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(Politico)   GOP: Ignore that whole caring about the poor thing and not being a hardass on gays. The Pope is totally one of us   (politico.com) divider line 74
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2014-03-28 08:46:59 AM  
Gingrich, for his part, says Francis was trying to strike a middle ground between Marxism and unregulated capitalism, something the church has tried to do for decades.
He says Francis's comments have been "wildly misinterpreted by liberals who are always eager to find the church no longer being the church, but in fact ... there's no major area of church doctrine on which the pope has made a change."


Maybe the Pope understands the early church was a bunch of Marxists?

Acts 4:32-35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
 
2014-03-28 09:11:54 AM  
How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...
 
2014-03-28 09:12:53 AM  
But many big-name conservative Catholics say Francis is no liberal, only painted as one by a biased media that wants a liberal Holy See alliance - even though it doesn't exist.

Sorry GOP.  My own lying eyes agree with what the liberal driveby MSM is saying.

Oh, and many of your own members agree, too.  Nice try though.

/even though it isn't, and is rather weak
 
2014-03-28 09:15:36 AM  

hubiestubert: How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...


I think that's the key here.  He is who he is.  And it's ridiculous for us to try and hammer him into the insane political mold of our politics.

I wasn't claiming he was liberal or conservative in my last post.  Merely holding the GOP to their prior statements about the man.  They're playing their favorite game here - "Things are what we say they are, because we say they are that way."
 
2014-03-28 09:21:25 AM  
Why doesn't anyone ask Newt about what the Catholic doctrine is concerning ... I don't know... DIVORCE.

Yeah, It is a tough doctrine but ole Newt apparently converted with 2.  That means he had to get the first annulled because otherwise -- NO WINE FOR YOU!

I can't stand it when Newt talks morals.  Defense of Marriage???   By my score card Newt's current body count is two!

Ahhh, nevermind.  Nobody cares anyway.
 
2014-03-28 09:34:58 AM  

gunslinger_RG: Why doesn't anyone ask Newt about what the Catholic doctrine is concerning ... I don't know... DIVORCE.

Yeah, It is a tough doctrine but ole Newt apparently converted with 2.  That means he had to get the first annulled because otherwise -- NO WINE FOR YOU!

I can't stand it when Newt talks morals.  Defense of Marriage???   By my score card Newt's current body count is two!

Ahhh, nevermind.  Nobody cares anyway.


I love how he's cast in the article as a "big-name conservative Catholics."

Converted in like, what, his 60s?  With so much bad moral baggage 1000 rent boys couldn't carry?
 
2014-03-28 09:36:55 AM  

hubiestubert: How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...


I would argue that, for the Catholic Church, he's a liberal.  You're right that's a different scale than American politics though, there's no easy alliance between Pope Francis and the Democratic Party.  But if you're going to look at absolute positioning on those two different spectrums, Francis and the Democrats are both liberals.

Your second paragraph though is spot on, but they're going so far as to deny some of the things that Francis says and does just to make the claim that he's on the conservative team.
 
2014-03-28 09:39:43 AM  
I wasn't expecting that. : /
 
2014-03-28 09:41:15 AM  

hubiestubert: How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...


Italian?
 
2014-03-28 09:44:56 AM  
cdn.videogum.com

One of us! One of us!
 
2014-03-28 09:46:02 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Italian?


You know you're right. I did forget that he's an Argentine. That is my mistake in looking only at his birth name and making the assumption. Mea culpa.
 
2014-03-28 09:46:11 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Italian?


person from italy
 
2014-03-28 09:46:27 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: hubiestubert: How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...

Italian?


Born in Argentina, but he's 100% italian by blood
 
2014-03-28 09:48:56 AM  

sprawl15: thismomentinblackhistory: Italian?

person from italy


lulz
 
2014-03-28 09:49:13 AM  

gunslinger_RG: Why doesn't anyone ask Newt about what the Catholic doctrine is concerning ... I don't know... DIVORCE.

Yeah, It is a tough doctrine but ole Newt apparently converted with 2.  That means he had to get the first annulled because otherwise -- NO WINE FOR YOU!

