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(The Nation)   A while back we sent California thousands of Okies. Now they seem to be returning the favor with thousands of earthquakes. Thanks for that   (thenation.com) divider line 73
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2014-03-27 03:48:15 PM  
The term "Okie" is still considered offensive to many people in California (but is celebrated by others). I should think that FARK staff should be more careful about re-printing headlines that are considered offensive or insensitive. By the way, the headline says Whites may now be a minority in California.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lati nos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-Cal i fornia-in-5146876.php
Please try to be more sensitive to minorities.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:32 PM  

svanmeter: The term "Okie" is still considered offensive to many people in California (but is celebrated by others). I should think that FARK staff should be more careful about re-printing headlines that are considered offensive or insensitive. By the way, the headline says Whites may now be a minority in California.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lati nos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-Cal i fornia-in-5146876.php
Please try to be more sensitive to minorities.


Serious?

I've never lived in California, but I've been perfectly happy to call myself an Okie all my life.
 
2014-03-27 04:02:22 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: The Why Not Guy: Well, here's the silver lining. If there's an earthquake, relief organizations will ship in bottled water, which residents will need because fracking farked up their drinking water supply.

/pollyanna

you think Gasland is scientifically accurate don't you?

/that's precious.


You might want to check out

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/24/24greenwire-groundtruthing-a ca demy-award-nominee-gasland-33228.html

Large portions of Gasland are scientifically accurate, some portions are not. Suggesting that everything in the film is not, and usage of "precious", makes you an ignorant arsehole in my book though.

Keep on being smug that all your opinions are correct.


General Melchett: If nothing else works, then a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.

-Blackadder
 
2014-03-27 04:04:04 PM  

SansNeural: svanmeter: The term "Okie" is still considered offensive to many people in California (but is celebrated by others). I should think that FARK staff should be more careful about re-printing headlines that are considered offensive or insensitive. By the way, the headline says Whites may now be a minority in California.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lati nos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-Cal i fornia-in-5146876.php
Please try to be more sensitive to minorities.

Serious?

I've never lived in California, but I've been perfectly happy to call myself an Okie all my life.


One of my mom's first buddies when she moved to the US was originally from Oklahoma. She calls the Californians in her family the "prune pickers" and the Oklahomans "cotton pickers". She was an older lady (just died a couple years ago) and came out to Cali during the depression, so I'm sure it meant something back then. No clue what it means now.

BTW, could you please speak to your tornadoes? They seem to be lost. They were right near my house yesterday and did some damage to a couple houses a few miles away. One even ripped one guy's solar panels clean off his roof and everything. It was really scary. :'-(
 
2014-03-27 04:07:41 PM  
Here's a map of the wells in the Woodford Shale, most likely to be fracked in Oklahoma.
The little black skier marks on the maps are the recent swarm of earthquakes in Oklahoma, per the link upthread

If you can connect the swarm to the Woodford wells, you're not being honest.
Once you remove the areas just around the Woodford fracked wells from the equation, you're limited to explain how so many earthquakes happened.

That said, I know there are other zones that are fracked in Oklahoma. Such as the Mississippi Lime. I don't have a map as to where they are.
But the sheer volume of Woodford wells mostly likely considerably outnumbers the other recently fracked wells in the state.

This is NOT to say drilling and water well injection aren't the cause, because there's most likely some oil and gas activity near where the earthquake swarms are.
But most likely, it's not a fracking thing.  And water disposal from fracking is usually done within ten miles of the wells.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-27 04:11:27 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: SansNeural: svanmeter: The term "Okie" is still considered offensive to many people in California (but is celebrated by others). I should think that FARK staff should be more careful about re-printing headlines that are considered offensive or insensitive. By the way, the headline says Whites may now be a minority in California.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lati nos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-Cal i fornia-in-5146876.php
Please try to be more sensitive to minorities.

Serious?

I've never lived in California, but I've been perfectly happy to call myself an Okie all my life.

One of my mom's first buddies when she moved to the US was originally from Oklahoma. She calls the Californians in her family the "prune pickers" and the Oklahomans "cotton pickers". She was an older lady (just died a couple years ago) and came out to Cali during the depression, so I'm sure it meant something back then. No clue what it means now.

BTW, could you please speak to your tornadoes? They seem to be lost. They were right near my house yesterday and did some damage to a couple houses a few miles away. One even ripped one guy's solar panels clean off his roof and everything. It was really scary. :'-(


So *that's* where they've been.  I'll see what I can to - maybe disguise my storm shelter as a shed or something, see if they'll come home.
 
2014-03-27 04:12:04 PM  

SVenus: Here's a map of the wells in the Woodford Shale, most likely to be fracked in Oklahoma.
The little black skier marks on the maps are the recent swarm of earthquakes in Oklahoma, per the link upthread

If you can connect the swarm to the Woodford wells, you're not being honest.
Once you remove the areas just around the Woodford fracked wells from the equation, you're limited to explain how so many earthquakes happened.

