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2014-03-28 05:50:01 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Bf+: DROxINxTHExWIND: By my rankings, this thread just pushed this debate to number 2 on the list of Farker groups that loathe one another:

5. Jews vs Palestinians
4. Bicyclists vs Car drivers
3. Pro-life vs Pro-choice
2. Tailgaters vs Lane cloggers
1. Conservatives vs Liberals

Excellent list.
I'd add:
Conservatives vs Women
Conservatives vs Minorities
Conservatives vs Poors
Conser... aw you get the joke.

But seriously, how about the great toilet paper over/under debate?
(which should be no debate at all.... grrr...)


Debate? Toilet paper should be rolled over for easier access. Anybody who would purposefully put toilet paper on a holder to be rolled under is an asshole who should not be trusted.


Definitely OVER. Rolling it under means you pull out way more than you need just trying to rip it off (it keeps going and you have less control to stop the rolling cylinder). Over, you have much better leverage to stop it where you want it.
 
2014-03-28 05:50:02 PM  

yakmans_dad: Let's just say she was driving with her feet drinking bourbon from a funnel.


Is everything else in the scenario the same, though?
 
2014-03-28 05:52:08 PM  

Witness99: DROxINxTHExWIND: Bf+: DROxINxTHExWIND: By my rankings, this thread just pushed this debate to number 2 on the list of Farker groups that loathe one another:

5. Jews vs Palestinians
4. Bicyclists vs Car drivers
3. Pro-life vs Pro-choice
2. Tailgaters vs Lane cloggers
1. Conservatives vs Liberals

Excellent list.
I'd add:
Conservatives vs Women
Conservatives vs Minorities
Conservatives vs Poors
Conser... aw you get the joke.

But seriously, how about the great toilet paper over/under debate?
(which should be no debate at all.... grrr...)


Debate? Toilet paper should be rolled over for easier access. Anybody who would purposefully put toilet paper on a holder to be rolled under is an asshole who should not be trusted.

Definitely OVER. Rolling it under means you pull out way more than you need just trying to rip it off (it keeps going and you have less control to stop the rolling cylinder). Over, you have much better leverage to stop it where you want it.


Don;t even start. You clearly don't have cats or you wouldn't be so WRONG WRONG WRONG
 
2014-03-28 05:52:10 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: yakmans_dad: Let's just say she was driving with her feet drinking bourbon from a funnel.

Is everything else in the scenario the same, though?


Let me give it more thought. By "same" do you mean "in accordance to the angry voices in my head"?
 
2014-03-28 05:52:40 PM  
I wish we had the sort of education and enforcement of keeping the passing lane clear that they have in Germany and the Netherlands. Everyone's in the right lane, except when they pop out to pass and pop back in, so no matter how fast somebody is trying to go, they never get hung up. It makes for a much more low-stress environment; the slower cars don't have jerks tailgating them, and the faster cars don't have jerks blocking them.

In Holland, unfortunately, you can go only so fast because they have speed cameras enforcing a 100k limit every few miles. But, still, the fact that people are accustomed to using the passing lane to pass means that slower vehicles, like mopeds and scooters, are less likely to have people riding their bumpers.
 
2014-03-28 05:53:29 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Don;t even start. You clearly don't have cats or you wouldn't be so WRONG WRONG WRONG


We can't keep toilet paper on the roller.  It's kept in a drawer, out of claws reach.
 
2014-03-28 05:54:09 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: yakmans_dad: Let's just say she was driving with her feet drinking bourbon from a funnel.

Is everything else in the scenario the same, though?


Well, don't forget to add in his mental illness that leads to involuntary and uncontrollable  fits of rage
 
2014-03-28 05:56:09 PM  

yakmans_dad: IRQ12: Nix Nightbird: I drive all across the state as part of my job, and I have determined the following:

If you aren't on freeway the whole time, continually going 15-20 mph over the speed limit during a 50-mile trip gets you to your destination approximately 2 minutes faster.

Two. Minutes.
...

Check your math.  At 15mph over on a 50 mile trip @55mph zone you are saving ~12 minutes.


Consumer Reports tested how much time is actually saved by speeding v. obeying the law. Over 1000 mile trip, the speeder saved 30 minutes. The real world intrudes.

/Bracing for the deeply sworn testimonials of the he men who know how to drive.


Wired tested the same and the speeder saved 15 hours.   I think you can see where I am going with this.

If they did this test through traffic lights I would say maybe not complete BS.  If it was highyway, no way unless they were just speeding +1mph over the limit. (which I could see them doing to prove their point...just say "see the person who was speeding (only 1mph over) only saved 30 minutes")

@+10mph in a 55mph limit you save almost  3 hours,@+20mph it is almost  5 hours saved.  The occasional light or two for stops isn't going to affect those numbers much.

