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2014-03-28 09:01:07 AM
The only bad grade was the roll out.
 
2014-03-28 09:03:36 AM

Muta: The only bad grade was the roll out.


No, I guess if they didn't assign an A+++ to every category that means that Obama has lost the good will of the people, we should repeal every aspect of the plan, and the Koch brothers are now co-presidents.
 
2014-03-28 09:08:59 AM
fta If you like what you have, you can keep it
This one doesn't need much discussion either. It's the Republicans' favorite talking point,


Well, as long as it's the Republican's favorite talking point, there's no reason to look at it critically, right, Politico? I mean, who's ever heard of Republican talking points misrepresenting facts or using a quote out of context?
 
2014-03-28 09:11:56 AM
honestly I thought politico went easy on the healthcare law on a couple of grades and I support the damn thing and have a great policy through it. No need to start unskewing the grades here folks
 
2014-03-28 09:14:57 AM
Actually, that seemed fairly objective.
 
2014-03-28 09:15:52 AM

Muta: The only bad grade was the roll out.


obama did not receive a standing ovation from the politico article writers therefore,
 
2014-03-28 09:18:42 AM
So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left
 
2014-03-28 09:26:01 AM

Tricky Chicken: I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way lef


msnbc is left in its punditry. its reportage is pretty straight down the middle. fox on the other hand is far, far right in both.
 
2014-03-28 09:26:38 AM

Tricky Chicken: Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?


normally, they tend to go right, whereas TPM swings a bit left. I use them to do political headlines for both of them. That said, sometimes Politico will chill in the middle, they have way too many conservative writers on that do op-eds to be called moderate

/subby
 
2014-03-28 09:31:44 AM

somedude210: Tricky Chicken: Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

normally, they tend to go right, whereas TPM swings a bit left. I use them to do political headlines for both of them. That said, sometimes Politico will chill in the middle, they have way too many conservative writers on that do op-eds to be called moderate

/subby


OK, thanks.

I just looked them up on wiki.  Seems they have only been around since 2007.  I guess 7 years wasn't long enough for me to get an opinion of their bias yet.

Oddly, I marked the HuffPo as left almost immediately and they are only 2 years older.
 
2014-03-28 09:33:42 AM
Just wondering, has anybody done a chart of the various leanings of all the major (and possibly lunatic fringe) publications?
 
2014-03-28 09:39:21 AM
Report Card: I paid my bill this morning, I have health insurance, and later today I'm going to go pick up all 4 of my MS drugs. This has happened 3 months in a row. It had not happened for the past decade because I was uninsurable, and what few quotes I could get were more than I make in a month. My MS drugs also cost more than I make in a month, so I had to pick and choose which ones mattered most. My neurologist is happy because I can get all 4 drugs and actually do what he says, and I can see him every six months like he wanted, instead of saving up all year to see him once. I feel way better, and whereas in the fall, I was seriously considering cutting back on work because I just couldn't make it through the week, I've done three 50-hour workweeks in a row, and I can still walk today. I have not needed to call my best friend and ask him to bring me food or drag me to the bathroom a single time in the last 3 months (January was kind of rocky while changing drugs). I can't begin how to say how much happier I am right now than I was even six months ago.

A- (the website didn't work for several weeks, people took a long time to call me back (weeks), there was an issue (on the CO side) wherein the verification of citizenship (by state of birth) had all 50 states, but did not have Washington DC (where I was born)).
 
2014-03-28 09:40:41 AM

Tricky Chicken: Just wondering, has anybody done a chart of the various leanings of all the major (and possibly lunatic fringe) publications?


The issue is reality... though some organisations like WSJ are notoriously right, if they say anything critical of the right, they get dismissed by conservatives as a "lefty rag of liberal New Yorkers."
 
2014-03-28 09:59:18 AM

Tricky Chicken: So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left


MSNBC is only "way" left if you're way right. MSNBC doesn't just make stuff up out of whole cloth like Fox does. Politico definitely leans right.
 