That said, I know there are other zones that are fracked in Oklahoma. Such as the Mississippi Lime. I don't have a map as to where they are.
But the sheer volume of Woodford wells mostly likely considerably outnumbers the other recently fracked wells in the state.

This is NOT to say drilling and water well injection aren't the cause, because there's most likely some oil and gas activity near where the earthquake swarms are.
But most likely, it's not a fracking thing.  And water disposal from fracking is usually done within ten miles of the wells.

[i.imgur.com image 850x471]


NOW I'M TAKING EVERYTHING I SAID BACK. I WILL REPLACE THIS MAP WITH ONE OF THE MISSISSIPPI LIME TREND, WHICH DOES COINCIDE WITH THE EARTHQUAKES.

/if I'm eating my words, I'll use ketchup and Cholula
 
2014-03-27 04:13:19 PM  
This is another self correcting problem.

Tornado appears and Okies go into the under ground tornado shelter.

While there an earthquake occurs that collapses the shelter.

No more Okies, so no one to worry about the earthquakes any more.

Drill baby, DRILL!!
 
2014-03-27 04:16:57 PM  
if there are states I'm okay with losing..california and Oklahoma seem like a good place to start
 
2014-03-27 04:22:52 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.


As a person who can read the article, I find it fascinating you didn't read the part where it says other states don't allow wells near fractures at all in some cases and in many cases not in a surrounding area. And that Oklahoma doesn't do that and lets them just put a well anywhere they please. But then reading is hard.
 
2014-03-27 04:30:34 PM  
I blame meth.
 
2014-03-27 04:31:36 PM  
Here's a different oil zone, the Mississippi Lime that is fracked too.
Again, the little black skiers are the symbols for the recent earthquakes as reported by the Oklahoma folks.

There IS some coincidence. I'll let others decide how closely this works to the wells and the quakes.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-27 04:37:58 PM  
The Quakes of Wrath
 
2014-03-27 04:42:20 PM  

SansNeural: svanmeter: The term "Okie" is still considered offensive to many people in California (but is celebrated by others). I should think that FARK staff should be more careful about re-printing headlines that are considered offensive or insensitive. By the way, the headline says Whites may now be a minority in California.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lati nos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-Cal i fornia-in-5146876.php
Please try to be more sensitive to minorities.

Serious?

I've never lived in California, but I've been perfectly happy to call myself an Okie all my life.


Based on a few of his/her other posts, I think we can safely say no.
 
2014-03-27 04:56:54 PM  

SansNeural: svanmeter: The term "Okie" is still considered offensive to many people in California (but is celebrated by others). I should think that FARK staff should be more careful about re-printing headlines that are considered offensive or insensitive. By the way, the headline says Whites may now be a minority in California.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lati nos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-Cal i fornia-in-5146876.php
Please try to be more sensitive to minorities.

Serious?

I've never lived in California, but I've been perfectly happy to call myself an Okie all my life.


I'm a descendant of immigrants from Oklahoma. I've never had a problem with the term myself, but it began as a pejorative term here and some people still find it offensive.
 
2014-03-27 05:32:03 PM  

carlisimo: Corvus:Well at least those until those smaller ones put enough pressure on a fault line to cause a big one.
Earthquakes generally do the opposite - they're how fault lines relieve stress.

In this case the fault lines are very small; they're fractures used in hydraulic fracturing.  Injecting high pressure liquids into fractures makes them more likely to break, i.e. slide past each other, which is how faults create earthquakes.  But it's very unlikely that you'll get big ones out of it.


Right which then causes more pressure on other fault lines or down the same fault line. Where do you think that pressure goes? It move down the line and builds up.
 
2014-03-27 05:34:39 PM  

SumoJeb: If fracking was the sole culprit my town would be constantly shaking. 200km in all directions is saturated with fracking wells right now. I think some geologic features may be unsuitable for fracking since it can cause instability, but most areas fracking is fine.


You know things are not always a one to one relationship right?

Never mind I doubt you even understand what that means.
 
2014-03-27 05:37:35 PM  
A place where even squares can have a ball (they think).
 
2014-03-27 08:36:37 PM  
I'd be more worried about that line of quakes around where the 1811-1812 New Madrid series of quakes happened. The last times that sucker went bonkers was pretty epic.
 
2014-03-27 09:20:28 PM  
Thousands of dollars in improvements reported
 
2014-03-27 09:56:13 PM  
mimg.ugo.com

Subby, you don't know what you are talking about, ya dumb Oakie!
 
2014-03-27 10:00:42 PM  

SVenus: Here's a different oil zone, the Mississippi Lime that is fracked too.
Again, the little black skiers are the symbols for the recent earthquakes as reported by the Oklahoma folks.

There IS some coincidence. I'll let others decide how closely this works to the wells and the quakes.

[i.imgur.com image 850x537]


Thanks for putting these together -- interesting stuff!

And lovely bus pic. :)
 
2014-03-28 02:45:56 PM  

Daedalus27: Certainly fracking has a role to play in the increase, but how much requires additional data.


Rather than explain it here is a picture.  That is all the data needed.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
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