And before you go off on how unsafe +20 in a 60mph is consider the fact that many highways in the west that were 55-60 are now 70-80mph with zero changes aside from the signs with the new limit.
 
2014-03-28 05:56:12 PM  

Loreweaver: Nutsac_Jim: Loreweaver: Except the "slower traffic keep right" and passing rules you refer to only apply to highways

Perhaps you could enlighten us to the code that says this.

One final word on the subject:

There ARE sections of regular roadways where you DO have to keep right. However, those sections of road are specifically posted with signs, because it is the exception to the general rule. Those sections of road are usually on a steep incline, or along stretches of road where at-grade intersections are spaced more than a mile apart.


...and in some states, those sections of regular roadways include ALL sections of regular roadways that have more than one land traveling in the same direction.

If everyone, everywhere, simply did the right thing and stayed in the right lane unless they were passing someone or about to make a left, the roads would me a much better place and there would be no confusion.
 
2014-03-28 05:57:26 PM  
While we're at it, people, stand on the right on the escalator so people in a hurry can walk. It's not an amusement park ride.
 
2014-03-28 05:57:48 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: 1) She didn't steal his property or violate his rights in any way

2) He's not a dog, he's a human goddamned being, and the law, at least, expects him to act like one


You are missing the point (somewhat willfully, I'd wager). Let's try a different analogy:

Let's say you often find yourself recording the drivers around you who are tailgating you and trying to pass you on the right on your cell phone because it happens so often but you can't seem to figure out why it *always* happens to you. And this one time, while you *certainly* weren't egging the guy on by trying your damnedest to be an annoying little bunt, he flips out and gets into an accident. Are you blameless?
 
2014-03-28 05:58:42 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: It's an easy call for me - the whole issue of her "speeding up after he passed" discussed earlier confuses things, especially since his posture, attitude and actions seem to indicate (to me, at least) that it was actually him slowing down just to make sure she got a good view of his finger and his evil grin so she would know good and well that he was intentionally farking her over when he cut her off like that.


Yah, she may have let up or even touched the gas a little while he was on the right, but the background objects match her pace more consistent than his meaning he's decelerating and accelerating radically. I saw pixels and stuff.
 
2014-03-28 05:59:21 PM  

yakmans_dad: IRQ12: Nix Nightbird: I drive all across the state as part of my job, and I have determined the following:

If you aren't on freeway the whole time, continually going 15-20 mph over the speed limit during a 50-mile trip gets you to your destination approximately 2 minutes faster.

Two. Minutes.
...

Check your math.  At 15mph over on a 50 mile trip @55mph zone you are saving ~12 minutes.


Consumer Reports tested how much time is actually saved by speeding v. obeying the law. Over 1000 mile trip, the speeder saved 30 minutes. The real world intrudes.

/Bracing for the deeply sworn testimonials of the he men who know how to drive.


This is a ridiculous test. How many times did they repeat it, in how many different types of situations? Realistically, depending on conditions, the results will be anywhere from no time at all to several hours. Can't be quantified.
 
2014-03-28 06:01:26 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Bf+: DROxINxTHExWIND: By my rankings, this thread just pushed this debate to number 2 on the list of Farker groups that loathe one another:

5. Jews vs Palestinians
4. Bicyclists vs Car drivers
3. Pro-life vs Pro-choice
2. Tailgaters vs Lane cloggers
1. Conservatives vs Liberals

Excellent list.
I'd add:
Conservatives vs Women
Conservatives vs Minorities
Conservatives vs Poors
Conser... aw you get the joke.

But seriously, how about the great toilet paper over/under debate?
(which should be no debate at all.... grrr...)


Debate? Toilet paper should be rolled over for easier access. Anybody who would purposefully put toilet paper on a holder to be rolled under is an asshole who should not be trusted.


...unless they have a cat.
 
2014-03-28 06:01:55 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Loreweaver: The bold part is important. The law only applies to limited access highways, which are defined as having a divided center, with grade-seperated interchanges. Any 1-mile section of roadway with at-grade intersections and/or at-grade access to adjacent private property, is not defined as a limited-access highway.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how does that jibe with sec iv?


Because here in the great state of PA, someone thought it was a grand idea to allow businesses to build up right next to the highway, which eventually built up to the point that they had to add lighted intersections to a section of highway that used to be 55+ MPH. Someone also thought it was a great idea to have left-hand exit lanes *cough*Pittsburgh*cough*.
 
2014-03-28 06:05:07 PM  

IRQ12: Wired tested the same and the speeder saved 15 hours.   I think you can see where I am going with this.

