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2014-03-28 02:26:00 PM

Falin: What are you talking about? That law has absolutely nothing to do with Keep Right Except to pass. This law is talking about passing on single lane road. This law is saying "if you're on a one-lane road and someone is going under the speed limit, it's ok to speed to pass them if you need to."


Yes, yes it does. It's out of that section. On a one-lane road you are allowed to pass at a safe acceleration even if it means over the limit is safely required. BUT it's also the section that describes passing a slower vehicle and the all caps, added by your legislature, says that passing a slower vehicle requires being below the speed limit. You won't find any other provision for passing someone while going over the limit. You aren't allowed to.
 
2014-03-28 02:27:41 PM

SmokinTrees: Falin: OregonVet: Falin: In even littler-boy words- You're wrong.

You are wrong. You are not allowed to speed. The entire law is written to cover circumstances when someone is under the limit. Not to mention in the video she is passing other vehicles while this guy is on her ass. Show me where speeding in the law is permitted and I'll yield. You won't.

Sorry man, you're just flat-out wrong on this one. The laws governing keeping right in this state do not take speed limit into account. Some states do have a law that specifically says that if you're going the speed limit you don't have to get over. Washington isn't one of them.

Here, the chances of you getting pulled over for going the speed limit in the left lane and not moving right for traffic are higher than the chances of you getting pulled over for going 5 over the limit. Cops around here know. They know which behavior causes more traffic and safety issues, so they target it.

If you're in the left lane here doing 65 in a 60 and some guy gets up on your ass because he wants to do 80, you're legally required to move over. Full stop.

Yes, he's a douche for getting on your ass, but you're just as much of a douche for not getting over.

IMO this has nothing to do with being a douche, and more to do with being safe on the road.  The jerk that rides someone's ass to go 5mph faster is putting everyone in the general vicinity in danger.  Flash your lights, honk your horn, but don't ride my ass... I will brake check you.  And if you hit me, it will be your fault and I will win my lawsuit against you.  What this guy did accomplished exactly nothing (road rage never does).  Yes, there is something to be said for being a courteous driver and switching lanes when someone flies up behind you.  There is also something to be said for showing some patience.  Quote whatever laws you want, but he LOST.  And that makes me happy, given his shiatty driving.  Was she acting like a spoiled little child?  Sure.  That's still no exc ...


This is true both ways, though. the Keep Right laws exist for a reason, and when people disobey them, deliberately or not, they are causing a safety issue.

I don't condone tailgating at all. It's unsafe and rude and douchey and almost always makes the situation worse. Dude in the video got what was coming to him, and I would have laughed out loud if I'd seen it happen.

But deliberately staying on the left when you don't belong there is just as bad.
 
2014-03-28 02:27:46 PM

justtray: Highways have intersections. Freeways do not.


Wat?  They don't call it the interstate freeway system.  Everywhere I've lived (east coast/mid-west/south) the words "highway", "expressway", and "freeway" are used interchangeably.

To be technically correct, limited-access [highways/freeways/expressways/interstates/tollways/parkways] do not have intersections, anything else might.
 
2014-03-28 02:30:10 PM

OregonVet: Falin: What are you talking about? That law has absolutely nothing to do with Keep Right Except to pass. This law is talking about passing on single lane road. This law is saying "if you're on a one-lane road and someone is going under the speed limit, it's ok to speed to pass them if you need to."

Yes, yes it does. It's out of that section. On a one-lane road you are allowed to pass at a safe acceleration even if it means over the limit is safely required. BUT it's also the section that describes passing a slower vehicle and the all caps, added by your legislature, says that passing a slower vehicle requires being below the speed limit. You won't find any other provision for passing someone while going over the limit. You aren't allowed to.


This entire law applies to passing on one-lane roads. It has nothing to do with multiple lane roads. It's extremely clear. I have no idea how it can be interpreted any other way, given the wording of it.
 
2014-03-28 02:32:12 PM
ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...
 
2014-03-28 02:34:29 PM

Falin: But deliberately staying on the left when you don't belong there is just as bad.


Agreed, which is why it is rule one of the whole damn section:

46.61.100
Keep right except when passing, etc.
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

     (a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

This (your cited) rules thing governing such movement is the damn speed limit among all the others (like blinkers, lane changing, etc). She was in the law on that part. Passing people even. STFU&GBTW.
 
