D'Souza does even in a parallel universe that's remotely close to good?


4.bp.blogspot.com
There's nothing good about what you do or who you are.
 
2014-03-29 02:17:46 AM  
Dear lord, that is one unattractive man.
 
2014-03-29 02:44:49 AM  
Conservative humor usually involves having the punchline being beaten into the back of your skull. Nuance isn't strong with them.
 
2014-03-29 02:51:00 AM  

LectertheChef: Of all the pictures of Putin he could have used, why one with him shirtless, riding a horse? Is there even one heterosexual Republican male left in America, or have they all gone gay for Putin? Seems like damn near every conservative male in this country jerks off to leathermanesque fantasies of Putin making them all his little ponies.


Is porn still a viable business? A gay porn with a Putin Look-alike could be pedaled to the Republican boys club. Make some money selling it. Make more money threatening to tell.
 
2014-03-29 03:10:44 AM  
When I read it was bad, I didn't expect this horrible.
 
2014-03-29 03:24:11 AM  

mr intrepid: LectertheChef: Of all the pictures of Putin he could have used, why one with him shirtless, riding a horse? Is there even one heterosexual Republican male left in America, or have they all gone gay for Putin? Seems like damn near every conservative male in this country jerks off to leathermanesque fantasies of Putin making them all his little ponies.

Is porn still a viable business? A gay porn with a Putin Look-alike could be pedaled to the Republican boys club. Make some money selling it. Make more money threatening to tell.


Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Ferns?
 
2014-03-29 03:40:30 AM  

mrshowrules: Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-29 03:43:37 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Dinesh D'Souza needs to give it a rest. He's just pathetic.


As far as I can tell, he aspires to be the Al Sharpton of the Right.
 
2014-03-29 03:48:23 AM  

mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?


Scream and scary movie? I can barely remember which one had Doofy. I always want to say scary movie because how the fark could a real movie have that? But isn't it scream?
 
2014-03-29 04:04:57 AM  

fusillade762: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

[chuckyg.com image 580x852]

Of course that sort of assumes that those 60s spy films were spoofs of earlier, Cold War movies.


So the answer is "no", then?
 
2014-03-29 04:28:29 AM  

Conservative Humor: balki1867: The problem with conservative humor...

You sound like my mom.

doyner: "Conservative humor" merely elicits bemusement.

You sound like my dad.


How nice of you to show up.
 
2014-03-29 05:02:28 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Putin...leader of the free world....ha ha ha ha

"Conservatives" sure do love Pooty


I swear, they seem to be lining up to suck on his moobs.
 
2014-03-29 05:14:15 AM  

StinkyFiddlewinks: Conservative humor usually involves having the punchline being beaten into the back of your skull. Nuance isn't strong with them.


To be fair, it must have took a lot of restraint for Dinesh to keep from screaming "OBAMA IS A POOPYHEAD!" over and over again.
 
2014-03-29 05:23:58 AM  
When I want a good laugh from Dinesh D'Souza, I'll watch those debate videos with Hitch tearing him a new one.
 
2014-03-29 06:46:20 AM  

djkutch: Dinesh?

Cruz? Jindal? Nugent?

Can't Conservatives offer up one real American?


I wonder if these guys sit around and say things like, I don't understand why we can't attract minorities--just look at us--we are minorities and we LOVE the Republican Party.
 
2014-03-29 07:41:22 AM  
Just as bad as I expect? That was even worse than I expected. Parody is hard enough for real comedians. Consider how many terrible ____ Movie clones there are for every one Top Secret! or Airplane. But trying to parody a parody, and by a partisan political hack no less. Absolutely terrible.
 
2014-03-29 08:08:12 AM  

MAC3: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/2tdkm8/dinesh-d-souza

This is the only interview of D'Souza that you will ever need to watch.


That was so great.

The Truckasaurus clip had me crying.
 
2014-03-29 08:11:42 AM  
Wasn't Dinesh D'Souza indicted on Federal money laundering or illegal campaign contributions or something?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/01/dinesh-dsouza-indicted-f or -campaign-finance-fraud-181784.html

Oh.
 
2014-03-29 08:14:11 AM  
 
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2014-03-29 08:23:52 AM  
You guys crack me up.

 
2014-03-29 09:00:34 AM  
What kind of name is Dinesh D'Souza?  It sounds foreign.
 
2014-03-29 09:04:46 AM  
He's rather camp.
 
2014-03-29 09:44:14 AM  
Well...at least they are consistent.  They use the logic of an eight year old to determine policies.
 