If they did this test through traffic lights I would say maybe not complete BS.  If it was highyway, no way unless they were just speeding +1mph over the limit. (which I could see them doing to prove their point...just say "see the person who was speeding (only 1mph over) only saved 30 minutes")


 It's around 1000 miles from our house to our favorite beach location. My best friends family and ours used to share a condo. We would tootle down over the course of two days. He and his would do it in one.  It's a mix of surface streets and interstate but when we first went down, I-75 ended far to the north. Total time in the car for us was around 20 hours. They would leave at 6am Sunday and get there after dinner sometime. Gas stops, pee stops, meals, surface streets all cut into your time.  It was pretty much a wash except for our motel bill.
 
2014-03-28 06:05:07 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Ctrl-Alt-Del: 1) She didn't steal his property or violate his rights in any way

2) He's not a dog, he's a human goddamned being, and the law, at least, expects him to act like one

You are missing the point (somewhat willfully, I'd wager). Let's try a different analogy:

Let's say you often find yourself recording the drivers around you who are tailgating you and trying to pass you on the right on your cell phone because it happens so often but you can't seem to figure out why it *always* happens to you. And this one time, while you *certainly* weren't egging the guy on by trying your damnedest to be an annoying little bunt, he flips out and gets into an accident. Are you blameless?


She's certainly a terrible person who should feel bad about herself and should never be behind the wheel of a car (vertical video while driving, case closed). But that has nothing to do with the truck driver being a complete and utter dick. They're not even on a limited-access highway; you always have people who are in the left lane on surface roads because they have a turn coming up. Unless I missed something where she speeded up to cut him off from a pass and then slowed down (might have happened before the video), he's just a rage monster who shouldn't be allowed to drive. If you hang out the window of your car and flip a bird at somebody while staring threateningly at them and not watching where you're going? Just kill yourself and do the rest of us a favor.
 
2014-03-28 06:10:05 PM  

Conservative Humor: deanis: Am I missing something here or did every woman hatin' tough guy come out of the sticks in this thread?

I'm not about to say anything bad about her. Pretty sure she could kick my ass.


And then, she'd put an embarrassing video of it up on Youtube.
 
2014-03-28 06:19:36 PM  

Falin: Loreweaver: Nutsac_Jim: Loreweaver: Except the "slower traffic keep right" and passing rules you refer to only apply to highways

Perhaps you could enlighten us to the code that says this.

One final word on the subject:

There ARE sections of regular roadways where you DO have to keep right. However, those sections of road are specifically posted with signs, because it is the exception to the general rule. Those sections of road are usually on a steep incline, or along stretches of road where at-grade intersections are spaced more than a mile apart.

...and in some states, those sections of regular roadways include ALL sections of regular roadways that have more than one land traveling in the same direction.

If everyone, everywhere, simply did the right thing and stayed in the right lane unless they were passing someone or about to make a left, the roads would me a much better place and there would be no confusion.


On this point, I cannot argue.

The point I was trying to make was, depending on which state you live in, you are not legally obligated to "keep to the right-most lane" along stretches of road with multiple intersections per mile. In the case of Rt 30 where I live, it practically takes an Act of God to change lanes in the first place along that section of road.
 
2014-03-28 06:24:03 PM  

LazyMedia: Gecko Gingrich: Ctrl-Alt-Del: 1) She didn't steal his property or violate his rights in any way

2) He's not a dog, he's a human goddamned being, and the law, at least, expects him to act like one

You are missing the point (somewhat willfully, I'd wager). Let's try a different analogy:

Let's say you often find yourself recording the drivers around you who are tailgating you and trying to pass you on the right on your cell phone because it happens so often but you can't seem to figure out why it *always* happens to you. And this one time, while you *certainly* weren't egging the guy on by trying your damnedest to be an annoying little bunt, he flips out and gets into an accident. Are you blameless?

She's certainly a terrible person who should feel bad about herself and should never be behind the wheel of a car (vertical video while driving, case closed). But that has nothing to do with the truck driver being a complete and utter dick. They're not even on a limited-access highway; you always have people who are in the left lane on surface roads because they have a turn coming up. Unless I missed something where she speeded up to cut him off from a pass and then slowed down (might have happened before the video), he's just a rage monster who shouldn't be allowed to drive. If you hang out the window of your car and flip a bird at somebody while staring threateningly at them and not watching where you're going? Just kill yourself and do the rest of us a favor.


My initial offering to this thread states the guy is a dick. Again, I am not arguing the guy has no fault. In fact, I've stated he carries the majority of it. I am simply stating the girl carries some, too.
 
2014-03-28 06:24:34 PM  

R.A.Danny: MLWS: BizarreMan: I'm not entirely sure who the jackass is in this particular scenario.

Not to excuse his actions but:

She claims that the road conditions are wet and slick so she doesn't want to speed.  Given the results of speeding and swerving being a crash, she may be correct.

There was apparently enough distance/time for her to get far enough past the car she was passing for him to pass them, cut to the right lane, and then pass her.  Plenty of time for her to get over, let him by, and then move back over to the left lane for her turn.