2014-03-28 02:35:27 PM
Falin:
the Keep Right laws exist for a reason, and when people disobey them, deliberately or not, they are causing a safety issue.

Please explain how driving in the right lane, when the left lane is open causes a safety issue.  Not trying to be a jerk here, I'd really like some insight from someone who is obviously well-versed in the law.
 
2014-03-28 02:36:30 PM

Dog Welder: For those who missed it, there is no "passing lane" on this road. She was planning on making a left turn so getting over into the right lane would not have been the proper move.


I might have bought that if not for the repeated lefts she doesn't make and then the maniacal laughter at the end.  She was going faster than the flatbed in the right lane so moving over would've put her up his ass.
 
2014-03-28 02:37:18 PM

loaba: liam76: OregonVet: liam76: She didn't have a turn coming up.

Are you a mind reader now? She said she did. How do you know she didn't? Even if by your judgement her turn was too far down the road she wasn't misusing the lane.

The video was two minutes, she didn't have to turn anytime soon.

And yes , she did misuse the lane. Legally she didn't ( but morally she was still being a coont) for not moving over, but when she sped up to keep him from passing she did legally.

Doesn't excuse the guy for being an asshole, but by speeding up when he was passing and videotaping made her just as much of an asshole.


That's how you know it was personal for both of them. Dude finally got around her (and she knew that's what he wanted all along) and she just had to speed up say "hi". That's what makes her a dick. His dickery is not absolved, he should have calmed the fark down and just been happy he managed to get around the coont.


Are you sure she sped up, and he wasn't speeding up and slowing down to make sure she saw him? Because given her actions and his actions, I'd think it's much more likely that he was doing the changing of velocity...
 
2014-03-28 02:38:40 PM

SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...


In fender benders people that make contact from behind are almost ALWAYS at fault. Don't tailgate.
 
2014-03-28 02:38:54 PM

TiMthisIS: Dog Welder: For those who missed it, there is no "passing lane" on this road. She was planning on making a left turn so getting over into the right lane would not have been the proper move.

I might have bought that if not for the repeated lefts she doesn't make and then the maniacal laughter at the end.  She was going faster than the flatbed in the right lane so moving over would've put her up his ass.


And after he passes her and stays in the right lane, she speeds up and passes him again.  Probably getting ready to box him in.  At that point, he speeds up, passes her flipping her off and wipes out when he attempts to get into the center lane.
 
2014-03-28 02:40:09 PM

deanis: Mr. Cat Poop: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Yeah, guy drove like a dumbass and paid for it, but that women needs her ass kicked.

Did you see the women? She's suffered enough.

She looks like Ellen Page with 125 extra pounds on her.

Am I missing something here or did every woman hatin' tough guy come out of the sticks in this thread?


I'm not hating women, just saying she could be a really cute lesbian if she dropped a few stone.
 
2014-03-28 02:43:08 PM

Gecko Gingrich: whatsupchuck: If you're in that much of a goddamn rush to get where you're headed, leave five minutes earlier.

I always love this solution. There are any number of reasons why someone may be in a rush that has absolutely nothing to do with what time they could have left.


It's the one degree of freedom in your "getting to the gym in 26 minutes" problem that you have the most control over, because there are even more reasons why traffic isn't going to sympathize with your dilemma.
 
2014-03-28 02:47:56 PM

loaba: Cerebral Ballsy: quantum_csc: adragontattoo: Dancin_In_Anson: I wonder why everyone is in such a farking hurry to get to the next red light.

I always laugh when I am in town and someone hauls ass as soon as the light turns green.  I always make sure to applaud and congratulate them on winning the race to the red light.  I then profusely apologize for taking so long to arrive.  Best so far was the guy who "raced" me to 5 consecutive red lights.  I was very ashamed that I managed to lose to him so many times.  The cops even pulled him over to congratulate him (I assume that is why they pulled a U-turn and started up their disco lights.)

You never know, one of those times you might be fast enough to barely make the next light and then you are golden.  If I can shave 10% off my driving time by going faster that equals at least 24 hours a year I am NOT spending in my car.  If you want to drive the speed limit and spend an extra couple of MONTHS sitting in your car over the course of your life then know yourself out.

