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(UPI)   Secretary of State John Kerry reacts to Egypt's massive death sentence ruling: "Who the hell do you guys think you are, Texas?"   (upi.com) divider line 45
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2014-03-28 08:34:25 AM  
Anytime you are writing a letter asking for clemency and the letter begins with "Dear Field Marshal" -just give up all hope.
 
2014-03-28 08:50:24 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Anytime you are writing a letter asking for clemency and the letter begins with "Dear Field Marshal" -just give up all hope.


That's why you always start it with "Darling fascist bully-boy."
 
2014-03-28 09:08:04 AM  
Sure it sounds like a lot of people, but how many of them are mentally disabled?  How many of them are children?  I'd bet none.  So Texas can stand tall here, and still consider itself the shining beacon of death.
 
2014-03-28 09:18:22 AM  
Just tell Kerry it's an abortion clinic instead of a court, he'd be all fine with it then.
 
2014-03-28 09:20:37 AM  

OregonVet: Just tell Kerry it's an abortion clinic instead of a court, he'd be all fine with it then.


But then the Texans will be pissed.
 
2014-03-28 09:40:03 AM  
Between this and China putting to death more people than the entire world combined...wow...

As much as I may biatch and complain about the minor annoyances of the US government, occasionally corrupt politicians...I am so farking thankful that I live in the US.
 
2014-03-28 09:49:29 AM  
Would it make you feel better if they were simply killed by a drone without any trial at all?
 
2014-03-28 09:50:09 AM  
That's barbaric, what they should do is lock them in solitary confinement for decades like we would do.
 
2014-03-28 09:54:01 AM  
The USA has more people in prison on death row  than they do.  We do not have the moral high ground here.
 
2014-03-28 09:55:50 AM  
Given Kerry represents a country that convicts child soldiers of war crimes for using conventional weapons on armed and uniformed professional soldiers who are actively engaged in a planned assault on the child soldiers location, he's not exactly coming from the moral high ground.
 
2014-03-28 10:02:11 AM  
See I told you guys that the Muslim Brotherhood were bloodthirsty radicals that would use state sanctioned violence to get their way.

Oh hang on hrmmmmm
 
2014-03-28 10:12:22 AM  

Endive Wombat: Between this and China putting to death more people than the entire world combined...wow.


Wait, what? China has put 5.7 billion people to death?
 
2014-03-28 10:20:38 AM  
At least they are safe from the people they elected.
 
2014-03-28 10:29:22 AM  

Endive Wombat: Between this and China putting to death more people than the entire world combined...wow...

As much as I may biatch and complain about the minor annoyances of the US government, occasionally corrupt politicians...I am so farking thankful that I live in the US.


I have a tendency to bring up things like this with other countries when co-workers/friends try to get into the whole "the United States is the worse it's ever been" or "Obama will ruin this country forever" antics.

Me: "Oh no!  A law that was voted on by the people was deemed unconstitutional by a higher court, causing weeks/months of appeals and arguments, which lead to a non-violent conclusion!  That is just WAAAAAAY worse than mass graves, dictators and public executions."

/I will take our flawed system
//Over another countries farked up and sick systems
 
2014-03-28 10:35:29 AM  
Implementing Sharia law and its resulting blowback is a biatch.

Reactionaries come in many flavors. I'm sure the Israeli's are overjoyed to have an Egyptian military officer in charge of Egypt instead of that mean Muslim Brotherhood.

Say goodbye to the Suez.
 
2014-03-28 10:37:28 AM  

Mikey1969: Endive Wombat: Between this and China putting to death more people than the entire world combined...wow.

Wait, what? China has put 5.7 billion people to death?


in a row?
 
2014-03-28 10:37:57 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: See I told you guys that the Muslim Brotherhood were bloodthirsty radicals that would use state sanctioned violence to get their way.

Oh hang on hrmmmmm


Heh, I was going to post something similar. Yours is better.
 
2014-03-28 10:43:14 AM  
If conservatives had there way, the US would see things similar to this. I doubt on this large of a scale, but they wouldn't hesitate to execute entire groups of people.
 