2014-03-28 10:25:01 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left

MSNBC is only "way" left if you're way right. MSNBC doesn't just make stuff up out of whole cloth like Fox does. Politico definitely leans right.


Really, you would argue that MSNBC is centerist or only moderately left? I just figured it was given that they were way left. Maddow, Sharpton, Matthews, heck even the banner on the top of their web page says "MSNBC: News Video and progressive community. Lean forward."

I'm not comparing their accuracy to FOX.  I am just saying, they seem basically left to me.
 
2014-03-28 10:29:59 AM

Tricky Chicken: cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left

MSNBC is only "way" left if you're way right. MSNBC doesn't just make stuff up out of whole cloth like Fox does. Politico definitely leans right.

Really, you would argue that MSNBC is centerist or only moderately left? I just figured it was given that they were way left. Maddow, Sharpton, Matthews, heck even the banner on the top of their web page says "MSNBC: News Video and progressive community. Lean forward."

I'm not comparing their accuracy to FOX.  I am just saying, they seem basically left to me.


I think nobody is saying msnbc isnt left leaning but i think that whats being challenged is the idea that they are as far left as fox is far right.
 
2014-03-28 10:35:03 AM

Summercat: I think nobody is saying msnbc isnt left leaning but i think that whats being challenged is the idea that they are as far left as fox is far right.


or that their manner of 'leaning left', which causes them to biatch at obama as much as praise, is significantly different than fox who are mad at obama because of a mexican cheese sign at walmart
 
2014-03-28 10:36:37 AM

Tricky Chicken: Really, you would argue that MSNBC is centerist or only moderately left? I just figured it was given that they were way left. Maddow, Sharpton, Matthews, heck even the banner on the top of their web page says "MSNBC: News Video and progressive community. Lean forward."


You realize that it's possible to support the progressive community without being "way" left, right?
 
2014-03-28 10:38:41 AM

Summercat: Tricky Chicken: cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left

MSNBC is only "way" left if you're way right. MSNBC doesn't just make stuff up out of whole cloth like Fox does. Politico definitely leans right.

Really, you would argue that MSNBC is centerist or only moderately left? I just figured it was given that they were way left. Maddow, Sharpton, Matthews, heck even the banner on the top of their web page says "MSNBC: News Video and progressive community. Lean forward."

I'm not comparing their accuracy to FOX.  I am just saying, they seem basically left to me.

I think nobody is saying msnbc isnt left leaning but i think that whats being challenged is the idea that they are as far left as fox is far right.


Ok, that can be argued.  It would be hard to come to a consensus.  It would boil down to a bunch of 'I think this' and 'you think that' unresolveable bickering.

I would just like to see a chart with all of them on a 'generally percieved' political leaning chart.  Of course, as soon as someone posted one, everybody would immediately condemn it as wrong.  But there are some i clearly have no familiarity with their leanings.  If you were to post an article from a Miami, or Houston based newspaper, I wouldn't know if it came from a paper with a particular leaning.  If I see a Washington Post article about Christie, I can expect a certain level of bias.  But if the article comes from the Washington Times, I will understand it comes from a different bias.
 
2014-03-28 10:53:34 AM

Tricky Chicken: If I see a Washington Post article about Christie, I can expect a certain level of bias.


Opinion article or regular news article? Because their newsgathering is quite reality-based, and their opinion is actually all over the map (right-leaning recently)
 
2014-03-28 11:36:07 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: If I see a Washington Post article about Christie, I can expect a certain level of bias.

Opinion article or regular news article? Because their newsgathering is quite reality-based, and their opinion is actually all over the map (right-leaning recently)


I agree.  But even if you base everything in truth, you can focus on the facts that appear less flattering. A post article about a republican will note that the people that wrote the report had a certain conflict of interest. and they may brfiely mention that it exhonerated him.  Overall leaving the impression that the report may not be entirely trustworthy.  Where the Times will not only explain how thie report completely exhonorates him, but may go on to show how now that this is behind him his polls are skyrocketing (in a poll they take themselves).  Same story.  the first is more true than the latter.
 