2014-03-29 09:48:26 AM  
Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.
 
2014-03-29 09:51:09 AM  

balki1867: The problem with conservative humor is that instead of trying to make conservatives laugh the way liberals laugh at their humor, they try to make liberals feel the way conservatives feel about liberal humor.


Shrewd observation.  Like most conservative behavior, the goal is not to reward oneself, but to punish others.

I really hope that conservatives try to rebut the Colbert Asian joke nontroversy.  I'm sure the failed satire and further exposure of their hatred will provide much hilarity.
 
2014-03-29 10:28:17 AM  

vernonFL: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/nyregion/dinesh-dsouza-is-out-as-ki n gs-college-president-in-scandal.html?_r=0

Here is how much of an asshole Dinesh D'Souza is.


He's an asshole allright, but being in the company of a woman who is not the wife he is in the process of divorcing does not contribute to that.
 
2014-03-29 10:39:05 AM  

Smackledorfer: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

Scream and scary movie? I can barely remember which one had Doofy. I always want to say scary movie because how the fark could a real movie have that? But isn't it scream?


It was Scary Movie.
 
2014-03-29 10:39:41 AM  

Ambivalence: Somacandra: Prey4reign: fusillade762: What ever became of his campaign finance shenanigans?

Seeing as how his indictment was handed down less than three months ago, perhaps it's waiting to be scheduled for trial?

I thought people under indictment usually tried to keep a low profile.

Sure, if they're smart.


I'm going to make a wild guess here that he's trying to promote his Obama movie so he can make some money for his legal defense.

The whole right wing echo chamber is one giant effort of a bunch of people making their livings fleecing the tubes and contrarians - with a few dumb true believers mixed in.
 
2014-03-29 11:14:02 AM  
rubes, dangit, not tubes...
 
2014-03-29 11:55:20 AM  

mongbiohazard: Ambivalence: Somacandra: Prey4reign: fusillade762: What ever became of his campaign finance shenanigans?

Seeing as how his indictment was handed down less than three months ago, perhaps it's waiting to be scheduled for trial?

I thought people under indictment usually tried to keep a low profile.

Sure, if they're smart.

I'm going to make a wild guess here that he's trying to promote his Obama movie so he can make some money for his legal defense.

The whole right wing echo chamber is one giant effort of a bunch of people making their livings fleecing the tubes and contrarians - with a few dumb true believers mixed in.


You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

That's what the true believers are.
 
2014-03-29 11:57:00 AM  
It seems like every three months or so Conservatives put something out there to try and be funny and it just flops.  Miserably.  Even with Dennis Miller largely switching sides the landscape is just impossible for Conservative humor to be created without it coming off as cruel.  Largely I think this is because the first core issue is the inability to make fun of themselves; Liberal humor starts from the supposition that "were kinda messed up....but not as messed up as they are!" and it works.  Conservative humor starts and ends with "They're wrong and were right.  If you listened to us and did what we say things would be alot better.  End of discussion."

But hey, they've got that Minority Outreach initiative going gangbusters for them, eh?
 
2014-03-29 12:15:59 PM  

Rann Xerox: If D'Souza works hard enough, he could be Carrot Top's Greg Gutfield'sor Eric Gollub'sopening act.


Birds of an unfunny feather, and all that.
 
2014-03-29 12:23:05 PM  

DamnYankees: That was honestly much better than expected.


I chalk it up to 'enhanced results through diminished expectations'. But yeah, just kinda lame not god awful.

/that's what she said!
 
2014-03-29 12:33:54 PM  

tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.


Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.
 
2014-03-29 12:36:01 PM  

mr intrepid: LectertheChef: Of all the pictures of Putin he could have used, why one with him shirtless, riding a horse? Is there even one heterosexual Republican male left in America, or have they all gone gay for Putin? Seems like damn near every conservative male in this country jerks off to leathermanesque fantasies of Putin making them all his little ponies.

Is porn still a viable business? A gay porn with a Putin Look-alike could be pedaled to the Republican boys club. Make some money selling it. Make more money threatening to tell.


Dude. If you could get a Putin look a like banging that Sarah palin look a like porn star. That'd be cash money!

Oh, who am I kidding. GOP porn buyers are only gonna spend money on gay stuff. NTTAWWT.
 
2014-03-29 12:36:08 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.


Heroes, really, amirite?
 
2014-03-29 12:37:53 PM  
watching this video felt like finding out you're having twins halfway through the abortion
 
2014-03-29 12:45:04 PM  

theteacher: djkutch: Dinesh?

