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2014-03-27 06:59:23 PM  

whistleridge: Oh, well done. Very well done.

in other news, I have a simple carrot-and-stick solution to this problem:

1. The state has a clear vested interest in public health. if there is an epidemic, productivity drops, taxes go away, and the state takes on added expenses. If the epidemic is bad enough, it damages public order. Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.

2. The state builds and maintains its own schools and its own roads. These are public property.

3. Neither schooling nor roads are rights. Schooling may be obligatory, but public school is a privilege, as demonstrated by routine suspensions and expulsions.

4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Hit them in the wallet. That will shape them up really quickly. Sure, they'll sue, both for discrimination and for religious reasons, but they'll lose. There's not a court in the land that will uphold these assholes' right to not vaccinate against the state's right to regulate its roads. Particularly not when a clear public good is associated.

It's simple: you can't shouldn't drink and drive. You can't shouldn't send your kids to school with guns. Likewise, you can't shouldn't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't shouldn't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

But you ARE still free to not vaccinate. You just won't like it.


FTFY

It is a known fact that those people CAN do that, it is just wrong to do so.
 
2014-03-27 06:59:26 PM  
Superb headline, Subby.

Simple, yet effective. HOTY candidate? I guess it's all in the context...
 
2014-03-27 07:00:02 PM  

blender61: "1 in 68 U.S. children has autism"
No. No they don't.

I dare say that if there was a law that required autistic children to be euthanized there would a lot more engaged parents with well adjusted/behaved kids.

I suggest we start with the "Indigo" children first.


I've been saying this for years (along with people who are allergic to everything).
 
2014-03-27 07:00:05 PM  
I laughed out loud at that one. farking bravo.
 
2014-03-27 07:01:35 PM  

whistleridge: Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.


Also, the ends justify the means. So whenever a disease is too expensive, deny care. Also, if there are risks for the greater good, hide those risks, lie about them, and then force the citizens to comply. Got to love the modern version of Freedom. If the vaccines worked, why would those with the vaccines be so worried? Oh, are they buying into herd immunity and all sorts of excuses?
 
2014-03-27 07:02:42 PM  

Shazam999: People have totally forgotten about the raging polio epidemics that occurred that totally shut down cities


People also forget the only route that polio is spread is feces being ingested. Look it up. Maybe if there wasnt a tolerable amount of poop in food and on unwashed hands...
 
2014-03-27 07:02:52 PM  

raerae1980: Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?


I heard the same thing on NPR on the way home.  Now they just have to prove that all the neurotoxins in our environment cause the brain malformation.
 
2014-03-27 07:03:51 PM  

blender61: I dare say that if there was a law that required autistic children to be euthanized


Hitler, Stalin and Mao agree.
 
2014-03-27 07:04:33 PM  

ebenbane: That's okay, the world is overpopulated


So more autism spectrum disorders which do not effect life expectancy is better how?
 
2014-03-27 07:06:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Loreweaver: Stop diluting the definition of Autism to include brats with self-entitled helicopter parents!

Humor us and define Autism.

As a bonus, which of the diagnostic criteria of the DSM-V for autism and social development disorders do you disagree with, and why?


The part where kids outside of his family are considered autistic as well.

/the only correct diagnosis is MY diagnosis
 
2014-03-27 07:08:19 PM  
Wow. I linked that from an anti-vax site.

Sorry. These are more accurate.
www.poliosurvivorsnetwork.org.uk
www.cdc.gov
 
2014-03-27 07:08:51 PM  

hardinparamedic: Loreweaver: Stop diluting the definition of Autism to include brats with self-entitled helicopter parents!

Humor us and define Autism.

As a bonus, which of the diagnostic criteria of the DSM-V for autism and social development disorders do you disagree with, and why?


You should not expect anyone here to read the DSM - they are just armchair interneters that think this is all fun and games until one of their kids or relatives are diagnosed with an ASD.
 
2014-03-27 07:09:17 PM  
HairyNevus: What about children of the anti-vaxxers  coming down being born with autism?

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-27 07:09:41 PM  
If that is one of every 68 who should be vaccinated, then it is time for Canada and Mexico to close the borders. Naturally, in any given year, only a few percent would be up for new or booster shots.

