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(Salem News 2)   Housing authority earns judicial smackdown after revoking crazy old man's section 8 voucher because he didn't answer letters while in jail or the psychiatric ward   (salemnews.com) divider line 80
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2014-03-28 10:49:17 AM  
And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.
 
2014-03-28 11:35:11 AM  
I don't think Leonard can hack it anymore
 
2014-03-28 11:35:54 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.


Section 8 is a mess but your statement is inaccurate. I was in Social Services in the late 90's and the early 00's and vouchers were still being given out
 
2014-03-28 11:36:00 AM  
I'm guessing this article is about a different section 8 than the one I'm familiar with:

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2014-03-28 11:39:33 AM  

Gunboat: I'm guessing this article is about a different section 8 than the one I'm familiar with:

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I got two nasty grams from the Selective Service Office saying I had to register for the draft or I would be liable for prosecution. I had registered in 1981 as required when I was almost 17.

The letters arrived at my new address, PSC Box XXX Lackland AFB, TX, while I was in Basic Training.
I sent back the reply card and told them to go fark themselves.
 
2014-03-28 11:39:56 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.


Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.
 
2014-03-28 11:43:25 AM  
This article contains 100% of your daily allowance of WTF?.
 
2014-03-28 11:43:28 AM  

LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.


And what would your solution to this problem be?
 
2014-03-28 11:50:57 AM  

nunyadang: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Section 8 is a mess but your statement is inaccurate. I was in Social Services in the late 90's and the early 00's and vouchers were still being given out


I was a single, homeless mother in the 90s. I was told there was a 10 year waiting list THEN. A few maybe were given out, but 90% held onto the vouchers like gold. You could literally get your teen daughter pregnant, keep her their with the kids in the section 8 home, and keep the voucher for her even if you moved on. And so on and so on. I've seen it, watched other people discuss how to do it. And you are talking to the liberalist libby who ever walked the earth.

Food stamps worked for me, but I could never get housing, daycare, or medical assistance (for me, not my kids). My life and the life of my kids were 10x harder because of it. I did not grow out of this hell hole until my kids were old enough to watch themselves. That's years earlier I could have been a contributing, tax paying, member of society. (BTW, I was divorced, with an absent father who ducked child support.)

/not bitter
//ok, slightly bitter
 
2014-03-28 11:54:52 AM  

LemSkroob: Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.


Excuse me sir, but you've gotten some derp in the herp.
 
2014-03-28 11:58:29 AM  
I was gone for 14 days, could've been gone for more.
 
2014-03-28 12:07:14 PM  

LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.


Um, not so easy to get now...it's not like you inherite all that.

Section 8 currently opens briefly for applications every couple of years now. There are some emergency vouchers for the chronically homeless, if they can get the person together enough thru other srvices.

However, there are some buildings and some social service agencies that do handle subsidized housing thru HUD, other agencies, and private donations.

/does volunteer work in that realm in PA
 
2014-03-28 12:09:24 PM  
Section 8 should be fully funded.

And by fully funded, I mean that anyone eligible should be able to walk into an office, prove eligibility, and walk out with a voucher.  It's inexcusable that we have a homeless population in the wealthiest country on earth.

Cut an aircraft carrier, and we'll be able to afford to eliminate homelessness.
 
2014-03-28 12:12:26 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: nunyadang: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Section 8 is a mess but your statement is inaccurate. I was in Social Services in the late 90's and the early 00's and vouchers were still being given out

I was a single, homeless mother in the 90s. I was told there was a 10 year waiting list THEN. A few maybe were given out, but 90% held onto the vouchers like gold. You could literally get your teen daughter pregnant, keep her their with the kids in the section 8 home, and keep the voucher for her even if you moved on. And so on and so on. I've seen it, watched other people discuss how to do it. And you are talking to the liberalist libby who ever walked the earth.

