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(Huffington Post)   GOP Governors want online gambling banned because it takes money away from Sheldon Adelson's casinos. No, really   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 110
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2014-03-28 11:00:12 AM
Most of those online deals are run off shore.

Why do you hate American (and Native American) jobs?
 
2014-03-28 11:04:16 AM
Casinos are not the most pure form of evil, but they're close.
 
2014-03-28 11:08:14 AM
Virtually every politician from Nevada (including Harry Reid) is against online gambling, too. Seems like all these folks know which side their bread is buttered on.
 
2014-03-28 11:13:48 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Casinos are not the most pure form of evil, but they're close.


Not even close. No one walks into a casino without knowing EXACTLY what's going on. A payday lender, a title loan, Sallie Mae, a loan shark, these guys are bad.  Casinos tell you upfront that you're getting screwed.
 
2014-03-28 11:17:45 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Casinos are not the most pure form of evil, but they're close.


They got nothing on Congress
 
2014-03-28 11:43:37 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: They got nothing on Congress


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2014-03-28 11:53:28 AM

Nabb1: Virtually every politician from Nevada (including Harry Reid) is against online gambling, too. Seems like all these folks know which side their bread is buttered on.


The outside!
 
2014-03-28 12:00:19 PM

what_now: Marcus Aurelius: Casinos are not the most pure form of evil, but they're close.

Not even close. No one walks into a casino without knowing EXACTLY what's going on. A payday lender, a title loan, Sallie Mae, a loan shark, these guys are bad.  Casinos tell you upfront that you're getting screwed.


Casino's may ... but state run lotteries don't broadcast it.

That's the purest form of hypocrisy to come out of South Carolina in the last decade or so.

"Video poker machines are a bane upon society, we must outlaw them!"
"Cool, now that we've done that, how about we set up a state lottery?"
"OH OH - and we'll say the proceeds will be spend on education!  But only after we first cut the education budget so it ends up a net loss!"
 
2014-03-28 12:02:15 PM
The NYT article on this was interesting.  Apparently the lobbying group for casinos was actually for expanding online gambling until Adelson threatened to pull out of the group, and since he apparently funds a large portion of their operations, they flipped.
 
2014-03-28 12:05:17 PM
Wikipedia has some nice ECON101 articles, these days:

Barriers to entry
Exclusionary zoning
Rent seeking
Regulatory capture

How well any of these fit it seems easily debatable, of course....
 
2014-03-28 12:18:34 PM
Why does this guy insist on living year after year? You want proof there is no God? There it is.
 
2014-03-28 12:21:53 PM
Casinos give me the heebie-jeebies. I don't even have to see an old woman on a Hoverround with oxygen tubes in her nostrils yanking on the one-armed bandit like a demented automaton for this to happen. The casino usually provides a glimpse of one of those before too long, so it's like a perfect storm of squick.
 
2014-03-28 12:22:08 PM
He must be out governor shopping again.  The states are starting their Spring Sales early.
 
2014-03-28 12:22:26 PM
It's a little thing I like to call "Republican Socialism."
 
2014-03-28 12:23:04 PM
So I'm heading to vegas in a few weeks, what casinos does he own so I know which ones not to patron?
 
2014-03-28 12:23:39 PM
There is no excuse (other than being owned by rich donors) for GOP politicians to continue to support an online gambling ban.  It's (a) a massive government regulation, reflecting a larger rather than smaller government, (b) it definitely injects government into our personal lives, (c) it would create jobs, and (b) it would generate a ton of revenue to decrease the deficit.

I only really care about online poker, but the argument is the same.
 
2014-03-28 12:24:16 PM

suebhoney: So I'm heading to vegas in a few weeks, what casinos does he own so I know which ones not to patron?


Venetian for sure.  There may be more.
 
2014-03-28 12:25:22 PM

yequalsy: It's a little thing I like to call "Republican Socialism."


that would be socialization of risk, privatization of profit
 
2014-03-28 12:26:25 PM
The party of "personal responsibility" indeed.
 
2014-03-28 12:26:41 PM

Karac: Casino's may ... but state run lotteries don't broadcast it.

That's the purest form of hypocrisy to come out of South Carolina in the last decade or so.

