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2014-03-27 04:34:47 PM  
Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.
 
2014-03-27 05:56:23 PM  
Do better at what?
 
2014-03-27 05:57:48 PM  
That's just madness, Reefer Madness
 
2014-03-27 05:58:50 PM  
correlation is not causation.
 
2014-03-27 06:01:33 PM  
(hopefully) in before a multitude of farkers who will claim they do EVERYTHING better when they're stoned.

/  play video games
// comment in wrasslin' threads
/// remember not to piss themselves
 
2014-03-27 06:02:37 PM  
That's because kids that smoke cigarettes usually learn that at home.  And so they got dumb, tobacco smoking parents.  Whereas with marijuana, which is still by and large illegal, there is the more likely scenario of parents who do use trying to hide it from their kids.  WTF kind of study is this?  Why would you do this study?
 
2014-03-27 06:06:01 PM  

trappedspirit: That's because kids that smoke cigarettes usually learn that at home.  And so they got dumb, tobacco smoking parents.  Whereas with marijuana, which is still by and large illegal, there is the more likely scenario of parents who do use trying to hide it from their kids.  WTF kind of study is this?  Why would you do this study?


Nope the kids who smoke cigarettes are too busy screwing (if she smokes she pokes) the stoned kids are too high to find the remote control and are forced to watch PBS after mom watched Downtown Abby.
 
2014-03-27 06:11:47 PM  
I think we need to take a similar approach to global warming.   If there is a chance that it might help kids then we should do it.    No need for science to be settled.

Start spending the money to get weed distributed in all schools.    Not matter what the cost.

...think of the children
 
2014-03-27 06:11:56 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.


1/10, too quick off the line.
 
2014-03-27 06:15:17 PM  

Tom_Slick: trappedspirit: That's because kids that smoke cigarettes usually learn that at home.  And so they got dumb, tobacco smoking parents.  Whereas with marijuana, which is still by and large illegal, there is the more likely scenario of parents who do use trying to hide it from their kids.  WTF kind of study is this?  Why would you do this study?

Nope the kids who smoke cigarettes are too busy screwing (if she smokes she pokes) the stoned kids are too high to find the remote control and are forced to watch PBS after mom watched Downtown Abby.


Dad?
 
2014-03-27 06:17:01 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.


Ever try riding your bike at a train... ON WEED?
 
2014-03-27 06:25:20 PM  
FTFA: kids who abstain from smoking of any kind do best of all.

Didn't have to read any further.
 
2014-03-27 06:26:05 PM  
In a related study...

Kids who some weed are more likely to think the teacher is staring at them...

and the other students...

and the clock...

and the pencil sharpener...

AAAaghhh!
 
2014-03-27 06:26:51 PM  
Well, frankly speaking, you do have to be pretty stupid to take up cigarettes.  Of course they're not going to do well in school.
 
2014-03-27 06:28:26 PM  
It's cause they're rebels, man. Rebels without a cause.
 
2014-03-27 06:29:53 PM  
My boy is a straight A student and an 18 year old senior with a job and going to college in the fall, and I'm pretty sure he's been smoking pot since 9th or 10th grade. Not much I can do about it short of locking him up in our house (he could just move out now if he wanted anyway). But he doesn't get in trouble at school. I have never ever had to tell him to do his homework, or get mad about a report card. He's the one that got mad at himself when he got a got a B and dinged his GPA. He was capt of his High School hockey team. And as far as I can tell they aren't drinking - and that would piss me off more than anything. I would rather them smoke pot all day long than drink alcohol ever.

I couldn't be prouder of the kid.
 
2014-03-27 06:34:53 PM  
If you're so farking retarded that by now you haven't figured out how stupid cigarette smoking is, then, yeah, you're probably not going to test well.

whatsupchuck: Well, frankly speaking, you do have to be pretty stupid to take up cigarettes.  Of course they're not going to do well in school.



::shakes fist::
 
2014-03-27 06:36:42 PM  
Of course, it does also say that those that go without either do better, but let's not let facts get in the way of a good pot thread..

//in favor of legalization, but we need to keep it honest and respectful...
 