2014-03-28 11:41:32 AM

Tricky Chicken: But even if you base everything in truth, you can focus on the facts that appear less flattering. A post article about a republican will note that the people that wrote the report had a certain conflict of interest. and they may brfiely mention that it exhonerated him.  Overall leaving the impression that the report may not be entirely trustworthy.  Where the Times will not only explain how thie report completely exhonorates him, but may go on to show how now that this is behind him his polls are skyrocketing (in a poll they take themselves).  Same story.  the first is more true than the latter.


All of this is based on an entirely made-up version of the Post with no citations whatsoever. It's entirely your opinion and clearly not based in fact.

Note: Fact is different from "Truth"
 
2014-03-28 11:50:45 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: But even if you base everything in truth, you can focus on the facts that appear less flattering. A post article about a republican will note that the people that wrote the report had a certain conflict of interest. and they may brfiely mention that it exhonerated him.  Overall leaving the impression that the report may not be entirely trustworthy.  Where the Times will not only explain how thie report completely exhonorates him, but may go on to show how now that this is behind him his polls are skyrocketing (in a poll they take themselves).  Same story.  the first is more true than the latter.

All of this is based on an entirely made-up version of the Post with no citations whatsoever. It's entirely your opinion and clearly not based in fact.

Note: Fact is different from "Truth"


That wasn't what I intended.  Sorry about that.  I am simply saying that if I were to read a Post article, and I were to infer a slight leaning in the writing, I would assume that the facts they are reporting are more or less accurate.  And any conclusions the article may lead me to probably have some reasonable merit. And I could agree with those conclusions or disagree based mostly upon the facts presented.  Where on the other hand, if I were to read the Times article, I may never know that there was a potential conflict of interest, and some pertinent facts like that may not even be presented. And I will almost always be dubious of any polling data they present without seeing it verified elsewhere.

To me it appears:
The Post wants to strive for a non-partisan presentation.
The Times appears to want to spin only the parts of a story helpful to their policies.
 
2014-03-28 11:53:37 AM

Tricky Chicken: So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left


Politico does the thing where they pretend they're mavericks and are outside the Beltway, but are almost always toeing one Republican line or other.
 
2014-03-28 12:08:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: If I see a Washington Post article about Christie, I can expect a certain level of bias.

Opinion article or regular news article? Because their newsgathering is quite reality-based, and their opinion is actually all over the map (right-leaning recently)


Isn't that the difference between other news outlets and Fox? Other sources gather and disseminate the news. Fox tells its viewers whatever the hell Murdoch wants them to believe.
 
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2014-03-28 12:19:59 PM

Tricky Chicken: Really, you would argue that MSNBC is centerist or only moderately left? I just figured it was given that they were way left. Maddow, Sharpton, Matthews, heck even the banner on the top of their web page says "MSNBC: News Video and progressive community. Lean forward."

I'm not comparing their accuracy to FOX. I am just saying, they seem basically left to me.



MSNBC has a show that airs 3 hours a day 5 days a week hosted by a former Republican Congressman. Pat Buchanan used to be a regular contributor as was Alan Keyes. the former chair of the RNC is a regular paid political analyst. up until just recently it was owned by one of the largest military contractors in the world.

definitely sounds "way" left to me. *eyes roll so hard they fall out of my head*

the day Fox News has 15 hours a week given to a Democratic Congressman and hires a former DNC chairman is the day i'll even remotely entertain the idea that Fox and MSNBC are 100% equivalent mirror opposites. in the real world MSNBC being to the left of Fox News doesn't make it anywhere near "way" left.
 
2014-03-28 10:36:27 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Tricky Chicken: So, subby is implying Politico has a bias?  I really don't read their stuff, so I am unfamiliar with their general leaning.  Is subby correct? Or is this a case of 'I don't agree with them, so they are in the tank for the other side'?

I get the Fox - way right
MSNBC - way left

Politico does the thing where they pretend they're mavericks and are outside the Beltway, but are almost always toeing one Republican line or other.


They're also fond of celebrity-style gossip fueled by anonymous sources, earning them the nickname "Tiger Beat on the Potomac."
 
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