As someone with a moderately heavy foot, I've never understood the superiority of that guy who drives the speed limit. "I'll see you at the next light".. Not likely. I'll make the green and you won't and that will be the last I hear from you. I don't care one way or the other usually.. Unless there's some reason I have to be speeding.

While riding with my friend who irritatingly drives less than the speed limit all the time, it takes forever to get anywhere. I could swear sometimes it takes twice as long, even though I don't drive twice as fast.

I started watching traffic patterns, and I saw that because my friend goes slow, lots of people change lanes in front of him, which puts him even further back at lights.. Lights I would have passed through on the cycle before during the green. Same deal on the highway. I watched the difference between him and another car he was following; as people merged in, they pushed my friend further back behind the car he was trying ...


As a heavy-foot driver, I can tell you that you're pretty well wrong. If you and your buddy took seperate cars, he's probably only 2 or 3 minutes behind you. But you do get there first.


I'm talking about longer drives. We like to take road trips to go diving.

He had a driver tail him and get rude this past weekend. I started taping it because the other driver was pretty erratic. My friend said he was going to "follow" the other driver to see what happened.

My friend can't keep up with an aggressive driver, he just lacks the jerk quality to weave in traffic, so the rager got further and further ahead. I noticed that with every on-ramp we passed, more and more drivers ended up between my friend and Mr. Ragey.

That's the real reason my friend ends up so far behind, it's the congestion, not just the fact that he drives 15-20 mph less than I do.
 
2014-03-28 02:49:01 PM

Bf+: Gecko Gingrich: There are any number of reasons why someone may be in a rush that has absolutely nothing to do with what time they could have left.

Um... not in this universe?


My daughter's school bus comes at 7:41 in the morning. Unless you are suggesting that I leave a 5 year old alone to get herself ready and to the bus stop, I cannot leave before 7:41.

I cannot control the guy who decided to kill himself by jumping off the bridge I have to cross to get to work. Unless you're suggesting I leave two hours early every day, just in case some dude decides life just isn't worth living anymore.

If you will promise me that leaving 5 minutes early will guarantee that my house will never catch fire, or that my wife will never fall and break her leg, or that my dad won't ever have a stroke, then I will always leave five minutes early.

I know it's easy to just paint the other guy as 100% at fault for his predicament, allowing you to remove any feelings of empathy you might have, which then allow you to be a selfish, self-absorbed dick.
 
2014-03-28 02:53:52 PM

OregonVet: Falin: But deliberately staying on the left when you don't belong there is just as bad.

Agreed, which is why it is rule one of the whole damn section:

46.61.100
Keep right except when passing, etc.
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

     (a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

This (your cited) rules thing governing such movement is the damn speed limit among all the others (like blinkers, lane changing, etc). She was in the law on that part. Passing people even. STFU&GBTW.


Dude. Seriously. This has already been explained to you.

What you're quoting is part of 46.61.100 section (1).

RCW 46.61.100
Keep right except when passing, etc.
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

     (a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;


Section (1) of this law applies to what lane you're in when you're on a roadway that is either single-lane in each direction or single-lane in each direction with a center turn lane (people around here call them suicide lanes).

Subsection (a) of Section (1), which you keep quoting, says that when you're on a road that has one lane in your direction, stay in that lane unless you're passing someone, and when you pass them follow the passing rules (the rules governing such movement). That's why your other link (which is indeed the rules governing such movement) ONLY talks about passing on a single lane roadway.

The Keep Right Except to Pass law that we're talking about here is covered in Section (2) of 46.61.100:

(2) Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, or (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted. On any such roadway, a vehicle or combination over ten thousand pounds shall be driven only in the right-hand lane except under the conditions enumerated in (a) through (d) of this subsection.

Follow?
 
2014-03-28 02:53:54 PM

Loreweaver: sammyk: BizarreMan: I'm not entirely sure who the jackass is in this particular scenario.

Not to excuse his actions but:

She claims that the road conditions are wet and slick so she doesn't want to speed.  Given the results of speeding and swerving being a crash, she may be correct.

