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2014-03-27 04:36:04 PM  
Idiots. Every single one of those parents should be jailed for child endangerment.
 
2014-03-27 04:41:59 PM  
I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.
 
2014-03-27 04:44:49 PM  
NO NO NO NO NO SUBMITTER. That is COMPLETELY incorrect.

1 in 65 children who get vaccinated have autism.

The rest obviously weren't vaccinated in the first place so obviously that other 1 in 3 won't have autism.
 
2014-03-27 04:48:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.


Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?
 
2014-03-27 05:02:52 PM  

raerae1980: Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?


As I understand it, the current research is focusing on neurological development and growth in utero, as studies have identified increased pre-frontal neuronal density as one of the common factors in children and adults who are on the Autism spectrum.

So much of the anti-vaccination movement, however, boils down to their child (or the person themselves) being a victim of something they can't even understand. If you want to lose faith in humanity, click on over to the Age Of Autism blog, and read the way some of these idiots talk about their own children. They actually believe their child would have been better off dead.
 
2014-03-27 05:04:22 PM  

raerae1980: hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.

Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?


Hey now.  No dodging your Boobies.  You swallowed that hook ;-)
 
2014-03-27 05:05:39 PM  

Diogenes: raerae1980: hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.

Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?

Hey now.  No dodging your Boobies.  You swallowed that hook ;-)


Agreed. It's a full on motorboating now.
 
2014-03-27 05:09:59 PM  
Oh, well done. Very well done.

in other news, I have a simple carrot-and-stick solution to this problem:

1. The state has a clear vested interest in public health. if there is an epidemic, productivity drops, taxes go away, and the state takes on added expenses. If the epidemic is bad enough, it damages public order. Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.

2. The state builds and maintains its own schools and its own roads. These are public property.

3. Neither schooling nor roads are rights. Schooling may be obligatory, but public school is a privilege, as demonstrated by routine suspensions and expulsions.

4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Hit them in the wallet. That will shape them up really quickly. Sure, they'll sue, both for discrimination and for religious reasons, but they'll lose. There's not a court in the land that will uphold these assholes' right to not vaccinate against the state's right to regulate its roads. Particularly not when a clear public good is associated. 

It's simple: you can't drink and drive. You can't send your kids to school with guns. Likewise, you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

But you ARE still free to not vaccinate. You just won't like it.
 
2014-03-27 05:12:47 PM  
Golf clap for the headline, subby!
 
2014-03-27 05:23:09 PM  

Diogenes: raerae1980: hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.

Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?

Hey now.  No dodging your Boobies.  You swallowed that hook ;-)


Eh, I've swallowed worst.
 
2014-03-27 05:34:27 PM  

raerae1980: Diogenes: raerae1980: hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.

Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?

Hey now.  No dodging your Boobies.  You swallowed that hook ;-)

Eh, I've swallowed worst.


I swallowed your last post.
 
2014-03-27 05:35:33 PM  
Damn. That's what I get for trying to poke the filter with a stick.

When did that change?
 
2014-03-27 05:38:08 PM  

fusillade762: Damn. That's what I get for trying to poke the filter with a stick.

When did that change?


Lol
 
2014-03-27 05:57:44 PM  
That's okay, the world is overpopulated
 
2014-03-27 06:01:51 PM  
Subby,

thumbs.ifood.tv

...is very unhappy with you right now.

/You may need a spanking
 
2014-03-27 06:03:41 PM  

fusillade762: Damn. That's what I get for trying to poke the filter with a stick.

When did that change?


It's always been that way.
/the trick is to make it flow with the filter.
//cute header, subby!
 
2014-03-27 06:04:37 PM  
We used to call them hyper.
 
2014-03-27 06:05:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: raerae1980: Did I hear correctly when I heard that autism begins in the womb, which would be before vaccinations begins?

As I understand it, the current research is focusing on neurological development and growth in utero, as studies have identified increased pre-frontal neuronal density as one of the common factors in children and adults who are on the Autism spectrum.