I'm not criticizing the job the US has done. You should see the trucks lined up waiting to get through customs. THERE ARE NO TARIFFS TO SPEAK OF, AND YET IT TAKES HOURS TO GET A TRUCK ACROSS THE BORDER.

They are more worried about competition from NAFTA and FTA partners than they are about ebola or other plagues. Which would cost ten thousand times more.

It's like Republicans who are more worried that somewhere somebody might vote twice than they are about the election machinery being high-jacked by a ten year old with the result that the Angry Birds get enough Senate seats to govern the country. (Then again, all the election software and hardware is owned by Republicans, so they can just chuck out ALL of the votes and decide who is elected in a hotel room at 3:00 AM).
 
2014-03-27 07:11:52 PM  
Subby, you magnificent bastard!
 
2014-03-27 07:11:59 PM  

zeio: Shazam999: People have totally forgotten about the raging polio epidemics that occurred that totally shut down cities

People also forget the only route that polio is spread is feces being ingested. Look it up. Maybe if there wasnt a tolerable amount of poop in food and on unwashed hands...


It just meant that your grandma did ATM.
 
2014-03-27 07:12:57 PM  
There are some good things about vaccinations, and bad things, and some very bad things. Do the research, ask questions from credible resources and decide for yourself. Opinions are like a**holes, almost everybody has one, but not all of em work. For the record, I have two un-vaccinated kids, both alive, neither has autism, and as far as I know have not contracted any serious diseases. They both got whooping cough (pertussis), and survived it. They gave it to me and their mother and we are vaccinated, and survived it. I'm sure some of the meanies out there will be happy to hear we were "infected".

Try not to hate too much, just because not everybody chooses to believe everything their told, or do it the way you think it should be done.
 
2014-03-27 07:13:00 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: hardinparamedic: Loreweaver: Stop diluting the definition of Autism to include brats with self-entitled helicopter parents!

Humor us and define Autism.

As a bonus, which of the diagnostic criteria of the DSM-V for autism and social development disorders do you disagree with, and why?

The part where kids outside of his family are considered autistic as well.

/the only correct diagnosis is MY diagnosis


You are autistic?
 
2014-03-27 07:13:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.


Even more amusing there is zero evidence that Autism is a 'disease'
 
2014-03-27 07:13:29 PM  

just_intonation: whistleridge: Oh, well done. Very well done.

in other news, I have a simple carrot-and-stick solution to this problem:

1. The state has a clear vested interest in public health. if there is an epidemic, productivity drops, taxes go away, and the state takes on added expenses. If the epidemic is bad enough, it damages public order. Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.

2. The state builds and maintains its own schools and its own roads. These are public property.

3. Neither schooling nor roads are rights. Schooling may be obligatory, but public school is a privilege, as demonstrated by routine suspensions and expulsions.

4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Hit them in the wallet. That will shape them up really quickly. Sure, they'll sue, both for discrimination and for religious reasons, but they'll lose. There's not a court in the land that will uphold these assholes' right to not vaccinate against the state's right to regulate its roads. Particularly not when a clear public good is associated. 

It's simple: you can't drink and drive. You can't send your kids to school with guns. Likewise, you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

But you ARE still free to not vaccinate. You just won't like it.

Yeah, sure.  Your argument falls completely apart for those families who are on the gubmint teat, or here illegally (or both).  There's no wallet to hit, except OURS.

Now, to your point 4) above -- since the State is still being expected to provide education for kids of illegals (e.g. California) -- how about we expand that to say 'if you're not a citizen, and you have about 30 of those 68 kids yourself -- they can't come to school until they are vaccinated.  That hits them in the wallet a lot more.


Let's play a game. It's called 'who can be the stupidest asshole in the thread'.

Oh hey, look: you won! Congratulations! We can all tell you worked hard at it.

News flash: poor people get vaccines for free through public health programs. And they actually do it, because they can't afford to miss work because.

The only group that is driving the anti-vaccine movement are middle-to-upper middle class whites, who almost universally lean right and spend too much time at church. They're self-centered idiots, who refuse to look at actual facts. Kind of like your post above.

Thank you for playing though.
 
