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(Salon)   A panel of judges rules that Texas laws shutting down all but six clinics for women in the state "on its face does not impose an undue burden on the life and health of a woman"   (salon.com ) divider line
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2014-03-28 10:16:02 AM  

APO_Buddha: bigsteve3OOO: Fast Moon: bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.

Okay, we'll play it that way.

If there should be no differentiation of rights between the born and unborn, when do I get to start using other people's bodies against their will?

The argument from the left isn't that a fetus should have fewer rights than a born person, it's that they  shouldn't have more.

You disagree with them.  OK.

 Its not the disagreement but the tactics that they stole from you.  Don't like something but cant make it illegal?  No problem....slowly.. make it harder to do.  Its right out of the Liberal playbook.  So I merely point at you and laugh.  HA HA you are getting your own medicine.

You're confusing business 'rights' and person rights.

Regulation of businesses that are dumping toxic slug into the air/water/earth, where it harms untold numbers of people is one thing.  Restricting the reproductive rights of women is something completely different.


The anti-abortion people should hire Micheal Moore to make a video.  Heh Heh LOL at you.  They stole your game plan.
 
2014-03-28 10:23:35 AM  
My sock-puppet detector just exploded.
 
2014-03-28 10:25:00 AM  
That's the problem....wasn't "On the face"
 
2014-03-28 10:30:45 AM  

APO_Buddha: bigsteve3OOO: Fast Moon: bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.

Okay, we'll play it that way.

If there should be no differentiation of rights between the born and unborn, when do I get to start using other people's bodies against their will?

The argument from the left isn't that a fetus should have fewer rights than a born person, it's that they  shouldn't have more.

You disagree with them.  OK.

 Its not the disagreement but the tactics that they stole from you.  Don't like something but cant make it illegal?  No problem....slowly.. make it harder to do.  Its right out of the Liberal playbook.  So I merely point at you and laugh.  HA HA you are getting your own medicine.

You're confusing business 'rights' and person rights.

Regulation of businesses that are dumping toxic slug into the air/water/earth, where it harms untold numbers of people is one thing.  Restricting the reproductive rights of women is something completely different.


Next thing is to get the young ones by standardized tests:

Coming up on a common core math test:

Question:  Since an abortion clinic without hospital visitation rights is 20% more likely to cause infection in the patients and in Texas there were 100,000 abortions before the bill saving the patents from this was passed; how many infections were prevented by this law?

Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.
 
2014-03-28 10:31:35 AM  
Thus hastening a browner and bluer Texas

and some horrifying news stories about botched, back alley abortions.
 
2014-03-28 10:34:22 AM  

Phinn: This Texas law isn't an Alinsky tactic at all. It's a much older method, straight out of the Fabian Society.

If the Progderps ever have to face a well-orchestrated campaign of Fabian conservatism, or even Fabian libertarianism, the entertainment value will be very high. Much popcorn will be consumed. My schadenfreud-o-meter will asplode.


Considering the Fabians have existed for 130 years and still haven't turned the UK into a Socialist state, I can see why you'd need much popcorn.
 
2014-03-28 10:38:21 AM  

Phinn: This Texas law isn't an Alinsky tactic at all. It's a much older method, straight out of the Fabian Society.


The Romans were like the Simpsons of the modern political and punditry tactics...Festina lente
 
2014-03-28 10:41:21 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: APO_Buddha: bigsteve3OOO: Fast Moon: bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.

Okay, we'll play it that way.

If there should be no differentiation of rights between the born and unborn, when do I get to start using other people's bodies against their will?

The argument from the left isn't that a fetus should have fewer rights than a born person, it's that they  shouldn't have more.

You disagree with them.  OK.

 Its not the disagreement but the tactics that they stole from you.  Don't like something but cant make it illegal?  No problem....slowly.. make it harder to do.  Its right out of the Liberal playbook.  So I merely point at you and laugh.  HA HA you are getting your own medicine.

You're confusing business 'rights' and person rights.

Regulation of businesses that are dumping toxic slug into the air/water/earth, where it harms untold numbers of people is one thing.  Restricting the reproductive rights of women is something completely different.

Next thing is to get the young ones by standardized tests:

Coming up on a common core math test:

Question:  Since an abortion clinic without hospital visitation rights is 20% more likely to cause infection in the patients and in Texas there were 100,000 abortions before the bill saving the patents from this was passed; how many infections were prevented by this law?

Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.


Dude, I'm sorry, but you're coming off as incredibly pathetic right now.  Like, this is SAD trolling.  I mean, I can't even get sympathy-angry for you. 

If you really are over there laughing over what you are saying, then I envy you.  Being that stupid must be grand; the whole world is full of wonder and excitement.
 
2014-03-28 10:57:59 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.


You really seem to get off on suppressing women's rights.
 
2014-03-28 11:06:09 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: APO_Buddha: bigsteve3OOO: Fast Moon: bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.

Okay, we'll play it that way.

If there should be no differentiation of rights between the born and unborn, when do I get to start using other people's bodies against their will?

The argument from the left isn't that a fetus should have fewer rights than a born person, it's that they  shouldn't have more.

You disagree with them.  OK.

 Its not the disagreement but the tactics that they stole from you.  Don't like something but cant make it illegal?  No problem....slowly.. make it harder to do.  Its right out of the Liberal playbook.  So I merely point at you and laugh.  HA HA you are getting your own medicine.

You're confusing business 'rights' and person rights.

Regulation of businesses that are dumping toxic slug into the air/water/earth, where it harms untold numbers of people is one thing.  Restricting the reproductive rights of women is something completely different.

Next thing is to get the young ones by standardized tests:

Coming up on a common core math test:

Question:  Since an abortion clinic without hospital visitation rights is 20% more likely to cause infection in the patients and in Texas there were 100,000 abortions before the bill saving the patents from this was passed; how many infections were prevented by this law?

Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.


blogs.loc.gov
 
2014-03-28 11:12:21 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: SauronWasFramed: If you disagree, thank Gosnell, Booker and other abortionists that allowed their patients to die, or suffer tremendous infection. Safe? Not so much.

If only the procedure hadn't been driven underground, it could be performed in a hospital by competent doctors, and this kind of thing wouldn't happen.




Underground? in what universe?

Guys like Gosnell and Booker cared only about the money and didn't give a flip about the women they were killing, giving STDs due to contaminated instruments, or attending to them when they botched the procedures.

In other words, they did it to the industry.


Had the state of PA actually inspected and regulated Gosnell, perhaps a laws like this one would have never seen the light if day.

/laughs not because pro aborts are willing to allow women to die for the cause, but because there are people that will defend allowing them to die
 
2014-03-28 11:15:08 AM  

SauronWasFramed: Marcus Aurelius: SauronWasFramed: If you disagree, thank Gosnell, Booker and other abortionists that allowed their patients to die, or suffer tremendous infection. Safe? Not so much.

If only the procedure hadn't been driven underground, it could be performed in a hospital by competent doctors, and this kind of thing wouldn't happen.

Underground? in what universe?

Guys like Gosnell and Booker cared only about the money and didn't give a flip about the women they were killing, giving STDs due to contaminated instruments, or attending to them when they botched the procedures.

In other words, they did it to the industry.


Had the state of PA actually inspected and regulated Gosnell, perhaps a laws like this one would have never seen the light if day.

/laughs not because pro aborts are willing to allow women to die for the cause, but because there are people that will defend allowing them to die


Why do you believe this problem is unique to abortion?
 
2014-03-28 11:18:02 AM  
I like it.

"They're using a page out of liberals play books!!!"

"Which one?"

"It's totally a liberal tactic. LOL AT YOU!!!!!"
 
2014-03-28 11:20:56 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: bigsteve3OOO: Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.

You really seem to get off on suppressing women's rights.


Usually he comes off as just really stupid. Today, though, he seems to be aspiring for "stupid asshole" territory. That's thinking big.
 
2014-03-28 11:24:11 AM  

DrBenway: Almost Everybody Poops: bigsteve3OOO: Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.

You really seem to get off on suppressing women's rights.

Usually he comes off as just really stupid. Today, though, he seems to be aspiring for "stupid asshole" territory. That's thinking big.


Got to mix it up now and then.  I do try, thanks for noticing the subtle differences.  I am an artist.
 
2014-03-28 11:34:05 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: DrBenway: Almost Everybody Poops: bigsteve3OOO: Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.

You really seem to get off on suppressing women's rights.

Usually he comes off as just really stupid. Today, though, he seems to be aspiring for "stupid asshole" territory. That's thinking big.

Got to mix it up now and then.  I do try, thanks for noticing the subtle differences.  I am an artist.