If it's so dangerous to be on the wet roads, taking care not to wreck.  It should be too dangerous for her to be taking one hand off the wheel and grab her cell phone.  At which point she then finds the app, and aims the phone in his general direction.  Even if she wasn't watching what was being recorded while driving.  That isn't safe driving.  It's damn dangerous.  If the conditions are so bad.

She says on the video and articles that she's made recordings like this before which tells me that she is a passive-aggressive left lane Nazi with AW tendencies.  I'm curious how many other videos she has on YouTube where drivers are being incited to road rage.

You aren't wrong and I was thinking much the same thing, BUT none of the above is dangerous in and of itself. The guy in the truck should have just passed her and moved on. Intimidating someone in your giant penis compensator is a far worse offense in my mind then what this woman did.

If this was in the first couple of posts we could have avoided this whole thread.


Sorry, I was in the can.
 
2014-03-28 06:25:26 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Yeah, guy drove like a dumbass and paid for it, but that women needs her ass kicked.

Did you see the women? She's suffered enough.

She looks like Ellen Page with 125 extra pounds on her.


So, like 3 Ellen pages?
 
2014-03-28 06:30:15 PM  

LazyMedia: I wish we had the sort of education and enforcement of keeping the passing lane clear that they have in Germany and the Netherlands. Everyone's in the right lane, except when they pop out to pass and pop back in, so no matter how fast somebody is trying to go, they never get hung up. It makes for a much more low-stress environment; the slower cars don't have jerks tailgating them, and the faster cars don't have jerks blocking them.

In Holland, unfortunately, you can go only so fast because they have speed cameras enforcing a 100k limit every few miles. But, still, the fact that people are accustomed to using the passing lane to pass means that slower vehicles, like mopeds and scooters, are less likely to have people riding their bumpers.


Reasons this doesn't work in the States:

- We have left exits/entrances which means that the left lane is not an express-way
- Automobile traffic is so concentrated that you cannot effectively utilize the left lane for passing only. When I drive on the freeways in town, I essentially only drive in the left lane since I drive faster than the vast majority of folks.
- Our infrastructure is crowded with large trucks and vehicles that makes passing difficult
- Right-Hand exits become so congested that lanes adjacent end-up backing up with folks trying to merge into the 1 or 2 lanes that exit creating a change reaction.
- Nobody enforces "good" driving policy so the lowest common denominator wins out. I have never seen anyone pulled over or ticketed for driving in the Left Lane.
- Nobody likes to go slow so they all try to pass.
 
2014-03-28 06:33:19 PM  

yakmans_dad: IRQ12: Wired tested the same and the speeder saved 15 hours.   I think you can see where I am going with this.

If they did this test through traffic lights I would say maybe not complete BS.  If it was highyway, no way unless they were just speeding +1mph over the limit. (which I could see them doing to prove their point...just say "see the person who was speeding (only 1mph over) only saved 30 minutes")

 It's around 1000 miles from our house to our favorite beach location. My best friends family and ours used to share a condo. We would tootle down over the course of two days. He and his would do it in one.  It's a mix of surface streets and interstate but when we first went down, I-75 ended far to the north. Total time in the car for us was around 20 hours. They would leave at 6am Sunday and get there after dinner sometime. Gas stops, pee stops, meals, surface streets all cut into your time.  It was pretty much a wash except for our motel bill.


That' a nice anecdote and I am sure we can find a whole slew of situations where speeding is negated by other mitigating factors but on the open freeway you save a lot of time +10.  The person doing the speed limit is making the same stops, just X minutes behind you.  Hurry up and wait type situations definitely negate a lot of the benefits like traffic jams and whatnot.

That said speeding on surface streets is pretty much pointless.  On the open freeway?  Worth every mph over if it's safe to do so and you can get away with it.

I used to commute 188miles each way 3 times a week.  I easily knocked an hour off that by finding a herd to speed in.
 
2014-03-28 06:34:17 PM  
I'd like to go on record as stating that because of her (and her 1.5M YouTube hits and time in the national spotlight) we're going to see more and more of these vids, many of them "forced" ("Nothing's happening, slow down more...more...ok, he's losing his shiat, slow down a bit more...there we go! Passing on the grassy median! Here comes 3M hits baby!!"), and it will end up with someone dead.
 
2014-03-28 06:36:17 PM  

IRQ12: yakmans_dad: IRQ12: Nix Nightbird: I drive all across the state as part of my job, and I have determined the following:

If you aren't on freeway the whole time, continually going 15-20 mph over the speed limit during a 50-mile trip gets you to your destination approximately 2 minutes faster.

Two. Minutes.
...

Check your math.  At 15mph over on a 50 mile trip @55mph zone you are saving ~12 minutes.


Consumer Reports tested how much time is actually saved by speeding v. obeying the law. Over 1000 mile trip, the speeder saved 30 minutes. The real world intrudes.