Food stamps worked for me, but I could never get housing, daycare, or medical assistance (for me, not my kids). My life and the life of my kids were 10x harder because of it. I did not grow out of this hell hole until my kids were old enough to watch themselves. That's years earlier I could have been a contributing, tax paying, member of society. (BTW, I was divorced, with an absent father who ducked child support.)

/not bitter
//ok, slightly bitter


I've been thru a tough time myself once. I'm so glad you did eventually get what you needed. It can be soul crushing trying to navigate thru the maze of offices and paperwork only to come out of it empty-handed.
 
2014-03-28 12:21:59 PM  

DarkVader: Section 8 should be fully funded.

And by fully funded, I mean that anyone eligible should be able to walk into an office, prove eligibility, and walk out with a voucher.  It's inexcusable that we have a homeless population in the wealthiest country on earth.

Cut an aircraft carrier, and we'll be able to afford to eliminate homelessness.


And that's an example of why you're farkied "real n decent".
 
2014-03-28 12:32:05 PM  
Why would he need section 8 housing when he already getting a room and three squares a day?
 
2014-03-28 12:32:52 PM  

special20: LemSkroob: Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

Excuse me sir, but you've gotten some derp in the herp.


I bet he rails about the "death tax", too.
 
2014-03-28 12:35:07 PM  
In others news, I bet his former neighbors had one heck of a party the day the landlord changed the locks.

"The woman told police that Furtick had, in fact, shot her in 1969, and in 1970, he blew up their home, a crime for which Furtick spent seven years in what is now known as MCI Concord...

...But as their relationship again deteriorated, she told police she feared for her life at the hands of Furtick."
 
2014-03-28 12:36:35 PM  

LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.


False. But you're just trolling.

There's a lifetime limit of welfare income of 5 years federally. This has been true ever since Clinton signed the welfare reform act.

That's not to say we don't have a chronic underclass dependent on subsidies, of course we do.

But it's hardly simple to get services and handouts. Especially compared to welfare in other industrialized nations.
 
2014-03-28 12:37:40 PM  

jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?


You get a farking job, and you live in a shiatty apartment that you pay too much for, and you never buy a house because you never can afford one... like the farking rest of us....

I've been inside of a lot of inherited section 8 housing and these people have ebt cards for groceries, flat screen tvs, and brand new cars...

fark that, I have a shiatty tv, an old car and I almost never have money for groceries... because I'm paying for your shiat....

/not fair
/rant over
 
2014-03-28 12:40:13 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.


Dont worry. There are 26 other programs across the Federal Government to fix the problem.
 
2014-03-28 12:41:22 PM  

DarkVader: And by fully funded, I mean that anyone eligible should be able to walk into an office, prove eligibility, and walk out with a voucher.  It's inexcusable that we have a homeless population in the wealthiest country on earth.


Sure, there can be no negative consequences to just handing out what people would normally work towards to just anyone. /sarcasm.

We don't have a homeless population because there aren't economic opportunities. We have a homeless population because we stopped packing crazy people into asylums. If you really want to end homelessness, you could just reopen the asylums and start packing the insane and/or addicted back in there. Hell, your unlimited-free-housing-because-I-put-ideas-ahead-of-real-world-math thing would probably end up creating the same scenario: areas or buildings just filled with the insane. Apartment buildings full of the formally homeless; filth and rape and assaults and murders abound. The police would be there so much we could just start calling them "wardens".

People who can't get with even the most basic function of "acquire shelter" don't need free shelter, they need mental health assistance.
 
2014-03-28 12:42:50 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.


Since the 80s in 2008?
 
2014-03-28 12:43:15 PM  

nunyadang: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Section 8 is a mess but your statement is inaccurate. I was in Social Services in the late 90's and the early 00's and vouchers were still being given out


This

Section 8 is hard to get, but not impossible. It all depends on the region.

Fastest way to get it here? Get on drugs, and get in the court system, or become homeless. Volunteer with the homeless program, and get fast-tracked.