2014-03-27 07:15:17 PM  

whistleridge: The only group that is driving the anti-vaccine movement are middle-to-upper middle class whites, who almost universally lean right and spend too much time at church. They're self-centered idiots, who refuse to look at actual facts. Kind of like your post above.


Hmm, all the anti-vaxxers I know are extremely liberal.  And don't make much money.
 
2014-03-27 07:16:29 PM  
hardinparamedic: just_intonation: You actually believe all of this is attributable to the Jenny McCarthys of the world and your MD from UG?

No. I believe that anti-vaccination is older than the internet, and even the telegraph. What I do know is that the Jenny McCarthies of the world are the public face of the anti-vaccination movement, and the face of one of the most prevalent anti-science movements in the world at this current time.


Well, at least we agree on that.  It is* older than the Internet, and will continue unabated for a number of reasons -- not the least of which are the Jenny McCarthys of the world.

just_intonation: And I'll guarantee you that the difference is not attributable to the Religious Right, the Tea Party, Republicans or any of that usual brand of derp.

Anti-vaccination is a derp which is truly bipartisan.


One of the many failures of the two-party system, but that's a topic for the Politics tab, and for another time when I don't have to run away from the keyboard to keep an appointment.
 
2014-03-27 07:19:55 PM  
CNN: "...The study found nearly half of children with an autism spectrum disorder have average or above-average intellectual ability -- an IQ above 85 -- compared with one-third of children a decade ago...."

Wait, what?  I thought an average IQ was around 100. Or are they just talking about CNN's viewers and staff?
 
2014-03-27 07:24:16 PM  

Shazam999: whistleridge: The only group that is driving the anti-vaccine movement are middle-to-upper middle class whites, who almost universally lean right and spend too much time at church. They're self-centered idiots, who refuse to look at actual facts. Kind of like your post above.

Hmm, all the anti-vaxxers I know are extremely liberal.  And don't make much money.


The anti-vaxxers I know are upper-middle class liberals.
 
2014-03-27 07:25:28 PM  

zeio: hardinparamedic: Loreweaver: Stop diluting the definition of Autism to include brats with self-entitled helicopter parents!

Humor us and define Autism.

As a bonus, which of the diagnostic criteria of the DSM-V for autism and social development disorders do you disagree with, and why?

You should not expect anyone here to read the DSM - they are just armchair interneters that think this is all fun and games until one of their kids or relatives are diagnosed with an ASD.


I've read it well enough to keep my kids away from shrinks, if at all possible...

/diagnostic fads are nothing new
 
2014-03-27 07:32:55 PM  

farkinologist: There are some good things about vaccinations, and bad things, and some very bad things. Do the research, ask questions from credible resources and decide for yourself. Opinions are like a**holes, almost everybody has one, but not all of em work. For the record, I have two un-vaccinated kids, both alive, neither has autism, and as far as I know have not contracted any serious diseases. They both got whooping cough (pertussis), and survived it. They gave it to me and their mother and we are vaccinated, and survived it. I'm sure some of the meanies out there will be happy to hear we were "infected".

Try not to hate too much, just because not everybody chooses to believe everything their told, or do it the way you think it should be done.


I wonder how many children and adults contracted pertussis from your children.  I wonder if anyone down the line in the chain of infection died.  But hey, you and your partner and your kids are okay, so that's all just fine, then.
 
2014-03-27 07:33:33 PM  
85 is the avg IQ?!?

....the more ya know.... I guess....
 
2014-03-27 07:35:01 PM  
www.operatorchan.org
 
2014-03-27 07:36:29 PM  
Oh, Subby. You got me. Sort of.

At any rate, I doubt if vaccines have anything whatsoever to do with autism. It is more likely to be due to aging fathers, marriages between geeks, and other factors. It is almost assuredly congenital but not due to exposure to mercury compounds or vaccines. Some part of it is hereditary and random, but as the upper middle class men no longer marry secretaries or nurses but other doctors, lawyers, tech geeks, and rich people, the genes have a much higher risk of expression and crazy-ass parenting, electronics and sterile environments are triggering these genes or creating similar behaviour.