There was apparently enough distance/time for her to get far enough past the car she was passing for him to pass them, cut to the right lane, and then pass her.  Plenty of time for her to get over, let him by, and then move back over to the left lane for her turn.

If it's so dangerous to be on the wet roads, taking care not to wreck.  It should be too dangerous for her to be taking one hand off the wheel and grab her cell phone.  At which point she then finds the app, and aims the phone in his general direction.  Even if she wasn't watching what was being recorded while driving.  That isn't safe driving.  It's damn dangerous.  If the conditions are so bad.

She says on the video and articles that she's made recordings like this before which tells me that she is a passive-aggressive left lane Nazi with AW tendencies.  I'm curious how many other videos she has on YouTube where drivers are being incited to road rage.

Meh, left lane nazis' make my blood boil but I don't taunt them and do stupid crap like wrecking my car. Then again I drive a SRT8 so blowing them up with that load as hell exhaust is kind of fun.

If LE actually enforced 'slower traffic keep right' we could fix a few traffic problems in tis country.

"Slower Traffic Keep Right" does not apply to boulevards with intersections. It only applies to highways with on/off ramps.


Why do you keep saying this? You're incorrect.

In Florida, a highway isn't just a tollway or an interstate with on ramps and off ramps. The rule of slower drivers keep right is a ticketable offense when it's a two lane, non-residential highway, with or without intersections.

Highway 27 is a good example. I've seen people get tickets on that road for not passing in the left lane. It has intersections, but it's a two lane highway in rural parts.
 
2014-03-28 02:57:50 PM
Whizzing arund in our Tonka toys like we're the only ones on the road.  Like if we get to act like we're the only ones on he road, we win.  Here's an idea.  The world is a lot more crowded than it once was.  So are the streets.  If you can't function with some degree of civility and realistic expectations as to the flow of traffic, buy a bus pass.  Those drivers are super careful and they usually have a stop within a mile of where you live.
 
2014-03-28 02:59:43 PM

Falin: Dude. Seriously. This has already been explained to you.

"We understand it can be frustrating for drivers when you have other motorists camped out in the left lane," said WSP Captain Ron Rupke, District 5 commander. "But this also doesn't mean motorists can drive in an aggressive manner or use the left lane to speed."


WSP=your state trooper
 
2014-03-28 03:01:20 PM

SmokinTrees: Falin:
the Keep Right laws exist for a reason, and when people disobey them, deliberately or not, they are causing a safety issue.

Please explain how driving in the right lane, when the left lane is open causes a safety issue.  Not trying to be a jerk here, I'd really like some insight from someone who is obviously well-versed in the law.


Essentially, slower traffice keeps to the right laneand facilitates turning off into side streets and retail establishments while leaving the left lane open for passing and traffic heading out of town, and this ensures a smoother flow of traffic.
 
2014-03-28 03:02:41 PM

tripleseven: StrangeQ: Cerebral Ballsy: quantum_csc: adragontattoo: Dancin_In_Anson: I wonder why everyone is in such a farking hurry to get to the next red light.

I always laugh when I am in town and someone hauls ass as soon as the light turns green.  I always make sure to applaud and congratulate them on winning the race to the red light.  I then profusely apologize for taking so long to arrive.  Best so far was the guy who "raced" me to 5 consecutive red lights.  I was very ashamed that I managed to lose to him so many times.  The cops even pulled him over to congratulate him (I assume that is why they pulled a U-turn and started up their disco lights.)

You never know, one of those times you might be fast enough to barely make the next light and then you are golden.  If I can shave 10% off my driving time by going faster that equals at least 24 hours a year I am NOT spending in my car.  If you want to drive the speed limit and spend an extra couple of MONTHS sitting in your car over the course of your life then know yourself out.

As someone with a moderately heavy foot, I've never understood the superiority of that guy who drives the speed limit. "I'll see you at the next light".. Not likely. I'll make the green and you won't and that will be the last I hear from you. I don't care one way or the other usually.. Unless there's some reason I have to be speeding.

While riding with my friend who irritatingly drives less than the speed limit all the time, it takes forever to get anywhere. I could swear sometimes it takes twice as long, even though I don't drive twice as fast.