Even as of a couple of years ago, the wait list for san benito county, just south of me, was 4 months. Once you lived there for a year, you could transfer the voucher to my County, where the going rate for a one bedroom is about $1500+a month.
 
2014-03-28 12:44:38 PM  

lindalouwho: social service agencies that do handle subsidized housing thru HUD


HUD will not allow a convicted felon to live in section 8.
They check that, too.
They have EIV, and check withing 90 days of moving in on any income you may not have reported.
They weigh income, assets, and family composition, and will include expenses if you are elderly or handicapped/impaired. If you ever have insomnia, go read the HUD handbook, it's called the 4350.3.
They also print out a VAWA for the tenants to sign at the time of move in.

Granted, this is a case where the guy was probably on a local, or state type of section 8, and not a HUD section 8, so it may not apply to his case.


SecretAgentWoman: It's a joke.

For me, It's a job. But all I do is tech support for softwares that track everything under the sun for property owners and managers. 
I've been doing it since the days of DOS.
 
2014-03-28 12:44:54 PM  

lindalouwho: DarkVader: Section 8 should be fully funded.

And by fully funded, I mean that anyone eligible should be able to walk into an office, prove eligibility, and walk out with a voucher.  It's inexcusable that we have a homeless population in the wealthiest country on earth.

Cut an aircraft carrier, and we'll be able to afford to eliminate homelessness.

And that's an example of why you're farkied "real n decent".


You should add delusional as well. Section 8 is full of corruption.

Here's the deal liberals. GAO puts out a study every uear showing over 5200 Billion in waste, fraud, and duplicate programs. You want more funding? Consolidate, improve, and simplify the programs. Streamline them. Even Campaign Obama touted those goals. The problem is that would mean slightly shrinking various departmental powers in the federal coffers.

You have the money, just work to actually fix the programs. Throwing good money after bad is not a solution.
 
2014-03-28 12:46:31 PM  

o'really: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

False. But you're just trolling.

There's a lifetime limit of welfare income of 5 years federally. This has been true ever since Clinton signed the welfare reform act.

That's not to say we don't have a chronic underclass dependent on subsidies, of course we do.

But it's hardly simple to get services and handouts. Especially compared to welfare in other industrialized nations.


Pssssttttt... look at the near doubling of disability rolls despite better medicine and less dangerous working conditions. Welfare just moved under a different flag.
 
2014-03-28 12:47:54 PM  
FTA: "The woman told police that Furtick had, in fact, shot her in 1969, and in 1970, he blew up their home, a crime for which Furtick spent seven years in what is now known as MCI Concord, according to the police report. At some point after that, Furtick received his housing voucher from the BHA, which allowed him to move to any qualified apartment, whether or not it was in Boston

Furtick's arrest in 2011 came after his wife called police to report that Furtick had warned her during an argument that "I shot you once, and I blew the house up, and the third time will be a charm," according to a police report "

Come on guys.  Which of us hasn't said that to our SO at one point or another.

Let he who is without sin...
 
2014-03-28 12:50:01 PM  

vudukungfu: lindalouwho: social service agencies that do handle subsidized housing thru HUD

HUD will not allow a convicted felon to live in section 8.
They check that, too.
They have EIV, and check withing 90 days of moving in on any income you may not have reported.
They weigh income, assets, and family composition, and will include expenses if you are elderly or handicapped/impaired. If you ever have insomnia, go read the HUD handbook, it's called the 4350.3.
They also print out a VAWA for the tenants to sign at the time of move in.

Granted, this is a case where the guy was probably on a local, or state type of section 8, and not a HUD section 8, so it may not apply to his case.


SecretAgentWoman: It's a joke.
For me, It's a job. But all I do is tech support for softwares that track everything under the sun for property owners and managers. 
I've been doing it since the days of DOS.


Local subsidies are not called section 8. It seems pretty clear fta that he was on the federal sec 8 list, but that's administered by counties.

What is the policy for felonies committed once you already have a voucher? Does that mean they have to kick the man out of housing?