"Video poker machines are a bane upon society, we must outlaw them!"
"Cool, now that we've done that, how about we set up a state lottery?"
"OH OH - and we'll say the proceeds will be spend on education!  But only after we first cut the education budget so it ends up a net loss!"


As an SC native, yeah, that was pretty much the discussion I remember.  And it's the nice perpetuating cycle--if the money actually went to education, people would learn not to play the lottery.

"Play The Lottery:  It's a tax on people who can't do math!"

A good friend of mine, a smart guy, periodically plays.  I asked him why, and he said "I get a brief thrill for a few bucks and I'm not so poor I can't afford to lose.  Sometimes I also get money," which is about the only defense I can understand.
 
2014-03-28 12:27:02 PM

theorellior: Casinos give me the heebie-jeebies. I don't even have to see an old woman on a Hoverround with oxygen tubes in her nostrils yanking on the one-armed bandit like a demented automaton for this to happen. The casino usually provides a glimpse of one of those before too long, so it's like a perfect storm of squick.


As casinos operations are heavily taxed, just think of this as the older people voluntarily paying their inheritance tax early.
 
2014-03-28 12:27:28 PM
Free market republicans hate competition.
 
2014-03-28 12:29:19 PM

Trivia Jockey: suebhoney: So I'm heading to vegas in a few weeks, what casinos does he own so I know which ones not to patron?

Venetian for sure.  There may be more.


That's the only one I seemed to find in his Wiki too.

This isn't my first trip to sin city and the venetian is a gorgeous hotel, but I think the most I'll do is wander as the person I'm going with may want to see the inside.  Won't be spending .01 there though :)
 
2014-03-28 12:29:28 PM
I only like casinos in developing nations because you can play 3 dollar a hand black jack.
 
2014-03-28 12:29:44 PM

what_now: Marcus Aurelius: Casinos are not the most pure form of evil, but they're close.

Not even close. No one walks into a casino without knowing EXACTLY what's going on. A payday lender, a title loan, Sallie Mae, a loan shark, these guys are bad.  Casinos tell you upfront that you're getting screwed.


Oh, I don't know about that. Some people have inflated senses of their own "skill", or poor understanding of probability (Gambler's Fallacy and such). Of course this applies to online as well as brick-and-mortar casinos.

Do some casinos have cut-offs where if you lose x amount of money in t amount of time, they make you stop gambling? (Maybe some regulation from the Nevada Gaming Commission or something?)
 
2014-03-28 12:30:03 PM

palelizard: A good friend of mine, a smart guy, periodically plays. I asked him why, and he said "I get a brief thrill for a few bucks and I'm not so poor I can't afford to lose. Sometimes I also get money," which is about the only defense I can understand.


Yeah, sometimes you just want to toss a coin at Lady Luck and see if she'll shimmy for you.
 
2014-03-28 12:31:23 PM
So wait, republicans are AGAINST free market capitalism now?  I'm so confused.
 
2014-03-28 12:31:32 PM
Casinos are boring as shiat and people never look like they are having fun.
 
2014-03-28 12:33:04 PM
Why would subby think we find that surprising?
 
2014-03-28 12:33:10 PM
More evidence that the GOP doesn't give 2 shiats about their principles when those principle threaten their owners
 
2014-03-28 12:33:27 PM

Arkanaut: what_now: Marcus Aurelius: Casinos are not the most pure form of evil, but they're close.

Not even close. No one walks into a casino without knowing EXACTLY what's going on. A payday lender, a title loan, Sallie Mae, a loan shark, these guys are bad.  Casinos tell you upfront that you're getting screwed.

Oh, I don't know about that. Some people have inflated senses of their own "skill", or poor understanding of probability (Gambler's Fallacy and such). Of course this applies to online as well as brick-and-mortar casinos.

Do some casinos have cut-offs where if you lose x amount of money in t amount of time, they make you stop gambling? (Maybe some regulation from the Nevada Gaming Commission or something?)


Nope.

In fact when you lose a lot they will send you home set up with a fully comped trip for the next time you want to come out.
 
2014-03-28 12:35:58 PM
I wish that old f**cker would die already.
 
2014-03-28 12:36:19 PM

NallTWD: So wait, republicans are AGAINST free market capitalism now?  I'm so confused.