I started watching traffic patterns, and I saw that because my friend goes slow, lots of people change lanes in front of him, which puts him even further back at lights.. Lights I would have passed through on the cycle before during the green. Same deal on the highway. I watched the difference between him and another car he was following; as people merged in, they pushed my friend further back behind the car he w ...

Hey, yeah, why not drive like the pre-agree traffic control devices don't exist.  Those only apply to morons.


Actually, the speed limit is calculated based on what a certain percentile of people drive (I think it was the 68th percentile)?

In any case, traffic planners know there are speeders, computer generated traffic models plan for it, and people driving at different rates helps traffic move along smoothly (given that no one gets ragey).

I don't equate mental acuity with driving speed. My friend who goes slow is a programmer with a high IQ.

Although the general population has shown themselves to be morons incapable of performing even the most basic math and logic, an prefer watching TMZ over anything educational, I will admit most people are fine drivers. You simpletons do amaze me at times.
 
2014-03-28 03:03:04 PM

OregonVet: Falin: Dude. Seriously. This has already been explained to you.

"We understand it can be frustrating for drivers when you have other motorists camped out in the left lane," said WSP Captain Ron Rupke, District 5 commander. "But this also doesn't mean motorists can drive in an aggressive manner or use the left lane to speed."

WSP=your state trooper


Of course. Speeding is illegal. I think we all know that.

You still have to Keep Right Except to Pass even if you're going the speed limit (or faster) in Washington, though. It's the law.
 
2014-03-28 03:06:31 PM

OregonVet: Falin: It doesn't matter if the person on the left is going the speed limit or not.

From your post, LOL, emphasis added:

(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
     (a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

In little boy words- NOT speeding.


you missed this part ..

(4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic.

no clause, ifs, ands, or buts.

You Sir are completely and utterly incorrect

/the best kind of incorrect
 
2014-03-28 03:08:28 PM

Conservative Humor: DROxINxTHExWIND: By my rankings, this thread just pushed this debate to number 2 on the list of Farker groups that loathe one another:

5. Jews vs Palestinians
4. Bicyclists vs Car drivers
3. Pro-life vs Pro-choice
2. Tailgaters vs Lane cloggers
1. Conservatives vs Liberals

You have Jews v. Palestinians ranked above gun grabbers v. gun nuts?


Jews v. Palestinians is really just American conservatives v. American liberals, seeing as not too many Jews and Palestinians frequent Fark.
 
2014-03-28 03:13:27 PM

OregonVet: Falin: Dude. Seriously. This has already been explained to you.

"We understand it can be frustrating for drivers when you have other motorists camped out in the left lane," said WSP Captain Ron Rupke, District 5 commander. "But this also doesn't mean motorists can drive in an aggressive manner or use the left lane to speed."

WSP=your state trooper


Oh, and in case one example wasn't enough, Virginia is the same way:

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02092006/166829

Tyler said that applies even if the vehicle trying to pass is speeding, following too closely or operating in any other reckless manner.

"Leave it up to police officers to deal with any violations they might be committing. We'll handle that," he said. "But the law still requires you to move to the right and let them pass."

He noted that the law and common sense both are served by getting out of the way of a driver who's anxious and intent on passing.
 
2014-03-28 03:14:09 PM

SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...


It's still illegal. But that's ok, you go on breaking the law because all that matters is you and what you get out of it right?

And no it really isn't a tough sell. If you can lie about the issue so can the other party. He swerved in front of me and cut me off.
I would have hit him harder if I wasn't watching for the inappropriate lane change. Prove you didn't.
 
2014-03-28 03:16:21 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Ctrl-Alt-Del: You have a citation to show that this is the law "in most places"?

You have a citation to show that I stated "in most places"?


Well, since you put it that way, I'll just have to say no, I don't. Apparently "many jurisdictions"  confused and befuddled me.

So strike that whole first sentence and change it to "Meh, I don't know about "many," the Keep Right laws I'm familiar with... etc
 
2014-03-28 03:19:51 PM

Falin: OregonVet: Falin: Dude. Seriously. This has already been explained to you.

"We understand it can be frustrating for drivers when you have other motorists camped out in the left lane," said WSP Captain Ron Rupke, District 5 commander. "But this also doesn't mean motorists can drive in an aggressive manner or use the left lane to speed."