2014-03-27 06:38:06 PM  

p0nk: correlation is not causation.


The correlation here is, kids dumb enough to pick up smoking are dumb at school as well.
 
2014-03-27 06:46:01 PM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: My boy is a straight A student and an 18 year old senior with a job and going to college in the fall, and I'm pretty sure he's been smoking pot since 9th or 10th grade. Not much I can do about it short of locking him up in our house (he could just move out now if he wanted anyway). But he doesn't get in trouble at school. I have never ever had to tell him to do his homework, or get mad about a report card. He's the one that got mad at himself when he got a got a B and dinged his GPA. He was capt of his High School hockey team. And as far as I can tell they aren't drinking - and that would piss me off more than anything. I would rather them smoke pot all day long than drink alcohol ever.

I couldn't be prouder of the kid.


Your kids sounds like me when I was in school. Good for him! I used to beat myself up over a B too, you get over it in college I'll tell you that lol. Alcohol is much more destructive to a persons life than weed, believe me I have seen 3 generations of my family suffer through alcohol abuse to no good end. That is why I don't understand all the demonization of weed. If alcohol and cigarettes are legal and taxed, why not weed? Because semantics I guess. I have troubles sleeping, and can go days without it, not that I don't want to sleep(insomnia). If one joint a night before I go to bed to help me sleep makes me a bad person then I guess I'm a bad person. Some may call it self medicating, I call it my relaxation tool.
 
2014-03-27 06:46:35 PM  

LazyMedia: If you're so farking retarded that by now you haven't figured out how stupid cigarette smoking is, then, yeah, you're probably not going to test well.

whatsupchuck: Well, frankly speaking, you do have to be pretty stupid to take up cigarettes.  Of course they're not going to do well in school.


::shakes fist::


Well stated.
 
2014-03-27 06:53:51 PM  
THEY. HAVE. GOT. MORE. MONEY.

The upper middle class kids who can afford to buy pot or steal from their siblings, parents, grandparents, domestics, teachers, etc., do better in school. They are probably smarter on average, but they are also more motivated (by bright futures in business and the professions, not to mention engaged parents and tutors and nannies). They also profit from going to better schools and having enriched home environments where peculiar things like book cases may be found and TVs may be in a $10,000 solid wood Armoire, tucked out of sight in a special room, perhaps.

They might even see their parents from time to time and in some of the more conservative or intelligent households, may even see them at meals, at a table, in a special room set aside for "dining" or "breakfast".

Always ask yourself what the role of class, income and wealth in these sociology or psychology studies.

MONEY. MONEY. MONEY. IT'S A RICH MAN'S WORLD.

The top four students in my graduating class were Miss A (business), Miss B (farming?) and Miss C (veterinary medicine and medicine). And then there was me (business). Miss Popularity (business) and Mr. Popularity (gay). Class Brains (Miss A and me).

Nothing succeeds like success. Preferably a century or two of ancestral success. You can work your way up from the bottom but most of the real successes work their way up from just below the top. It is a lot easier to follow a well-trodden path. Your future is almost certainly a little better, a little worse, or about the same as your Father's future was.
 
2014-03-27 06:56:18 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.


/Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train isn't normal.
//But on meth it is.
 
2014-03-27 06:58:41 PM  

LazyMedia: If you're so farking retarded that by now you haven't figured out how stupid cigarette smoking is, then, yeah, you're probably not going to test well.


Speaking of retarded...

IF you want to be healthy as possible, yeah, smoking is bad.

The act in and of itself is not retarded.  Many people take great joy in doing a great many things that are unhealthy.  Really, almost all of us.  If you don't partake of one in particular, it doesn't mean you have better or smarter priorities, just different priorities. If you don't partake in any, that tends to paint you more the puritan sort, kind of like Hitler.  He was anti- a lot of things.  Maybe you've heard of him?

_______________________

As to the article:

Correlation vs causation as noted above.

Smokers, of either plant, or people who live "clean" are going to tend to come from different backgrounds respective to each category.

Both types of smoking are typically born of peer pressure and/or rebellion.  Rebellious people are going to tend to do worse in classes than people who respect or blindly follow authority.