I can't stand it when Newt talks morals.  Defense of Marriage???   By my score card Newt's current body count is two!

Ahhh, nevermind.  Nobody cares anyway.


He loves marriage so much that he couldn't just settle for one.
 
2014-03-28 09:49:16 AM  

sprawl15: thismomentinblackhistory: Italian?

person from italy


but that's not important right now
 
2014-03-28 09:49:58 AM  

CPennypacker: thismomentinblackhistory: hubiestubert: How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...

Italian?

Born in Argentina, but he's 100% italian by blood


Interesting, I didn't know that. His focus certainly seems to be on what could be described as the biggest "emerging market" for Catholicism, though, South America.
 
2014-03-28 09:51:07 AM  
Bunch of hypocrites
 
2014-03-28 09:57:03 AM  
 
2014-03-28 09:57:55 AM  
Republican Study Committee Chair Steve Scalise (R-La.) has his own interpretation: "When the pope talks about poverty and hunger, he's trying to help the Third World's standard of living, but the American economy has actually led the way in helping people get out of poverty, not just in America, but all across the world."

Ignoring, of course, that American poverty levels are at their highest since the Great Depression, wages of middle class families have stagnated over 30 years, and we have a record number of people on food stamps.  But other than that, we're doing just great.
 
2014-03-28 10:05:12 AM  
"Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice," Francis wrote. "This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."
When asked about the pope's comments, most Republicans waved them off.
"Those were taken out of context," quipped Catholic Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) before running into the chamber earlier this week.


Hahaha oh wow. The dude is from Agrentina, he know all about the failures of capitalism and the lies of capitalist money men.

Best just hang your hat on abortion, because he's not even on board with hating gay people.
 
2014-03-28 10:10:24 AM  
Republicans are you guys ever right about anything?
 
2014-03-28 10:20:10 AM  

Dog Welder: Republican Study Committee Chair Steve Scalise (R-La.) has his own interpretation: "When the pope talks about poverty and hunger, he's trying to help the Third World's standard of living, but the American economy has actually led the way in helping people get out of poverty, not just in America, but all across the world."

Ignoring, of course, that American poverty levels are at their highest since the Great Depression, wages of middle class families have stagnated over 30 years, and we have a record number of people on food stamps.  But other than that, we're doing just great.


Well, they'll solve that by ending food stamps.  Then there will be no one on food stamps.  Voila!
 
2014-03-28 10:25:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice," Francis wrote. "This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."
When asked about the pope's comments, most Republicans waved them off.
"Those were taken out of context," quipped Catholic Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) before running into the chamber earlier this week.

Hahaha oh wow. The dude is from Agrentina, he know all about the failures of capitalism and the lies of capitalist money men.

Best just hang your hat on abortion, because he's not even on board with hating gay people.


Yep, this long paragraph was taken out of context!!! But "You didn't built that", was totally in context. Yep.
 
2014-03-28 10:28:51 AM  

MindStalker: HotWingConspiracy: "Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice," Francis wrote. "This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."
When asked about the pope's comments, most Republicans waved them off.
"Those were taken out of context," quipped Catholic Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) before running into the chamber earlier this week.

Hahaha oh wow. The dude is from Agrentina, he know all about the failures of capitalism and the lies of capitalist money men.

Best just hang your hat on abortion, because he's not even on board with hating gay people.

Yep, this long paragraph was taken out of context!!! But "You didn't built that", was totally in context. Yep.


To be fair, that was Virginia Foxx.  She's actually a turd Satan shiat when he was first cast out of Heaven, and the human world is incapable of flushing.
 
2014-03-28 10:30:58 AM  

gunslinger_RG: By my score card Newt's current body count is two!


That's one more than Scott Peterson!
 
2014-03-28 10:32:30 AM  
So basically the GOP is saying because the Pope is pro-life he is Republican even though Pope Francis has specifically said the Catholic church needs to stop focusing on the abortion and gay issues.
Having Newt in the article is just for the LULZ,  3 divorces and a trail of infidelity...
 