WSP=your state trooper

Of course. Speeding is illegal. I think we all know that.

You still have to Keep Right Except to Pass even if you're going the speed limit (or faster) in Washington, though. It's the law.


He's got to be one of those left-lane pace car assholes that thinks he has the right to keep people at or below the limit in the left lane while people continue to pass on the right (which is illegal but they are being forced to do so because ass-car refuses to move to the right.)

Folks, you have the right go drive below the limit (when you aren't given a minimum to abide by) but not hold up others in doing so. If the cars are going to fast for you to manage in a safe manner, take public transportation.
 
2014-03-28 03:20:31 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Well, since you put it that way, I'll just have to say no, I don't. Apparently "many jurisdictions" confused and befuddled me.

So strike that whole first sentence and change it to "Meh, I don't know about "many," the Keep Right laws I'm familiar with... etc



Link
 
2014-03-28 03:20:46 PM

ReverendJynxed: SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

It's still illegal. But that's ok, you go on breaking the law because all that matters is you and what you get out of it right?

And no it really isn't a tough sell. If you can lie about the issue so can the other party. He swerved in front of me and cut me off.
I would have hit him harder if I wasn't watching for the inappropriate lane change. Prove you didn't.


This is why I have a dash cam.  No he said, she said.  It is also why I drive responsibly.
 
2014-03-28 03:21:45 PM

SmokinTrees: Falin:
the Keep Right laws exist for a reason, and when people disobey them, deliberately or not, they are causing a safety issue.

Please explain how driving in the right lane, when the left lane is open causes a safety issue.  Not trying to be a jerk here, I'd really like some insight from someone who is obviously well-versed in the law.


Assuming you mean please explain... LEFT lane:

Because you are contributing to road rage. It's against the law, you are trolling someone who could quite possibly be having a legitimate emergency, or someone who could be criminally aggressive. You are putting everyone around you at increased risk for an accident, no different than the aggressor is.
 
2014-03-28 03:23:25 PM
SmokinTrees:
/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

And that is the reason I run a dashcam...
 
2014-03-28 03:24:46 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: Conservative Humor: DROxINxTHExWIND: By my rankings, this thread just pushed this debate to number 2 on the list of Farker groups that loathe one another:

5. Jews vs Palestinians
4. Bicyclists vs Car drivers
3. Pro-life vs Pro-choice
2. Tailgaters vs Lane cloggers
1. Conservatives vs Liberals

You have Jews v. Palestinians ranked above gun grabbers v. gun nuts?

Jews v. Palestinians is really just American conservatives v. American liberals, seeing as not too many Jews and Palestinians frequent Fark.


Ouch, I meant Israelis and Palestinians

Grumble grumble Dro said it first
 
2014-03-28 03:27:26 PM

moike: SmokinTrees:
/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

And that is the reason I run a dashcam...


Dash cam won't help you there in Florida. We're a no-fault state. Driver in the rear is always at fault, although some cases where a person cut a driver off and then slammed brakes have been won under a "impeded right of way" defense.
 
2014-03-28 03:30:21 PM

ReverendJynxed: SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

It's still illegal. But that's ok, you go on breaking the law because all that matters is you and what you get out of it right?

And no it really isn't a tough sell. If you can lie about the issue so can the other party. He swerved in front of me and cut me off.
I would have hit him harder if I wasn't watching for the inappropriate lane change. Prove you didn't.


If you can't brake in time, then you should have been further back.  As an example, I was a passenger in a car accident that happened at a stop light.  The at-fault driver hit the car behind my buddy, who then hit him.  My buddy successfully sued the guy behind him and won.  I'm sure that THAT guy then sued the crap outta the guy that caused the accident in the first place, but the theory still holds true.  All of this is why Michigan is a no-fault state.  However, as the person who was struck from behind, in a court of law, I would win.  And yes, that is what matters when dealing with inconsiderate jerkwads who intimidate other drivers and make the roads an even more hazardous place.
Right, wrong, it's all relative.  Quote laws all you want, a judge will rarely, if ever, back the guy that rear-ends another car.
 
2014-03-28 03:30:28 PM

SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...


Why don't you just get over? I do, and I speed all the time. Why the need to block someone?
 