Cruz? Jindal? Nugent?

Can't Conservatives offer up one real American?

I wonder if these guys sit around and say things like, I don't understand why we can't attract minorities--just look at us--we are minorities and we LOVE the Republican Party.


This has the makings for a bad The State sketch. But I repeat myself.
 
2014-03-29 12:49:08 PM  

sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.

Heroes, really, amirite?


One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Both fight for what they believe in. The difference is how we view their beliefs. I view religion as a stupid relic of our ignorance while developing the knowledge of our species, so killing in god's name is pretty retarded.


America is the big guy. The ONLY way to fight us is to fight dirty. Therefore it is illogical to say all those fighting us are terrorists because of cheap tactics.
 
2014-03-29 12:55:03 PM  

sugardave: Heroes, really, amirite?


Heroes and cowards are entirely different things.

You can be a total scumbag and not be a coward.

Are you arguing that they were scared to kill themselves?
 
2014-03-29 12:57:23 PM  

Smackledorfer: sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.

Heroes, really, amirite?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Both fight for what they believe in. The difference is how we view their beliefs. I view religion as a stupid relic of our ignorance while developing the knowledge of our species, so killing in god's name is pretty retarded.


America is the big guy. The ONLY way to fight us is to fight dirty. Therefore it is illogical to say all those fighting us are terrorists because of cheap tactics.


Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.
 
2014-03-29 12:59:22 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Heroes, really, amirite?

Heroes and cowards are entirely different things.

You can be a total scumbag and not be a coward.

Are you arguing that they were scared to kill themselves?


Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.
 
2014-03-29 01:10:14 PM  
He's an Uncle Habib.
 
2014-03-29 01:12:18 PM  

sugardave: Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.


I'm curious how you draw the line between terrorism and the normal course of warfare. Collateral damage is inevitable and even sometimes (as in the case of strategic bombing) the whole point. Does that make the United States Air Force a terrorist organization?
 
2014-03-29 01:43:01 PM  

sugardave: Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.


It's been well over a decade and this is the first time I've heard someone claim that the 9/11 hijackers may have been coerced into taking part of the attacks.

Do you have some sort of magic devised information that the rest of the world is lacking?
 
2014-03-29 01:57:22 PM  

DeArmondVI: fusillade762: mrshowrules: Even talented comedians are not dumb enough to try and parody a parody.  A conservative doing is obviously going to be a train wreck.

Has a parody ever successfully parodied a parody?

Of course that sort of assumes that those 60s spy films were spoofs of earlier, Cold War movies.

"In Like Flint" and "Our Man Flint" were parodies, I'd say.


I think the Flint series were put in to see what would happen. If the audience liked it as real spy action, then they would move on it that direction. If the audience received it as parodies, then they'll move in that direction. They were a bit over the top, but then, after watching some of the lesser known Bond films, I'm thinking, "Really? They really have someone screaming out, 'Thirty Seconds until touchdown... Twenty-nine seconds until...', while the subterranean lair is blowing apart?"
 
2014-03-29 02:15:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.

It's been well over a decade and this is the first time I've heard someone claim that the 9/11 hijackers may have been coerced into taking part of the attacks.

Do you have some sort of magic devised information that the rest of the world is lacking?


Nope, I just don't like absolutes in the face of not being able to interrogate the perpetrators.
 
2014-03-29 02:16:29 PM  

BMulligan: sugardave: Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.

I'm curious how you draw the line between terrorism and the normal course of warfare. Collateral damage is inevitable and even sometimes (as in the case of strategic bombing) the whole point. Does that make the United States Air Force a terrorist organization?


Mea culpa, let me add "deliberately as part of your strategy, taking the lives of innocents..."
 
2014-03-29 02:42:15 PM  

sugardave: Mea culpa, let me add "deliberately as part of your strategy, taking the lives of innocents..."


Wait, deliberately?

I thought you said the 9/11 hijackers were forced into taking part.
 
2014-03-29 02:46:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Mea culpa, let me add "deliberately as part of your strategy, taking the lives of innocents..."

Wait, deliberately?

I thought you said the 9/11 hijackers were forced into taking part.


Two different conversations, and no I didn't say that....I don't know either way, and neither do you.
 
2014-03-29 02:47:22 PM  

sugardave: Smackledorfer: sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.

Heroes, really, amirite?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Both fight for what they believe in. The difference is how we view their beliefs. I view religion as a stupid relic of our ignorance while developing the knowledge of our species, so killing in god's name is pretty retarded.


