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(Talking Points Memo)   The damaging details in the Christie Papers   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 31
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2014-03-28 09:15:26 AM
From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.
 
2014-03-28 09:19:21 AM

Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.


Yes, that's it. Exactly. Then you add in that he was cleared of any wrongdoing by a team of crack investigators he hired, and it really starts to look like this is just sour grapes by some Dimocraps.
 
2014-03-28 09:22:32 AM
Hm, alright. I can believe Christie was incompetent rather than malicious in this instance.
 
2014-03-28 09:25:51 AM
I wonder if Christie actually thinks his press conference today announcing he has been cleared by the investigation team HE hired is going to magically make this go away. Looks like he is playing with fire to me. At the very least it injects it back into the news cycle. The talking heads are getting bored with missing planes and just might give this a little more attention than Christie might want. Add to that the ongoing federal inquiry and he may just be digging a deeper hole.
 
2014-03-28 09:30:53 AM

qorkfiend: Hm, alright. I can believe Christie was incompetent rather than malicious in this instance.


Incompetent at a coverup, sure. Seriously, he expected people to buy that he didn't hear about a major news story IN HIS OWN STATE until months after the fact? He expects people to just accept that the investigators he hired "cleared" him?
 
2014-03-28 09:32:30 AM

Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.


Um. What?
 
2014-03-28 09:46:57 AM
The thing that stands out to me is that even his own investigative team made this transition from him never being told about it to "does not recall" being told about it.
 
2014-03-28 09:49:13 AM

Nemosomen: Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.

Um. What?


Seriously, The Usual Democratic Yakuza Is Too Occupied Under This paper chase to actually care about doing right for New Jersey.
 
2014-03-28 09:53:22 AM

Aar1012: Nemosomen: Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.

Um. What?

Seriously, The Usual Democratic Yakuza Is Too Occupied Under This paper chase to actually care about doing right for New Jersey.


Did you think that was MORE clear or less? Because what the actual fark.
 
2014-03-28 09:54:49 AM
Oh farking hell.
 
2014-03-28 10:00:21 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Oh farking hell.


See my point?
 
2014-03-28 10:14:40 AM
The "damaging detail" TPM is so excited about is that the guy suggested to Christie there was a traffic issue? What the fark? The damaging detail is that this clusterfark was orchestrated by people in his administration and it has already pretty much put a fork in his presidential ambitions.

TPM tries so hard sometimes.
 
2014-03-28 10:22:39 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Aar1012: Nemosomen: Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.

Um. What?

Seriously, The Usual Democratic Yakuza Is Too Occupied Under This paper chase to actually care about doing right for New Jersey.

Did you think that was MORE clear or less? Because what the actual fark.


patdollard.com
 
2014-03-28 10:38:30 AM
People who don't like Christie will say this is a cover up but the apparent evidence says otherwise. One more BS conspiracy theory.
 
2014-03-28 10:44:52 AM

Whodat: the apparent evidence


What apparent evidence? The complete whitewash ginned up by lawyers that Christie hired?

Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.
 
2014-03-28 10:54:45 AM

Whodat: People who don't like Christie will say this is a cover up but the apparent evidence says otherwise. One more BS conspiracy theory.


Did you even look at the link?

Christie's own report says that he was told about the traffic issues as it was happening, but the Governor simply doesn't recall the conversation.

So it's a non-denial, denial.
 
2014-03-28 11:06:19 AM

thornhill: Whodat: People who don't like Christie will say this is a cover up but the apparent evidence says otherwise. One more BS conspiracy theory.

Did you even look at the link?

Christie's own report says that he was told about the traffic issues as it was happening, but the Governor simply doesn't recall the conversation.

So it's a non-denial, denial.


So, the conversation went like this:

Aide: Governor, there are traffic issues on the bridge.
Christie: Ah, orchestrated by you and my other aides as payback to some Democrat who had the unmitigated gall to not fully support me in my rubber-stamp re-election effort. Is that what you're saying?
Aide: Ummmmm
Christie: Boy, I will never recall this conversation.
 
2014-03-28 11:09:16 AM
Christie's own constituents paid $1 million of public money for this sham of a report put together by some of Christie's best vacation buddies to whitewash the whole issue.  They didn't even bother to try to interview any of the key players, they just concluded no wrongdoing on the part of the Governor based on irrelevant data.

Fiscal conservatism doing it's thing.
 
2014-03-28 11:09:37 AM

sammyk: I wonder if Christie actually thinks his press conference today announcing he has been cleared by the investigation team HE hired is going to magically make this go away. Looks like he is playing with fire to me. At the very least it injects it back into the news cycle. The talking heads are getting bored with missing planes and just might give this a little more attention than Christie might want. Add to that the ongoing federal inquiry and he may just be digging a deeper hole.


Also, isn't his defense essentially, "I'm not corrupt, I just have no control over the people I hire and appoint."?
 
2014-03-28 11:21:26 AM
I'd say he's such a pathetic little man but...well..he's not little.
 
2014-03-28 11:34:38 AM

grumpfuff: I'd say he's such a pathetic little man but...well..he's not little.