/Bracing for the deeply sworn testimonials of the he men who know how to drive.

Wired tested the same and the speeder saved 15 hours.   I think you can see where I am going with this.

If they did this test through traffic lights I would say maybe not complete BS.  If it was highyway, no way unless they were just speeding +1mph over the limit. (which I could see them doing to prove their point...just say "see the person who was speeding (only 1mph over) only saved 30 minutes")

@+10mph in a 55mph limit you save almost  3 hours,@+20mph it is almost  5 hours saved.  The occasional light or two for stops isn't going to affect those numbers much.

And before you go off on how unsafe +20 in a 60mph is consider the fact that many highways in the west that were 55-60 are now 70-80mph with zero changes aside from the signs with the new limit.


Reminds me of a similar thread last year where someone stated that anyone going even 5 or more over the speed limit was a "dangerous monster with no regard for the human life".

This right around the time when Ohio raised the speed limit in some areas from 65 to 70. So I brought up the fact by their logic that someone going 69 on June 30th was 1mph away from becoming a "dangerous monster with no regard for the human life" to becoming the asshole who isn't going the speed limit the next day.

All I wanted to know was how the roads in Ohio somehow magically became safer overnight. Obviously this person was a subject expert when it came to speed limits so, did the signs somehow magically make the same roads safer or did the Ohio department of transportation sprinkle magic dust on the highway that made 70 MPH the new standard of safety?

I never got a response.
 
2014-03-28 06:38:15 PM  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qLxxEyDpak

/found part of the ugly correspondent video
 
2014-03-28 06:39:58 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Nobody enforces "good" driving policy so the lowest common denominator wins out. I have never seen anyone pulled over or ticketed for driving in the Left Lane.


Actually, I was, sorta - back in 1972. i was poking along about 50 in the left lane of the Santa Monica freeway ( no traffic, mind you - not impeding anybody) and got pulled over. Bur it was patently obvious that they had pulled me over for being a hairy hippie, so they could poke through my car (which they did, fruitlessly). They pretty obviously didn't really give a shiat about my driving too slow - they wrote me some chickenshiat $25 ticket. So, no. I've never seen anybody really pulled over for that.
 
2014-03-28 06:45:51 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Let's say you often find yourself recording the drivers around you who are tailgating you and trying to pass you on the right on your cell phone because it happens so often but you can't seem to figure out why it *always* happens to you. And this one time, while you *certainly* weren't egging the guy on by trying your damnedest to be an annoying little bunt,


Oh, I get it - If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into nothing but assholes all day long, you may want to take a look in the mirror. I'll bet she is a sanctimonious, self righteous asshole. Maybe even all the time. Maybe even so often that if i knew her I would wish bad things upon her. But none of that excuses his actions, or puts the blame for his actions anywhere but on himself

 

Gecko Gingrich: You are missing the point (somewhat willfully, I'd wager). Let's try a different analogy:


No analogy needed. I understand exactly what your point is, I just think you're completely wrong.

he flips out and gets into an accident. Are you blameless?

 Yes. "He was being an asshole" is not a defense when you are asked "Why did you do all these stupid, illegal, dangerous things that led to all of this damage?" Just like "He called me names" is not a valid defense when you are asked "Why did you beat the shiat out of that person?" If he is so goddamned irresponsible that he can't control himself and is driven to reckless, irresponsible, dangerous, and illegal acts of retribution when he is confronted with a situation that simply pisses him off, then tickets, fines, and jail time are exactly what he needs, if not counseling, drug treatment, and institutionalization.

Being an asshole is not a crime. And if you are so goddamned immature, or fragile, or thuggish that you can't control yourself when confronted with otherwise legal behavior that you don't like, then you don't belong in civilized society
 
2014-03-28 06:47:30 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: R.A.Danny: His inability to drive was her fault? His accident was her fault? Really?

Let's say you steal a dog's bone and he bites you. Are you faultless?

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2014-03-28 06:54:03 PM  

IRQ12: yakmans_dad: Consumer Reports tested how much time is actually saved by speeding v. obeying the law. Over 1000 mile trip, the speeder saved 30 minutes. The real world intrudes.

/Bracing for the deeply sworn testimonials of the he men who know how to drive.

Wired tested the same and the speeder saved 15 hours.


They saved 15 hours a 1000 mile trip?  That's pretty amazing when you consider that a 1000 mile trip at an average speed of 50 miles per hour only takes 20 hours. And they managed to do it in just 5? Did they try the same trip with any cars that don't go 200 miles per hour?

I think you can see where I am going with this.

The gym?  If you have to be there in 26 minutes you could probably make it in 10 if you go fast enough.
 