America is the big guy. The ONLY way to fight us is to fight dirty. Therefore it is illogical to say all those fighting us are terrorists because of cheap tactics.

Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.


Who is innocent?

Hypothetically let us say hitler won WWII.  Should the populace of Germany sit back and do nothing while benefiting from his evil tyranny be called innocent? 

Because that is essentially what the misguided views of fundamentalists are: there are the people doing the deeds, and the people who knowingly go along along for the ride and contribute to the evil system as complicit actors.
 
2014-03-29 02:49:02 PM  

sugardave: Nope, I just don't like absolutes in the face of not being able to interrogate the perpetrators.


Funny, because you sure seem to like absolutes elsewhere.
 
2014-03-29 02:50:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: sugardave: Smackledorfer: sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: tripleseven: Ah yes. Dinesh dsouza. The man who made the original comment about the 9/11 terrorists not being cowards on bill Maher's show. Dsouza is a right wing darling, and Maher lost his show.Interesting.If you can find it, about a year ago Maher had him back on his new show and basically humiliated him.

Well, they weren't cowards.  They were insane murdering assholes, but I really don't think you can label them as cowards.

Heroes, really, amirite?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Both fight for what they believe in. The difference is how we view their beliefs. I view religion as a stupid relic of our ignorance while developing the knowledge of our species, so killing in god's name is pretty retarded.


America is the big guy. The ONLY way to fight us is to fight dirty. Therefore it is illogical to say all those fighting us are terrorists because of cheap tactics.

Wow.  I think it's perfectly acceptable to label them terrorists as taking the lives of innocents is not a thing you should do....no matter what freedom you think you're fighting for.

Who is innocent?

Hypothetically let us say hitler won WWII.  Should the populace of Germany sit back and do nothing while benefiting from his evil tyranny be called innocent? 

Because that is essentially what the misguided views of fundamentalists are: there are the people doing the deeds, and the people who knowingly go along along for the ride and contribute to the evil system as complicit actors.


Well, I'd think that most of the passengers on the planes and the people in the towers were innocent.  What do you think they are guilty of?
 
2014-03-29 02:52:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I saw a prescription today for 90 enemas. One per day for 90 days. This video reminded me of that.


Damn, that's some back-up!
Kinda reminds me of DD'S. Hard to flush this fu(ker from the system.
 
2014-03-29 02:53:34 PM  

sugardave: Two different conversations, and no I didn't say that....I don't know either way, and neither do you.


So you do, or do not, have evidence that contradicts all the investigations into the 9/11 attacks?
 
2014-03-29 02:54:46 PM  

Smackledorfer: Should the populace of Germany sit back and do nothing while benefiting from his evil tyranny be called innocent?


I mangled that sentence.

Should the populace of Germany who sits back and does nothing while benefiting from his tyranny be considered innocent?

This some gray area stuff. I'm not in any way supporting islamic terrorists.  I am saying it is possible for someone to act heroically for their cause while supporting a really stupid cause. This is true for everything from Islamists to people who die fighting the drug war.

Look at how the U.S. defines terrorism:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definiti on

You will see that most of those can be applied to almost any fighting by an occupied people against the occupier.  Even in the most extreme example of killing civilians, we can easily see how a force that thought it was on the right side of of war could justify killing the financial supporters and economic infrastructure of their enemy.
 
2014-03-29 02:55:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Two different conversations, and no I didn't say that....I don't know either way, and neither do you.

So you do, or do not, have evidence that contradicts all the investigations into the 9/11 attacks?


Holy shiat I just said "no."  But, tell me, can you be 100% certain that they weren't coerced in some fashion?  Did you ask them?  Because, if you did, you should take that seance circuit on the road.

Peace.
 
2014-03-29 02:59:35 PM  

sugardave: Holy shiat I just said "no." But, tell me, can you be 100% certain that they weren't coerced in some fashion? Did you ask them? Because, if you did, you should take that seance circuit on the road.


Yes, your skeptic / just asking questions act is adorable.
 
2014-03-29 02:59:59 PM  

sugardave: Well, I'd think that most of the passengers on the planes and the people in the towers were innocent.  What do you think they are guilty of?


Supporting the government of the United States which perpetrates the perceived world-wide assault on Islam in the eyes of the fundamentalists.  To them, we are the aggressor.  To them, they are doing anything they can to fight back against us and liberate themselves from our tyranny. Now, with that in mind, it would be absurd to require them to somehow "fight fair".  If a guy five times my size starts a fight with me, he doesn't get to set the rules, and you can bet I'm gonna gouge an eye, clap his ears, and kick his balls if I get the chance.  Probably bite too.