People don't have any historical sense, so they don't think of the large amount of class mixing that occurred before the Conservatives pitched us back into the Robber Baron or Gilded Age. Even the Conservatives never dreamt that men would be allowed to marry professionals and successful business partners.

Doctor-Doctor marriages are more dangerous than gay marriages. The professions are inbreeding at a tremendous rate, and that is a bad thing for everything except the concentration of wealth, income, power, education, intelligence and hereditary disease.

Look at the Jews--nothing wrong with them per se but the Ashkenazi Jews were exposed to dangerous levels of intelligence, neuroticism, and autism before there were words for such things. The Ashkenazi Jews had to invent words for all those things because they were the first people exposed to them by birth and by their professional practices as doctors, psychologists, psychiatrist, lawyers, and so forth. Most of pre-Enlightenment Europe was pretty dumb.

Especially the WASPS. The name of the Picts means "tattoed people". Britannia comes from the Greek pretannike, which also means "painted people". Until the Jews came along, the British were dying their bodies blue and running around nekkid because they didn't want their tats covered up.

Some mild inbreeding helps to concentrate both good and bad genes and the bad genes run themselves out of town. But the cost is terrible for many families. When the English lifted a centuries long ban on the Jews, the Englightenment and the Industrial and Scientific Revolutions happened. Because the smart people were no longer lyinng around moaning and groaning because the savages had pulled their gold teeth out and smashed their eye glasses.

It's not a coincidence. Apart from being Ashkenazi, eye glasses are about the only thing that correlates with intelligence consistently and sufficiently to be scienifically significant. Nobody has explained the Asians yet, but then the Japanese are a bit weird. Presumably thousands of years of exam taking have made half of Asia near-sighted and bookish, just like the Ashkenazi. Genetics and Environment are powerful alone, but in combination they are unstoppable. Just look at the rack on the extinct Irish Elk. Of course sexual selection was involved in that case, but that is another dangerous force that can lead to success and extinction.

Yup. Sexual selection for brains is very dangerous. All in all, it is not a good idea to breed for intelligence. Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. pointed out that big giant human brains are not an advantage, they are a handicap. He was one of the few.

I know two things that aren't causing autism:  smoking and tats. Because they are both things stupid people like to do in excess. You don't need big brains to kill you. Dumbth will do the job just as well.
 
2014-03-27 07:37:00 PM  
Also, apparently boys get vaccinated 4.5x as often as girls.
 
2014-03-27 07:41:58 PM  
Might I point out that the context of the article has very little to do with vaccination.

And while the CDC reports it is still seeing a higher prevalence of autism in white children relative to African-American and Hispanic children, "there's a greater percentage of people of color and in females being diagnosed now," says Scott Badesch, president and CEO of the Autism Society of America. "We're also seeing a great increase of diagnosis above the age of 8 in girls."

You also need to add in the population explosion since the 1960's. The bigger the population, the more prevalent various diseases and problems. If we ever stop killing off millions with assorted wars, police actions, terrorist attacks, rebellions and coups, we'll be standing shoulder to shoulder from coast to coast in a couple of decades.

You should be considering also the side effects of a burgeoning global population: the increase in pollution. With so many chemicals floating around these days, one never knows what can happen when several different types combine in the human body, absorbed through food, water, air and physical contact.

We're also, globally, a lot more radioactive than we were prior to the creation of the nuclear bomb.

So there can be a whole lot of factors which contribute to autism.
 
2014-03-27 07:42:33 PM  
whistleridge:
4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Not sure I agree re the driver's license, but strongly agree about keeping unvaccinated children out of public schools.  If parents refuse to vaccinate their kids, then they should expect society to treat their kids like lepers.

/and most of the dangerous diseases unvaccinated kids would spread are actually far more contagious than leprosy
 
2014-03-27 07:47:47 PM  
That's a lot of retarded people.  Remind me again why we need to support a bunch of useless retarded people with our taxes when it's difficult enough for normal people to get by?
 
2014-03-27 07:48:36 PM  

farkinologist: There are some good things about vaccinations, and bad things, and some very bad things. Do the research, ask questions from credible resources and decide for yourself. Opinions are like a**holes, almost everybody has one, but not all of em work. For the record, I have two un-vaccinated kids, both alive, neither has autism, and as far as I know have not contracted any serious diseases. They both got whooping cough (pertussis), and survived it. They gave it to me and their mother and we are vaccinated, and survived it. I'm sure some of the meanies out there will be happy to hear we were "infected".