In today's social climate, smoking tobacco is more rebellious than smoking weed.  Studies also show that tobacco users tend to come from backgrounds that are less well off, artificially lowering the impact education has. IOW, it's harder to pay attention in class when you're struggling or stressing about other aspects of life.  That also works the other way(and is more likely the cause), the people with harsher backgrounds are more apt to partake of smoking one thing or another, just to get away, to find what meager pleasure that they can, no matter how short lived it may be, or how dangerous it could be.

It's not a matter of intelligence, our vices, but a matter of choosing to partake in them to stay sane, to reward ourselves. Some people eat, some drink, some smoke, some become raging assholes on the internet so that they can feel better about themselves(LazyMedia). None of those is inherently "better", "smarter", or more "retarded" than any other.

We are guaranteed the right to pursue happiness.  Villifying people for doing just that in their own way is sort of psychotic.  You should think about seeking help for your condition.
 
2014-03-27 06:59:09 PM  

The_Hairy_Gooch: Some may call it self medicating, I call it my relaxation tool.


The funny thing about this is that usually the same person calling it self-medicating can't wake up without coffee..
 
2014-03-27 07:01:33 PM  
I didn't smoke cigarettes in school and smoked a hell of a lot of ganja and well, my GPA wasn't that great.
 
2014-03-27 07:02:04 PM  
OK. I forgt to finish a key sentence there.

The missing part of the sentence: ... "is".

Do you want a definition? Go ask a lawyer. Or Bill Clinton. I bet he knows.
 
2014-03-27 07:04:05 PM  

brantgoose: Your future is almost certainly a little better, a little worse, or about the same as your Father's future was.


This is all that needs to be said, really.

And yeah, if you are dumb enough to take up smoking cigarettes, you've already indicated you are dumber than a box of rocks, so a self-selecting group bias is in place there already.
 
2014-03-27 07:14:30 PM  
Didn't start the mota until I was 19. So, no problems in school.

/drank like a fish starting at 12 though... quit whiskey at 16 because I went to a party around one on a Saturday afternoon, drank an entire bottle of Jack Black... drove home around 5:30-6:00 pm... was sitting talking to my mom around 8:00 while she got ready for work and suddenly realized I was stone sober. Figured maybe that was a warning.
//CSB?
 
2014-03-27 07:18:33 PM  
omeganuepsilon: (post above)

I posted my post before I saw yours. I might have to rethink my dumber than a box of rocks comment based on your post.

Here's the thing I was taught: after becoming addicted to nicotine, a smoker is not getting any sort of high from smoking cigarettes, but rather alleviating the symptoms of withdrawal, which would never have occurred had they not taken up smoking in the first place. So there is no net gain. If that is false, and there is some sort of actual pleasure gained that is not based purely on the cessation of withdrawal discomforts, then I have to concede that I cannot fault anyone for seeking to find some meagre amount of pleasure in a dreary life.
 
2014-03-27 07:33:22 PM  
I went from being a B/B+ student my first two years in high school to straight A's after I started smoking weed junior year.

/QED
//Teachers couldn't complain too much about the "bad crowd" I fell in with because I was doing so much better.
///CSB
 
2014-03-27 07:52:16 PM  

Nidiot: omeganuepsilon: (post above)

I posted my post before I saw yours. I might have to rethink my dumber than a box of rocks comment based on your post.

Here's the thing I was taught: after becoming addicted to nicotine, a smoker is not getting any sort of high from smoking cigarettes, but rather alleviating the symptoms of withdrawal, which would never have occurred had they not taken up smoking in the first place. So there is no net gain. If that is false, and there is some sort of actual pleasure gained that is not based purely on the cessation of withdrawal discomforts, then I have to concede that I cannot fault anyone for seeking to find some meagre amount of pleasure in a dreary life.


Nicotine is a stimulant.  Not so different from coffee's caffeine(and people are absolutely crazy over that).  If that stimulant has warn off, the next dose can again stimulate.

And of course, with both, you can take a step up, then another.  Dwindling returns of course, and there's always OD, though I'm not sure what the symptoms of that would be.

