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(TG Daily)   "Gamers aren't the antisocial basement-dwellers we see in pop culture stereotypes, they're highly social people. This won't be a surprise to the gaming community, but it's worth telling everyone else. Loners are the outliers in gaming, not the norm"   (tgdaily.com) divider line 64
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2014-03-28 08:18:08 AM  
I tried 3 times to see the article and due to ads, I gave up. WTF tgdaily?
 
2014-03-28 08:29:25 AM  
"I'll wait here, while Jim sees what happens when you hide the bag of Cheetos."
 
2014-03-28 08:57:23 AM  
Counter point:
www.abc.net.au
Bobby Fischer.

Reads article. Oh, you meant lamo games.
 
2014-03-28 09:00:59 AM  
Methinks the reject doth protest too much.
 
2014-03-28 09:05:16 AM  
From my perspective as a long time gamer, I disagree. Gamers live by a "hell is other people" philosophy. Multiplayer was only invented to gain the satisfaction of defeating a live opponent. The whole culture is basted in antagonism and exceptionalism. It's rather shameful.
 
2014-03-28 09:06:28 AM  
FTA: The researchers observed the behavior of thousands of players, and had 378 players take an in-depth survey, with a focus on players of massively multiplayer online role-playing games such as EVE Online and World of Warcraft.

I think I see the flaw in their research model. Studying massive online games leads to conclusion that gamers are social...
 
2014-03-28 09:08:10 AM  
Speaking as a gamer, I kind of disagree.  When I play, it's almost always solo.  It's a form of downtime that doesn't involve other people, and it's often a downtime FROM other people.  Nothing against being social, but when I want to hang with my friends, we'll go out to the bar, or dinner, or catch a movie, or hiking, or whatever, then go back to one of our places and shoot the shiat over some drinks.  If we play a game, it's usually CAH or something of similar depth, it's not the focus of our attention.
 
2014-03-28 09:10:34 AM  
Social in what sense? That they communicate with other people?

Okay, but what happens when you account for how often that communication makes mention of their genitalia, observations on other people's sexual orientation, alleged flings with others' mom's and the obscenities are removed?
 
2014-03-28 09:12:43 AM  
I am not necessarily an anti-social person, but when it comes to actually playing games, I'll stab myself before I play with another human being.  Games are escapism for me - I go to those worlds because I want to have fun and get away from the real world for a bit.  I see enough people in my day-to-day life; I don't need or want to play with others.
 
2014-03-28 09:14:29 AM  
I don't get in to social gaming because I don't play enough to be a good team/guild member.
 
2014-03-28 09:21:13 AM  
*very* casual gamer here, very apathetic to most social activities.
 
2014-03-28 09:42:50 AM  
Gamers tend to be highly social with other gamers and ackward introverts around everyone else.
 
2014-03-28 09:44:43 AM  
I'm as anti-social as it gets. When I'm not at work I'm home alone hiding from people while playing games and drinking. I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.
 
2014-03-28 09:51:51 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.


left 4 dead is still one of my favorite games in terms of creating a coop game through construction rather than implication; seeing games like payday that try to implement the elements in ways that miss the point drove it home for me how elegant valve's solution was

Mentalpatient87: Multiplayer was only invented to gain the satisfaction of defeating a live opponent.


wat
 
2014-03-28 09:53:50 AM  

SuperDarly: FTA: The researchers observed the behavior of thousands of players, and had 378 players take an in-depth survey, with a focus on players of massively multiplayer online role-playing games such as EVE Online and World of Warcraft.

I think I see the flaw in their research model. Studying massive online games leads to conclusion that gamers are social...


Yeah, that pretty much skewed the results before they even started.  It would be like studying mostly people who play Facebook games and declaring that most gamers are teenagers or housewives.
 
2014-03-28 09:58:33 AM  
I'm highly social, so long as we're sitting around the table/living room, me plus 4 to 6 other players, and there's a screen and my notes between me and them, with a bucket of dice close at hand.

Video games are for when I want to play alone.
 
2014-03-28 09:59:03 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Multiplayer was only invented to gain the satisfaction of defeating a live opponent.