Try not to hate too much, just because not everybody chooses to believe everything their told, or do it the way you think it should be done.


The asymptomatic transmission period for whooping cough is an average of 7 to 10 days with a range of 5 to 21 days. Whooping cough is highly contagious. I wonder how many people your family infected before being diagnosed and (hopefully) quarantined. I wonder if any of them were very young, very old, or immunosuppressed. I wonder if any of them had to be hospitalized. I wonder if any of them died.

But hey, you all survived, so that's what matters, right?
 
2014-03-27 07:50:11 PM  

whistleridge: just_intonation: whistleridge: Oh, well done. Very well done.

in other news, I have a simple carrot-and-stick solution to this problem:

1. The state has a clear vested interest in public health. if there is an epidemic, productivity drops, taxes go away, and the state takes on added expenses. If the epidemic is bad enough, it damages public order. Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.

2. The state builds and maintains its own schools and its own roads. These are public property.

3. Neither schooling nor roads are rights. Schooling may be obligatory, but public school is a privilege, as demonstrated by routine suspensions and expulsions.

4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Hit them in the wallet. That will shape them up really quickly. Sure, they'll sue, both for discrimination and for religious reasons, but they'll lose. There's not a court in the land that will uphold these assholes' right to not vaccinate against the state's right to regulate its roads. Particularly not when a clear public good is associated. 

It's simple: you can't drink and drive. You can't send your kids to school with guns. Likewise, you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

But you ARE still free to not vaccinate. You just won't like it.

Yeah, sure.  Your argument falls completely apart for those families who are on the gubmint teat, or here illegally (or both).  There's no wallet to hit, except OURS.

Now, to your point 4) above -- since the State is still being expected to provide education for kids of illegals (e.g. California) -- how about we expand that to say 'if you're not a citizen, and you have about 30 of those 68 kids yourself -- they can't come to school until they are vaccinated.  That hits them in the wallet a lot more.

Let's play a game. It's called 'who can be the stupidest asshole in the thread'.

Oh hey, look: you won! Congratulations! We can all tell you worked hard at it.

News flash: poor people get vaccines for free through public health programs. And they actually do it, because they can't afford to miss work because.

The only group that is driving the anti-vaccine movement are middle-to-upper middle class whites, who almost universally lean right and spend too much time at church. They're self-centered idiots, who refuse to look at actual facts. Kind of like your post above.

Thank you for playing though.


Yeah Jenny McCarthy seems like the type of woman to be a conservative church goer
 
2014-03-27 07:50:39 PM  

Skeptos: whistleridge:
4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Not sure I agree re the driver's license, but strongly agree about keeping unvaccinated children out of public schools.  If parents refuse to vaccinate their kids, then they should expect society to treat their kids like lepers.

/and most of the dangerous diseases unvaccinated kids would spread are actually far more contagious than leprosy


Keep them out of all shared spaces.
 
2014-03-27 07:55:48 PM  
I am on the autism spectrum.

The very far side that indicates I have no autism.
 
2014-03-27 07:56:30 PM  

jaytkay: Shazam999: whistleridge: The only group that is driving the anti-vaccine movement are middle-to-upper middle class whites, who almost universally lean right and spend too much time at church. They're self-centered idiots, who refuse to look at actual facts. Kind of like your post above.

Hmm, all the anti-vaxxers I know are extremely liberal.  And don't make much money.

The anti-vaxxers I know are upper-middle class liberals.


The only anti-vaxxers I've known have all been religious. They're all nutty fruitbags. I guess the outlet is just different.
 
2014-03-27 07:56:52 PM  

Pattuq: That's a lot of retarded people.  Remind me again why we need to support a bunch of useless retarded people with our taxes when it's difficult enough for normal people to get by?


I don't particularly mind my taxes going to support actual retarded people, or other people with legitimate disabilities that prevent them from fully participating in the economy -- that's something a civilized society should do as a matter of course.