Sounds like the guy in tfa may have committed a felony by assaulting his wife.
 
2014-03-28 12:51:31 PM  
this is an indictment of our mental health system too. no way someone with that list of mental illness's be wandering the streets, bouncing in an out of jail, burdening the social welfare system in the way he is.

but oh yeah, i forgot- it was short term cheaper to cut all the mental health system services and pat ourselves on the back in the 1980's. all of those people left the hospitals and magically reintegrated into society and have not been a burden ever again!
 
2014-03-28 12:55:57 PM  

MyRandomName: o'really: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

False. But you're just trolling.

There's a lifetime limit of welfare income of 5 years federally. This has been true ever since Clinton signed the welfare reform act.

That's not to say we don't have a chronic underclass dependent on subsidies, of course we do.

But it's hardly simple to get services and handouts. Especially compared to welfare in other industrialized nations.

Pssssttttt... look at the near doubling of disability rolls despite better medicine and less dangerous working conditions. Welfare just moved under a different flag.


Oh, I'm quite aware of that.

It's a scam, it creates dependence, and it's something the states actively recruit, to avoid paying welfare.

It's a damn shame. Especially the way states are classifying foster kids as disabled, setting them up for a lifetime of dependence.

Npr did an enlightening program about the mechanisms of it.
 
2014-03-28 12:56:30 PM  
The number of people weighing in on the evils of Section 8 housing while knowing nothing about it is mind blowing...
 
2014-03-28 12:58:29 PM  

pkrzycki: jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?

You get a farking job, and you live in a shiatty apartment that you pay too much for, and you never buy a house because you never can afford one... like the farking rest of us....

I've been inside of a lot of inherited section 8 housing and these people have ebt cards for groceries, flat screen tvs, and brand new cars...

fark that, I have a shiatty tv, an old car and I almost never have money for groceries... because I'm paying for your shiat....

/not fair
/rant over


You're full or it for a few reasons, but one thing about Section 8 - papers have to be signed in-person yearly by the person whose name it's in, showing valid picture ID, so...not "inherited".
 
2014-03-28 01:01:49 PM  

o'really: What is the policy for felonies committed once you already have a voucher?


Like I said, they have to sign a VAWA when they move in stating that violence against women, specifically, not men, is a Bozo Big Top No-No, and they can be evicted for that alone.
Conviction not needed. Just attempting to do it is a violation.
Talking about it is.
It is a up front agreement and there isn't any farking around, they can and will evict.
 
2014-03-28 01:09:42 PM  
Heck, they can kick you out for boozing it up too much.
 
2014-03-28 01:09:42 PM  

That Guy Jeff: DarkVader: And by fully funded, I mean that anyone eligible should be able to walk into an office, prove eligibility, and walk out with a voucher.  It's inexcusable that we have a homeless population in the wealthiest country on earth.

Sure, there can be no negative consequences to just handing out what people would normally work towards to just anyone. /sarcasm.

We don't have a homeless population because there aren't economic opportunities. We have a homeless population because we stopped packing crazy people into asylums. If you really want to end homelessness, you could just reopen the asylums and start packing the insane and/or addicted back in there. Hell, your unlimited-free-housing-because-I-put-ideas-ahead-of-real-world-math thing would probably end up creating the same scenario: areas or buildings just filled with the insane. Apartment buildings full of the formally homeless; filth and rape and assaults and murders abound. The police would be there so much we could just start calling them "wardens".

People who can't get with even the most basic function of "acquire shelter" don't need free shelter, they need mental health assistance.


Funny, a lot of mental health issues clear up or get much less severe when people have a stable, safe place to live.

Also, how do you suggest we get people mental health services when they have no fixed address? We're doing a really fine job now, I can tell you.

You don't know anything about mental health issues or the homeless, you're just pulling crap from your ass to justify the unjustifiable. Rather than doing that, why not just say, "human societies are hierarchical and always have an underclass that everyone hates an shiats on. We have the resources to give them a decent life but human instinct drives us as a society to keep shiatting on them every day."