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2014-03-28 09:59:56 AM  
eh, it's hard to generalize any group because everybody likes or dislikes things for different reasons

from my experience there are far fewer loner types than there are just people who don't get out, i think there's a pretty big difference between the two personalities but i guess it's easy to confuse the two

there are also lots of "casual" gamers, and i say that term without any distaste because i'd consider myself a casual gamer about 80% of the time - i like to learn even the hardest game concepts but whether i have the desire or time to make it happen is pretty rare so very few games end up holding my interest

there's also people who simply go in and out of loving games... i quit gaming altogether through college and instead spent my off time partying or working, there were a lot of people who didn't even know i liked games at the time... now that i'm older and my interests have changed and free time has dropped i've gotten back into games when i can

/csb
 
2014-03-28 10:12:55 AM  
Social with each other.. they farking hate you.
 
2014-03-28 10:21:22 AM  

Mentalpatient87: From my perspective as a long time gamer, I disagree. Gamers live by a "hell is other people" philosophy. Multiplayer was only invented to gain the satisfaction of defeating a live opponent. The whole culture is basted in antagonism and exceptionalism. It's rather shameful.



What the f**k did you just f**king say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Fark Trolls, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Reddit, and I have over 300 confirmed pwns. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, f**ker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Core and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your f**king tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.
 
2014-03-28 10:41:44 AM  

TheOriginalEd: Social with each other.. they farking hate you.


Especially if you are a NOOB amirite?

I enjoy a good single player experience as much if not more than the next guy. But I don't mind the occasionally group games...the key is to find like minded people. I don't enjoy playing with obscenity screaming preteens but playing with other adults can be fun and engaging.

I don't think your gaming preferences have any bearing on your real life proclivities. Personally, I'm a bit anti social but I've player with plenty of people who are social butterflies who balance their gaming against busy party or club schedules...or whatever it is cool people do. It's not gaming that makes you social or anti social, the traits are just fostered while gaming.
 
2014-03-28 10:47:30 AM  
I cleared this up for my mom a while ago, she questioned how much time I spent gaming, and I asked her how many hours she and dad spent watching TV.

Then I made the point that since the wife and I were playing an MMO we actually talk to lots of people every day, since we are usually on voice coms and participating in a large-group activity (GW2 WvW)

If the activity involves people, it's going to run the spectrum of social behaviors.
 
2014-03-28 10:54:51 AM  
Games Workshop predicates its business model of toy-soldier games on the players being mature, sociable adults. The reality is otherwise: Yes the truth hurts.
 
2014-03-28 10:55:53 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-03-28 10:56:01 AM  

Nurglitch: Games Workshop predicates its business model of toy-soldier games on the players being mature, sociable adults.


something something matt ward
 
2014-03-28 10:57:34 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.


That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.
 
2014-03-28 11:00:57 AM  

jso2897: Mentalpatient87: From my perspective as a long time gamer, I disagree. Gamers live by a "hell is other people" philosophy. Multiplayer was only invented to gain the satisfaction of defeating a live opponent. The whole culture is basted in antagonism and exceptionalism. It's rather shameful.


What the f**k did you just f**king say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Fark Trolls, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Reddit, and I have over 300 confirmed pwns. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, f**ker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Core and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your f**king tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.


Perfect timing!

+1 Internets for you.
 
2014-03-28 11:04:15 AM  
I don't know.  My raiding schedule is starting to cut into my drinking time. I may have to cut back.
 
2014-03-28 11:07:11 AM  
Nothing builds friendships quite like a round of Resistance or Werewolf. Anyone who disagrees must be a spy.
 
2014-03-28 11:19:20 AM  

soporific: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.

That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.


I wasn't aware that anyone in Dark Souls actually helped anyone.  What typically happened to me was get halfway through a level then... INVASION!!!! followed almost immediately by a level 400 oneshotting me.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I don't know.  My raiding schedule is starting to cut into my drinking time. I may have to cut back.


If your guild doesn't want you drinking while you raid, you need to find another guild.
 
2014-03-28 11:21:18 AM  

skozlaw: Social in what sense? That they communicate with other people?

Okay, but what happens when you account for how often that communication makes mention of their genitalia, observations on other people's sexual orientation, alleged flings with others' mom's and the obscenities are removed?


And how much of that socialization is online and how much is in real life, or as a gamer would say IRL. As pointed out, because they looked at online MMORPGs, they didn't get a representative sample, and this can't say all gamers. Having said that, I know gamers with vibrant social lives. I even know married gamers.