I think he just thought himself to be above the law. It probably started with getting away with little things and slowly grew until he got too big for his britches.
 
2014-03-28 11:35:23 AM

Aar1012: Nemosomen: Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.

Um. What?

Seriously, The Usual Democratic Yakuza Is Too Occupied Under This paper chase to actually care about doing right for New Jersey.


I was going to respond to this, but then I read your profile, which outlines everything I would have said in detail.
 
2014-03-28 11:41:37 AM

Cletus C.: thornhill: Whodat: People who don't like Christie will say this is a cover up but the apparent evidence says otherwise. One more BS conspiracy theory.

Did you even look at the link?

Christie's own report says that he was told about the traffic issues as it was happening, but the Governor simply doesn't recall the conversation.

So it's a non-denial, denial.

So, the conversation went like this:

Aide: Governor, there are traffic issues on the bridge.
Christie: Ah, orchestrated by you and my other aides as payback to some Democrat who had the unmitigated gall to not fully support me in my rubber-stamp re-election effort. Is that what you're saying?
Aide: Ummmmm
Christie: Boy, I will never recall this conversation.


Why would the person who orchestrated the lane closures bring up the traffic on the GW and not take some kind of credit?
 
2014-03-28 11:44:12 AM

ckccfa: sammyk: I wonder if Christie actually thinks his press conference today announcing he has been cleared by the investigation team HE hired is going to magically make this go away. Looks like he is playing with fire to me. At the very least it injects it back into the news cycle. The talking heads are getting bored with missing planes and just might give this a little more attention than Christie might want. Add to that the ongoing federal inquiry and he may just be digging a deeper hole.

Also, isn't his defense essentially, "I'm not corrupt, I just have no control over the people I hire and appoint."?


That is pretty much all he has now.  Clearly, he had at the very least several rogue people in his administration who thought that Christie wouldn't get mad if he found out that they had used the power of the state to hamstring an entire city for some reason (that I still have no idea).

So I can only see two endings here... A) He is a corrupt NJ politician (not really uncommon) B) He is a towering buffoon of a leader who can't even manage his own hand picked staff.  There is no third alternative.

Yeee Haaa Christie 2016 Because we no longer give a damn.
 
2014-03-28 11:51:18 AM

thornhill: Cletus C.: thornhill: Whodat: People who don't like Christie will say this is a cover up but the apparent evidence says otherwise. One more BS conspiracy theory.

Did you even look at the link?

Christie's own report says that he was told about the traffic issues as it was happening, but the Governor simply doesn't recall the conversation.

So it's a non-denial, denial.

So, the conversation went like this:

Aide: Governor, there are traffic issues on the bridge.
Christie: Ah, orchestrated by you and my other aides as payback to some Democrat who had the unmitigated gall to not fully support me in my rubber-stamp re-election effort. Is that what you're saying?
Aide: That is correct, governor. I have employed dirty tricks on your behalf.
Christie: You're my boy, Blue.
Aide: Thank you, sir.
Christie: It is a pity I will never recall this conversation.

Why would the person who orchestrated the lane closures bring up the traffic on the GW and not take some kind of credit?


OK, revised for that.
 
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2014-03-28 11:55:04 AM

Aar1012: Seriously, The Usual Democratic Yakuza Is Too Occupied Under This paper chase to actually care about doing right for New Jersey.


huh? is that some sort of acronym or something... oooohhh. nice.

STUDYITOUT
 
2014-03-28 11:58:04 AM

Aar1012: The Usual Democratic Yakuza Is Too Occupied Under This ....


Why is that all capitalized? Is that some kind of band name?
 
2014-03-28 12:27:48 PM

Nemosomen: Aar1012: From what I have seen in the papers, most of the serious acqusations come from conflicts between the Governor and the democrats. Obviously, if the NJ Democrats would stop holding up the Governor's policies (and then try to blame it on him) then these messes wouldn't exist.

Um. What?


Forget it, Jake, it's Trolltown.
 
2014-03-28 01:07:49 PM
The investigators Christie hired to look himself found him innocent of any wrongdoing? You don't say!
 
2014-03-28 01:11:33 PM
I love Christie's version of the 9/11 memorial meeting with Wildstein.  Wildstein is now saying that he met with Christie at the memorial and updated him on the bridge closing.  Christie's defense?  Christie does not recall that conversation, but even if it occurred it wasn't specific enough to incriminate Christie.

That's an amazing, amazing defense.  'I don't recall that conversation except that it was legally non-incriminating'?  It's perfect.
 
2014-03-28 04:30:11 PM

ckccfa: sammyk: I wonder if Christie actually thinks his press conference today announcing he has been cleared by the investigation team HE hired is going to magically make this go away. Looks like he is playing with fire to me. At the very least it injects it back into the news cycle. The talking heads are getting bored with missing planes and just might give this a little more attention than Christie might want. Add to that the ongoing federal inquiry and he may just be digging a deeper hole.

Also, isn't his defense essentially, "I'm not corrupt, I just have no control over the people I hire and appoint."?


That, and "biatches be crazy!"
 
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