2014-03-28 10:34:17 AM  

Conservative Humor: gunslinger_RG: By my score card Newt's current body count is two!

That's one more than Scott Peterson!


And tied with Drew Peterson

/although technically Scott killed his son too
 
2014-03-28 10:34:48 AM  

SphericalTime: they're going so far as to deny some of the things that Francis says and does just to make the claim that he's on the conservative team.


Naaah... The conservatives would NEVER discount the biggest part of an important and respected leader's message to claim that he was actually a Conservative!

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com

 
2014-03-28 10:40:05 AM  
GOP- "The Pope is one of us."

The Pope is an a**hole?
 
2014-03-28 10:43:37 AM  
Pope John Paul II, a favorite among Republicans for his work with Ronald Reagan on toppling Marxism


They what now?
 
2014-03-28 10:48:07 AM  

Ilmarinen: Pope John Paul II, a favorite among Republicans for his work with Ronald Reagan on toppling Marxism


They what now?


Conflating Socialism and Communism ranks up there with one of the greatest triumphs of messaging of modern Conservatism. It's even better than conflating Iraq and 9/11.
 
2014-03-28 10:51:31 AM  
Democrats believe Pope Francis is their guy

I think only the Right-Wing media thinks this.
 
2014-03-28 10:53:05 AM  

ox45tallboy: Conflating Socialism and Communism ranks up there with one of the greatest triumphs of messaging of modern Conservatism.


socialism is a required step on the path to communism and glorious revolution

if you don't know this by now there isn't much that can save you from the fema camps when the time comes
 
2014-03-28 10:58:03 AM  
They are right that the Pope hasn't changed any of the Church's positions, however, they ignore that he has been working to shift the focus from social issues (such as abortion and the gays) where the Church lies far to the right to economic and social justice ones where the Church's positions have long aligned more with the left.
 
2014-03-28 11:00:34 AM  
Until the Pope renounces all the non-scientific bullshiat of the Catholic Church, he's still the problem.
 
2014-03-28 11:01:40 AM  
"If I were Pope Francis, I would ask [Fuggin Bizzy]: When did your life begin?" said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)

Honestly? I'd say my life began around 1978 or so. I was born in 1973, but my earliest memories are from 1978-ish.

/Oh wait, I was supposed to say "conception" wasn't I? I don't recall being conceived. Or born, for that matter.
 
2014-03-28 11:07:09 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: "If I were Pope Francis, I would ask [Fuggin Bizzy]: When did your life begin?" said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)

Honestly? I'd say my life began around 1978 or so. I was born in 1973, but my earliest memories are from 1978-ish.

/Oh wait, I was supposed to say "conception" wasn't I? I don't recall being conceived. Or born, for that matter.


The question is a little tougher for King, as his species reproduces through spores.
 
2014-03-28 11:08:59 AM  
Lincoln was a republican!

i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-28 11:11:35 AM  

DarkLancelot: Dog Welder: Republican Study Committee Chair Steve Scalise (R-La.) has his own interpretation: "When the pope talks about poverty and hunger, he's trying to help the Third World's standard of living, but the American economy has actually led the way in helping people get out of poverty, not just in America, but all across the world."

Ignoring, of course, that American poverty levels are at their highest since the Great Depression, wages of middle class families have stagnated over 30 years, and we have a record number of people on food stamps.  But other than that, we're doing just great.

Well, they'll solve that by ending food stamps.  Then there will be no one on food stamps.  Voila!


I like the cut of your jib, sir!  Perhaps you should run for Congress.
 
2014-03-28 11:24:49 AM  

physt: Until the Pope renounces all the non-scientific bullshiat of the Catholic Church, he's still the problem

a Republican

FTFY
 
2014-03-28 11:29:47 AM  

hubiestubert: How about he's an Italian Jesuit, and his political leanings are somewhat different on a scale that American politics play out, and he's become the head of a massive Church that has been listing from scandal, corruption, and a comfort in that edifice that has eroded the faith of many, and he's attempting to set that ship back to true, by doing what he can to restore the Mother Church that he so loved that he joined her ranks?