Well, if that guy who makes paintings by (literally) shiatting paint on to a canvas can be called an artist, I guess you can too.
 
2014-03-28 11:41:36 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.


they believe it's murder until you press them on the point that if it's murder, doctors, nurses and women should be prosecuted, imprisoned and executed for murder

pro-lifers always squirm away from this argument
 
2014-03-28 11:42:41 AM  

grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: DrBenway: Almost Everybody Poops: bigsteve3OOO: Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.

You really seem to get off on suppressing women's rights.

Usually he comes off as just really stupid. Today, though, he seems to be aspiring for "stupid asshole" territory. That's thinking big.

Got to mix it up now and then.  I do try, thanks for noticing the subtle differences.  I am an artist.

Well, if that guy who makes paintings by (literally) shiatting paint on to a canvas can be called an artist, I guess you can too.


That sort should stick to vomiting on Lady Gaga. Much more constructive. And if past performance is any indicator, someone here would likely find that quite the turn-on.
 
2014-03-28 11:50:52 AM  

Dansker: Phinn: This Texas law isn't an Alinsky tactic at all. It's a much older method, straight out of the Fabian Society.

If the Progderps ever have to face a well-orchestrated campaign of Fabian conservatism, or even Fabian libertarianism, the entertainment value will be very high. Much popcorn will be consumed. My schadenfreud-o-meter will asplode.

Considering the Fabians have existed for 130 years and still haven't turned the UK into a Socialist state, I can see why you'd need much popcorn.


You must be one of those people whose thinking is so dependent on adjectives that you think that anything less than full Marxism isn't a socialist state.  Clearly, the British Labour Party has been successful, off and on, since the 1920s -- unionism, central banking, the welfare state, wage controls, nationalization of major industries including virtually all utilities, health care, transportation and telecommunications ... all were major socialist agenda items going back to Marx himself.
 
2014-03-28 11:59:49 AM  

wookiee cookie: bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.

they believe it's murder until you press them on the point that if it's murder, doctors, nurses and women should be prosecuted, imprisoned and executed for murder

pro-lifers always squirm away from this argument


Nulla poena sine lege praevia, scripta, certa et stricta.  Our current government doesn't define infanticide in utero as murder, so they can't be prosecuted for past acts.  But if and when the law changes, then it would be prosecuted as murder, just as snipping the brain stems of infants born alive is now acknowledged to be murder.
 
2014-03-28 12:06:02 PM  
Why do conservatives care so much (or at least pretend to) about unborn babies yet don't give a rats ass if they starve to death after they are born or are born with a painful abnormality and only survive 5-10 minutes?

Does the experience of life regardless of how painful or short lived it is trump everything?
 
2014-03-28 12:12:22 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its not the disagreement but the tactics that they stole from you.  Don't like something but cant make it illegal?  No problem....slowly.. make it harder to do.  Its right out of the Liberal playbook.  So I merely point at you and laugh.  HA HA you are getting your own medicine.


You're okay with denying women healthcare if it means you get to laugh at liberals? Congratulations on your inhumanity.
 
2014-03-28 12:14:41 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Next thing is to get the young ones by standardized tests:

Coming up on a common core math test:

Question:  Since an abortion clinic without hospital visitation rights is 20% more likely to cause infection in the patients and in Texas there were 100,000 abortions before the bill saving the patents from this was passed; how many infections were prevented by this law?

Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.


God damn you're confusing. Math is now a liberal weapon?
 
2014-03-28 12:18:13 PM  

Phinn: Our current government doesn't define infanticide in utero as murder, so they can't be prosecuted for past acts. But if and when the law changes, then it would be prosecuted as murder, just as snipping the brain stems of infants born alive is now has always been acknowledged to be murder.

 
2014-03-28 12:21:43 PM  

NateAsbestos: bigsteve3OOO: Next thing is to get the young ones by standardized tests:

Coming up on a common core math test:

Question:  Since an abortion clinic without hospital visitation rights is 20% more likely to cause infection in the patients and in Texas there were 100,000 abortions before the bill saving the patents from this was passed; how many infections were prevented by this law?

Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.

God damn you're confusing. Math is now a liberal weapon?


From the Common Core Peta thread earlier this week.  Do try to keep up.  Common Core is the weapon not necessarily math.
 
