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(News 13 Orlando)   Underage drinking on spring break? That's a tasin'   (mynews13.com) divider line 31
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2014-03-27 07:59:26 PM
Capt. Tammy Marris, of Volusia County Beach Safety Ocean Rescue

Captain "Tammy"? Really?
 
2014-03-27 10:44:45 PM
I wonder if his friends are still sitting in their own shiat
 
2014-03-27 10:52:17 PM
"Christopher Shulz, became belligerent with the patrol officer"

here's 50,000 volts of sit down and STFU
 
2014-03-27 10:57:28 PM

Yogimus: "Christopher Shulz, became belligerent with the patrol officer"

here's 50,000 volts of sit down and STFU


Pretty much this. Had he not been a douche bag, the officer would have most likely given them a warning and walked away. Now the poor little snowflakes are in jail crying for mommy.
 
2014-03-27 10:57:47 PM
Pick upPour out that can.

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2014-03-27 11:00:55 PM
So how was the cop in danger again?
 
2014-03-27 11:01:44 PM

Mugato: Capt. Tammy Marris, of Volusia County Beach Safety Ocean Rescue

Captain "Tammy"? Really?


I don't get it, do you think she should go with Tamara because she's a grown-up Captain now?
 
2014-03-27 11:02:53 PM
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2014-03-27 11:31:37 PM

mrlewish: So how was the cop in danger again?


FTFA:
"Marris said Shulz became combative and was warned three times that the officer would deploy his stun gun if Shulz didn't cooperate.
The officer said he was forced to deploy his stun gun when the teen resisted arrest, according to Marris."
 
2014-03-27 11:34:48 PM
Not that it matters but I checked the VCDC public access because I wanted to see his drunken mugshot and what this kid looked like. Their website is updated very promptly when someone is taken in to custody. No record of anyone by that name being booked. I hate it when reporters embellish the truth.
 
2014-03-27 11:42:36 PM

johnny_vegas: mrlewish: So how was the cop in danger again?

FTFA:
"Marris said Shulz became combative and was warned three times that the officer would deploy his stun gun if Shulz didn't cooperate.
The officer said he was forced to deploy his stun gun when the teen resisted arrest, according to Marris."


None of that, except maybe "combative", is a danger to the cop. And even if they were 'combative', you'd think that cops would be trained how to deal with people like that, rather than reaching for a weapon right away.
 
2014-03-27 11:47:01 PM
A cops tases a drunk and this is the best that can be found for interesting articles?

How about Chicago vs New York Pizza.  No, how about Republicans make fun of Obama for something they do themselves.  How about some sweet story about an animal being rescued.

I know a formula applies, but someone is phoning it in tonight.
 
2014-03-27 11:47:34 PM

fredklein: johnny_vegas: mrlewish: So how was the cop in danger again?

FTFA:
"Marris said Shulz became combative and was warned three times that the officer would deploy his stun gun if Shulz didn't cooperate.
The officer said he was forced to deploy his stun gun when the teen resisted arrest, according to Marris."

None of that, except maybe "combative", is a danger to the cop. And even if they were 'combative', you'd think that cops would be trained how to deal with people like that, rather than reaching for a weapon right away.


what are the rules for use of a taser in volusia county?  Is it only in the case of imminent mortal danger to the cop?

Combative and resisting arrest (especially combined) sound like a situation that would be a danger to the cop
 
2014-03-27 11:54:00 PM

morg: Mugato: Capt. Tammy Marris, of Volusia County Beach Safety Ocean Rescue

Captain "Tammy"? Really?

I don't get it, do you think she should go with Tamara because she's a grown-up Captain now?


All the Tamaras I slept with had big fake tits and were mostly monosyllabic.
 