2014-03-28 10:45:01 AM  

sprawl15: Mikey1969: Endive Wombat: Between this and China putting to death more people than the entire world combined...wow.

Wait, what? China has put 5.7 billion people to death?

in a row?


Try not to execute anyone on your way to the parking lot!
 
2014-03-28 10:49:10 AM  
REally, a government that came to power through a military coup and violently suppressed the opposition may not be providing fair trials for its opponents? I am shocked.
 
2014-03-28 10:52:04 AM  
Considering what happened the last time Egypt let a bunch of death row prisoners off, I'd just as soon turn a blind eye to this.

/It's their revolution, after all.
 
2014-03-28 10:57:49 AM  
they should have sentenced them to build a giant pyramid and then the last brick they put in completes their new prison for life...moooohoooohaha! mooohoohaha!
 
2014-03-28 11:00:32 AM  

OregonVet: Just tell Kerry it's an abortion clinic instead of a court, he'd be all fine with it then.


Bless your heart.
 
2014-03-28 11:06:13 AM  
Before we sentence the deceased, I mean defendant, I think we had better hear from the prosecution.
 
2014-03-28 11:08:51 AM  
Texas could only dream of killing this many Muslims.
 
2014-03-28 11:09:26 AM  
Yeah... multiple death sentences in a single trial with no appeals taking less than a week isn't really something you can even joke about being similar to anything that happens in US courts ever, subby.  I mean, I'm not the worlds most politically correct man in the universe but what the fark is wrong with you?


Marcus Aurelius: Sure it sounds like a lot of people, but how many of them are mentally disabled?  How many of them are children?  I'd bet none.  So Texas can stand tall here, and still consider itself the shining beacon of death.


People that were minors at the time the relevant crime was committed are immune to the death penalty in the entirety of the US, and mental disability doesn't magically make you immune to the consequences of your actions or magically not a threat to public safety  anywhere.

So I'm not really sure where you're going with this, unless your point is that you're cripplingly stupid or don't understand what the judicial system does or something.
 
2014-03-28 11:15:18 AM  

wildcardjack: Before we sentence the deceased, I mean defendant, I think we had better hear from the prosecution.


He worked so hard on that line, thanks to Hugh Bloody Laurie. Probably NSFW. Runs from about 1:10 to about 2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQd7iciu_SY

Probably NSFW
 
2014-03-28 11:16:21 AM  

Fart_Machine: Texas could only dream of killing this many Muslims.


That's what I came to say. But they keep their cell size small so you can't pick off more than five at a time, even on Fridays at their mosques.
 
2014-03-28 11:16:32 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: See I told you guys that the Muslim Brotherhood were bloodthirsty radicals that would use state sanctioned violence to get their way.


Oh no, the MB will never use violence of any sort to get their way.
You're still under the ridiculous romantic black and white notion of 'Muslim Brotherhood were the torch bearers of modern democracy in Egypt!' even when the facts were presented to you over and over again. Other farker thought you were insane, i think you're just naively misguided.
 
2014-03-28 11:19:38 AM  

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: See I told you guys that the Muslim Brotherhood were bloodthirsty radicals that would use state sanctioned violence to get their way.

Oh no, the MB will never use violence of any sort to get their way.
You're still under the ridiculous romantic black and white notion of 'Muslim Brotherhood were the torch bearers of modern democracy in Egypt!' even when the facts were presented to you over and over again. Other farker thought you were insane, i think you're just naively misguided.


Listen, this is going great for you, no need to gloat. Not only did you get to support a military coup to topple a democratically elected government, they're now ordering mass executions for people that you despise. How do you want them to die? What's your preferred method?
 
2014-03-28 11:26:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: no need to gloat. Not only did you get to support a military coup to topple a democratically elected government


I didn't, as i already pointed it out to you. Why do you keep lying about this ?

HotWingConspiracy: they're now ordering mass executions for people that you despise


So you didn't outgrow your stupidity. Figures.
This is not rocket science: both sides are bad, this is not black and white.

Now explain to me how grabbing dictatorial power is democratic.
 