I wouldn't call what you go through with either of them "withdrawl".  Mostly because the rapid and subtle scale at which they work(when done in normal moderation, sure, if you go overboard you actually crash, and that is withdrawl).  Wanting another dose, is not withdrawl, it's addiction.

That's in my own words mind you.  But that is what I think withdrawl is(and I'm entirely too lazy at the moment to look it up to make sure I'm being clear.  Have 38 hours in this work week already[left early today] and I've got 2 days to go still).  The purging and/or loss of that high(or down, whichever).

Some chain smokers may do what you're talking about, trying to retain that high, but they're a special breed, certainly not representative of all users.

With smoking there's also nervous habit.  If I'm not smoking, I like to keep my hands busy, have various gizmo's or objects to fiddle with while watching a movie.

And mind you, that's not a withdrawl nervous, a more general need to be doing something.  Some people knit, some play with their hair, some absolutely love to play with the phone cord(remember phone cords?  lol).  Ever since I was a small child my fingers had to be doing something.  I LOVED toys.  Even when I took up reading as a hobby my fingers didn't get a break because I'd fiddle with the bookmark and wear it out from folding, flipping, rubbing, splitting the layers, etc.

I'm a natural tinkerer.  I take things apart, fiddle with the pieces, sometimes succeed in putting things back together.  I build and modify things.

To smoking there is very much a physical habit that's not necessarily relevant to the drug at all.  I can go for hours but I do tend to put things in my lips, or chew at a peeling spot.  Always did that before I smoked as well.  I pick at things that peel, paint on the picknic table to sunburnt skin.

For me, smoking helped fill that borderline OCD.  Sure, it's bad for my health, but I enjoy it.  It's not a rationalization either, I've quit for long periods, and tried different delivery systems.  Sure, I'm still addicted.  I can admit that, it even impacts my health.

But in my perspective, a life devoid of things you find pleasurable is a life wasted.  I don't want to be a grumpy puritan who lives to be 109.

I want to be a person who's lived a happy life, and I do.  I'll die with a smile on my face, and not years and years of looking down my nose jealous of people who do manage to enjoy themselves.

That's what I find disturbing about most non-smokers(those that make it clear in no uncertain terms at any rate).  Take a given restaurant or bar and observe the people.  Those that are giving dirty looks are most often, by a large margin, giving angry looks to people having fun, laughing, enjoying themselves.

That's not me.  I'm laughing, laughing with others, or getting laughed at(a fan of self depreciating humor).  I'm enjoying life.  That it pisses people off is beyond me, but it still makes me laugh. Sure, sometimes it's a sad laugh, but it's still.

/pardon the long diatribe if you're not interested, hell, maybe I missed the ball and you meant "you're not just stupid, your IQ doubled wouldn't top your shoe size" or something.
//it's one way I relax and get my mind off work or other important things
///imo, a lot of people could do with a significant increase in how much they reflect on life in general
 
2014-03-27 08:01:22 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.


DERP
 
2014-03-27 08:44:42 PM  
If Johnny buys an ounce for $300 and an ounce has 28.3 grams, how is he paying per gram?
If he wants to earns a 25% mark up from his friends and a 100% mark up from strangers and sells
one third to his friends and one third to strangers and keeps a third for himself, then what is his
profit/loss?

Well you get the idea. You dont deal with this buying a pack of smokes. No wonder they do better.
 
2014-03-27 08:53:20 PM  
omeganuepsilon: (post above)

Thank you, I enjoyed your posts, both of them.

"But in my perspective, a life devoid of things you find pleasurable is a life wasted.  I don't want to be a grumpy puritan who lives to be 109."

I agree 100 percent on that. I based any criticism on smoking on the idea that there wasn't any buzz, after the early stages, and such the person was deluded in their search for pleasure because all they were really getting was a relief from the discomfort of not getting the stimulant their body now craves due to addiction. If that is not the case, then that particular reason is no longer valid.

Creating an addiction still doesn't seem smart though. I'd be happy if they could take it or leave smoking a cigarette, go a day without, only choose to smoke because they like it, then no problem. Choosing to use a chemical because it enhances your experience of life is okay with me. Starting a habit that will make you not able to go a day, or even some hours, without using doesn't seem smart. At some point there will be an occasion where you can't get your fix, and then you are miserable. Setting yourself up for misery doesn't seem particularly smart.