2014-03-27 11:55:54 PM
Daytona used to be the spring break capital of the world. But like Ft. Lauderdale they wanted a family friendly environment. They rake in cash hand over fist from the race track and from Bike Week. There is pretty much a zero tolerance policy on kids having fun and they want it to be known
 
2014-03-28 12:01:41 AM
Given the way those brats act on Spring Break, they should all be preemptively Tased on arrival, just to show them what to expect when they DO get shiatfaced and belligerent and combative. F*cking little monsters.
 
2014-03-28 12:03:53 AM
Was it a stun gun or a tazer? The one that often loos gun like and fires barbed electrodes a short distance is a tazer. The one that requires direct contact is a stun gun. They are not interchangeable because you , reporter person, are too lazy to do your job and want them to be.

/Pet peeve
//Feel better now
///Don't taze me bro.
 
2014-03-28 01:40:40 AM
Every time a person in a position of authority, e.g LEOs, uses a taser, there should be an inquiry to determine if it was justifiable to shoot the person.  Tasers are meant as an alternative to lethal force.  It is not a compliance tool.  If you aren't justified to shoot them, you aren't justified to taser them.  If it is determined that lethal force was not justified, at the very least a firing is in order.  Criminal charges would be very appropriate.
 
2014-03-28 03:43:33 AM
A drunk teen was being difficult?!? The hell you say!
 
2014-03-28 03:55:56 AM

mrlewish: So how was the cop in danger again?


Cops don't have to be in danger to use force. Depending on the dept tasers are either an option at active resistant or assaultive. Active resistance, for the ignorant, includes anything in which an action is being taken to prevent cops from taking their enforcememt action. So thingslike locking arms with fellow protesters, turning and walking away when ordered to stop, pulling away from cuffs, etc.

Take it up with the courts if you like, but I don't blame cops much for using the tools and training they are given when enforcing the law. This story is light on details, but it seems tammy was well within the use of force rules.

Side note: follow lawful commands and even many of the unlawful ones, then fight it in court later. I do, and wouldn't you know it have been able to avoid being tased or oc sprayed.
 
2014-03-28 03:57:58 AM

Kermit The Toad: Was it a stun gun or a tazer? The one that often loos gun like and fires barbed electrodes a short distance is a tazer. The one that requires direct contact is a stun gun. They are not interchangeable because you , reporter person, are too lazy to do your job and want them to be.

/Pet peeve
//Feel better now
///Don't taze me bro.


Tazers can also be used without an electrode cartridge for a drive stun.
 
2014-03-28 04:06:31 AM

OgreMagi: Every time a person in a position of authority, e.g LEOs, uses a taser, there should be an inquiry to determine if it was justifiable to shoot the person.  Tasers are meant as an alternative to lethal force.  It is not a compliance tool.  If you aren't justified to shoot them, you aren't justified to taser them.  If it is determined that lethal force was not justified, at the very least a firing is in order.  Criminal charges would be very appropriate.


Nice sentiment, but aside from the invemtor's wishes, tasers have never been restricted to deadly force or risk or serious bodily harm. Primarily because they are shiatty at that.

You get one shot and have to land both prongs with good connection to get the job done. That is a terrible option if you are actually at risk of being stabbed or shot.

I have no problem with you wishing cops used the tasers less often, but it is ignorant and unreasonable to recommend they restrict the use to deadly force situations.

Personally I don't think they should be used in any but the most extreme active resistant scenarios and be reserved for assaultive subjects. Which, as per the article, this girl was being combative.

Also worth noting is that police don't write reports with vague terms like 'combative' but almost always specifically articulate what actions are taken to justify a level of force. The frequently poor reporting of these articles does a disservice to these discussions.
 
2014-03-28 06:56:38 AM
Tazers are an alternative to billy clubs and pepper spray, not the officer's service weapon.
 
2014-03-28 07:04:51 AM
Teenagers are stupid even before they drink.
 
2014-03-28 07:54:38 AM
beach safety officer

So those are real officers? Arresting power and lethal weapons and all that?
 