So much of the anti-vaccination movement, however, boils down to their child (or the person themselves) being a victim of something they can't even understand. If you want to lose faith in humanity, click on over to the Age Of Autism blog, and read the way some of these idiots talk about their own children. They actually believe their child would have been better off dead.


Can't they just keep the front door unlocked and the problem solves itself?
 
2014-03-27 06:07:01 PM  
CSB:

My sister told me about her friends that had a child they were convinced was mildly autistic.  He'd get upset at busy malls, get mad at meals, and get so upset he'd knock his head on the floor.  I told her that he wasn't autistic, he was normal and their parents needed to discipline the child.  Turns out they started to discipline him and lo and behold, he acted better.
 
2014-03-27 06:08:45 PM  
I'm fine with people not vaccinating their kids, as long as they're fine with us bringing back medieval leper colonies and us forcing them to live there.
 
2014-03-27 06:12:15 PM  
slowclap.jpg
 
2014-03-27 06:14:17 PM  
They keep lowering the bar on what autism means, don't they.
 
2014-03-27 06:16:16 PM  
Nice one, subby.
 
2014-03-27 06:17:15 PM  
dat headline
 
2014-03-27 06:20:31 PM  

whistleridge: Oh, well done. Very well done.

in other news, I have a simple carrot-and-stick solution to this problem:

1. The state has a clear vested interest in public health. if there is an epidemic, productivity drops, taxes go away, and the state takes on added expenses. If the epidemic is bad enough, it damages public order. Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.

2. The state builds and maintains its own schools and its own roads. These are public property.

3. Neither schooling nor roads are rights. Schooling may be obligatory, but public school is a privilege, as demonstrated by routine suspensions and expulsions.

4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Hit them in the wallet. That will shape them up really quickly. Sure, they'll sue, both for discrimination and for religious reasons, but they'll lose. There's not a court in the land that will uphold these assholes' right to not vaccinate against the state's right to regulate its roads. Particularly not when a clear public good is associated. 

It's simple: you can't drink and drive. You can't send your kids to school with guns. Likewise, you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

But you ARE still free to not vaccinate. You just won't like it.


People have totally forgotten about the raging polio epidemics that occurred that totally shut down cities.  No one went to school, no one went to work, government services were shut down...  Everybody just stayed in their homes for a few WEEKS hoping that the epidemic would subside.
 
2014-03-27 06:22:24 PM  
I love what you did there, subs.
 
2014-03-27 06:22:39 PM  
Subby definitely got me to click the link, but not before I let out a loud, involuntary "What the fark...!!?"
 
2014-03-27 06:23:23 PM  

hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.


What about children of the anti-vaxxers  coming down being born with autism?
 
2014-03-27 06:24:47 PM  

Shazam999: CSB:

My sister told me about her friends that had a child they were convinced was mildly autistic.  He'd get upset at busy malls, get mad at meals, and get so upset he'd knock his head on the floor.  I told her that he wasn't autistic, he was normal and their parents needed to discipline the child.  Turns out they started to discipline him and lo and behold, he acted better.


People often look to an external locus of control to explain why they suck ass at stuff.

/i blame white folk
 
2014-03-27 06:26:02 PM  
If my dog is required to have a rabies shot kids should be required to have their shots as well.
 
2014-03-27 06:26:49 PM  
A condition that may be legitimate for a small fraction of the population is blown out of proportion by worried parents that their snowflakes are not perfect and drug companies making money what?
 
2014-03-27 06:27:59 PM  
FTA- there's been a 30% increase  in just the last two years in the prevalence of autism.   Sounds like it's contagious!  (After all, if you're born with it or acquire it at age 1 with your vaccinations, the prevalence in children couldn't possibly go up 30% in just two years, could it?)