I must say the smokers I know seem to find air travel, concerts or any other indoor activity that hinders their ability to smoke, quite debilitating experiences, where all they are thinking is how soon can they get outside for a smoke. This seems to subtract from any other enjoyment they might have gained from the occasion. When they don't get their fix on time they get irritable and jittery and clearly are not happy.

I fail to see why anyone would choose to create a dependence on something that it takes over life in such a way. There doesn't seem to be a net gain from living a life where you might get some enjoyment when there is a lit cigarette between your lips, but the rest of the time is spent consumed with a desire to get to the point where there is a lit cigarette between your lips. Being dependent on a chemical to get through life is almost like a diabetic in need of insulin, which is most unfortunate, and something no one would choose deliberately.

Doing something for pleasure makes sense. Creating a dependence that will rule your life, seems less sensible, but hey, that's just my opinion.
 
2014-03-27 09:00:52 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.


I doubt it. Without a helmet is probably safer, because it's less likely to obstruct your eyes or ears from detecting the train before you get smashed into a thousand pieces.
 
2014-03-27 09:24:44 PM  
www.bestofvegas.com
 
2014-03-27 09:48:33 PM  
$24.87 profit! woo-hoo

Do we have to show our work?

I hope not cause I just burned one and its kind of messy...
 
2014-03-27 09:59:26 PM  

proteus_b: InterruptingQuirk: Riding your bike on railroad tracks towards a speeding train with a helmet is safer than without a helmet.

I doubt it. Without a helmet is probably safer, because it's less likely to obstruct your eyes or ears from detecting the train before you get smashed into a thousand pieces.


What kind of helmet do you regularly wear?
 
2014-03-28 01:17:59 AM  
a "major" study from Canada, but without a link to the study.

In fact, the actual study doesn't say zip shiat about kids smoking weed doing better than any other student.

The study does say that since 2011 "all" students surveyed that smoke tobacco also smoke weed.

So, per the study, 92% of students that smoke tobacco also smoke weed.

That. Is. It.

Subby is obviously a dumbshiat, and probably uses wikipedia, and have never been educated beyond a 2-year/community college level.
 
2014-03-28 10:51:21 AM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: My boy is a straight A student and an 18 year old senior with a job and going to college in the fall, and I'm pretty sure he's been smoking pot since 9th or 10th grade. Not much I can do about it short of locking him up in our house (he could just move out now if he wanted anyway). But he doesn't get in trouble at school. I have never ever had to tell him to do his homework, or get mad about a report card. He's the one that got mad at himself when he got a got a B and dinged his GPA. He was capt of his High School hockey team. And as far as I can tell they aren't drinking - and that would piss me off more than anything. I would rather them smoke pot all day long than drink alcohol ever.

I couldn't be prouder of the kid.


The valedictorian girl of my highschool smoked cannabis on the weekends.
 
2014-03-28 12:14:57 PM  

busy chillin': purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: My boy is a straight A student and an 18 year old senior with a job and going to college in the fall, and I'm pretty sure he's been smoking pot since 9th or 10th grade. Not much I can do about it short of locking him up in our house (he could just move out now if he wanted anyway). But he doesn't get in trouble at school. I have never ever had to tell him to do his homework, or get mad about a report card. He's the one that got mad at himself when he got a got a B and dinged his GPA. He was capt of his High School hockey team. And as far as I can tell they aren't drinking - and that would piss me off more than anything. I would rather them smoke pot all day long than drink alcohol ever.

I couldn't be prouder of the kid.

The valedictorian girl of my highschool smoked cannabis on the weekends.


The capt of the cheerleaders, miss popular, who was also an officer of some kind. I think VP. She would sneak of with us to listen to punk rock, and smoke pot, but at school she didn't know us - and we respected that. We didn't want to screw up being able to hang with her. She was cute.

/She went on to be the booking manager for The Offspring and most other Epitaph record's bands.
//and got really fat
 
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