As for myself, I had to give it up. Apparently, moderation is a concept that I just don't understand and I will get sucked into that world of I start playing
 
2014-03-28 11:25:54 AM  

Ethertap: soporific: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.

That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.

I wasn't aware that anyone in Dark Souls actually helped anyone.  What typically happened to me was get halfway through a level then... INVASION!!!! followed almost immediately by a level 400 oneshotting me.


I wouldn't have been able to get past the 3 mechanical men in DS2 without other players' help. Those bastards are tough.
 
2014-03-28 11:38:04 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Nothing builds friendships quite like a round of Resistance or Werewolf. Anyone who disagrees must be a spy.


They were referring to video games in the article, but as a avid board gamer I LOVE the in person interaction. I barely play video games anymore.

/Diplomacy ruins friendships
//Intrigue does it even faster
///Hanabi will convince you that you are surrounded by idiots
////still love all three
//slashies
 
2014-03-28 11:48:43 AM  
This kind of crap is farking stupid. Anyone under the age of 40 grew up playing video games and most still play some sort of video game here and there. Are there still morons out there who think that anybody that plays video games is either a basement dwelling sloth or some sort of man child?

Grow the Fark up.

Ethertap: soporific: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.

That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.

I wasn't aware that anyone in Dark Souls actually helped anyone.  What typically happened to me was get halfway through a level then... INVASION!!!! followed almost immediately by a level 400 oneshotting me.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I don't know.  My raiding schedule is starting to cut into my drinking time. I may have to cut back.

If your guild doesn't want you drinking while you raid, you need to find another guild.



When I was single I played semi-competitively in a few online leagues. My performance sweet spot was about 4-5 beers. When I was doing poorly my teammates would say "go grab another beer damn it".
 
2014-03-28 11:52:43 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I don't know.  My raiding schedule is starting to cut into my drinking time. I may have to cut back.


That's why I tank. Drunk tanking is best tanking.
 
2014-03-28 12:02:35 PM  
talking over a chat client != being social
 
2014-03-28 12:03:27 PM  
I'm another gamer who primarily plays alone. Had an x360 since almost launch, but never had Live. I'll occasionally play split screen coop with the kids, but I'm happy to solo for the most part.

I think there are at least two types of gamers: One is very competitive, focused on winning. The other (like me) uses gaming as escapism, and finds competition ruins the escape.

I think the X1/PS4 aren't going to be my thing. Always on requirements and multiplayer only games just don't appeal to me.
 
2014-03-28 12:03:53 PM  

Jurodan: Copperbelly watersnake: Nothing builds friendships quite like a round of Resistance or Werewolf. Anyone who disagrees must be a spy.

They were referring to video games in the article, but as a avid board gamer I LOVE the in person interaction. I barely play video games anymore.

/Diplomacy ruins friendships
//Intrigue does it even faster
///Hanabi will convince you that you are surrounded by idiots
////still love all three
//slashies


board games are great, one thing that makes me depressed about modern gaming is the lack of couch competitive or co-op experiences, back in the day it was a seen as a plus that consoles had 4 controller ports for a reason... hell the 360/PS3 took that one step further, but i guess because of online gaming popularity that feature fell out of "business sense" - if you goto a gamestop and look for ps3 games that feature couch co-op it's like a wasteland

recently titanfall came out and i played a couple matches and quickly got bored for this reason, i'd rather play with friends and not everybody has the time or money to drop on a multiplayer game we may only play together online once ever... whereas we're more likely to make time if we're in person, thems the breaks
 
2014-03-28 12:07:28 PM  
I play alone mostly because the people in my life are not as interested or competent as I am.
 
2014-03-28 12:16:14 PM  

Mentalpatient87: From my perspective as a long time gamer, I disagree. Gamers live by a "hell is other people" philosophy. Multiplayer was only invented to gain the satisfaction of defeating a live opponent. The whole culture is basted in antagonism and exceptionalism. It's rather shameful.


I miss the arcade days when you could see the shame in your opponent's eyes when you again cheery tapped him on a fighting game. Online play might as well be against replicants for all I can or slightly smarter aimbots.
 
2014-03-28 12:27:40 PM  

Jurodan: Copperbelly watersnake: Nothing builds friendships quite like a round of Resistance or Werewolf. Anyone who disagrees must be a spy.

They were referring to video games in the article, but as a avid board gamer I LOVE the in person interaction. I barely play video games anymore.