2014-03-28 03:33:47 PM

Falin: You still have to Keep Right Except to Pass even if you're going the speed limit (or faster) in Washington, though. It's the law.


In all fairness, it's actually keep right except to pass, turn left, are going faster that the flow of traffic or to allow a car to merge. She said she was going to be turning left, at some point. The law doesn't make clear how long you can hang around in the left lane if planning on turning left.
 
2014-03-28 03:34:51 PM

ReverendJynxed: SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

It's still illegal. But that's ok, you go on breaking the law because all that matters is you and what you get out of it right?

And no it really isn't a tough sell. If you can lie about the issue so can the other party. He swerved in front of me and cut me off.
I would have hit him harder if I wasn't watching for the inappropriate lane change. Prove you didn't.



You could say that, but unless there are witnesses or a dash cam, then the rear car is at fault due to Failing to Stop in an Assured Clear Distance, which is why there are scams doing just that.  Without massive proof the police aren't going to believe you, nor care.  it will be written up like  Unit 1 stopped, unit 2 couldn't, so unit 2 was following too closely.   Unless the insurance company notices a trend of the same accusations against the person the insurance of the rear car is going to pay end of story.
 
2014-03-28 03:37:06 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: Why don't you just get over? I do, and I speed all the time. Why the need to block someone?


That's what I don't get either. I routinely speed. I just as routinely get over when someone comes up behind me. Single lane, multi-lane, left lane, right lane, highway, surface street...I don't care. If conditions permit, you won't even know that it was you who caused me to move over, as I would have already noticed you closing on me and gotten out of your way. I pull into the right lane, the left lane, onto shoulders, side-streets, the center turn lane, whatever.

/Oh, and my link above may be a little outdated, as I found out that Maryland, for example, does have a law forbidding impeding traffic.
 
2014-03-28 03:37:07 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

Why don't you just get over? I do, and I speed all the time. Why the need to block someone?


I do!  All the time!  I despise traffic-blockers as much as the next person.  However, when I am passing other people on the road, like the woman in the video, or there simply is too much traffic and it'd be going out of my way and the jerk behind me continues to tailgate... well, that pisses me off and it's game on.  I never slam on my brakes, just tap them to flash the taillights.  Harmless.  If he can't take it and gets all road-ragey, that's his prerogative.

moike: SmokinTrees:
/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

And that is the reason I run a dashcam...


Which would also prove that you were tailgating me.
 
2014-03-28 03:38:25 PM
People sure get upset about other people's driving. Try to give them some room, relax, understand, laugh at some instant karma, and above all:

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2014-03-28 03:43:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Debate? Toilet paper should be rolled over for easier access. Anybody who would purposefully put toilet paper on a holder to be rolled under is an asshole who should not be trusted.


Of course you know this means war.
 
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2014-03-28 03:46:20 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Bf+: Gecko Gingrich: There are any number of reasons why someone may be in a rush that has absolutely nothing to do with what time they could have left.

Um... not in this universe?

My daughter's school bus comes at 7:41 in the morning. Unless you are suggesting that I leave a 5 year old alone to get herself ready and to the bus stop, I cannot leave before 7:41.

I cannot control the guy who decided to kill himself by jumping off the bridge I have to cross to get to work. Unless you're suggesting I leave two hours early every day, just in case some dude decides life just isn't worth living anymore.

If you will promise me that leaving 5 minutes early will guarantee that my house will never catch fire, or that my wife will never fall and break her leg, or that my dad won't ever have a stroke, then I will always leave five minutes early.

I know it's easy to just paint the other guy as 100% at fault for his predicament, allowing you to remove any feelings of empathy you might have, which then allow you to be a selfish, self-absorbed dick.



Well, that escalated quickly.
 
2014-03-28 03:46:40 PM

Nix Nightbird: I drive all across the state as part of my job, and I have determined the following:

If you aren't on freeway the whole time, continually going 15-20 mph over the speed limit during a 50-mile trip gets you to your destination approximately 2 minutes faster.

Two. Minutes.

...

Check your math.  At 15mph over on a 50 mile trip @55mph zone you are saving ~12 minutes.