2014-03-28 12:24:07 PM  
You can see why these misogynist judges want to perpetuate the war on women.
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2014-03-28 12:26:48 PM  

Phinn: wookiee cookie: bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.

they believe it's murder until you press them on the point that if it's murder, doctors, nurses and women should be prosecuted, imprisoned and executed for murder

pro-lifers always squirm away from this argument

Nulla poena sine lege praevia, scripta, certa et stricta.  Our current government doesn't define infanticide in utero as murder, so they can't be prosecuted for past acts.  But if and when the law changes, then it would be prosecuted as murder, just as snipping the brain stems of infants born alive is now acknowledged to be murder.


my high school latin-fu is dead. but tx for the pretension.

where did i mention past abortions, i'm talking about future ones. obviously.

nice to see you cop to the completely unrealistic, dystopian, handmaid's tale-esque vision of doctors, nurses and women being prosecuted imprisoned and executed for murder. bc most of your kinfolk are intellectually dishonest cowards.
 
2014-03-28 12:30:11 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Some people believe that a fetus is a human.  That killing a human is murder.  Laws should protect people from being murdered.  You may disagree.  Those people are finally using the liberal tactic of using petty laws to erode freedom slowly rather than head on.  Liberals are being hoisted on their own petards.  I find it amusing.


So in your own mind, you think they are using "petty laws to erode freedom," and you think this is amusing? Why?
 
2014-03-28 12:35:46 PM  

Phinn: Dansker: Phinn: This Texas law isn't an Alinsky tactic at all. It's a much older method, straight out of the Fabian Society.

If the Progderps ever have to face a well-orchestrated campaign of Fabian conservatism, or even Fabian libertarianism, the entertainment value will be very high. Much popcorn will be consumed. My schadenfreud-o-meter will asplode.

Considering the Fabians have existed for 130 years and still haven't turned the UK into a Socialist state, I can see why you'd need much popcorn.

You must be one of those people whose thinking is so dependent on adjectives that you think that anything less than full Marxism isn't a socialist state.  Clearly, the British Labour Party has been successful, off and on, since the 1920s -- unionism, central banking, the welfare state, wage controls, nationalization of major industries including virtually all utilities, health care, transportation and telecommunications ... all were major socialist agenda items going back to Marx himself.


You sound like one of those people who equate Liberal Democracy with Socialism.
Labour hasn't been Socialist since the mid-'90s at the latest, and utilities, transportation and telecom is not nationalized in the UK. Health care kinda is, but in addition to the NHS they also have private medical insurance and health care providers
 
2014-03-28 12:36:10 PM  

wookiee cookie: my high school latin-fu is dead. but tx for the pretension.

where did i mention past abortions, i'm talking about future ones. obviously.

nice to see you cop to the completely unrealistic, dystopian, handmaid's tale-esque vision of doctors, nurses and women being prosecuted imprisoned and executed for murder. bc most of your kinfolk are intellectually dishonest cowards.


I'm knee-deep in Latin again for a project of mine, so it seems more normal to me.

I don't really have kinsfolk.  And I don't make my decisions about legal issues based on electoral politics.  Is squishiness on the question of prosecuting abortionists a by-product of cowardice?  Maybe, sure, sometimes.  In my experience, inconsistency and hypocrisy is more often just a matter of sloppy thinking and unfamiliarity with abstract thought, plus a big helping of plain old marketing considerations.

Anyway, I'm not so much pro-choice as I am pro-abortion.  I want a free-to-use self-serve abortion booth installed in every 7-Eleven and quickie-mart in America, one that dispenses a $200 gift card on completion, more if you opt to self-sterilize, and a free iPad if you refer a friend.
 
2014-03-28 12:40:47 PM  

enry: Karac: SauronWasFramed: If you disagree, thank Gosnell, Booker and other abortionists that allowed their patients to die, or suffer tremendous infection. Safe? Not so much.

Didn't Gosnell get life in prison?

I would think that shows that existing laws would be sufficient deterrent to abortion doctors not getting their patients to an ER if they need one.

Existing laws against abortion are insufficient and prove that we need more laws.  Whereas more gun prevention regulations is just a power grab by the gubmint.


Maybe that's the answer.  A clinic should try giving away guns, and get the NRA involved in the fight against these transparently pretextual restrictions.
 
2014-03-28 12:44:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Justice? In Texas?


It's less likely than you think.
 
2014-03-28 12:49:45 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Why do conservatives care so much (or at least pretend to) about unborn babies yet don't give a rats ass if they starve to death after they are born or are born with a painful abnormality and only survive 5-10 minutes?