This isn't news. Modern conservatives aren't free market capitalists. They exist only to make sure the already-wealthy get wealthier, by any means possible, including (but not limited to) preventing or eliminating competition, government subsidies and tax breaks.
 
2014-03-28 12:36:34 PM

Jackson Herring: yequalsy: It's a little thing I like to call "Republican Socialism."

that would be socialization of risk, privatization of profit


That's one of their key tenets, yep.
 
2014-03-28 12:36:44 PM
They want to carry casino gambling over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your poker chips in the tube, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
 
2014-03-28 12:36:48 PM

Headso: I only like casinos in developing nations because you can play 3 dollar a hand black jack.


I did not know the Fremont Street Binion's was a developing nation.
 
2014-03-28 12:37:43 PM
"Allowing Internet gaming to invade the homes of every American family, and to be piped into our dens, living rooms, workplaces and even our kids' bedrooms and dorm rooms, is a major decision," they added.
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2014-03-28 12:38:52 PM
Much freedom. Many free markets. Such regulation. Wow
 
2014-03-28 12:39:39 PM

Arkanaut: Do some casinos have cut-offs where if you lose x amount of money in t amount of time, they make you stop gambling? (Maybe some regulation from the Nevada Gaming Commission or something?)


No, but they have signs EVERYWHERE for GA, and if you don't have the cash, they won't take a chit and break your legs later.

Look, laws designed to prohibit gambling, prostitution and drug and alcohol consumption will never work.  We will always bet, smoke, fark and drink. So why not do it in the open where we can make sure you're as safe as you can be in that risky environment?
 
2014-03-28 12:39:40 PM
Why do Republicans hate the free market?
 
2014-03-28 12:39:41 PM

ongbok: In fact when you lose a lot they will send you home set up with a fully comped trip for the next time you want to come out.


I heard they also do that if you win, because they want you to come back and lose it back to them.
 
2014-03-28 12:40:52 PM

wxboy: "Allowing Internet gaming to invade the homes of every American family, and to be piped into our dens, living rooms, workplaces and even our kids' bedrooms and dorm rooms, is a major decision," they added.


The hardcore porn and terrorist instruction manuals are fine though.
 
2014-03-28 12:41:44 PM
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Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.
 
2014-03-28 12:42:51 PM

hammettman: He must be out governor shopping again.  The states are starting their Spring Sales early.


It's gotta sting for Gov. Goodhair not to get the invite to Sheldon's soiree.

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Save a pretzel for the gas jets.

 
2014-03-28 12:43:15 PM

robbiex0r: Why do

small government Republicans hate want to regulate the free market?

FTFY
 
2014-03-28 12:43:35 PM
GOP Governors want online gambling banned because it takes money away from Sheldon Adelson's casinos. Which takes money away from Adelson's contributions to GOP Governors' campaigns.

The circle of life!
 
2014-03-28 12:45:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Most of those online deals are run off shore.

Why do you hate American (and Native American) jobs?


They sure are. The fact that they're somewhere between semi and completely illegal may have something to do with that.
 
2014-03-28 12:49:39 PM
If they ease up on the online poker restrictions I promise to vote Democrat.
 
2014-03-28 12:49:50 PM

Trivia Jockey: Headso: I only like casinos in developing nations because you can play 3 dollar a hand black jack.

I did not know the Fremont Street Binion's was a developing nation.


Hell, in most online gamling sites you can play 0.10 a hand virtual or $1 a hand real (or so they say).

//Here in MD the casino is $25 minimum for blackjack, screw that mess, I simply can't comprehend why its so expensive.
 
2014-03-28 12:50:32 PM

palelizard: A good friend of mine, a smart guy, periodically plays.  I asked him why, and he said "I get a brief thrill for a few bucks and I'm not so poor I can't afford to lose.  Sometimes I also get money," which is about the only defense I can understand.


This. Just think of it as money spent on your entertainment budget. My wife usually spends about $5 a week on lottery/scratchers. I don't see it as too different than when I go play some arcade games.

That being said, I used to work as a cashier at a store that sold lottery, some people do go overboard with it i.e. buy $20-50 of scratchers, and get upset when they lost all their money..wtf do they think is going to happen? I don't blame the lotto for that stupidity though.
 
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