2014-03-28 11:31:27 AM  

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: no need to gloat. Not only did you get to support a military coup to topple a democratically elected government

I didn't, as i already pointed it out to you. Why do you keep lying about this ?


Why do you keep lying about preferring it this way?

HotWingConspiracy: they're now ordering mass executions for people that you despise

So you didn't outgrow your stupidity. Figures.
This is not rocket science: both sides are bad, this is not black and white.


But again, you prefer it this way. Suits your sensibilities juuuust fine.

Now explain to me how grabbing dictatorial power is democratic.

You cannot spin away the fact that a democratically elected government was toppled by a military coup. Then just as I said would happen, they outlawed their only viable political opposition, and sur-farking-prize, a general is now "running" for president. Mass executions weren't on my radar, but here we are.
 
2014-03-28 11:46:49 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: You cannot spin away the fact that a democratically elected government was toppled by a military coup.


Sure, but I don't know what you tell protest crowds calling for it that were larger than the ones just to oust Mubarak. Pretty easy when you're on the other side of the globe to say "HAR HAR TOUGH SHIAT YOU VOTED HIM IN".

The entire situation is a clusterfark. Period. No goddamn need to no "neener neeener" about it, regardless of what side you're on.
 
2014-03-28 11:52:50 AM  

Killer Cars: HotWingConspiracy: You cannot spin away the fact that a democratically elected government was toppled by a military coup.

Sure, but I don't know what you tell protest crowds calling for it that were larger than the ones just to oust Mubarak.


Indeed, the military junta was quite skilled at organizing those. Though I guess it was nice of them to give Morsi 48 hours to fix the nation before illegally deposing him.
 
2014-03-28 11:59:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you keep lying about preferring it this way?


I ask again: show me where i supported the military. Especially when i said the exact opposite.
Seriously, why do you lie about this ? i don't get it.

HotWingConspiracy: But again, you prefer it this way. Suits your sensibilities juuuust fine.


Which part of 'both options suck' are you too stupid to understand ? It was the Egyptian public who got out in the streets against the MB as i already explained this to you several times.

HotWingConspiracy: You cannot spin away the fact that a democratically elected government was toppled by a military coup. Then just as I said would happen, they outlawed their only viable political opposition, and sur-farking-prize, a general is now "running" for president. Mass executions weren't on my radar, but here we are.


You still fail to grasp the part that the elected government was not being very democratic. Interesting. I ask again, which part of "grabbing dictatorial power" sounds democratic to you ?

Who is spinning anything ? How stupid you must be to not understand that both options are bad ? as already explained to you in detail, the Egyptian people know this, so they seem to have chosen what they deem to be the lesser of two evils.
 
2014-03-28 12:21:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Would it make you feel better if they were simply killed by a drone without any trial at all?


Hey, they're bad people, we have evidence that proves it.

No, you can't see the evidence.  It's a secret.
 
2014-03-28 12:28:50 PM  

TappingTheVein: the Egyptian people know this, so they seem to have chosen what they deem to be the lesser of two evils.


I can find millions of Egyptians that know you're full of this on this.

So would you prefer they die slowly? You're not shy about your abject hatred of them.
 
2014-03-28 12:40:57 PM  

Jim_Callahan: So I'm not really sure where you're going with this


That means you're cripplingly stupid.
 
2014-03-28 12:50:50 PM  
Why does this thread remind me of that Scientology exposed documentary I watched?

/Push MY buttons? I'll you show you WHOSE buttons are gonna get pushed!
 
2014-03-28 01:03:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I can find millions of Egyptians that know you're full of this on this


Tell it to these guys. You know, the ones you repeatedly ignored so far.
And by all means, find me these millions.

HotWingConspiracy: So would you prefer they die slowly? You're not shy about your abject hatred of them.


Well, at least you stopped lying about me supporting their military.
You ignored the 'both sides are bad' bit but one out of two ain't bad for the comprehension challenged.

Lets try again: which part of "grabbing dictatorial power" sounds democratic to you ? you seem to be having a lot of difficulty with this one for some reason.
 