/Diplomacy ruins friendships
//Intrigue does it even faster
///Hanabi will convince you that you are surrounded by idiots
////still love all three
//slashies


This is why I'm looking forward to moving back to a real city in a couple months...I'll actually have people to play board games with.
 
2014-03-28 12:32:56 PM  
UNLIKELY tag busy on a raid, subby?
 
2014-03-28 01:44:45 PM  
The 'casuals' and 'noobs' are social.  Gamers tend to be the most misogynistic, racist, homophobic man-children out there.  Look at the nerd rage anytime something happens they don't like. Look what happened when Microsoft hired a woman to be in charge of the XBox division. Or when CapCom decides that port a formerly PS exclusive game to other platforms.

fark gamers. They are why online play sucks.
 
2014-03-28 01:53:15 PM  

Ethertap: soporific: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.

That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.

I wasn't aware that anyone in Dark Souls actually helped anyone. What typically happened to me was get halfway through a level then... INVASION!!!! followed almost immediately by a level 400 oneshotting me.


Oh, there's plenty of getting one-shotted. But if you throw down a summon sign you can get summoned by another player to help them either kill a boss or kill invaders. (One of my favorite moments was being summoned and one-shotting an invader two seconds later.) When you are summoning or being summoned to co-op, you can find a lot of helpful people, as that's how I prefer to play.

There's also a faction that specifically seeks out those who invade other worlds and avenges those who were killed. I've started playing that faction as well, and it's awesome going all Dredd on people who deserve it.
 
2014-03-28 02:00:04 PM  
Real gamers are just as anti-social as ever. These little assholes streaming their troll sessions aren't "social."
 
2014-03-28 02:09:23 PM  

soporific: That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.


Jolly Cooperation!

/Praise the sun! \o/

soporific: There's also a faction that specifically seeks out those who invade other worlds and avenges those who were killed. I've started playing that faction as well, and it's awesome going all Dredd on people who deserve it.


There's also the Blue Sentinels, which summons you (in theory) to the world of a Blue Apostle (different faction )that's been invaded-So you are, literally, an Anti-PK.

/Though I haven't been summoned that way yet, sadface.
//Because my Sunlight Spear is oneshotting mofo's.
 
2014-03-28 02:19:34 PM  
the thing i like about you most is you'd runaway with me.
so pack your bags and your shotgun too. we might run into zombies.
We're always down for that coop multiplayer action!
 
2014-03-28 03:27:17 PM  

soporific: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I do like co-op games but those are few and far between, everything is competitive crap now.

That's why I love Borderlands. A friend and I are playing through the series, and I would not be enjoying it nearly as much by myself.

I'm also a huge fan of the Dark Souls co-op options. There's nothing like helping a new player kill a big, bad boss.


Borderlands 2 got most of my gaming time last year. A friend and I went through the campaign with all the characters, and then some. Sadly it did get boring after playing everything so many times.

But I'd still recommend that game to anyone looking for an excellent co-op experience.
 
2014-03-28 03:35:18 PM  
I don't know what the overlap is between video and tabletop gamers is; I rarely play videogames these days, but back in my "24-hour-tabletop-gaming-session" days, I was very extroverted. I acted in local theatre, had tons of friends, and was going out socially to clubs, movies and other events. I suppose the difference would be that tabletop gaming demands interactions with other people, and videogames often encourage solo play and individual escapism.
 
2014-03-28 03:38:16 PM  

Kevin Lomax: TheOriginalEd: Social with each other.. they farking hate you.

Especially if you are a NOOB amirite?

I enjoy a good single player experience as much if not more than the next guy. But I don't mind the occasionally group games...the key is to find like minded people. I don't enjoy playing with obscenity screaming preteens but playing with other adults can be fun and engaging.

I don't think your gaming preferences have any bearing on your real life proclivities. Personally, I'm a bit anti social but I've player with plenty of people who are social butterflies who balance their gaming against busy party or club schedules...or whatever it is cool people do. It's not gaming that makes you social or anti social, the traits are just fostered while gaming.


Gotta love when some little twat on a CoD: Ghosts match calls me a Noob (I have prestiged twice). This usually stems from a well placed launched grenade or LMG shot from a mile away. This will result in my hunting the name-caller with a pistol for the rest of the match. This usually gets the point across. My current game of choice has been Titanfall, and I have found the players to be refreshingly grown-up (or silent, that works too) about your gameplay.
 
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