2014-03-28 07:05:44 PM  

cloister the stupid: This right around the time when Ohio raised the speed limit in some areas from 65 to 70. So I brought up the fact by their logic that someone going 69 on June 30th was 1mph away from becoming a "dangerous monster with no regard for the human life" to becoming the asshole who isn't going the speed limit the next day.  All I wanted to know was how the roads in Ohio somehow magically became safe ...


I asked CruiserTwelve the same thing the last time the subject came up, albeit more obliquely.  Still waiting.
 
2014-03-28 07:09:32 PM  

cloister the stupid: Reminds me of a similar thread last year where someone stated that anyone going even 5 or more over the speed limit was a "dangerous monster with no regard for the human life".

This right around the time when Ohio raised the speed limit in some areas from 65 to 70. So I brought up the fact by their logic that someone going 69 on June 30th was 1mph away from becoming a "dangerous monster with no regard for the human life" to becoming the asshole who isn't going the speed limit the next day.

All I wanted to know was how the roads in Ohio somehow magically became safer overnight. Obviously this person was a subject expert when it came to speed limits so, did the signs somehow magically make the same roads safer or did the Ohio department of transportation sprinkle magic dust on the highway that made 70 MPH the new standard of safety?

I never got a response.


What I don't get is the hate.  I can understand being angry about obnoxious and dangerous drivers speeding but most people who speed (and most people do speed at one time or another) are just going marginally faster minding their own business.

It's like being passed is a threat to their ego, or like they are being cut in line.  "People getting to their destination marginally faster drives me crazy!"
 
2014-03-28 07:15:28 PM  

SmokinTrees: Cerebral Ballsy: SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction. Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast). If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap. Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME. It's a tough sell to a cop...

Why don't you just get over? I do, and I speed all the time. Why the need to block someone?

I do! All the time! I despise traffic-blockers as much as the next person. However, when I am passing other people on the road, like the woman in the video, or there simply is too much traffic and it'd be going out of my way and the jerk behind me continues to tailgate... well, that pisses me off and it's game on. I never slam on my brakes, just tap them to flash the taillights. Harmless. If he can't take it and gets all road-ragey, that's his prerogative.


Indeed. If I'm in the left lane because I'm going faster than people in the right lane and someone flies up behind me going faster still, I'll get over as soon as there's a reasonable space to do so. But I can't say I have any great inclination to slow down to move over just so they can right-that-very-instant get around me.

tforbes: there are only two types of drivers worse than left lane nazis.

people who break check you (regardless of lane) and people who try to high-beam you after you pass them.


Funny, that never happens to me much at all. But then again, I try to avoid tailgating. And if I catch myself, I slow down and back off a bit before the need arises. It's pretty easy, actually. Give it a try. And see above -- if someone tries to drive up my tailpipe before I even have a chance to get over, I'm going to give the brakes just enough of a tap to make the light flash. Usually that's quite enough until I can find an appropriate spot to move to the right lane for them. Though most people who tailgate aren't really the sort to be concerned about whether the driver in front of them actually has a place to move over into or not, are you, er, are they?

And no, I'm far from a perfect driver. The older I get, the harder it is to do anything but drive I find. Just making a minor volume or thermostat change can be dicey. I sometimes miss people in my peripheral vision and have to do my best "I'm really terribly sorry for almost swerving into you" mime. If someone else is in the car, I'll get in a conversation and miss a turn or an exit. But I generally get around pretty well without being an aggressive king-of-the-road dickwad. Sorry you're in such a farking big hurry that no-one else who's driving matters to you.

Loreweaver: Highways don't have intersections, FYI.


Where do people live where "highways" don't have intersections? All highways are not interstates with entrances and exits. Not to single you out, because others have indicated the same thing, but what's up with that?
 
2014-03-28 07:33:29 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Gecko Gingrich: Let's say you often find yourself recording the drivers around you who are tailgating you and trying to pass you on the right on your cell phone because it happens so often but you can't seem to figure out why it *always* happens to you. And this one time, while you *certainly* weren't egging the guy on by trying your damnedest to be an annoying little bunt,

Oh, I get it - If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into nothing but assholes all day long, you may want to take a look in the mirror. I'll bet she is a sanctimonious, self righteous asshole. Maybe even all the time. Maybe even so often that if i knew her I would wish bad things upon her. But none of that excuses his actions, or puts the blame for his actions anywhere but on himself

 Gecko Gingrich: You are missing the point (somewhat willfully, I'd wager). Let's try a different analogy:

No analogy needed. I understand exactly what your point is, I just think you're completely wrong.

he flips out and gets into an accident. Are you blameless?

 Yes. "He was being an asshole" is not a defense when you are asked "Why did you do all these stupid, illegal, dangerous things that led to all of this damage?" Just like "He called me names" is not a valid defense when you are asked "Why did you beat the shiat out of that person?" If he is so goddamned irresponsible that he can't control himself and is driven to reckless, irresponsible, dangerous, and illegal acts of retribution when he is confronted with a situation that simply pisses him off, then tickets, fines, and jail time are exactly what he needs, if not counseling, drug treatment, and institutionalization.