Who I utterly loathe are people of normal cognitive ability who deliberately choose to be stupid and ignorant in ways that put the rest of us at risk, like the anti-vaccinators.

I'd be quite happy to see them starve.
 
2014-03-27 07:56:58 PM  
Scary tag? Really? The only thing dumber than that is 90% of the comments in this thread so far.
 
2014-03-27 07:57:52 PM  

filter: 85 is the avg IQ?!?

....the more ya know.... I guess....


I think that's for people who get their news from CNN.  100 is average for the rest of us.
 
2014-03-27 07:59:45 PM  

whistleridge: ...you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.


How is an unvaccinated kid, in a group of vaccinated kids, a danger to anybody?
 
2014-03-27 08:02:00 PM  

neilbradley: jaytkay: Shazam999: whistleridge: The only group that is driving the anti-vaccine movement are middle-to-upper middle class whites, who almost universally lean right and spend too much time at church. They're self-centered idiots, who refuse to look at actual facts. Kind of like your post above.

Hmm, all the anti-vaxxers I know are extremely liberal.  And don't make much money.

The anti-vaxxers I know are upper-middle class liberals.

The only anti-vaxxers I've known have all been religious. They're all nutty fruitbags. I guess the outlet is just different.


I have a friend with five kids - college educated, two parent family, good jobs, not especially religious. Jenny started her nonsense as my friend was pregnant with her youngest. The first four were vaccinated on schedule. The fifth was not. Guess which one is autistic.

Now he's fully vaccinated.
 
2014-03-27 08:03:43 PM  

godxam: filter: 85 is the avg IQ?!?

....the more ya know.... I guess....

I think that's for people who get their news from CNN.  100 is average for the rest of us.


55-65 for Fox News watchers though...
 
2014-03-27 08:05:00 PM  

DrPainMD: whistleridge: ...you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

How is an unvaccinated kid, in a group of vaccinated kids, a danger to anybody?


http://pediatrics.about.com/b/2014/03/19/not-vaccinating-your-kids-w ho -are-you-putting-at-risk.htm

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/249411.php
 
2014-03-27 08:05:09 PM  

MrBentor: CNN: "...The study found nearly half of children with an autism spectrum disorder have average or above-average intellectual ability -- an IQ above 85 -- compared with one-third of children a decade ago...."

Wait, what?  I thought an average IQ was around 100. Or are they just talking about CNN's viewers and staff?


I think it might be an awkward way of saying that the average IQ of autistics is equivalent to the total society's 85 IQ point (85USA = 100Autism). Half of autistic children are at or above that point (85USA), whereas a decade ago only a third of autistic children were at or above that point (85USA).
 
2014-03-27 08:05:29 PM  

DrPainMD: whistleridge: ...you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

How is an unvaccinated kid, in a group of vaccinated kids, a danger to anybody?


It's called herd immunity. I'm on a phone or I'd give you a link. Look it up on Wikipedia.

Basically, you need 95% of the herd to be immunized to get the benefit for everyone. Less, and it pops up again. Some places are pushing 90% now. LA is having problems with pertussis, NYC has measles, etc.
 
2014-03-27 08:05:33 PM  
According to the article, 1 in 45 males born in New Jersey have autism. That sounds staggeringly high.
 
2014-03-27 08:07:49 PM  

Alonjar: According to the article, 1 in 45 males born in New Jersey have autism. That sounds staggeringly high.


The numbers are horseshiat, that's why.  They apply the "Autism" label to anyone who has any sort of social difficulty so they can sell those people drugs.
 
2014-03-27 08:09:25 PM  
Autism researcher here.

As for autism related to vaccines, there are conflicting theories and frankly the biological mechanism is feasible.  But, more research needs to be done, and insofar the positive contributions of vaccines to society far outweigh any known risks at this time.

On the other hand, a theory that I have been looking into for the past few years in the feasibility of autism being triggered by excessive ultrasound exposure in the womb.  There are some side effects of ultrasound exposure that can be linked directly with autism symptoms.

Whatever it is, we need to find out what is causing this rise and fast.  If you extrapolate the data, in about 50 years we will have like ... 50 autists for every 1 non-ASD.  So, wouldn't autism then become neurotypical?
 
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  4. Click here to submit a link.

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