In this case: folks are trying like Hells to "discredit" the fact that this Pope has growing popularity with folks that they themselves dislike, and rather than celebrate that some may return to the Church, or at least find her less objectionable, folks are in a hissy about folks liking stuff that they like. It's like a case of hipsterism has infected American Conservatives, and are insisting that they were waaaaaay into Catholicism before it was "cool."

And yeah, it's about as sad as ironically drinking PBR in a golf shirt, you morons...


This is why I always drink PBR shirtless.
 
2014-03-28 11:34:57 AM  

Dog Welder: Republican Study Committee Chair Steve Scalise (R-La.) has his own interpretation: "When the pope talks about poverty and hunger, he's trying to help the Third World's standard of living, but the American economy has actually led the way in helping people get out of poverty, not just in America, but all across the world."

Ignoring, of course, that American poverty levels are at their highest since the Great Depression, wages of middle class families have stagnated over 30 years, and we have a record number of people on food stamps.  But other than that, we're doing just great.


We did have the worlds finest health care system before Obama Cared.
 
2014-03-28 11:35:26 AM  
The Pope is neither Democrat or Republican.  He's a Franciscan.

/ republicans suck
 
2014-03-28 11:36:46 AM  
On certain issues, such as gay marriage and abortion, the Catholic Church is conservative.

On many other issues, the Catholic Church is far to the left: access to medical care being declared a human right, speaking out against the death penalty, clearly stating that labor has the right to organize, denouncing unregulated capitalism, etc.

The problem with Republican Catholics is that they will point out that many of those issues are not dogma, therefore they don't have to believe them. Then they call other people cafeteria Catholics for not concerning themselves with what adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom.

People like Paul Ryan and Newt Gingrich are Republican first, Catholic second.
 
2014-03-28 11:53:14 AM  

sprawl15: ox45tallboy: Conflating Socialism and Communism ranks up there with one of the greatest triumphs of messaging of modern Conservatism.

socialism is a required step on the path to communism and glorious revolution

if you don't know this by now there isn't much that can save you from the fema camps when the time comes


Do FEMA camps have Obamacare?
 
2014-03-28 11:56:57 AM  

dennysgod: Democrats believe Pope Francis is their guy

I think only the Right-Wing media thinks this.


Dude, seriously? If you don't hate liberals then you are one.
 
2014-03-28 12:11:26 PM  

ox45tallboy: sprawl15: ox45tallboy: Conflating Socialism and Communism ranks up there with one of the greatest triumphs of messaging of modern Conservatism.

socialism is a required step on the path to communism and glorious revolution

if you don't know this by now there isn't much that can save you from the fema camps when the time comes

Do FEMA camps have Obamacare?


Only the death panels.

// they catch the setting sunlight better than wood
 
2014-03-28 12:13:37 PM  

snowshovel: Dog Welder: Republican Study Committee Chair Steve Scalise (R-La.) has his own interpretation: "When the pope talks about poverty and hunger, he's trying to help the Third World's standard of living, but the American economy has actually led the way in helping people get out of poverty, not just in America, but all across the world."

Ignoring, of course, that American poverty levels are at their highest since the Great Depression, wages of middle class families have stagnated over 30 years, and we have a record number of people on food stamps.  But other than that, we're doing just great.

We did have the worlds finest health care system before Obama Cared.


wut
 
2014-03-28 12:14:34 PM  
Newt on the NYT: "The New York Times has been relentlessly anti-Catholic for most of the modern era, so the fact that they distort the pope is nothing new. It's the American media."

Yeah, surprising that the GOP once again is pointing to the NYT as a bastion of anti-catholicism, since catholics have self identified with Democrats/liberals on every issue except abortion and contraception since pretty much forever, Just more of the same old GOP bullshiat blame shifting and bizarro world view.Sure there was the NYT bashing on the sex crime coverups and corruptuon in the Vatican, that's what they do, the only reason the GOP gives a rats ass is because they were hoping to use that as a wedge issue to split catholics from the Democrat party, good luck with that
 
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