Does the experience of life regardless of how painful or short lived it is trump everything?


Well, just think a minute.  What 'other' group has such an obsessive requirement for a steady stream of babies?  (and, paradoxically, virgins.)  Could it be

www.churchofsatan.com
 
2014-03-28 12:51:59 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NateAsbestos: bigsteve3OOO: Next thing is to get the young ones by standardized tests:

Coming up on a common core math test:

Question:  Since an abortion clinic without hospital visitation rights is 20% more likely to cause infection in the patients and in Texas there were 100,000 abortions before the bill saving the patents from this was passed; how many infections were prevented by this law?

Oh man this is awesome. The fundies are using your stuff against you LOL at you.

God damn you're confusing. Math is now a liberal weapon?

From the Common Core Peta thread earlier this week.  Do try to keep up.  Common Core is the weapon not necessarily math.


I'm one of those unheard-of employed liberals, I don't get to peruse every thread.

So, how influenced were YOU by the test questions you had to answer as a kid? Because I know all I do is think about trains leaving towns going at certain speeds and when they'll meet.
 
2014-03-28 12:57:52 PM  
NateAsbestos:
So, how influenced were YOU by the test questions you had to answer as a kid? Because I know all I do is think about trains leaving towns going at certain speeds and when they'll meet.

Well, aside from going to my grave knowing that a baloo is a bear, a yonker is a young man, wuzzle means "to mix," and skulch is junk...
 
2014-03-28 01:17:19 PM  

Phinn: wookiee cookie: my high school latin-fu is dead. but tx for the pretension.

where did i mention past abortions, i'm talking about future ones. obviously.

nice to see you cop to the completely unrealistic, dystopian, handmaid's tale-esque vision of doctors, nurses and women being prosecuted imprisoned and executed for murder. bc most of your kinfolk are intellectually dishonest cowards.

I'm knee-deep in Latin again for a project of mine, so it seems more normal to me.

I don't really have kinsfolk.  And I don't make my decisions about legal issues based on electoral politics.  Is squishiness on the question of prosecuting abortionists a by-product of cowardice?  Maybe, sure, sometimes.  In my experience, inconsistency and hypocrisy is more often just a matter of sloppy thinking and unfamiliarity with abstract thought, plus a big helping of plain old marketing considerations.

Anyway, I'm not so much pro-choice as I am pro-abortion.  I want a free-to-use self-serve abortion booth installed in every 7-Eleven and quickie-mart in America, one that dispenses a $200 gift card on completion, more if you opt to self-sterilize, and a free iPad if you refer a friend.


yes, pro lifers engage in sloppy thinking and anti-intellectualism. you are correct.

they apparently also engage in dumb "satirical" strawmen parodies.

"abortion on demand" much?

anyway, im not so much pro-choice, as i am ex-pro-life, ever since i wised up to the the fact that the morally problematic issue of abortion needs to have a safe and legal avenue in society, lest we engage in handmaid's tale-inspired dystopian fantasies.

and i didnt even have to be involved in an unwanted prego.

i just had to talk to women, use my brain and empathy and balance the two options.

not everyone can do this apparently.
 
2014-03-28 01:21:09 PM  

wookiee cookie: Phinn: wookiee cookie: my high school latin-fu is dead. but tx for the pretension.

where did i mention past abortions, i'm talking about future ones. obviously.

nice to see you cop to the completely unrealistic, dystopian, handmaid's tale-esque vision of doctors, nurses and women being prosecuted imprisoned and executed for murder. bc most of your kinfolk are intellectually dishonest cowards.

I'm knee-deep in Latin again for a project of mine, so it seems more normal to me.

I don't really have kinsfolk.  And I don't make my decisions about legal issues based on electoral politics.  Is squishiness on the question of prosecuting abortionists a by-product of cowardice?  Maybe, sure, sometimes.  In my experience, inconsistency and hypocrisy is more often just a matter of sloppy thinking and unfamiliarity with abstract thought, plus a big helping of plain old marketing considerations.

Anyway, I'm not so much pro-choice as I am pro-abortion.  I want a free-to-use self-serve abortion booth installed in every 7-Eleven and quickie-mart in America, one that dispenses a $200 gift card on completion, more if you opt to self-sterilize, and a free iPad if you refer a friend.

yes, pro lifers engage in sloppy thinking and anti-intellectualism. you are correct.

they apparently also engage in dumb "satirical" strawmen parodies.