2014-03-28 01:04:29 PM  
Basically, here's what happened:

1. There was a revolution in Egypt due to the shiatty government they had.
2. The new government was as shiatty as the previous one, just in slightly different ways.
3. There was a revolution in Egypt due to the shiatty government they had.
4. The new government was as shiatty as the previous one, just in slightly different ways.
 
2014-03-28 01:04:57 PM  
Evil is on the march throughout the world.
 
2014-03-28 01:12:41 PM  
It used to be that when you wanted some onerous worldview eliminated you just went and killed everyone who held it and that was that.  Since civilized society frowns on such things, it's become really difficult to eliminate crazy worldview stuff.

Think about this:

If you took everyone who believed that women are second class citizens and killed them all, then that viewpoint would simply be gone and there would be equality.  At first because people would be afraid to take up such an oppressed view, but in time because they would see how stupid a view it was.

The problem is that you could apply this to anything...and groups try.  Don't believe in a certain magical sky being?  That's death...
 
2014-03-28 01:26:24 PM  

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: I can find millions of Egyptians that know you're full of this on this

Tell it to these guys. You know, the ones you repeatedly ignored so far.
And by all means, find me these millions.


500 of them are currently looking at a death sentence. You're honestly contending that Egyptians have a hive mind and they've decided en masse that military dictatorship is for them? The amount of cherry picking of news sources you need to do to keep this bullshiat straight in your mind is something of a feat. 

HotWingConspiracy: So would you prefer they die slowly? You're not shy about your abject hatred of them.

Well, at least you stopped lying about me supporting their military.


So you just simultaneously praise them for taking out Muslim leadership (and let's be honest, that's your real issue), and you also really hate that they took out Muslim leadership in a coup.

You ignored the 'both sides are bad' bit but one out of two ain't bad for the comprehension challenged.

Lets try again: which part of "grabbing dictatorial power" sounds democratic to you?


It's like you're reading a press release from every military dictator that ever existed. Savior of the people, they are.

 you seem to be having a lot of difficulty with this one for some reason.

What part of "military coup illegally deposed a democratically elected government" don't you get?  You seem to be having a lot of difficulty with this one for some reason.
 
2014-03-28 01:50:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: 500 of them are currently looking at a death sentence.


Interesting interpretation for 'millions'.

HotWingConspiracy: You're honestly contending that Egyptians have a hive mind and they've decided en masse that military dictatorship is for them?


No, i'm saying that both options suck, pay attention because you seem to skip this part for 5 times now. The last major demonstrations were against the MB because Morsi did this, there was major discontent among the Egyptian people, as in many many people, how hard is it to understand this ? i honestly don't get it.

HotWingConspiracy: The amount of cherry picking of news sources you need to do to keep this bullshiat straight in your mind is something of a feat.


Are you farking kidding ? every major news source covered the anti-Morsi demonstrations, CNN and Al-Jazeera is cherry picking sources ? Do you want it in BBC flavor ? how low do you have to be to lie to yourself about this ?

HotWingConspiracy: So you just simultaneously praise them for taking out Muslim leadership (and let's be honest, that's your real issue), and you also really hate that they took out Muslim leadership in a coup.


You're lying again. Show me where i praised them, just once. I hate what ? what the fark are you talking about ? i simply pointed out that both sides are craptastic, your benevolent MB and the military dictatorship, i spelled it out for you, several times, what the fark is wrong with you ?

HotWingConspiracy: It's like you're reading a press release from every military dictator that ever existed. Savior of the people, they are.


I never said they were. i called them for what they are, oppressive ruthless military dictatorship. You simply chose to ignore it. Again.

HotWingConspiracy: hat part of "military coup illegally deposed a democratically elected government" don't you get?


Seriously, you were dropped on your head as a child ? of course there was a military takeover, i never said there wasn't, Unlike you i know that the MB were not the pillars of democracy that you see in your delusional fantasies. It's a fact, deal with it.

I ask again, 5th time: which part of "grabbing dictatorial power" sounds democratic to you ? you seem to be having a lot of difficulty with this one for some reason.
 
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