It's human nature that can't be broken. But let's not pretend we have "good reasons".
 
2014-03-28 01:15:29 PM  

MyRandomName: lindalouwho: DarkVader: Section 8 should be fully funded.

And by fully funded, I mean that anyone eligible should be able to walk into an office, prove eligibility, and walk out with a voucher.  It's inexcusable that we have a homeless population in the wealthiest country on earth.

Cut an aircraft carrier, and we'll be able to afford to eliminate homelessness.

And that's an example of why you're farkied "real n decent".

You should add delusional as well. Section 8 is full of corruption.

Here's the deal liberals. GAO puts out a study every uear showing over 5200 Billion in waste, fraud, and duplicate programs. You want more funding? Consolidate, improve, and simplify the programs. Streamline them. Even Campaign Obama touted those goals. The problem is that would mean slightly shrinking various departmental powers in the federal coffers.

You have the money, just work to actually fix the programs. Throwing good money after bad is not a solution.


Some are fully corrupt, some aren't. For example- Newark, pretty bad. Pgh- not so much.

It's better to not paint with such a broad brush.

And "you have the money"? Yeah, guess who always holds up/nulls sensible, legitamite reform? Hint: it's not libs.
 
2014-03-28 01:17:53 PM  

jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?


Something final.

Seriously though,  this is such a waste of resources.  The guy needs those dollars for serious inpatient treatment, not a low cost apartment.
 
2014-03-28 01:20:28 PM  

pkrzycki: You get a farking job, and you live in a shiatty apartment that you pay too much for, and you never buy a house because you never can afford one... like the farking rest of us....

I've been inside of a lot of inherited section 8 housing and these people have ebt cards for groceries, flat screen tvs, and brand new cars...

fark that, I have a shiatty tv, an old car and I almost never have money for groceries... because I'm paying for your shiat....

/not fair
/rant over


If the life is so good leave your job and live the easy life.  Wait it's not good and there is no way anyone would willing live in the ghetto or in shiatty apartments, collect 500 a month in food stamps, and 200 a month in cash assistance.  You see flat screens because they use their income tax to buy it.  You should be happy that people do this because it lowers the price of TVs had people not use their discreationary money on these items it would mean the prices of those items would be a lot higher.

They have new cars.... some do and they are paying 16% interest for 7-8 years and the cars are probably lowend Kia or Chevy so sub $12k.  Sure everyone wants to pay $200 a month for 8 years for a $12k car.
 
2014-03-28 01:24:31 PM  
Cars don't count. Cash on hand counts.
If someone gifts you a farking rolls royce, you can still live in section 8.
You might be nuts to park it there. But it doesn't count as an asset.
 
2014-03-28 01:26:52 PM  

o'really: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

False. But you're just trolling.

There's a lifetime limit of welfare income of 5 years federally. This has been true ever since Clinton signed the welfare reform act.

That's not to say we don't have a chronic underclass dependent on subsidies, of course we do.

But it's hardly simple to get services and handouts. Especially compared to welfare in other industrialized nations.


False. Absolutely, patently, provably FALSE.

Big business and agriculture have been getting welfare income for literally *decades.*

Big banking too, although that's only been for like six or seven years.
 
2014-03-28 01:29:12 PM  

ChipNASA: I got two nasty grams from the Selective Service Office saying I had to register for the draft or I would be liable for prosecution. I had registered in 1981 as required when I was almost 17.

The letters arrived at my new address, PSC Box XXX Lackland AFB, TX, while I was in Basic Training.
I sent back the reply card and told them to go fark themselves.



Mine was delivered to the Navy ship I was on....several hundreds miles out to sea at the time!

Seriously, why doesn't SSS and the DoD share simple personnel info, such as name and address?
 
2014-03-28 01:29:54 PM  

lindalouwho: pkrzycki: jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?