"abortion on demand" much?

anyway, im not so much pro-choice, as i am ex-pro-life, ever since i wised up to the the fact that the morally problematic issue of abortion needs to have a safe and legal avenue in society, lest we engage in handmaid's tale-inspired dystopian fantasies.

and i didnt even have to be involved in an unwanted prego.

i just had to talk to women, use my brain and empathy and balance the two options.

not everyone can do this apparently.


Take your "thinking" and "rationality" and gtfo. They have no place here on Fark.
 
2014-03-28 01:33:05 PM  
Why does America hate women?

Not as much as Pakistan, but enough to concern people from civilized countries.
 
2014-03-28 01:35:15 PM  
None if this is funny. My sister had an abortion. She also had huntingtons disease (HD). If PA courts had ruled like this, my family would have been stuck with an unwanted, potentially sick child. No way to know if HD was passed to it. My sister is also dead, so that child would also have been motherless. There are tons of reasons to keep abortions legal, safe, and available. Stop being assholes.
 
2014-03-28 01:43:59 PM  

wookiee cookie: they apparently also engage in dumb "satirical" strawmen parodies.


Like what?  My abort-o-matic booth idea?  That's totally serious.

wookiee cookie: i just had to talk to women, use my brain and empathy and balance the two options.


Balancing and empathy are not abstract thought.  They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.
 
2014-03-28 01:55:11 PM  

Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.


Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?
 
2014-03-28 01:59:19 PM  

grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?


No.  Magic is anti-reason.
 
2014-03-28 02:08:20 PM  

Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?

No.  Magic is anti-reason.


Well, at least you admit the anti-choice brigade has no ethical or legal reasoning behind their position.
 
2014-03-28 02:18:11 PM  

Phinn: wookiee cookie: they apparently also engage in dumb "satirical" strawmen parodies.

Like what?  My abort-o-matic booth idea?  That's totally serious.

wookiee cookie: i just had to talk to women, use my brain and empathy and balance the two options.

Balancing and empathy are not abstract thought.  They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.


if you say so, buddy. you're obviously the smarter person.

knowing latin and proposing TOTALLY SERIOUS abort-o-matic scenarios as you do.
 
2014-03-28 02:27:33 PM  

jigger: You can see why these misogynist judges want to perpetuate the war on women.
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If you think women can't be misogynist, you haven't met very many Texan conservative women. They hate "sluts" a thousand times more on average than the conservative men around here do.
 
2014-03-28 02:29:21 PM  

grumpfuff: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?

No.  Magic is anti-reason.

Well, at least you admit the anti-choice brigade has no ethical or legal reasoning behind their position.


The religious ones don't.
 
2014-03-28 02:31:46 PM  

Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?

No.  Magic is anti-reason.

Well, at least you admit the anti-choice brigade has no ethical or legal reasoning behind their position.

The religious ones don't.


Do you have a strictly logical reason fetuses should be granted primacy over the women carrying them? If so, I'd be interested to here what it is.
 
2014-03-28 02:32:22 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?

No.  Magic is anti-reason.

Well, at least you admit the anti-choice brigade has no ethical or legal reasoning behind their position.

The religious ones don't.

Do you have a strictly logical reason fetuses should be granted primacy over the women carrying them? If so, I'd be interested to here what it is.


hear, even.

/sigh
 
2014-03-28 02:32:54 PM  

Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?

No.  Magic is anti-reason.

Well, at least you admit the anti-choice brigade has no ethical or legal reasoning behind their position.

The religious ones don't.


Oh please. Enlighten us with your ethical and/or legal reasoning on why abortion should be illegal.
 
2014-03-28 02:43:54 PM  

grumpfuff: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: grumpfuff: Phinn: They aren't bad or wrong, but they're certainly not modes of ethical or legal reasoning.

Because "life begins at conception because Jesus" is?

No.  Magic is anti-reason.

Well, at least you admit the anti-choice brigade has no ethical or legal reasoning behind their position.

The religious ones don't.

Oh please. Enlighten us with your ethical and/or legal reasoning on why abortion should be illegal.


As I said, I'm pro-abortion.  I don't think it should be illegal.  I think it should be fully subsidized, free to the consumer, with 24-hour service, no appointment necessary, come as you are, no questions asked, with cash and prizes given right there on the spot.
 
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