Anyway if this was a freeway I would say the woman was equally in the wrong in a road rage incident but this was a road with left turns and you typically expect people to be in the lane they are going to turn out of.  I know her type and I have no doubt she would lie to make her position look more favorable.

The guy got what is coming to him and she is going to get the fame she wanted....from the internet in exactly the right way.
 
2014-03-28 03:51:03 PM

OregonVet: Falin: OregonVet: Falin: In even littler-boy words- You're wrong.

You are wrong. You are not allowed to speed. The entire law is written to cover circumstances when someone is under the limit. Not to mention in the video she is passing other vehicles while this guy is on her ass. Show me where speeding in the law is permitted and I'll yield. You won't.

Sorry man, you're just flat-out wrong on this one. The laws governing keeping right in this state do not take speed limit into account. Some states do have a law that specifically says that if you're going the speed limit you don't have to get over. Washington isn't one of them.

Here, the chances of you getting pulled over for going the speed limit in the left lane and not moving right for traffic are higher than the chances of you getting pulled over for going 5 over the limit. Cops around here know. They know which behavior causes more traffic and safety issues, so they target it.

If you're in the left lane here doing 65 in a 60 and some guy gets up on your ass because he wants to do 80, you're legally required to move over. Full stop.

Yes, he's a douche for getting on your ass, but you're just as much of a douche for not getting over.

Washington is one, douche.

46.61.425
Minimum speed regulation - Passing slow moving vehicle.
(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61&full=true#46.61.120 ">46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety.

In all fairness, the I added "b ...


i dont like to get into these fights, but do you know what you quoted has no bearing on what you're trying to prove?  that law just states that i can speed if i want to pass you on the left on a 1 lane (each direction) highway and you are going at most the speed limit.  It doesn't back up your point about speed limits and having to move right at all as this point is meant to clarify that you can still pass left into oncoming traffic, above the speed limit, when there is no opportunity for the slower driver to get right.

I don't think that's what you were trying to point out.

I'm not trying to pile on you, but when you make a point against someone in a thread, it's usually proper practice to understand what you are posting and to ensure that it is relevant to the topic at hand.  Nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong and moving on... but to be snarky, i guess that's also why you don't move to the right when someone wants to pass you.

 
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2014-03-28 03:52:54 PM
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2014-03-28 03:54:18 PM

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Well, that was the wrong thread...

Mods, could you kindly delete?
/Just kidding... Fark doesn't have Mods.
 
2014-03-28 03:57:23 PM
I'm thinking he was temporarily blinded once he got a good look at her.
 
2014-03-28 03:57:51 PM

SmokinTrees: Cerebral Ballsy: SmokinTrees: ReverendJynxed:

In many places deliberately checking someone makes you at fault regardless of how close they are.

That's not my first reaction.  Typically, I just let off the gas and coast down to the speed limit (like I said, I drive fast).  If I am still being tailed, then yes, I'll give the brakes a light tap.  Not enough to slow me down at all, but enough to flash the brake lights and make the bunghole of the person behind me tighten up a bit.

/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

Why don't you just get over? I do, and I speed all the time. Why the need to block someone?

I do!  All the time!  I despise traffic-blockers as much as the next person.  However, when I am passing other people on the road, like the woman in the video, or there simply is too much traffic and it'd be going out of my way and the jerk behind me continues to tailgate... well, that pisses me off and it's game on.  I never slam on my brakes, just tap them to flash the taillights.  Harmless.  If he can't take it and gets all road-ragey, that's his prerogative.

moike: SmokinTrees:
/Prove I brake-checked you after YOU slam into ME.  It's a tough sell to a cop...

And that is the reason I run a dashcam...

Which would also prove that you were tailgating me.


Obviously didn't read my earlier posts...

I don't tailgate.

But I have been cruising along in the right lane and had asshats change lanes into my safe buffer zone shaving my front bumper by inches and then slam on their brakes for no apparent reason at all.

So far years of practice braking vehicles right to the bleeding edge of control have saved my ass.  But the HD dashcam is a good secondary source of unquestionable truth if I do make contact with one of these morons.
 
2014-03-28 04:00:36 PM
there are only two types of drivers worse than left lane nazis.

people who break check you (regardless of lane) and people who try to high-beam you after you pass them.
 
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