You get a farking job, and you live in a shiatty apartment that you pay too much for, and you never buy a house because you never can afford one... like the farking rest of us....

I've been inside of a lot of inherited section 8 housing and these people have ebt cards for groceries, flat screen tvs, and brand new cars...

fark that, I have a shiatty tv, an old car and I almost never have money for groceries... because I'm paying for your shiat....

/not fair
/rant over

You're full or it for a few reasons, but one thing about Section 8 - papers have to be signed in-person yearly by the person whose name it's in, showing valid picture ID, so...not "inherited".


Actually you can inherit it.

I have a coworker whose mom died of alcoholism while he was living with her. I think he was about 20 at the time. He has it now. Maybe he was considered her dependent because he was in school?
 
2014-03-28 01:31:40 PM  

IRQ12: jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?

Something final.

Seriously though,  this is such a waste of resources.  The guy needs those dollars for serious inpatient treatment, not a low cost apartment.


But with the present system they'll only keep him 30-90 days, depending on a lot of factors. Dude has to live somewhere when he's released.
 
2014-03-28 01:33:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people weighing in on the evils of Section 8 housing while knowing nothing about it is mind blowing...


Yeah, RandomNumber is bulling through here like a one-person conservative troll.

/my apologies to bulls, who are both more polite and more intelligent
 
2014-03-28 01:33:56 PM  

jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?


Don't keep the (adult) kids on when the parents pass away for starters. Generational grandfathering shouldn't be a thing. Make adults apply for their own voucher when they turn 18 and go to the back of the line.

In one state, my mother (who, granted, is an evil biatch, but she is my mother) who is dying--I mean, we're talking 3 years tops left and that's only because she's a stubborn and miserable human being who wants to prolong everyone else's suffering as long as she possibly can--of cancer that cannot be treated due to the fact that the treatment would kill her cannot get a Section 8 voucher because there are none to get. Meanwhile, some 20 year old kid who got grandfathered in because her mother had one and passed away so she got her mother's (the 20 year old's explanation of the situation) gets Section 8, twice as much in SNAP, and twice as much in other benefits as my mother loves to tell everyone how the state is paying for her apartment, car, cell phone, and everything else she has. And she, like my mother, has no dependents. Unlike my mother, she's not a widow who has worked every farking day of her 67 years since she was old enough but no longer can due to terminal illness.

Generational grandfathering of welfare is farked up. Generational grandfathering of welfare for people who have never worked a day in their lives when people who've worked hard all their lives and can't get help when they need it because these schmucks are taking it all makes me furious. I'd rather welfare went away completely for everyone under 55 (can't take care of your kids? We'll give them to someone who can--eliminates the practice of having up to "x" number of kids to get more welfare money) than watch this crap happen to old people who worked hard all their lives.
 
2014-03-28 01:34:14 PM  

IRQ12: jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?

Something final.

Seriously though,  this is such a waste of resources.  The guy needs those dollars for serious inpatient treatment, not a low cost apartment.


As someone who has worked at an inpatient facility, the only way you will get services is during an acute episode of a mental health breakdown.

The guy in the article sounds like he has mental health issues, but if he's stable enough to go to trial, no way is he going to be held in an inpatient unit that costs 500+$ a day.
 
2014-03-28 01:35:17 PM  

o'really: lindalouwho: pkrzycki: jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?

You get a farking job, and you live in a shiatty apartment that you pay too much for, and you never buy a house because you never can afford one... like the farking rest of us....

I've been inside of a lot of inherited section 8 housing and these people have ebt cards for groceries, flat screen tvs, and brand new cars...

fark that, I have a shiatty tv, an old car and I almost never have money for groceries... because I'm paying for your shiat....

/not fair
/rant over

You're full or it for a few reasons, but one thing about Section 8 - papers have to be signed in-person yearly by the person whose name it's in, showing valid picture ID, so...not "inherited".

Actually you can inherit it.