Being an asshole is not a crime. And if you are so goddamned immature, or fragile, or thuggish that you can't control yourself when confronted with otherwise legal behavior that you don't like, then you don't belong in civilized society


I'm not talking about legal responsibility, though in some situations, being an antagonistic asshole by blocking traffic *does* carry legal responsibility.

Remember when you were a kid, and you'd taunt your little brother mercilessly (I'm not touching you I'm not touching you I'm not touching you) until he snapped and punched you in the arm? Remember how mom would send him to his room, and give you a stern look? That's because you share some of the blame for what happened. Not all of it, and he got punished worse because what he did was worse, but deep down inside you know mom was right. You didn't fool her. She knew.
 
2014-03-28 07:46:11 PM  
Ahahaha pickup driving douchebags are the worst. What a loser. I am loving the loser mugshot. He's a loser and he's mad.

/people drive these things in the city and take up multiple parking spots with their I-do-not-have-a-small-penis-mobile. fark them all
 
2014-03-28 07:52:26 PM  

Ant: I hate tailgaters way more than I hate people who take one hand off the wheel to film tailgaters. Also, if you have a turn coming up, you have a legitimate reason to be in the left lane.

WTF is it with drivers of those huge pickups driving them like they're tiny sports cars? Jesus farking Christ people, why do you stress out so much over not being able to go one extra mph over the speed limit?


Well, they're obviously trying to overcompensate for something they lack, IMHO....

/ :-)
 
2014-03-28 08:29:13 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: Jersey, Colorado for sure.  Probably others.

[www.coloradodot.info image 87x128]

Michigan.

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My husband is Jersey-born and -raised, and he ALWAYS stays in the left lane.  Drives me farking nuts.
 
2014-03-28 08:58:39 PM  

DrBenway: Where do people live where "highways" don't have intersections? All highways are not interstates with entrances and exits. Not to single you out, because others have indicated the same thing, but what's up with that?


Maybe it's an East Coast thing, or a per-state thing. Where I live, we only call it a "highway" when it is a divided highway with bridged interchanges. Anything with intersections is considered a boulevard or standard road, or as in the case of the Rt 30 Bypass, it is referred to as "The Rt 30 Clusterfark".
 
2014-03-28 09:17:16 PM  

Loreweaver: The bold part is important. The law only applies to limited access highways, which are defined as having a divided center, with grade-seperated interchanges. Any 1-mile section of roadway with at-grade intersections and/or at-grade access to adjacent private property, is not defined as a limited-access highway.


Gecko Gingrich: I'm not saying you're wrong, but how does that jibe with sec iv?


Loreweaver: Because here in the great state of PA, someone thought it was a grand idea to allow businesses to build up right next to the highway, which eventually built up to the point that they had to add lighted intersections to a section of highway that used to be 55+ MPH. Someone also thought it was a great idea to have left-hand exit lanes *cough*Pittsburgh*cough*.


Why would you quote a code but not use the code's own legal definition (Title 75 Chapter 1)?

"Limited access highway."
A highway in respect to which owners or occupants of abutting lands and other persons have no legal right of access except at points and in the manner determined by the authority having jurisdiction over the highway.
 
2014-03-28 09:26:52 PM  

kdawg7736: [wfla.images.worldnow.com image 285x202]

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Do you have the original for that?

/Paging the fWc to the thread. fWc, please pick up the white courtesy telephone.
 
2014-03-28 09:32:10 PM  
I encounter someone like this douche truck driver almost every day in Arizona.  I generally drive my Honda Civic Hybrid 5-10 mph over the limit, but I'm not going to slow down and force myself into traffic in the right lane so someone going 15-20 mph over the speed limit can pass me and then give me the finger.  They can wait until I have room to move over and then give me the finger.  I am even careful to make sure they don't have to impatiently pass me on the right before I can move over for them.  Some douche truck driver with a trailer tried to run me off the freeway in the high desert because I wasn't going fast enough for him, despite the fact that I was passing a line of cars in the right lane.

Fafai: people drive these things in the city and take up multiple parking spots


If your truck is so big that you have to fold your mirrors to get into a parking spot, your truck does not fit in that parking spot.
 
2014-03-28 10:13:06 PM  
If only there could have been a biker in the bike lane
 
2014-03-28 10:19:02 PM  

PluckYew: Aren't they timed so that, if you go the speed limit in the city, you can catch them as they are turning green?

Sometimes referred as a green wave.


Depends on the city, and depends on the time of day.  Last time I was in downtown Houston, I noticed all the N/S roads went green together (for as long as I could see), and then all the E/W roads.