2014-03-28 08:15:58 AM

johnny_vegas: mrlewish: So how was the cop in danger again?

FTFA:
"Marris said Shulz became combative and was warned three times that the officer would deploy his stun gun if Shulz didn't cooperate.
The officer said he was forced to deploy his stun gun when the teen resisted arrest, according to Marris."


I don't think tazers should be use purely as compliance devices. Just because the cop wants you to do something and you just stand there doesn't mean he gets to zap the shiat out of you. (That's what the gooseneck wrist lock is for). Tasers are supposed to be a less lethal option for self defense, not "this guy won't leave the area when I ordered him to"

That said, you really shouldn't be a giant douche to cops who are trying to cut you a break. I have to go with the cops on this one. Pour out your alchohol and move on. You can get more somewhere else.
 
2014-03-28 08:17:36 AM
Capt. Tammy. Not bad at all!

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2014-03-28 08:25:42 AM

wambu: Teenagers are stupid even before they drink.


This. I worked venue security for a couple of years in the San Francisco Bay area in the days before Tasers. Cow Palace, Circle Star theater, the Shoreline Amphitheater, a few smaller clubs. It was a contract gig, I worked for a small outfit that handled overload when the venues themselves needed extra hands at the gates or whatever. The worst, most belligerent people to deal with were nearly always the teenage toughguy types who thought they knew it all. Couple that with a fair amount of alcohol and the urge to show off for the females around and you have a farking nightmare. 16-20 year olds are the biggest assholes in the universe. Especially when they get drunk.

The best show for decent behavior was NWA when they came to town with a bunch of local Rappers, the worst was when Alabama and .38 Special came to town. For some reason the Rapper crowd, while flamboyant and obnoxious was much better behaved than the phony "country boys" from Silicon Valley who showed up shiatfaced drunk and wanted to fight everything in sight, especially each other. When the big signs all over the parking lot say "NO BARBECUES" it really means it. So don't whip out your pickaxe handle when your grill gets a bucket of water on it and kicked over after being told four farking times to put it out. You almost got yourself shot you stupid, ignorant redneck fark. Seriously.
For sheer obnoxious rebellion and stupidity, it was the Greatful Dead shows. They were fun, but man, the first night saw over 400 cases of Salmonella, because the DeadHeads finance their journeys from show to show with sandwich and vegi burritos ingredients they keep in cardboard boxes in the back of their VW Vans. We also had around 40 car burglaries during that three day show and couldn't figure out who was doing it. I also had to arrest Wavy Gravy, because he was openly selling "stuff" out of his car to anyone who came and asked for it, including a couple of 13 year olds who almost killed themselves with the NO2 he was selling for $5 a balloon full.

I could go on and on, but it was the funnest job I ever had.
 
2014-03-28 08:32:54 AM
Spring break, biatches!  Wooo
 
2014-03-28 09:29:12 AM

MythDragon: johnny_vegas: mrlewish: So how was the cop in danger again?

FTFA:
"Marris said Shulz became combative and was warned three times that the officer would deploy his stun gun if Shulz didn't cooperate.
The officer said he was forced to deploy his stun gun when the teen resisted arrest, according to Marris."

I don't think tazers should be use purely as compliance devices. Just because the cop wants you to do something and you just stand there doesn't mean he gets to zap the shiat out of you. (That's what the gooseneck wrist lock is for). Tasers are supposed to be a less lethal option for self defense, not "this guy won't leave the area when I ordered him to"

That said, you really shouldn't be a giant douche to cops who are trying to cut you a break. I have to go with the cops on this one. Pour out your alchohol and move on. You can get more somewhere else.


What is the cop supposed to do with morons who are non-compliant? Tackle them, get them to the ground and cuff them? Then the moron liberal press will be all over them for being to physical.
 
2014-03-28 11:10:24 AM

Deathfrogg: I could go on and on, but it was the funnest job I ever had.


Cool story, bro.
 
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