/This is why you should never read about things having to do with epidemiology or statistics from CNN.  They post crap like "1 in 68 children now has autism, a 30% increase from 1 in 88 two years ago."  Dut dut dunhh!  The "30% increase in 2 years" statement is meaningless.  Why even report it when it's obvious the two things being compared are not similar observations- far more likely is a definition of "autism spectrum disorder" changed, sampling methods changed, reporting requirements changed, what have you.  I despair for our innumerate society.
 
2014-03-27 06:34:29 PM  
Great, McCarthyism on the rise again.

/farking AWtism
 
2014-03-27 06:34:37 PM  
The general takeaway I have from viewing comments tabs across the web: many people have a pre-formed opinion on what autism is and isn't, and no arguing changes it. That's one of the precious few facts I've been able to ascertain about the condition so far. That, and that chelation therapy is a scam that has a chance at killing your kid, autism or no. I also discovered that the Danes had a comprehensive national study that found no correlation between vaccinations and autism rates, but that few people have even heard of it. Also, even though Andrew Wakefield (the guy who pretty much established the "link" between autism and vaccinations, specifically the MMR scheduled ones) has been discredited and censured, he still maintains (note I don't say believes) his innocence, and claims that big Pharma and the government are smearing him to hide the truth! I believe he still accepts donations to help with his legal bills etc. Other than that? I know fark all about what's causing it and how screwed homo sapiens sapiens may soon be.
 
2014-03-27 06:35:58 PM  
I lol'ed.
 
2014-03-27 06:37:14 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: The general takeaway I have from viewing comments tabs across the web: many people have a pre-formed opinion on what autism is and isn't, and no arguing changes it. That's one of the precious few facts I've been able to ascertain about the condition so far. That, and that chelation therapy is a scam that has a chance at killing your kid, autism or no. I also discovered that the Danes had a comprehensive national study that found no correlation between vaccinations and autism rates, but that few people have even heard of it. Also, even though Andrew Wakefield (the guy who pretty much established the "link" between autism and vaccinations, specifically the MMR scheduled ones) has been discredited and censured, he still maintains (note I don't say believes) his innocence, and claims that big Pharma and the government are smearing him to hide the truth! I believe he still accepts donations to help with his legal bills etc. Other than that? I know fark all about what's causing it and how screwed homo sapiens sapiens may soon be.


also. pre-empting [citation_needed.jpg]  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/
 
2014-03-27 06:37:56 PM  
If autism was caused by vaccinations and more specifically thermarasol or whatever it's called every kid vaccinated in the 60s and 70s would have been exposed to it before they removed it from vaccinations. As a child born in the 70s I don't recall any autistic kids. We may have had kids called hyperactive but no where near the numbers the anti vax folks would need to support their BS
 
2014-03-27 06:40:40 PM  
I suspect autism and a lot of other disorders are on the rise because of couples waiting until they are over 30 to start families. A man's sperm and a woman's eggs are at their best while we are in our 20s. After that, the odds that they will be damaged go way up.
 
2014-03-27 06:42:32 PM  
oh the places youll troll, subby.
 
2014-03-27 06:42:51 PM  
Nice job, subby. This is going to be a hilarious thread full of confusion due to many cases of  DRTFArtileritis (no vaccine for that either)
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-27 06:45:41 PM  
On the issue of "diagnosing" Autism Spectrum Disorder:

A note to all medical personnel and psychiatric quacks:
Kids who are merely socially awkward, or have never been properly disciplined by their parents, ARE NOT AUTISTIC, YOU FREAKING RETARDS!

Stop diluting the definition of Autism to include brats with self-entitled helicopter parents!

Sincerely,
Uncle of an Autistic child
 
2014-03-27 06:47:32 PM  

hardinparamedic: I've always said this country needs a few good epidemics of vaccine preventable disease, and thousands of dead and crippled people as a result of it before people stop listening to outright idiots who got their medical degrees at the University of Google.

That said, there is zero evidence that autism is caused by vaccination or a vaccine component, out of almost twenty five years of intense studies on the matter.