Some years ago when I lived west of Dallas, I discovered some east/west corridors (Royal Lane, Walnut Hill) that had lights timed so that if you went eastbound at around 53 to 57 MPH in the morning and westbound at about the same speed in the evening, you could catch about 6 - 7 lights in a row.  (This is a 35MPH road, with 3 lanes in each direction.)  I couldn't tell you if this is still the case; I haven't had that particular commute for about a decade.

The timing did shift with time of day.  There wasn't really a way to time the lights to that 35MPH in both directions always hit a green light, because of the spacing of intersections.
 
2014-03-28 10:52:27 PM  
You people are crazy man.  "I don't care if the car behind me might in a medical emergency situation,  the law supports me going 54 in the left lane and that's that."  Get the fark over yourselves.

I do realize that 95% of the time it's just rude speeders but really, you could potentially be making life or death decisions but you go girl!  Being smug and "right" is totally worth it.
 
2014-03-28 11:00:52 PM  

OregonVet: Ctrl-Alt-Del: It's an easy call for me - the whole issue of her "speeding up after he passed" discussed earlier confuses things, especially since his posture, attitude and actions seem to indicate (to me, at least) that it was actually him slowing down just to make sure she got a good view of his finger and his evil grin so she would know good and well that he was intentionally farking her over when he cut her off like that.

Yah, she may have let up or even touched the gas a little while he was on the right, but the background objects match her pace more consistent than his meaning he's decelerating and accelerating radically. I saw pixels and stuff.


See, thats what I saw, which is why my impression was "He slowed down to flip her off because she was filming him being an ass and he obliged by doubling down on his dickery" and not "She sped up, because she wanted a good look at the finger he was about to give her for not letting him cut her off."

I mean, A.) He shouldn't be in the left lane either, since he technically could have pulled right too. B.) If she could have pulled right it would have been farking hard with the slow vehicles on the right because C.) They were both going so fast that they passed vehicles on the right, and if he was tailgating her (and backed up a bit when she brought out her phone) then D.) She probably didn't feel safe getting back into the right lane with crazypants so close (in the video she says his tailgating made her nervous).

Also E.) She never mentioned slowing down, trying to make him slow down, etc. It looks like she's trying to pass, TBH, but not fast enough for crazypants. F.) She should just get a dashcam. G.) And should have been signaling if she was turning left.
 
2014-03-28 11:00:53 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Cerebral Ballsy: Dash cam won't help you there in Florida. We're a no-fault state. Driver in the rear is always at fault,

No.

Rear-End Collisions and Recovery of Damages in Florida
While it is true that in Florida there is a presumption that the driver who rear-ended another vehicle was the sole cause of the accident, the rear-ending driver can rebut that presumption by producing evidence that shows that the accident was not caused solely by his or her negligence (fault).

The rear driver can do so by showing that the front driver had some fault in it as well, such as; suddenly or unexpectedly stopping, unexpectedly changing lanes or that the vehicle had a mechanical failure. If the rear driver fairly and reasonably shows or rebuts the presumption of negligence, the jury then determines the issue of the rear driver's negligence and determines the damages.


1. Thanks for cutting off the conditional part of my explanation in order to try and make me sound 'wrong' so you can debate a point which doesn't contradict what I said.

2. The burden of proof lies on the rear driver

3. You will flat out LOSE if you are tailgating, and your proof, which would have to be video evidence, would indicate that you are tailgating.

Are you under the impression you can just waltz into court, claim the driver in front of you impeded your right of way, an the jury will buy your story and give you and handshake and a settlement? Because I have news for you, burden of proof means you have to *actually show up with proof* you weren't being an aggressor. Your own testimony is not "proof".
 
2014-03-28 11:30:28 PM  

Phelon Hardtimes: You people are crazy man.  "I don't care if the car behind me might in a medical emergency situation,


i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-28 11:36:40 PM  
My boyfriend owns a private security company so 99% of the time I'm driving a car it's one of his marked cars.

It's very common for me to be driving and the car in front of me thinks I'm a cop so they slow down. We're talking below the actual speed limit slowing down. Annoying as hell. Then when the opportunity for me to finally pass them comes up and they realize it's just a security car they speed up and ride my ass because they're angry I "made" them slow down. I've even had assholes I pass start hitting me with their high beams because they're so pissed off they mistook me for a cop car.

The really funny ones though are when you got a car full of teenagers in front of you smoking pot and then nervously looking over their shoulders every couple of seconds not sure if I'm a cop or not. So when they take a hit from the joint they duck their heads bellow the seat, take a hit, then pop their heads back up and turn around and look at me to see if I'm on to them.

Yeah, that's totally not suspicious at all.
 
2014-03-28 11:46:50 PM  

Ghastly: It's very common for me to be driving and the car in front of me thinks I'm a cop so they slow down.


My buddy bought a used cop car. It was a total creampuff driven by a suburban chief of police and he loves it except for what you just mentioned.
 
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