You really seem stuck on this concept of different sides having different points of view.  Is it that you aren't intelligent enough to consider things from their (in my opinion wrong) point of view, or do you simply feel backed into a corner by your earlier statements and are doubling down?
 
2014-03-29 03:01:02 PM  
Actually, I feel bad for anyone who appears to be intelligent and articulate spouting conservative rhetoric.

Conservatism is dead. The only reason it is still being taken seriously is because it is an outlet for rich white men and self-hating people of color to wield power.
 
2014-03-29 03:01:56 PM  

MAC3: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/2tdkm8/dinesh-d-souza

This is the only interview of D'Souza that you will ever need to watch.


Thanks. I'd forgotten that. So great.

'Why do gays like maggots?'
 
2014-03-29 03:03:00 PM  

sugardave: But, tell me, can you be 100% certain that they weren't coerced in some fashion?


If coercion is offering them money and then after they commit to take action threatening retribution if they try to back out, then our military is coerced as well. Desperate poor people with no hope for success in life sign up for the only decent paying job that will accept them and offer them a college education.

And fwiw, when you are reduced to saying "x happened" and then backing it off into "can you prove 100% it didn't" you have a pretty poor grasp on rational argument. That is right up there with the creationist test where the question was "what do you say to someone who doesn't believe god created the world in 7 days" and the answer was "were you there??, how do you know?"
 
2014-03-29 03:23:01 PM  

sugardave: Well, I'd think that most of the passengers on the planes and the people in the towers were innocent.  What do you think they are guilty of?


How would you know?

Were you there?

Did you talk to any of these "victims" ?
 
2014-03-29 04:22:01 PM  

whidbey: Actually, I feel bad for anyone who appears to be intelligent and articulate spouting conservative rhetoric.

Conservatism is dead. The only reason it is still being taken seriously is because it is an outlet for rich white men and self-hating people of color to wield power.


D'Souza commented in 2012:
"Even some people in the conservative press are scared of Obama. Take the Wall Street Editorial page, they have not touched the thesis of this film. They're scared of Obama.Why are they scared of Obama? Because if they hear the word, "anticolonialism," this is what they think: black, black, black. They feel that if they touch it, they will be bombarded with racial attack. As you saw in the film, we were careful to defuse that. Nevertheless there are conservatives that are nervous about it. I forge ahead. I mean I have a little bit of ethnic immunity and I intend to use it to the hilt but for a good cause.

http://www.newszillaonline.com/news-opinion/dsouza-flashback-obamas- vi ews-his-critics-as-the-bad-guys/

/It's not playing the race card when HE does it. . .
 
2014-03-29 04:43:46 PM  

HighOnCraic: whidbey: Actually, I feel bad for anyone who appears to be intelligent and articulate spouting conservative rhetoric.

Conservatism is dead. The only reason it is still being taken seriously is because it is an outlet for rich white men and self-hating people of color to wield power.

D'Souza commented in 2012:
"Even some people in the conservative press are scared of Obama. Take the Wall Street Editorial page, they have not touched the thesis of this film. They're scared of Obama.Why are they scared of Obama? Because if they hear the word, "anticolonialism," this is what they think: black, black, black. They feel that if they touch it, they will be bombarded with racial attack. As you saw in the film, we were careful to defuse that. Nevertheless there are conservatives that are nervous about it. I forge ahead. I mean I have a little bit of ethnic immunity and I intend to use it to the hilt but for a good cause.

http://www.newszillaonline.com/news-opinion/dsouza-flashback-obamas- vi ews-his-critics-as-the-bad-guys/

/It's not playing the race card when HE does it. . .


Seriously. Self-hating people of color are the most WTF. Do they think they're going to be let into the Good Ol' Boys Club or something if they keep carrying their water?
 
2014-03-29 06:21:18 PM  
Has comedy ever been parodied successfully?  It's redundant.
 
2014-03-30 05:21:34 AM  

sugardave: Satanic_Hamster: sugardave: Heroes, really, amirite?

Heroes and cowards are entirely different things.

You can be a total scumbag and not be a coward.

Are you arguing that they were scared to kill themselves?

Of course there have never been any instances where suicide bombers were coerced into the job, so there is no way they could have been scared.


I heard something, many years ago, that said only the pilots knew it was a suicide mission, and the rest of them thought it was a typical hijacking where you demand money.  And the report suggested that Bin Laden was laughing over their gullibility.  But this was back in 2001 or 2002, when a lot of misinformation was floating around.
 
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