I have a coworker whose mom died of alcoholism while he was living with her. I think he was about 20 at the time. He has it now. Maybe he was considered her dependent because he was in school?


If he had no assets he may have gotten his own. It can't be inherited. Just stop with that, it's embarrassing.
 
2014-03-28 01:39:54 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: nunyadang: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Section 8 is a mess but your statement is inaccurate. I was in Social Services in the late 90's and the early 00's and vouchers were still being given out

I was a single, homeless mother in the 90s. I was told there was a 10 year waiting list THEN. A few maybe were given out, but 90% held onto the vouchers like gold. You could literally get your teen daughter pregnant, keep her their with the kids in the section 8 home, and keep the voucher for her even if you moved on. And so on and so on. I've seen it, watched other people discuss how to do it. And you are talking to the liberalist libby who ever walked the earth.

Food stamps worked for me, but I could never get housing, daycare, or medical assistance (for me, not my kids). My life and the life of my kids were 10x harder because of it. I did not grow out of this hell hole until my kids were old enough to watch themselves. That's years earlier I could have been a contributing, tax paying, member of society. (BTW, I was divorced, with an absent father who ducked child support.)

/not bitter
//ok, slightly bitter


Yeah? See? Exactly what I mean. People work hard and bust their asses and can't get any damn help because lazy farkers who've never worked a day in their lives are grandfathered in (I've seen it in more than one state, actually).

What I presented was a really harsh solution, but for the welfare abusers who are third, fourth generation welfare... honestly? I can't think of a better one. When a person is cranking out kids to increase their welfare check (and yes, it does happen some places), that should be considered a form of abuse of the system, and it should get a person looked at closely for fraud, if not other things.

People like SecretAgentWoman should be able to get the help they need to get on their feet... but they can't. And that's farking wrong. The system was designed to help people get on their feet, not to be people's sole support for their entire lifetimes and the lifetimes of their children and grandchildren.
 
2014-03-28 01:40:43 PM  

Aigoo: jso2897: LemSkroob: SecretAgentWoman: And the Federal Housing Choice Voucher Program, colloquially known as Section 8, waiting list has been closed entirely since 2008 "due to lack of funding and inability to issue sufficient vouchers to meet the demand."

For all intents and purposes, Section 8 housing assistance does not exist anymore. Only the families that were able to get it in the 80s are still on it, passing it from generation to generation like the rent control apartments in New York.

It's a joke.

Much like any public assistance program (public housing, welfare, food stamps, etc). They have become birthrights instead of temporary help. Multi-generational dependence.

And what would your solution to this problem be?

Don't keep the (adult) kids on when the parents pass away for starters. Generational grandfathering shouldn't be a thing. Make adults apply for their own voucher when they turn 18 and go to the back of the line.

In one state, my mother (who, granted, is an evil biatch, but she is my mother) who is dying--I mean, we're talking 3 years tops left and that's only because she's a stubborn and miserable human being who wants to prolong everyone else's suffering as long as she possibly can--of cancer that cannot be treated due to the fact that the treatment would kill her cannot get a Section 8 voucher because there are none to get. Meanwhile, some 20 year old kid who got grandfathered in because her mother had one and passed away so she got her mother's (the 20 year old's explanation of the situation) gets Section 8, twice as much in SNAP, and twice as much in other benefits as my mother loves to tell everyone how the state is paying for her apartment, car, cell phone, and everything else she has. And she, like my mother, has no dependents. Unlike my mother, she's not a widow who has worked every farking day of her 67 years since she was old enough but no longer can due to terminal illness.

Generational grandfathering of welfare is farked up. Generational grandfathering of welfare for people who have never worked a day in their lives when people who've worked hard all their lives and can't get help when they need it because these schmucks are taking it all makes me furious. I'd rather welfare went away completely for everyone under 55 (can't take care of your kids? We'll give them to someone who can--eliminates the practice of having up to "x" number of kids to get more welfare money) than watch this crap happen to old people who worked hard all their lives.


*facepalm*
 
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