Also, bravo, submitter. You'll get a few bites.


You actually believe all of this is attributable to the Jenny McCarthys of the world and your MD from UG?

Hardly.

And I'll guarantee you that the difference is not attributable to the Religious Right, the Tea Party, Republicans or any of that usual brand of derp.
 
2014-03-27 06:47:50 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Nice job, subby. This is going to be a hilarious thread full of confusion due to many cases of  DRTFArtileritis (no vaccine for that either)


Of which I am totally guilt of B-)
 
2014-03-27 06:50:45 PM  

Loreweaver: Stop diluting the definition of Autism to include brats with self-entitled helicopter parents!


Humor us and define Autism.

As a bonus, which of the diagnostic criteria of the DSM-V for autism and social development disorders do you disagree with, and why?
 
2014-03-27 06:50:49 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Nice job, subby. This is going to be a hilarious thread full of confusion due to many cases of  DRTFArtileritis


Between that and the Michelle Obama thread, this has turned into a trollmitter kinda day.  Not complaining.
 
2014-03-27 06:50:59 PM  
"1 in 68 U.S. children has autism"
No. No they don't.

I dare say that if there was a law that required autistic children to be euthanized there would a lot more engaged parents with well adjusted/behaved kids.

I suggest we start with the "Indigo" children first.
 
2014-03-27 06:52:46 PM  

just_intonation: You actually believe all of this is attributable to the Jenny McCarthys of the world and your MD from UG?


No. I believe that anti-vaccination is older than the internet, and even the telegraph. What I do know is that the Jenny McCarthies of the world are the public face of the anti-vaccination movement, and the face of one of the most prevalent anti-science movements in the world at this current time.

just_intonation: And I'll guarantee you that the difference is not attributable to the Religious Right, the Tea Party, Republicans or any of that usual brand of derp.


Anti-vaccination is a derp which is truly bipartisan.
 
2014-03-27 06:53:42 PM  

whistleridge: Oh, well done. Very well done.

in other news, I have a simple carrot-and-stick solution to this problem:

1. The state has a clear vested interest in public health. if there is an epidemic, productivity drops, taxes go away, and the state takes on added expenses. If the epidemic is bad enough, it damages public order. Therefore, the state has a legitimate reason to regulate this issue.

2. The state builds and maintains its own schools and its own roads. These are public property.

3. Neither schooling nor roads are rights. Schooling may be obligatory, but public school is a privilege, as demonstrated by routine suspensions and expulsions.

4. QED: if you don't have your kids vaccinated, you can't send your kids to public school, and you lose your driver's license. But you ARE still obligated to provide for their schooling.

Hit them in the wallet. That will shape them up really quickly. Sure, they'll sue, both for discrimination and for religious reasons, but they'll lose. There's not a court in the land that will uphold these assholes' right to not vaccinate against the state's right to regulate its roads. Particularly not when a clear public good is associated. 

It's simple: you can't drink and drive. You can't send your kids to school with guns. Likewise, you can't drive around spreading your preventable epidemics, and you can't send your kids to school to do the same. It's simple prevention.

But you ARE still free to not vaccinate. You just won't like it.


Yeah, sure.  Your argument falls completely apart for those families who are on the gubmint teat, or here illegally (or both).  There's no wallet to hit, except OURS.

Now, to your point 4) above -- since the State is still being expected to provide education for kids of illegals (e.g. California) -- how about we expand that to say 'if you're not a citizen, and you have about 30 of those 68 kids yourself -- they can't come to school until they are vaccinated.  That hits them in the wallet a lot more.
 
2014-03-27 06:58:55 PM  
Good. We need a new plague to wipe out most of the human race, since war isn't going to do it at this rate.
 
2014-03-27 06:59:20 PM  
They could argue disparate impact if you craft as law that is aimed at excluding Latinos without specifically saying it is exclusionary on its face.

You have a good chance of excluding Asians and Whites in the public interest, though.
 
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